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Title: What the heck happened to Germany’s military?
Source: HotAir
URL Source: https://hotair.com/archives/2018/02 ... ck-happened-germanys-military/
Published: Feb 27, 2018
Author: Jazz Shaw
Post Date: 2018-02-27 18:24:25 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 14673
Comments: 114

One of the more controversial platform items in Donald Trump’s foreign policy stance on the campaign trail had been an insistence that our Europen allies start investing more in their own military forces and carrying a bit more of the defense load. One country in particular was called out on this and that was Germany. Many in the media scoffed at the idea and even termed it insulting to our German allies.

But how real was the need for improvement? Recently it’s been revealed that Germany’s military isn’t just behind the curve on investment and improvements. It’s practically dysfunctional. German Newspaper Die Welt reported on the dismal state of the Bundeswehr (the unified armed forces of Germany and their civil administration) last week and the numbers are staggering. (Translated from German – may be imprecise.)
Thus, the total stock of Leopard 2 main battle tanks is 244th In 2017, an average of 176 were available, the remainder was in the repair or was stored in depots. Of these 176 tanks, 105 were actually ready for use, which makes a quota of on average 60 percent – and yet nothing is said about the extent to which maintenance and spare parts supply are actually sustainable…

In the Panzerhaubitze 2000 it is already close again: In the inventory of the Bundeswehr, there is this artillery gun 121 times. But only 75 are available, 42 operational (56 percent).

Even more dramatic looks at the army aviators. The total stock of the NH90 transport helicopter is 58. In 2017, 37 of these were available on average, while only 13 were available (35 percent). Four of them are in action in Mali – which incidentally means that hardly any staff is available for training at home. Failure to withdraw the NH90 from Mali in the middle of the year will stall the ability for years to come.

So the Germans have 95 operable tanks at any given time and less than 200 working Armored Personnel Carriers. Their Air Force is in serious trouble. They have roughly forty operable fighter jets, a good portion of which are already committed to operations around Turkey and Syria.

And then there’s the Navy. Shall we talk about the German submarine force? It’s going to be a short discussion. Coming into this winter they had one (!) operable submarine. Sadly, that one grounded on the rocks a few months ago so their total fleet of subs currently stands at… zero.

How did things get to this point? A recent interview with the German Defense Minister included some choice quotes. One of them was the explanation that Germany hasn’t paid as much attention to the military because “we are surrounded by friends.” The alternate and somewhat more dismal explanation is, “because we just don’t care.”

Germany’s Parliamentary Armed Forces Commissioner, Hans-Peter Bartels, gave a blistering interview to DW this month, citing numerous shortcomings, and they go beyond a lack of heavy machinery. He said that the Army lacked sufficient protective vests, winter clothing and tents to be able to take part in a major NATO training mission. The soldiers are “under stress” and lacking discipline or leadership in too many cases because the German Army has 21,000 vacant officer posts.

So will that be changing? Hey… Germany has politics just like we do. Spending two percent of their GDP on the military is a big ask and will require a lot of votes. Don’t hold your breath. And in the meantime, if something serious flares up in that region you may be waiting a while for the German cavalry to arrive.


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All of the NATO forces have declined severely. Britain and Germany were two key allies who greatly shrunk their military. And America under 0bama neglected the military badly in fundamental ways. The military was hollowed out.

Trump was right to lower the boom on Germany's Merkel. Despite her backtalk, she's left the German military in a shambles.

America really has no western European allies to speak of.

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#8. To: Tooconservative (#0)

Peace. Long peace is what happened to Germany's military.

Militaries are expensive, and given nuclear arsenals, the Germans knew very well that its army is essentially superfluous as an actual fighting force. It's a way to channel and train young people and give them some civic attachment, but in the days of the Cold War, the Soviets weren't really coming - or if they did, it was the end of the world. And post-Cold-War Russia is much weaker than the USSR, and much less threatening.

The Germans face no real military threats, but they DO face budgetary threats to their economic prosperity.

So they have coldly and rationally decided to let their military wilt down to a token force, because they need the euros that would be spent on it for other meaningful things, and they know that the Germany army is just for show anyway. Nobody is going to invade Germany with an army. Who could? Only Russia, and that would end in a nuclear holocaust anyway, so why spend money, year after year, on a theatrical demonstration (which is all the German Army really is.

Given history, they don't deploy it anywhere (and don't WANT to - that's the key - if they HAVE it, they get pressured by their cost-conscious allies to use it, so they'd rather not have it at all.

Practical good sense is what happened to the German Army. They don't need it. There's no threat. So they go through the motions and spend as little as possible. The money they'd waste on useless armed forces they put, instead, into their economic and social development, and that bears profitable fruit for them.

That's what happened to the European armies in general. We have a world empire. They don't.

The main exception to this is France, which still has an empire, and an army and a navy and air force to deploy to guard it. The UK tries to do the same, but its navy is really shrunken.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-02-28   6:46:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Vicomte13 (#8)

The main exception to this is France, which still has an empire, and an army and a navy and air force to deploy to guard it.

And you were doing SOOOO good right up to then!

The Frogs are only capable of beating themselves,and chances are that would end up in a draw.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-02-28   14:59:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: sneakypete (#14) (Edited)

And you were doing SOOOO good right up to then!

The Frogs are only capable of beating themselves,and chances are that would end up in a draw.

Yes, yes, all sorts of prejudice against the French, blah, blah.

It's not based in present-day military fact. Truth is, the French have the most effective, deployable military forces in Europe, and they are routinely deployed all over the world. No other European power outside of Russia does anything like that. The UK does still have possessions here or there, but British forces don't, for example, keep the government's stable in half of Africa. The French do.

Old prejudices are fun, but objectively, France is, in fact, the most militarily capable and widely deployed European power, with Britain next. They're the only independent military force that deploys in any strength for their own missions also.

Other European countries, the "Coalition of the Willing", are still in Afghanistan alongside of the Americans. But the French - just them - are all over Africa, keeping the stability of their former colonies, keeping the oil flowing and the trade working. Places like Sudan, Zimbabwe, Uganda, Nigeria with its endless strife: these are former British colonies. The British are really gone. They do not have forces deployed all over Africa, and they don't have the forces TO deploy all over Africa. But the French are routinely deployed all over Africa, and have been since the 1960s. They have the forces to do it, and their forces are more experienced operationally, as a whole, than any other Western European country's precisely BECAUSE they always have operational forces in a few dozen countries.

The Soviets called the French "the Cubans of the West" for a reason, and those reasons have not changed: France is still holding her own empire in her orbit, and she's doing it by providing them something that is otherwise in short supply in Africa: peace and stability. French African states have poverty, but they do not lapse into civil war every ten years like the rest of it, because the French keep the peace. This is immensely valuable to the people of those countries. And it works out for the French because the French get the oil concessions and other raw materials, mining and agricultural contracts.

So sure, make fun of the French. They lost to the Germans in 1940. They lost in Vietnam. They left Algeria. Ha ha. Can't fight their way out of a paper bag. Hah hah.

Truth is, in terms of real world military footprint, the only European country besides Russia that really has one outside of the home soil now is France. And it's a substantial footprint.

France is the number four arms exporter in the world (after the Superpowers).

So, have fun with the stereotypes, but come away with some more knowledge.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-02-28   16:09:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Vicomte13 (#16) (Edited)

It's not based in present-day military fact. Truth is, the French have the most effective, deployable military forces in Europe,

Yeah,and they have a union that can vote to not deploy.

And correct me if I'm wrong,but aren't French soldiers given a written guarantee that they will never have to fight out of France if they don't volunteer? After all,that's why the FFL exists.

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#23. To: sneakypete (#22)

And correct me if I'm wrong,but aren't French soldiers given a written guarantee that they will never have to fight out of France if they don't volunteer? After all,that's why the FFL exists.

Ok. You're wrong.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-02-28 21:02:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: sneakypete, Vicomte13 (#22)

Yeah,and they have a union that can vote to not deploy.

Isn't that the Dutch? And maybe the Danes too? Or is that just a guarantee that they get to be at home on weekends? I recall a stir about that some years back, they were planning war games and someone thought their union would keep them home for the weekends.

There was a great deal of harumphing about at the Pentagon as I recall.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-02-28 21:08:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: sneakypete (#22) (Edited)

After all,that's why the FFL exists.

The French Foreign Legion?

It's still a well-known popular song in the EU. Little girls, 8-12, sing it in the Eurovision song contests and such.

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