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Title: Memo to The Kiddie Crusaders: Do You Actually Know Anything About Guns?
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Barb Wire
URL Source: https://barbwire.com/2018/02/23/mem ... s-actually-know-anything-guns/
Published: Feb 25, 2018
Author: Don Feder
Post Date: 2018-02-25 10:34:53 by IbJensen
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Views: 1337
Comments: 19
We get it: You’re mad as hell and you’re not going to take it anymore. Something must be done at once to keep you safe at school. It’s all Donald Trump’s fault. Led by the Pied Pipers of Soros (Oprah and Clooney) you’re going to march on Washington and demand… what? A ban on AR-15s? To A ban on the NRA? Before you go off half-cocked, do you actually know anything about guns? Of course, yours is a generation that believes in feelings instead of knowledge, slogans in place of logic. But, just out of curiosity, see if you can answer the following basic questions (no cheating with Google): 1. What does the Second Amendment say? (Anyone? Anyone?) The 2nd. Amendment to the Constitution guarantees freedom of gun ownership. It’s part of the Bill of Rights, one of the first 10 Amendments to the Constitution. James Madison, author of the Bill of Rights, considered it so important that he put it right after The First Amendment’s freedoms of speech and religion. Point of information for those ignorant of history: The American revolution was sparked by gun control – an attempt by the British to control the guns of New England farmers. 2. Does it refer to an individual or a collective right? The Amendment reads “A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” In District of Columbia v. Heller (2008), the Supreme Court ruled that the amendment refers to an individual right. 3. How many guns are in circulation in the United States? Just rough a number, please. More than 50 million? More than 100 million? Estimates vary, but it’s generally believed that there are over 300 million guns of all kinds in private hands in this country. In a 2017 Pew Research Survey, 42% of Americans said they lived in a household with guns. 4. What percentage are used in crimes each year? Less than .004% (or less than four homicides per 100,000 guns). At the same time, according to data compiled by the FBI in 2013, guns were used to defend life or thwart crime 67,740 times that year, roughly 6 times the number of gun homicides. In 2017, an armed civilian and former NRA instructor stopped the massacre at the First Baptist Church of Sutherland Spring, Texas, with an AR 15-style rifle (the type of gun the kids have targeted). 5. What’s the difference between an automatic and a semi-automatic rifle? An automatic – like a machinegun or M-16 – as the name implies, fires automatically while the trigger is depressed. (For all practical purposes, you can’t own one legally.) With a semi-automatic, like the AR-15 which was used in Parkland, the shooter has to keep pulling the trigger to fire off another round. To further muddy the waters, semi-automatics are often referred to as “military-style” or “assault weapons.” Both are terms coined by the media to make the weapon sound scary. Military-style? The US military hasn’t gone to war with a semi-automatic since 1917. 6. Which cities have the highest homicide rates? The four cities with the highest homicide rates per 100,000 residents are New Orleans (41.68 per 100,000), Detroit (43.82), Baltimore (55.37) and St. Louis (59.29) – all controlled by Democratic machines, all with restrictive gun laws. Compare the foregoing to Waco, Texas (16.74 homicides per 100,000), South Bend, Indiana (16.79), Indianapolis (17.12), and Miami (17.14), all with relatively easy access to firearms. 7. Who funds the NRA? Bete noire of the knee-jerks, the NRA is a membership-based organization, probably the largest in the country, with more than 9 million members. It does receive money from gun manufacturers for its other activities, but under federal law that can’t be used for campaign purposes. Politicians listen to the NRA not because of donations, but because the group represents millions of potential votes for or against a candidate. 8. When was it established – to the nearest century? The NRA was founded in 1871 (in New York City, of all places), almost 100 years before the gun control debate began in earnest, at a time when gun control meant a steady aim. Even today, fighting restrictive gun laws is a small part of the NRA’s operations. Nine presidents were NRA members, from Ulysses S. Grant to Donald Trump, and including JFK. 9. As gun ownership increased since 1970, did the homicide rate go up or down? Down – way down. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics (part of the DOJ), between 1993 and 2006, the rate of violent crime committed in this country (which includes robberies and assaults as well as homicides), fell 74%. But between 1993 and 2013, the number of privately owned guns soared from 185 million to 300 million. If guns cause crime, as Democrats contend, America should be awash in blood. 10. What role did the FBI play in the Marjorie Stone Douglas High School shootings? None – other than screwing up big time. The Bureau could have prevented the murders from happening, but did nothing. On January 5, almost 6 weeks before the attack, it was contacted by someone described as close to the shooter. The Bureau admits it received information about “Cruz’s gun ownership, desire to kill people, erratic behavior, and disturbing social media posts, as well as the potential of Cruz committing a school shooting.” The warning was described as “specific and credible.” All of the red flags were there. Protocol required that the tip be forwarded to its Miami field office for investigation. If that had happened, Cruz would have gotten a long-term lease on a padded cell and his 17 victims would be alive. Instead of following its own protocols, the FBI did nothing. In fairness to the Keystone Kops and Inspector Clouseaus, they were probably too busy bad-mouthing their president, chasing Russians and fornicating with each other to handle such a trivial matter. 11. Would any type of gun control have stopped the Parkland High School shooter? Short answer no. Long answer, again no. Nikolas Cruz was mentally ill (okay, he’s a sicko), who should have been committed. That he wasn’t is due to a failure of both law enforcement and the mental health profession. Still, he was never convicted of a crime (felony or misdemeanor) or committed to a mental institution prior to the shootings – which would have disqualified him from buying a gun legally. Several of his guns were illegal, which means if he couldn’t have obtained the AR-15 from a licensed dealer, he could have secured it in other ways 12. What is the real goal of gun control? Liberals love to carry on about America’s “gun culture.” Americans are assertive; Europeans are generally docile. If Europeans had a “gun culture,” perhaps they wouldn’t have had communism and fascism. Footnote: Monsters like Hitler and Stalin love a disarmed populace. I wish the kid crusaders would acquaint themselves with a least a few of these facts. But they prefer screaming their outrage at anti-gun rallies, and mouthing the most inane slogans, to a discussion grounded in reality. The children who are preparing to march on Washington were indoctrinated by their NEA-member teachers (products of schools of education) to believe that all social ills are the fault of Republicans, and gun crimes are due to lax laws encouraged by the NRA. Garbage in, garbage out. Poster Comment: The corrupted news media will not report on thwarted mass murders where the proposed victims were armed.
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#1. To: IbJensen (#0)
One student proposed that schools issue Kevlar vests to students. Arming teachers is too expensive, but a Kevlar vest for each student isn't? Setting aside the fact that a .223 round will go through a Kevlar vest like a hot knife through butter.
11. Would any type of gun control have stopped the Parkland High School shooter? Short answer no. Long answer, again no. Unknown, they're still under investigation for numerous false flag terrorist ops. Yes, and YES! A steady aim and an accurate shot could have stopped the massacre INSTANTLY. Unfortunately the only person on the scene equipped for this was a duly sworn Police Officer who "feared for his life", and thus did not even enter the school building. A good article exploring the usual gun myths. There was a kerfuffle over Lawrence Tribe's recent comments. Tribe was a Harvard law professor and was one of the few Left/liberal types who thinks the Second Amendment does apply to wideranging private gun ownership and he was seriously considered for the Supreme Court years back (until his views on the Second became known). So he put out a statement recently about the need to ban the "scary black guns". He claimed the AR-15 could fire bullets at over 2000mph and that it could fire over 10 rounds per second. The claim is interesting but he was savaged for it. CheckYourFact: FACT CHECK: Does An AR-15 Shoot 10 Bullets A Second? Harvard University’s Professor of Constitutional Law Laurence H. Tribe claims that the semi-automatic AR-15 can fire “over 10 rounds per second.” Verdict: False According to the Bushmaster AR-15 manual, the firearm has a maximum effective rate of 45 rounds per minute — a far cry from the number touted by Tribe. Competitive shooters can fire at a maximum of three shots per second. Fact Check: Tribe made the claim Saturday on Twitter amid the raging debate over gun control. Tribe, who appeared to express his disdain for the National Rifle Association, correctly assessed that the AR-15 is a “semi-automatic rifle,” adding that its bullets fly at over 2,000 miles per hour, which is somewhat confusing as bullet velocity is typically measured by feet per second. “It easily fires over 10 rounds PER SECOND,” stated Tribe confidently. “Its [sic] only purpose is to rip human beings apart and leave them dead. Nobody needs it for defense or for sport,” added Tribe. “It should be BANNED.” Many commenters were quick to point out that it was impossible to draw a trigger back 10 times a second, a claim that Tribe doubled down on and then attempted to immediately brush aside. “I researched it; didn’t draw the 10ps rate from thin air,” wrote Tribe. “But even at 4ps, the devastation is staggering. Don’t get hung up on the immaterial details.” Semi-automatic weapons are single-fire guns, meaning that unlike the AR-15’s military counterpart, the M-16, the trigger can’t be pulled down to fire a continuous stream of bullets emptying the magazine, or even a three-round burst. Tribe may have either drawn his numbers from thin air, or confused the weapon’s theoretical cycling rate for its effective firing rate. Either way, he’s wrong. But how wrong was he? Ordinary bullets in the AR-15 do actually routinely achieve speeds over 1700mph. Not special loads or pushing the platform's limits. Of course, he sounds like an idiot for trying to express bullet velocity in miles per hour. No one does that except uninformed libs with no knowledge of guns beyond what they found on Wiki. It's the 10 rounds per second claim that is really dicey. While there are mags that can provide 100 bullets, those are still considered "trick mags" and have never been used in a mass shooting or crime. The vast majority of mags are ~30 rounds. So firing even 300 bullets requires 10 changes of the 30-round magazines. If you are really fast at it, you can drop the old mag, and slap another one in, and charge the weapon in maybe 3-5 seconds. So that really changes the effective fire rate. And who has ever seen any shooter, however practiced, use an AR-15 to shoot 10 rounds per second for even the 3 seconds it would take to empty their 30-round mag? This is why the article points out that the Bushmaster AR-15 manual gives an effective fire rate of 45 rounds per minute. And that number is for someone with experience and some expertise, not your average mentally disorganized mass shooter. Expert match shooters can achieve 3-4 rounds per second with a semi-automatic but they are a small minority and none of them have ever staged a mass shooting.
Paddock used 100 round mags, so they're wrong. He said 10 rounds per second as the rate of fire. Had he said 600 rounds per minute, you might have an argument -- though you're really nitpicking. Officer: I clocked you doing 80 miles per hour.
There's a detail I didn't know. Paddock was probably the best prepared and most determined mass shooter we've ever seen. I'm not sure we can generalize from Paddock's case to all other mass shootings with any real insights. We can't ignore Paddock but we can't pretend he was an average mass shooter.
I think expert shooters can do 3-4 rounds per second and have to spend 3-4 seconds minimum to drop/replace/charge fresh mags. Your average shooter just isn't that good, especially under pressure like in a shooting situation, i.e. away from a safe gun range where you don't worry that someone will shoot back at you. I think you're nitpicking, not me.
Average mass shooter... supplied by the FBI/BATFE/DHS etc. Your tax dollars at work. And off you go into the CT wilderness, wondering why everyone thinks you're a crackpot.
She does (with a bump stock):
No. I'm saying the rifle is capable of a rate of fire of 600 rounds per minute. You're nitpicking because you're saying that would require 20 magazine changes, thus adding to the time. I say your argument is specious, given that you can get a Slide Fire Belt Fed Rifle (BFR):
Paddock is the only mass shooter to have used a bumpstock or trick trigger. We can't generalize from Paddock to all other mass shootings. Even with bumpstock, she's only firing 4-5 rounds per second in my estimation. And she'd have to reload a 30-rd mag in 6 seconds of continuous fire, forcing her to pause for at least 3 seconds to drop/reload/charge her weapon. She did not demonstrate her reloading rate in the video. So: piffle.
No mass shooter has used belt-fed weapons. But if you want to ban belt-fed weapon accessories along with bumpstocks and trick triggers, go ahead. No skin off my ass, bub.
I looked at the video timer and she dumped the AR-15 magazine in 3 seconds. Twice. Using my sophisticated HP calculator, that works out to 10 rounds per second. Which is what Tribe said.
But if he had, he would have achieved 600 rounds per minute -- with no nitpickery.
She fired in three bursts of 15-18 shots by my count. Between the second burst and the third, the video was interrupted, almost certainly to reload. Or have her boyfriend reload it for her. You'll have to do better than that.
So? If your aunt had balls, she'd be your uncle. Or a tranny.
She switched to an AK-47. Note the slower rate of fire.
Tribe said nothing about firing 300 rounds. He said, “It easily fires over 10 rounds per second.” With a bump stock, it does.
#2. To: IbJensen, MK ULTRA fbi, false flags, *Bang List* (#0)
10. What role did the FBI play in the Marjorie Stone Douglas High School shootings? None –
#3. To: IbJensen, GrandIsland, sneakypete (#0)
#4. To: Tooconservative (#3)
While there are mags that can provide 100 bullets, those are still considered "trick mags" and have never been used in a mass shooting or crime.
#5. To: Tooconservative (#3)
Tooconservative: Impossible. I've only been driving for ten minutes.
#6. To: hondo68 (#4)
Paddock used 100 round mags, so they're wrong.
#7. To: misterwhite (#5)
He said 10 rounds per second as the rate of fire. Had he said 600 rounds per minute, you might have an argument -- though you're really nitpicking.
#8. To: Tooconservative, Fast 'n Furious, fed gov supplies (#6)
we can't pretend he was an average mass shooter.
#9. To: hondo68 (#8)
Average mass shooter... supplied by the FBI/BATFE/DHS etc.
#10. To: Tooconservative (#3)
And who has ever seen any shooter, however practiced, use an AR-15 to shoot 10 rounds per second for even the 3 seconds it would take to empty their 30-round mag?
#11. To: Tooconservative (#7)
I think you're nitpicking, not me.
#12. To: misterwhite (#10)
She does (with a bump stock):
#13. To: misterwhite (#11)
I say your argument is specious, given that you can get a Slide Fire Belt Fed Rifle (BFR):
#14. To: Tooconservative (#12)
Even with bumpstock, she's only firing 4-5 rounds per second in my estimation.
#15. To: Tooconservative (#13)
No mass shooter has used belt-fed weapons.
#16. To: misterwhite (#14)
I looked at the video timer and she dumped the AR-15 magazine in 3 seconds. Twice.
#17. To: misterwhite (#15)
But if he had, he would have achieved 600 rounds per minute -- with no nitpickery.
#18. To: Tooconservative (#16)
Between the second burst and the third, the video was interrupted, almost certainly to reload.
#19. To: Tooconservative (#3)
So firing even 300 bullets requires 10 changes of the 30-round magazines.
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