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Title: Condoleezza Rice says US needs to consider Second Amendment's place in 'modern world'
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URL Source: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201 ... nts-place-in-modern-world.html
Published: Feb 25, 2018
Author: Amy Lieu
Post Date: 2018-02-25 07:27:02 by IbJensen
Keywords: None
Views: 10825
Comments: 144
This month's massacre in Parkland, Fla., seems like a key moment in the nation's ongoing debate about the Second Amendment, former U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said during a radio interview Friday. “I think it is time to have a conversation about what the right to bear arms means in the modern world,” Rice told radio host Hugh Hewitt on Friday. “I don’t understand why civilians need to have access to military weapons. We wouldn’t say you can go out and buy a tank.” More specifically, Rice said weapons like the AR-15 rifle that authorities say shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz, 19, used to kill 17 students and teachers Feb. 14, shouldn't be available to civilians, the Washington Times reported. NIKOLAS CRUZ CHARGED IN FLORIDA SCHOOL SHOOTING But Rice, who served under President George W. Bush, made clear that she remains a believer in the Second Amendment. “We can’t throw away the Second Amendment and keep the First,” she said, adding that she considers the first two amendments to the Constitution to be “indivisible.” “We can’t throw away the Second Amendment and keep the First.” - Condoleezza Rice, former U.S. secretary of state Hewitt then asked if Rice -- being an educator herself as a political science professor at Stanford University -- supports the idea of teachers carrying guns as a deterrent to potential campus shootings. Rice said she doesn’t think that is “going to be the answer,” the Washington Times reported. “I don’t really like the idea, frankly, of a gun in my classroom,” she said. Rather, she supports looking to law enforcement and guards as ways for protection. Rice, 63, was exposed to senseless violence at an early age, having grown up in Birmingham, Ala., where the bombing of the 16th Street Baptist Church in 1963 resulted in the deaths of four young girls. She has written and spoken frequently about the impression the horrific event made on her. She told Hewitt that despite her reservations about weapons in the classroom, the proposal merited a serious discussion. (Watch video at link) Poster Comment: “Modern world” Same modern world pissing away their freedom left and right? No thanks Bush Globalist Harpy. The Second Amendment is to provide protection against a hungry, immense, evil and bankrupt government!
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#104. To: Gatlin, Liberator, tpaine (#83)
There goes Parsons again - showing his disdain for those military, law enforcement and first responders who have taken an oath to the Constitution and refuse to obey unconstitutional edicts. Thank God for Patriots like the Oathkeepers who are willing to put their lives on the line and stand against tyranny. Oathkeepers: Orders we will not obey: 1. We will NOT obey any order to disarm the American people. That must be why Parson loathes them. ...all the other loud-mouth cowards The only loud mouthed coward here is you Parsons, submissively grovelling before the almighty State, happy to live on your knees as others are willing to fight back against a tyrannical rogue government. You just sit there and silently take your severe whippings. A sadist as well. Liberals are like Slinkys. They're good for nothing, but somehow they bring a smile to your face as you shove them down the stairs.
He's a goose-stepping Totalitarian Statist. Anti-Constitution. At least it's on record. No further use in engaging. " That has been quite clear to anyone paying attention !! And has been for quite some time !! Most here know how Tater / Parsons is, and what kind of person he is !! Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
100% BS. That it is. Always was. Always will be. Gilligan a Troll. You can't debate a Troll, a forum Vampire. They don't engage with honest or sincere intent.
He's just hit the BOZO-TROLL List. The ONLY one. Yes, he's that stupid, useless, and mentally unfit.
Look to fairly recent history for example. Look up " Battle of Athens Tennessee 1946 " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_%281946%29 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9tUQxsrQGw Quite interesting bit of history Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
Look to fairly recent history for example. Look up " Battle of Athens Tennessee 1946 " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_%281946%29 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9tUQxsrQGw Quite interesting bit of history " Pete, I had intended to ping you. Sorry for the oversight ! Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
1. We will NOT obey any order to disarm the American people. That must be why Parson loathes them. ...all the other loud-mouth cowards The only loud mouthed coward here is you Parsons, submissively grovelling before the almighty State, happy to live on your knees as others are willing to fight back against a tyrannical rogue government. OUCH. +100
A beloved story. But can you cite any other similar events. That's the problem with the argument, however much we all agree on the principles. It's far too easy to dismiss as a lone outlier in some corrupt inbred hillbilly town. And there are a lot of people who love this story who would nevertheless get upset if something like that happened in their own town.
EXCELLENT LINK! Watched the entire 10:00. Great flick (which would never see the light of day these days.) Making THE case for the 2A -- Battle of Athens Tennessee 1946
That's the problem with the argument... Uh, no. Your demand for subsequent examples of the 2A doing what it's supposed to is the problem with pro-Statists. Do you believe 'The Patriot Act' and it's UNREAD LEGISLATIVE ENACTMENT was justified or even had the consent of the governed? "A Beloved Story." NOT quite feeling the "love" from you.
No. I think one is enough. " there are a lot of people who love this story who would nevertheless get upset if something like that happened in their own town. " So, you think they should be happy if some thug took over a town ?? Bizare !!! Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
I am rather surprised at Tooconservative's attitude on this!
Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
At times he likes to play Devil's Advocate just to stir things up. But at times he does straddle The Fence.
No problem. It looks like you have the situation in hand by mentioning the battle of Athens,Tn. BTW,there was a movie made about that. A pretty good one,too. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
When you mention inbred and corrupt you should be talking about the big-city stench of places like NYC and LA" In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Yeah, I posted the link at # 110 Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
Some based-on-a-real-story flick, set in Texas. Not accurate. I would enjoy seeing an accurate movie or documentary about it but they've never made one.
I'd most likely be a rogue combatant... protecting just my own family and killing the parts of my family that endanger my agenda or are dead weight. ---- GrandIsland posted on 2018-02-25 My sanity is spot on.----- lol You should worry that some agency would question your mental health about your statements above.. Laughing out loud about killing parts of your family is "spot on" proof of your insanity...
NOT cool to broadcast that kind of mistake. Please consider deleting.
Stoner provided the link to the key part of the flick.
To intimidate voters, Mansfield brought in some 200 armed "deputies." GI poll-watchers were beaten almost at once. At about 3 p.m., Tom Gillespie, an African- American voter was told by a sheriff's deputy that he could not vote. Despite being beaten, Gillespie persisted. The enraged deputy shot him. The gunshot drew a crowd. Rumors spread that Gillespie had been shot in the back; he later recovered. Other deputies detained ex-GI poll-watchers in a polling place, as that made the ballot counting "public." A crowd gathered. Sheriff Mansfield told his deputies to disperse the crowd. When the two ex-GIs smashed a big window and escaped, the crowd surged forward. The deputies, with guns drawn, formed a tight half-circle around the front of the polling place. One deputy, "his gun raised high...shouted: 'If you sons of bitches cross this street I'll kill you!'" Mansfield took the ballot boxes to the jail for counting. The deputies seemed to fear immediate attack by the "people who had just liberated Europe and the South Pacific from two of the most powerful war machines in human history" Short of firearms and ammunition, the GIs scoured the county to find them. By borrowing keys to the National Guard and State Guard armories, they got three M1 Garand rifles, five .45 semi-automatic pistols and 24 British Enfield rifles. The armories were nearly empty after the war's end. By 8 p.m. a group of GIs and "local boys" headed for the jail but left the back door unguarded to give the jail's defenders an easy way out. Three GIs alerting passersby to danger were fired on from the jail. Two GIs were wounded. Other GIs returned fire. Firing subsided after 30 minutes; ammunition ran low and night had fallen. Thick brick walls shielded those inside the jail. Absent radios, the GIs' rifle fire was uncoordinated. "From the hillside fire rose and fell in disorganized cascades. More than anything else, people were simply shooting at the jail" Several who ventured into the street in front of the jail were wounded. One man inside the jail was badly hurt; he recovered. Most sheriff's deputies wanted to hunker down and await rescue. Governor McCord mobilized the State Guard, perhaps to scare the GIs into withdrawing. The State Guard never went to Athens. McCord may have feared that Guard units filled with ex-GIs might not fire on other ex-GIs. At about 2 a.m. on August 2, the GIs forced the issue. Men from Meigs County threw dynamite sticks and damaged the jail's porch. The panicked deputies surrendered. GIs quickly secured the building. Paul Cantrell faded into the night, having almost been shot by a GI who knew him, but whose .45 pistol had jammed. Mansfield's deputies were kept overnight in jail for their own safety. Calm soon returned. The GIs posted guards. The rifles borrowed from the armory were cleaned and returned before sunup. Interesting account from the poster of the YT video.
That is pretty funny. Probably less so for the corrupt deputies in the jail.
Nope, couldn't have been too funny for the filthy deputies knowing that they were under siege from a really PO'd mob.
The original sin by GI still exists in post #50.... libertysflame.com/cgi-bin...?ArtNum=54845&Disp=50#C50 tpaine can't edit the creep's comment. Please consider deleting. Post that to the idiot that put it up originally, and thinks it spot on..
I guess you have never heard of Lexington, Concord, Bunker Hill, Saratoga, Yorktown, Philadelphia, Boston, Battle of Blue Licks, etc, etc, etc Not exactly similar, but they did oppose King George ! Should count ! Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
Yeah, yeah. If you think people in this country want to have armed mobs shooting it out with each other, beating people, stealing ballot boxes, etc., well, you're nuts. Nobody wants that. This incident was more Hatfields vs. McCoys than anything resembling the political philosophy of the Founders. And the G.I. movement in that region collapsed, rather badly and in short order. Their biggest problem once elected: other G.I.'s that decided they didn't have to obey the laws. It was not a glorious triumph of the principles of the Republic.
Yes, we all know you are FOS ! Your opinion on this topic is worth a sack of shit !! Go up stairs and tell your mother she wants you. Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
It's laughable to think that people want their local elections run by lynch mobs with machine guns and Molotov cocktails and dynamiting the jail, the sheriff and his deputies. Of all the tens of thousands of county elections in the history of this country, you can cite only this lone example that is so outrageous. Call me names all you want or throw some other tantrum. It's still stupid.
“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― George Carlin
You all can chill about what's posted... keep your worries and weakness to yourselves. I'm not worried about posting a HYPOTHETICAL, that's factually the truth. During any war that I'm involved in, I'll kill who I have to to survive. If that seems "spot on crazy" to you, then fine. You paranoid silly fuckers make me laugh, often. lol I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
A beloved story. But can you cite any other similar events. That's the problem with the argument, however much we all agree on the principles. It's far too easy to dismiss as a lone outlier in some corrupt inbred hillbilly town. And there are a lot of people who love this story who would nevertheless get upset if something like that happened in their own town. Actually, that reminds me of an incident that happened in White Bear Lake, Minnesota, back in 1956/57,_while I was in the army. It's vague in my memory, but goes something like this: --- Our town 'tough guys' met on main street, downtown, with their motorcycles and hot rods, far too many summer nights. The town cops decided to get tough too, and started to give the boys (many were men of my age, 20/21) tickets, etc. --- harassment, to get them to move.. So they moved one night, when there was a dance? -- at the NG Armory, which was a only a couple blocks away. All the streets around the armory immediately were clogged, and the boys were in the armory, when the cops came to roust them. The 'boy's refused, and spent the night and next day barricaded in the armory (I guess they knew better than to raid the arms room).. The sheriff was called, and it was finally settled with an amnesty and the town cops guarantee to lighten up. Might even be archived in the St.Paul Press, or the Minneapolis rag... That's what I remember from letters I got in Munich..
lol It's mutual, you sick clown. ;-) I'd bet that most here don't believe you're a cop. -- To warped..
I personally don't care what you believe... as long as my NY pension is mailed to me every month. Working on half of a second pension FROM ANOTHER STATE... lol Believe what you want I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
I doubt you really act/live that way, -- having observed how to act on this site...
Interesting story tpaine . Glad it ended well. Does not sound like there was any need for the arms room.
Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
So they moved one night, when there was a dance? -- at the NG Armory, which was a only a couple blocks away. All the streets around the armory immediately were clogged, and the boys were in the armory, when the cops came to roust them. The 'boy's refused, and spent the night and next day barricaded in the armory (I guess they knew better than to raid the arms room).. The sheriff was called, and it was finally settled with an amnesty and the town cops guarantee to lighten up... Interesting story tpaine . Glad it ended well. Does not sound like there was any need for the arms room... My home town back in the 40's, 50's was a pretty rough place, for a Minnesota suburb.. Only about 10,000 people in the area, but there were 7 liquor bars and another 4/5 beer joints in a few mile radius. We had another incident right after the war, when the town vets straightened out the town cops, who had started to get overly officious about closing the bar's on time, and the rowdy parties.. My father bartended and managed one of the nicer bars in town and came home with stories about the cops vs the vets, young guys who were fed up with taking 'orders'...
Don't tell me,let me guess. You now live in Miami Beach or San Francisco,and wear your badge on your speedos? Do NOT post any photos. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Negative, Fudge-a-roo.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
You can't throw due process out, so capital punishment but prove the case
This non-partisan association of current and formerly serving military, police, and first responders have declared that they will not obey unconstitutional orders, such as orders to disarm the American people, to conduct warrantless searches, or to detain Americans as “enemy combatants” in violation of their ancient right to jury trial.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#105. To: Gatlin (#98)
I will continue to post for everyone else to see.
#106. To: Liberator, Deckard (#39)
" Great, legit questions...
#107. To: tpaine, Deckard, Stoner, Gilligan aka TROLL (#88)
Gatlins opinion claiming that: --- "saying the Second Amendment was written for the Americans to take up arms against our government is purely opinionated bullshit". --- is purely semantic word-play bullshit itself, --- seeing that everyone here is writing that the first explanatory line of the 2nd explains why the right shall not be infringed.
#108. To: Stoner, Deckard (#106)
Most here know how Tater / Parsons is, and what kind of person he is !!
#109. To: Liberator, Deckard, A K A Stone (#18)
" the Second Amendment exists precisely in the case that government "goes rogue" and becomes a dictatorship. "
#110. To: Sneakypete, All (#109)
" " the Second Amendment exists precisely in the case that government "goes rogue" and becomes a dictatorship. "
#111. To: Deckard, tpaine (#104)
Oathkeepers: Orders we will not obey:
#112. To: Stoner (#109)
Look up " Battle of Athens Tennessee 1946 "
#113. To: Stoner, Deckard, A K A Stone (#109)
#114. To: Tooconservative, Stoner (#112)
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But can you cite any other similar events.
#115. To: Tooconservative (#112)
" But can you cite any other similar events. "
#116. To: Liberator (#114)
#117. To: Stoner, Tooconservative (#116)
I am rather surprised at Tooconservative's attitude on this!
#118. To: Stoner (#110)
Pete, I had intended to ping you. Sorry for the oversight !
#119. To: Tooconservative (#112)
It's far too easy to dismiss as a lone outlier in some corrupt inbred hillbilly town.
#120. To: sneakypete (#118)
" BTW,there was a movie made about that. A pretty good one,too. "
#121. To: sneakypete (#118)
BTW,there was a movie made about that. A pretty good one,too.
#122. To: GrandIsland, Laughing out loud about killing parts of his family. (#101)
#123. To: tpaine (#122)
#124. To: sneakypete, Stoner (#118)
BTW,there was a movie made about that. A pretty good one,too.
#125. To: Stoner, sneakypete, Tooconservative (#109)
The primary election was held on August 1.
#126. To: Liberator (#125)
Absent radios, the GIs' rifle fire was uncoordinated. "From the hillside fire rose and fell in disorganized cascades. More than anything else, people were simply shooting at the jail"
#127. To: Tooconservative (#126)
#128. To: Liberator, tpaine, Fire Island psycho (#123)
(Edited)
Please consider deleting.
#129. To: Liberator, Y'ALL, grandisland (#123)
NOT cool to broadcast that kind of mistake.
#130. To: Tooconservative, Liberator, Deckard, sneakyPete, IbJensen, (#112)
" can you cite any other similar events "
#131. To: Stoner (#130)
Should count !
#132. To: Tooconservative (#131)
" Yeah, yeah "
#133. To: Stoner (#132)
#134. To: Tooconservative (#133)
#135. To: tpaine (#129)
#136. To: Tooconservative (#112)
Stoner (#109) --- Look up " Battle of Athens Tennessee 1946 "
#137. To: GrandIsland (#135)
You paranoid silly fuckers make me laugh, often.
#138. To: tpaine (#137)
#139. To: GrandIsland (#138)
Believe what you want
#140. To: tpaine (#136)
#141. To: Stoner (#140)
Our town 'tough guys' met on main street, downtown, with their motorcycles and hot rods, far too many summer nights. The town cops decided to get tough too, and started to give the boys (many were men of my age, 20/21) tickets, etc. --- harassment, to get them to move..
#142. To: GrandIsland (#138)
I personally don't care what you believe... as long as my NY pension is mailed to me every month. Working on half of a second pension FROM ANOTHER STATE... lol
#143. To: sneakypete (#142)
#144. To: IbJensen (#6)
Enforce the laws on the books and add only one other: In the case of murder with a gun the perp is to be executed within 24 hours and the hell with injections, hang the bastard.
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