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Title: In find of biblical proportions, seal of Prophet Isaiah said found in Jerusalem
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Times of Israel
URL Source: https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-fi ... het-isaiah-believed-unearthed/
Published: Feb 22, 2018
Author: Amanda Borschel-Dan
Post Date: 2018-02-23 13:41:00 by redleghunter
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Keywords: Bible, Isaiah
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Title:In find of biblical proportions, seal of Prophet Isaiah said found in Jerusalem By AMANDA BORSCHEL-DAN 22 February 2018, 7:00 am The hand of the Prophet Isaiah himself may have created an 8th century BCE seal impression discovered in First Temple remains near Jerusalem’s Temple Mount, according to Hebrew University archaeologist Dr. Eilat Mazar. “We appear to have discovered a seal impression, which may have belonged to the prophet Isaiah, in a scientific, archaeological excavation,” said Mazar this week in a press release announcing the breathtaking discovery. Mazar’s team uncovered the minuscule bulla, or seal impression, during renewed excavations at the Ophel, located at the foot of the southern wall of the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. The discovery was published on Wednesday in an article, “Is This the Prophet Isaiah’s Signature?” as part of a massive March-June issue of the Biblical Archaeology Review dedicated to its recently retired founding editor, Hershel Shanks. The clay impression is inscribed with letters and what appears to be a grazing doe, “a motif of blessing and protection found in Judah, particularly in Jerusalem,” according to the BAR article. Poster Comment: Of course like all discoveries this will be peer reviewed. However, this finding links Isaiah with the same Hezekiah of 2 Kings 18, Isaiah 36 and Isaiah 37.
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#1. To: All, *Bible Study Ping* (#0)
The time domain is circa ~ Babylonians leading the Hebrews to study and learning beyond herding goats.
This discovery -- if true -- is awesome. It would only help reinforce and confirm the record, which is already reaffirmed as you note.
Why are you stuck on this inconsequential claim of yours? Are you trying to discredit certain claims or events?
Can't help but notice the Muzzie blight on this holy Jewish site. Islam is trying to usurp every non-Islam site, place, church, and authority on the planet and claim ALL of it as well as "history" as theirs. It's disgusting.
Yup. Judaism rose after 1000 BCE and not before. Facts based on objective evidence clearly shows that the religious practice of the Hebrews was borrowed from other cultures. I have yet to show the Egyptian connection in approximate time frames either.
Islam is trying to usurp every non-Islam site, place, church, and authority on the planet and claim ALL of it as well as "history" as theirs. It's disgusting. Yes the Dome is quite prominent. Getting these finds are quite difficult when there are religious and political fault lines within 10s of meters.
What's the objective evidence?
Judaism rose after 1000 BCE and not before. Facts based on objective evidence clearly shows that the religious practice of the Hebrews was borrowed from other cultures. ALL cultures borrow from one another. THAT said, why not discredit your "sources" that claim the Jews hadn't learned to read/write? Are you aware of how many sources of "history" there are? And...you DO realize that even IF there was no official "Hebrew" language or writings at the time, the various tribes of "Jews" *would* still be fluent in the local language, right?
The absence of any objective evidence for the collectivist nation called "Hebrews" prior to 1000BCE. I have said this before, that I give great latitude about the time frame and as an opinion, the Hebrews were not existent prior to their capabilities to actually write, irrespective of medium prior to the Babylonians giving them a sense of culture beyond goat herding. Even then the Babylonians kicked them out as ignorant students.
Yes. That Dome is akin to a dog "marking" its territory. It's what they do, isn't it? Getting these finds are quite difficult when there are religious and political fault lines within 10s of meters. It is... Just imagine the finds located beneath the Devil's Dome. (How do you excavate a site where an archaeological dig could start a war?) It's insane. There is already historical mega-proof that Jerusalem is historically 100% Jewish. Any subsequent archaeological proof is just icing on the cake. Archaeology and history -- two of my favorite subjects. Especially when they as well as geology reinforce the truth about the planet's past
From what or whom are your sources of your "historical" context? I'd like to examine them as well.
You can not find any records of and about the Hebrews or the Jewish nation before 1000 BCE. Again I give great latitude about the time dating; as an opinion, it is much earlier, about the time of Nebuchadnezzar, the king of Babylon about 600 BCE.
Jerusalem was Jewish since King David conquest around 1000 BC until uprising in 70 AD. This was less than 1/3 time span of this very old city.
That Mooslum deathcult monstrosity needs a good JDAM'ing.
Isaiah lived in 800 BC, by any reasonable estimate by experts. That is, if they think he existed at all. I'd say most do. The archaeological record shows that the Jews have maintained their oral and written history extremely well. Only 50-100 years ago, it was routinely believed that almost every figure in the Bible, OT & NT, were entirely mythical persons. Archaeology has provided all kinds of proof as to the accuracy of many details found in Jewish recordkeeping and things like inscriptions on foundations, ancient tablets with legal or business records, all kinds of unexpected finds that confirm that history only makes sense if we accept that the Jews were pretty good at their oral history and their written records. So what is your argument anyway? Isaiah is not believed to have lived prior to 800 BC. Of course, this fragment is intriguing but we only have a pottery fragment of some kind. We have to learn if it really was a seal by Isaiah or some other impression made at the site, perhaps made to honor his memory or his influence. Even if it turns out to be a memorial of some kind, that still testifies to some ancient knowledge of Isaiah in a certain era of ancient Israel. It helps to create or to cement other timelines about the ancient era in Israel. Isaiah was an esteemed person of the era and in subsequent centuries, down to modern times. Isaiah is probably more often read than any of the ancient Greek philosophers, for instance. Perhaps more than all the Greek philosophers combined.
Of and about the time of the extraction of the Jews, marching into Babylonia.
It's awesome even if it's not true because it belonged to some important historical figure. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
And regardless of what you find,it is going to piss off somebody somewhere. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Yup. It's called evolution. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
The most likely it is going to piss off you, Mr crankypete ;)
Yet Moses was raised as a prince of Egypt. This is the very simple alphabet the early Hebrews dealt with and would be known prior to their bondage in Egypt as they sojourned in Canaanite lands. Which is a Phoenician variant: Paleo Hebrew Alphabet
Yes your history is correct. Before David conquered the citadel the Jebusites a Canaanite race lived there probably for hundreds of years as Abraham was greeted by Melchizedek who was from the Jebusite city. I believe Libertor was making the point Jerusalem has a long history of inhabiting Jerusalem which many skeptics and Muslims deny.
I'd like to examine them as well. If a jawbone of a sheep were found next to Isaiah's bones we would have all over the MSM the missing link was found. :-)
Where are there records in Egyptian history?
I am one of the most cheerful people you could ever hope to meet.I just don't suffer communists and other professional fools gracefully. Frankly,I think there should be a bounty on them. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Where are there records in Egyptian history? Destroyed during the 10 plagues. Is there extra-biblical evidence of the ten plagues in Egypt? If you are not convinced of this then maybe Hollywood has your answer:
As opposed to suggesting reasons for no records, the answer is "NO." Just so you know, many of the Biblical accounts of and about Egyptian faebles are not documented anywhere but within the Bible. You would think there would be collaborating evidence by a great culture but you have alluded to the reasons adding more faebles.
Collaborating evidence? Why would a shamed empire mention being destroyed by a bunch of slaves by their God? If you apply the same stringent standard to all of antiquity that means none of the history from the ancients is reliable. You nuke history. Ancient history is written by empires. They subdued other cultures. Was there a neutral history of Alexander? No. The history of Alexander is written by Greeks. However, due to the location of ancient Israel, we have the history of every major empire that conquered them. And the Hebrew history from the OT tells the story of the Hebrew people from the good, the bad and the ugly. It is a unique history as empires like Persia and Greece wrote only the glowing and glorious. As 1st AD historian Josephus noted in his Antiquities: For we have not an innumerable multitude of books among us, disagreeing from and contradicting one another, [as the Greeks have,] but only twenty-two books, which contain the records of all the past times; which are justly believed to be divine; and of them five belong to Moses, which contain his laws and the traditions of the origin of mankind till his death. This interval of time was little short of three thousand years; but as to the time from the death of Moses till the reign of Artaxerxes king of Persia, who reigned after Xerxes, the prophets, who were after Moses, wrote down what was done in their times in thirteen books. The remaining four books contain hymns to God, and precepts for the conduct of human life. It is true, our history hath been written since Artaxerxes very particularly, but hath not been esteemed of the like authority with the former by our forefathers, because there hath not been an exact succession of prophets since that time; and how firmly we have given credit to these books of our own nation is evident by what we do; for during so many ages as have already passed, no one has been so bold as either to add any thing to them, to take any thing from them, or to make any change in them; but it is become natural to all Jews immediately, and from their very birth, to esteem these books to contain Divine doctrines, and to persist in them, and, if occasion be willingly to die for them.
Ba Ba Ba Bucky is a heathen. Why waste your time? He's going to Paultard Hell. lol I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
You have "nuked history" by your own suggestion that faebles cremated the same; look up your own posts as reference.
Why is this idea so bad? It could be a REVOLUTION!
There was no MSM back then.
All I can say is, "thank the creator." Our ancestors had clay and papyrus to write their ideas down for posterity; and there is evidence of cultural inscriptions in caves; which goes back about ~600 BCE. It was never forever. All that crap is made-up baggage. Only the Bible hangs on the Hebrew faebles.
Prove it.
#2. To: redleghunter (#0)
#3. To: redleghunter (#0)
#4. To: buckeroo (#2)
The time domain is circa ~ Babylonians leading the Hebrews to study and learning beyond herding goats.
#5. To: redleghunter (#1)
#6. To: Liberator (#4)
Are you trying to discredit certain claims or events?
#7. To: Liberator (#5)
Can't help but notice the Muzzie blight on this holy Jewish site.
#8. To: buckeroo (#6)
Judaism rose after 1000 BCE and not before. Facts based on objective evidence clearly shows that the religious practice of the Hebrews was borrowed from other cultures.
#9. To: buckeroo (#6)
#10. To: redleghunter (#8)
(Edited)
#11. To: redleghunter (#7)
Yes the Dome is quite prominent.
#12. To: buckeroo (#10)
#13. To: Liberator (#12)
#14. To: Liberator (#11)
There is already historical mega-proof that Jerusalem is historically 100% Jewish.
#15. To: redleghunter (#0)
#16. To: buckeroo (#6)
Judaism rose after 1000 BCE and not before.
#17. To: Tooconservative (#16)
So what is your argument anyway? Isaiah is not believed to have lived prior to 800 BC.
#18. To: Liberator (#3)
This discovery -- if true -- is awesome.
#19. To: redleghunter (#7)
Getting these finds are quite difficult when there are religious and political fault lines within 10s of meters.
#20. To: Liberator (#9)
ALL cultures borrow from one another.
#21. To: sneakypete (#19)
And regardless of what you find,it is going to piss off somebody somewhere.
#22. To: buckeroo (#10)
(Edited)
The absence of any objective evidence for the collectivist nation called "Hebrews" prior to 1000BCE. I have said this before, that I give great latitude about the time frame and as an opinion, the Hebrews were not existent prior to their capabilities to actually write, irrespective of medium prior to the Babylonians giving them a sense of culture beyond goat herding. Even then the Babylonians kicked them out as ignorant students.
#23. To: A Pole, Liberator (#14)
There is already historical mega-proof that Jerusalem is historically 100% Jewish. Jerusalem was Jewish since King David conquest around 1000 BC until uprising in 70 AD. This was less than 1/3 time span of this very old city.
#24. To: Liberator (#12)
From what or whom are your sources of your "historical" context?
#25. To: redleghunter (#22)
Yet Moses was raised as a prince of Egypt.
#26. To: A Pole (#21)
The most likely it is going to piss off you, Mr crankypete ;)
#27. To: buckeroo (#25)
Yet Moses was raised as a prince of Egypt.
#28. To: redleghunter (#27)
Destroyed during the 10 plagues.
#29. To: buckeroo (#28)
As opposed to suggesting reasons for no records, the answer is "NO." Just so you know, many of the Biblical accounts of and about Egyptian faebles are not documented anywhere but within the Bible. You would think there would be collaborating evidence by a great culture but you have alluded to the reasons adding more faebles.
#30. To: redleghunter (#29)
#31. To: redleghunter (#29)
If you apply the same stringent standard to all of antiquity that means none of the history from the ancients is reliable. You nuke history.
#32. To: GrandIsland (#30)
Ba Ba Ba Bucky is a heathen. He's going to Paultard Hell.
#33. To: buckeroo (#31)
#34. To: redleghunter (#33)
There was no MSM back then.
#35. To: buckeroo (#34)
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