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Title: Misleading MSN Article: The AR-15 and America's love of military-style weapons
Source: MSN
URL Source: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/t ... tO0?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp
Published: Feb 23, 2018
Author: staff
Post Date: 2018-02-23 13:28:14 by buckeroo
Keywords: None
Views: 7696
Comments: 76

Time and again, America's worst mass shootings have featured a common thread: the killer's use of a military-style assault rifle that is inexpensive, easy to use and deadly efficient.

The type of weapon, commonly known as the AR-15, is once again under scrutiny with critics calling for a ban after last week's massacre at a Florida high school that left 17 people dead.

- Why are AR-15s so lethal? -

The AR-15 is a semi-automatic weapon, meaning a user can fire off multiple shots in quick succession. Its cousin, the M-16, is a fully automatic version that has been used by the US military since Vietnam. Fully automatic weapons are banned for civilians.

AR-15s fire high-velocity .223-caliber bullets that are accurate over long distances and cause expansive, devastating wounds to soft tissue and internal organs.

These bullets – which travel at triple the speed of a handgun round – are popular among hunters for hitting targets up to a quarter of a mile (400 meters) away.

Stephen Paddock, the killer in last October's mass shooting in Las Vegas, had amassed an arsenal of weapons including assault rifles. He fired more than 1,100 rounds from a hotel suite into a crowd of concertgoers more than 400 yards (meters) away.

The toll was 58 dead and more than 800 injured, making it the deadliest mass shooting in recent US history.

- Cheap and easy -

Buying an AR-15 is easy. Depending on the state of residence, a prospective owner can walk into a gun shop and, after presenting a valid ID, buy a rifle or shotgun provided they can pass a federal background check.

This process looks at a buyer's criminal history or whether he has ever been committed to a mental institution. But even this cursory check can be flouted in the case of private sales.

Nikolas Cruz, the man police say carried out last week's massacre at a Florida high school, had legally purchased the AR-15-type weapon used in the attack and had passed an FBI background check.

Aged just 18 at the time, the review didn't raise any red flags. In many states, one only needs to be 18 to buy an assault rifle – three years below the American age restriction on alcohol.

Many Americans can simply go online and order weapons for delivery. AR-15s vary in price but can be bought for as little as $500.

The National Rifle Association (NRA) touts them for recreational target practice, hunting and home defense, although experts question their value for the latter two uses.

Part of the reason for assault weapons' popularity in America is that they are widely customizable, with owners able to add scopes, large-capacity magazines and a plethora of other accessories.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives doesn't know how many assault weapons there are in America – they are prohibited by federal law from keeping a gun registry database.

According to the National Shooting Sports Foundation, the gun industry currently sells an estimated 1.3 million "modern sporting rifles and similar types of guns" each year.

Estimates vary, but there are thought to be as many guns as people in America, which has a population of more than 320 million.

Assault weapons were banned in 1994 under president Bill Clinton, but the restriction lapsed in 2004 amid pressure from the powerful NRA, and congressional efforts to renew the prohibition since then have failed.

- Bump stocks -

Vegas gunman Paddock increased the firing rate of the assault rifles he used with the addition of a "bump stock." Largely unheard of outside of America, these legal devices essentially turn a semi-automatic weapon into an automatic one.

The devices clip on to the back end of a rifle and harness the gun's recoil to bounce the weapon's trigger off the user's finger.

So, instead of a gunman having to squeeze the trigger repeatedly, the bump stock does the work for him, allowing him to empty a magazine in seconds.

President Donald Trump announced Tuesday he would support moves to ban the devices, and the NRA has said bump stocks "should be subject to additional regulations."


Did you notice the tone of the MSM - MSN Article was from "military-style weapons" to "Assault Weapons"; it is important as the MSM is seducing average Americans into a blind alley: all of these firearms are semi-automatic in nature; and they do not necessarily appear as "assault weapons."

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#1. To: buckeroo (#0)

I was considering whether I should finally buy an AR-15, an ammo stash and some accessories. I was thinking that I was being a little too much of a worrywart. Then I saw Ben Shapiro put out a video, saying that he was thinking the same thing and has been shopping for one himself. Shapiro's a smart guy, not extreme at all. So I'm reconsidering.

The Trump election has ruined the huge sales enjoyed by Big Gun during the 0bama years. 0dinga was the greatest gun salesman in American history. But I think we'll see an uptick in gun purchases as a direct result of all the gungrabbing talk going on now. It's not exactly prophetic since that is what has happened after so many other massacres and the resulting calls for gungrabbing.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-02-23   14:05:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Tooconservative (#1)

"I was considering whether I should finally buy an AR-15 ..."

Whenever anyone says "I'm thinking of getting a gun", expect others to weigh in without invitation.

AR-15's are nice if you're into customization. By that I mean turning a $700 rifle into a $2,000 rifle by replacing just about everything. You'll end up with a one-of-a-kind rifle with no history of reliability, durability or accuracy.

But it looks cool. For a 2nd generation rifle.

But if you want the latest and greatest 3rd generation assault rifle, you'd be looking at the civilian versions of the FN SCAR, H&K 416, SIG 556, CZ- 805 BREN, Beretta ARX 160, or the HS Produkt VHS assault rifle. These are modular, piston driven rifles with a military history. Little customization except for accessories.

I'm a leftie, so I chose the Beretta ARX-100 (civilian version of the ARX-160). I love it. Disassembly with no tools. Reliable. 6.8 pounds. Folding stock. Ambidextrous. Dual extractors. 1:7 twist, chrome-lined, 4150 steel, cold hammer forged barrel. 2 MOA accuracy (standard military).

misterwhite  posted on  2018-02-24   11:28:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: misterwhite, redleghunter (#23)

Whenever anyone says "I'm thinking of getting a gun", expect others to weigh in without invitation.

Actually, it was an invitation for others to comment.

But it's actually "getting another gun". I'm not unarmed now.

But if you want the latest and greatest 3rd generation assault rifle, you'd be looking at the civilian versions of the FN SCAR, H&K 416, SIG 556, CZ- 805 BREN, Beretta ARX 160, or the HS Produkt VHS assault rifle. These are modular, piston driven rifles with a military history. Little customization except for accessories.

This is some good advice. When I bought my Glock pistol, I weighed all the similar customization options available for the M1911 platform. Ultimately, I just preferred the size and feel of the Glock 23 over the .45's that I'd shot. I'm no weapons expert by any means but know some sharp shooting guys. You need to pick a gun that fits you, that you're comfortable shooting. I wanted a little more punch than a .38 but didn't think a .45 would make a real difference. And I don't think I know enough to really customize an AR-15 or M1911 to make a reliable gun that I would like. Maybe I just haven't had enough experience with a broad enough range of accessories.

Back in the day when an average kid could still work on a car without pricey electronic instruments, teens and young men built up their own hot rods. I think the M1911 and the AR-15 are a little like that. Guys that really want to study up, spending hundreds of hours at it, can probably configure a custom M1911/AR-15 to suit them exactly.

But I think there is a large market, a majority, that tend to stick to the bog-standard rifles or they limit customizing to sights/triggers/stocks/lasers. Normally, I would go toward one of the other (pricier, less famous) alternatives you mention, the same way I went to a Glock 23 instead of the M1911 platform or even a cheaper Taurus or other "off the shelf" handgun. But I do keep thinking that there are times when I wish I would have picked a wheel gun. I think revolvers are still best for people who aren't expert in guns. And I wonder if my mistake was in not buying a good revolver instead of debating with myself whether to go with a classic Glock pistol like the 23 or a M1911 handgun.

I'm a leftie, so I chose the Beretta ARX-100 (civilian version of the ARX-160). I love it. Disassembly with no tools. Reliable. 6.8 pounds. Folding stock. Ambidextrous. Dual extractors. 1:7 twist, chrome-lined, 4150 steel, cold hammer forged barrel. 2 MOA accuracy (standard military).

They seem a little pricey. I think their accommodation of lefty shooters raises their price a little even if the design seems pretty foolproof for both lefty and righty shooters. I otherwise liked what I read in the review at Guns & Ammo.

I need to start finding some prices so I can compare these better. Do you have any sites to recommend that have good average prices on what to expect to spend on one of these rifles in the era of Trump? G&A doesn't tell us much about average prices across the country or at least I didn't notice that.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-02-24   12:49:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#25. To: Tooconservative (#24) (Edited)

I need to start finding some prices so I can compare these better.

'Shotgun News' is your best bet for prices... It's geared for dealers selling to dealers, but most advertisers will sell to individuals if you go thru a ffl dealer... -- They even publish a list of cooperating local dealers...

tpaine  posted on  2018-02-24 13:07:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Tooconservative (#24)

They seem a little pricey.

Yeah, when compared to a standard AR-15. I see that the ARX-100 is currently priced at $1300 which is what I paid for mine a year ago. But these are piston rifles which average about $500 over a direct impingement rifle.

Places to go to give you a rough idea of pricing:

grabagun.com
gunbroker.com
budsgunshop.com
cabelas.com

I would suggest first researching for the rifle you want, then searching for the best price. There are a million variants of AR-15's including building your own from scratch.

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