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Title: Merchants of Death: America’s Toxic Cult of Violence Turns Deadly
Source: The Rutherford Institute
URL Source: https://rutherford.org/publications ... _cult_of_violence_turns_deadly
Published: Feb 19, 2018
Author: John Whitehead
Post Date: 2018-02-20 08:50:29 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 7185
Comments: 88

“Mass shootings have become routine in the United States and speak to a society that relies on violence to feed the coffers of the merchants of death. Given the profits made by arms manufacturers, the defense industry, gun dealers and the lobbyists who represent them in Congress, it comes as no surprise that the culture of violence cannot be abstracted from either the culture of business or the corruption of politics. Violence runs through US society like an electric current offering instant pleasure from all cultural sources, whether it be the nightly news or a television series that glorifies serial killers.”—Professor Henry A. Giroux

We are caught in a vicious cycle.

With alarming regularity, the nation is being subjected to a spate of violence that terrorizes the public, destabilizes the country’s fragile ecosystem, and gives the government greater justifications to crack down, lock down, and institute even more authoritarian policies for the so-called sake of national security without many objections from the citizenry.

Take the school shooting that took place at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., on Valentine’s Day: 17 people, students and teachers alike, were killed by Nikolas Cruz, a 19-year-old former student armed with a gas mask, smoke grenades, magazines of ammunition, and an AR-15-style semiautomatic rifle.

This shooting, which is being chalked up to mental illness by the 19-year-old assassin, came months after a series of mass shootings in late 2017, one at a church in Texas and the other at an outdoor country music concert in Las Vegas. In both the Texas and Las Vegas attacks, the shooters were dressed like a soldier or militarized police officer and armed with military-style weapons.

As usual following one of these shootings, there is a vocal outcry for enacting more strident gun control measures, more mental health checks, and heightened school security measures.

Also as usual, in the midst of the finger-pointing, no one is pointing a finger at the American police state or the war-drenched, violence-imbued, profit-driven military industrial complex, both of which have made violence America’s calling card.

Ask yourself: Why do these mass shootings keep happening? Who are these shooters modelling themselves after? Where are they finding the inspiration for their weaponry and tactics? Whose stance and techniques are they mirroring?

Mass shootings have taken place at churches, in nightclubs, on college campuses, on military bases, in elementary schools, in government offices, and at concerts. In almost every instance, you can connect the dots back to the military-industrial complex, which continues to dominate, dictate and shape almost every aspect of our lives.

We are a military culture engaged in continuous warfare.

We have been a nation at war for most of our existence.

We are a nation that makes a living from killing through defense contracts, weapons manufacturing and endless wars.

We are being fed a steady diet of violence through our entertainment, news and politics.

All of the military equipment featured in blockbuster movies is provided—at taxpayer expense—in exchange for carefully placed promotional spots.

Back when I was a boy growing up in the 1950s, almost every classic sci fi movie ended with the heroic American military saving the day, whether it was battle tanks in Invaders from Mars (1953) or military roadblocks in Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1956).

What I didn’t know then as a schoolboy was the extent to which the Pentagon was paying to be cast as America’s savior. By the time my own kids were growing up, it was Jerry Bruckheimer’s blockbuster film Top Guncreated with Pentagon assistance and equipment—that boosted civic pride in the military.

Now it’s my grandkids’ turn to be awed and overwhelmed by child-focused military propaganda in the X-Men movies. Same goes for The Avengers and Superman and the Transformers. (Don’t even get me started on the war propaganda churned out by the toymakers.)

Even reality TV shows have gotten in on the gig, with the Pentagon’s entertainment office influencing “American Idol,” “The X-Factor,” “Masterchef,” “Cupcake Wars,” numerous Oprah Winfrey shows, “Ice Road Truckers,” “Battlefield Priests,” “America’s Got Talent,” “Hawaii Five-O,” lots of BBC, History Channel and National Geographic documentaries, “War Dogs,” and “Big Kitchens.” And that’s just a sampling.

It’s estimated that U.S. military intelligence agencies (including the NSA) have influenced over 1,800 movies and TV shows.

And then there are the growing number of video games, a number of which are engineered by or created for the military, which have accustomed players to interactive war play through military simulations and first-person shooter scenarios.

This is how you acclimate a population to war.

This is how you cultivate loyalty to a war machine.

This is how, to borrow from the subtitle to the 1964 film Dr. Strangelove, you teach a nation to “stop worrying and love the bomb.”

As journalist David Sirota writes for Salon, “[C]ollusion between the military and Hollywood - including allowing Pentagon officials to line edit scripts - is once again on the rise, with new television programs and movies slated to celebrate the Navy SEALs….major Hollywood directors remain more than happy to ideologically slant their films in precisely the pro-war, pro-militarist direction that the Pentagon demands in exchange for taxpayer-subsidized access to military hardware.”

Why is the Pentagon (and the CIA and the government at large) so focused on using Hollywood as a propaganda machine?

To those who profit from war, it is—as Sirota recognizes—“a ‘product’ to be sold via pop culture products that sanitize war and, in the process, boost recruitment numbers….At a time when more and more Americans are questioning the fundamental tenets of militarism (i.e., budget-busting defense expenditures, never-ending wars/occupations, etc.), military officials are desperate to turn the public opinion tide back in a pro-militarist direction — and they know pop culture is the most effective tool to achieve that goal.”

The media, eager to score higher ratings, has been equally complicit in making (real) war more palatable to the public by packaging it as TV friendly.

This is what professor Roger Stahl refers to as the representation of a “clean war”: a war “without victims, without bodies, and without suffering”:

“‘Dehumanize destruction’ by extracting all human imagery from target areas … The language used to describe the clean war is as antiseptic as the pictures. Bombings are ‘air strikes.’ A future bombsite is a ‘target of opportunity.’ Unarmed areas are ‘soft targets.’ Civilians are ‘collateral damage.’ Destruction is always ‘surgical.’ By and large, the clean war wiped the humanity of civilians from the screen … Create conditions by which war appears short, abstract, sanitized and even aesthetically beautiful. Minimize any sense of death: of soldiers or civilians.”

This is how you sell war to a populace that may have grown weary of endless wars: sanitize the war coverage of anything graphic or discomfiting (present a clean war), gloss over the actual numbers of soldiers and civilians killed (human cost), cast the business of killing humans in a more abstract, palatable fashion (such as a hunt), demonize one’s opponents, and make the weapons of war a source of wonder and delight.

“This obsession with weapons of war has a name: technofetishism,” explains Stahl. “Weapons appear to take on a magical aura. They become centerpieces in a cult of worship.”

“Apart from gazing at the majesty of these bombs, we were also invited to step inside these high-tech machines and take them for a spin,” said Stahl. “Or if we have the means, we can purchase one of the military vehicles on the consumer market. Not only are we invited to fantasize about being in the driver’s seat, we are routinely invited to peer through the crosshairs too. These repeated modes of imaging war cultivate new modes of perception, new relationships to the tools of state violence. In other words, we become accustomed to ‘seeing’ through the machines of war.”

In order to sell war, you have to feed the public’s appetite for entertainment.

Not satisfied with peddling its war propaganda through Hollywood, reality TV shows and embedded journalists whose reports came across as glorified promotional ads for the military, the Pentagon turned to sports to further advance its agenda, “tying the symbols of sports with the symbols of war.”

The military has been firmly entrenched in the nation’s sports spectacles ever since, having co-opted football, basketball, even NASCAR.

This is how you sustain the nation’s appetite for war.

No wonder entertainment violence is the hottest selling ticket at the box office. As professor Henry Giroux points out, “Popular culture not only trades in violence as entertainment, but also it delivers violence to a society addicted to a pleasure principle steeped in graphic and extreme images of human suffering, mayhem and torture.”

No wonder the government continues to whet the nation’s appetite for violence and war through paid propaganda programs (seeded throughout sports entertainment, Hollywood blockbusters and video games)—what Stahl refers to as “militainment“—that glorify the military and serve as recruiting tools for America’s expanding military empire.

No wonder Americans from a very young age are being groomed to enlist as foot soldiers—even virtual ones—in America’s Army (coincidentally, that’s also the name of a first person shooter video game produced by the military). Explorer scouts, for example, are one of the most popular recruiting tools for the military and its civilian counterparts (law enforcement, Border Patrol, and the FBI).

Writing for The Atlantic, a former Explorer scout described the highlight of the program: monthly weekend maneuvers with the National Guard where scouts “got to fire live rounds from M16s, M60 machine guns, and M203 grenade launchers… we would have urban firefights (shooting blanks, of course) in Combat Town, a warren of concrete buildings designed for just that purpose. The exercise always devolved into a free-for-all, with all of us weekend warriors emptying clip after clip of blanks until we couldn’t see past the end of our rifles for all the smoke in the air.”

No wonder the United States is the number one consumer, exporter and perpetrator of violence and violent weapons in the world. Seriously, America spends more money on war than the combined military budgets of China, Russia, the United Kingdom, Japan, France, Saudi Arabia, India, Germany, Italy and Brazil. America polices the globe, with 800 military bases and troops stationed in 160 countries. Moreover, the war hawks have turned the American homeland into a quasi-battlefield with military gear, weapons and tactics. In turn, domestic police forces have become roving extensions of the military—a standing army.

So when you talk about the Florida shooting, keep in mind that you’re not dealing with a single shooter scenario. Rather, you’re dealing with a sophisticated, far-reaching war machine that has woven itself into the very fabric of this nation.

You want to stop the gun violence?

Stop the worship of violence that permeates our culture.

Stop glorifying the military industrial complex with flyovers and salutes during sports spectacles.

Stop acting as if there is anything patriotic about military exercises and occupations that bomb hospitals and schools.

Stop treating guns and war as entertainment fodder in movies, music, video games, toys, amusement parks, reality TV and more.

Stop distributing weapons of war to the local police and turning them into extensions of the military—weapons that have no business being anywhere but on a battlefield.

This breakdown—triggered by polarizing circus politics, media-fed mass hysteria, militarization and militainment (the selling of war and violence as entertainment), a sense of hopelessness and powerlessness in the face of growing corruption, the government’s alienation from its populace, and an economy that has much of the population struggling to get by—is manifesting itself in madness, mayhem and an utter disregard for the very principles and liberties that have kept us out of the clutches of totalitarianism for so long.

Stop falling for the military industrial complex’s psychological war games.

Niklas Cruz may have pulled the trigger that resulted in the mayhem in Parkland, Fla., but something else is driving the madness.

As Stahl concludes, “War has come to look very much like a video game. As viewers of the TV war, we are treated to endless flyovers. We are immersed in a general spirit of play. We are shown countless computer animations that contribute a sense of virtuality. We play alongside news anchors who watch on their monitors. We sit in front of the crosshairs directing missiles with a sense of interactivity. The destruction, if shown at all, seems unreal, distant. These repeated images foster habitual fantasies of crossing over.”

We’ve got to do more than react in a knee-jerk fashion.

Those who want safety at all costs will clamor for more gun control measures (if not at an outright ban on weapons for non-military, non-police personnel), widespread mental health screening of the general population and greater scrutiny of military veterans, more threat assessments and behavioral sensing warnings, more CCTV cameras with facial recognition capabilities, more “See Something, Say Something” programs aimed at turning Americans into snitches and spies, more metal detectors and whole-body imaging devices at soft targets, more roaming squads of militarized police empowered to do random bag searches, more fusion centers to centralize and disseminate information to law enforcement agencies, and more surveillance of what Americans say and do, where they go, what they buy and how they spend their time.

All of these measures play into the government’s hands.

As we have learned the hard way, the phantom promise of safety in exchange for restricted or regulated liberty is a false, misguided doctrine that has no basis in the truth.

What we need is a thoughtful, measured, apolitical response to these shootings and the violence that is plaguing our nation.

As I point out in my book Battlefield America: The War on the American People, the solution to most problems must start locally, in our homes, in our neighborhoods, and in our communities. We’ve got to de-militarize our police and lower the levels of violence here and abroad, whether it’s violence we export to other countries, violence we glorify in entertainment, or violence we revel in when it’s leveled at our so-called enemies, politically or otherwise.

Our prolonged exposure to the toxic culture of the American police state is deadly.

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#1. To: Deckard (#0)

If America is a toxic cult of violence, then why doesn't his list of solutions in include include arming the teachers? Wouldn't that fit right in?

misterwhite  posted on  2018-02-20   10:06:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: misterwhite (#1) (Edited)

If America is a toxic cult of violence, then why doesn't his list of solutions in include include arming the teachers?

I'd go along with that.

In addition, I would also allow certain students 18 or older who have demonstrated responsibility to have access to weapons in the event of a school shooting.

Maybe have a weapon in each classroom, locked in a desk and one designated student with access to the gun.

Radical? Perhaps - I'm just spit-ballin' here.

Maybe outside the box thinking is what's needed here.

Edit:

Just saw this.

Source: Washington Times

DENVER — Some students are calling for tougher gun-control laws after escaping last week’s horrific massacre in Parkland, Florida, but another school-shooting survivor is going in a different direction.

Colorado House Minority Leader Patrick Neville, who attended Columbine High School at the time of the 1999 mass shooting, has again introduced legislation to remove limitations on concealed carry in K-12 schools.

Under state law, concealed-carry permit holders may bring firearms onto school property, but must keep them locked inside their vehicles.

Mr. Neville, who has introduced the bill annually since he was elected in 2014, said the current law “creates a so-called gun free zone in every K-12 public school.”

“This act would allow every law-abiding citizens who holds a concealed carry permit, issued from their chief law-enforcement officer, the right to carry concealed in order to defend themselves and most importantly our children from the worst-case scenarios,” Mr. Neville said in a statement.

The Republican lawmaker has argued that more of his classmates would have survived the attack if some faculty had been armed. Twelve students and one teacher were killed by two teen gunmen at the high school in Littleton, Colorado.

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“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2018-02-20   10:20:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: misterwhite (#1) (Edited)

why doesn't his list of solutions in include include arming the teachers?

Funding.

Teachers are forced to reach into their own pockets to pay for about 80% of necessary classroom supplies........

Who will buy the guns?

Jameson  posted on  2018-02-20   10:34:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Jameson (#3)

Who will buy the guns?

You're right. The kids aren't worth the cost.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-02-20   10:40:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Jameson (#3)

Who will buy the guns?

The school district. There are several brands of street sweeper shotguns available, along with quick access safes. ---- One per classroom, and well trained teachers, would do the trick...

An added bonus, would be getting rid of teachers that couldn't handle that aspect of protecting their pupils.

tpaine  posted on  2018-02-20   10:52:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: misterwhite (#4)

You're right. The kids aren't worth the cost.

So you're willing to accept a tax increase?

Jameson  posted on  2018-02-20   10:57:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Jameson (#6)

So you're willing to accept a tax increase?

First, let's explore how many teachers are already licensed to carry concealed or would be interested in getting a CCW license on their own.

Second, the one- time funding could be part of the referendum to allow armed teachers in the school. Or, the community could organize a fundraiser.

The people are free to vote it down and accept responsibility for the next school shooting.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-02-20   11:08:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: misterwhite (#7)

So you're willing to accept a tax increase?

I'll take your response as a "no"

Jameson  posted on  2018-02-20   11:19:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Jameson (#8)

I'll take your response as a "no"

Correct. This is not an annual cost. It's a one-time fee for arms and training. That can be part of the referendum.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-02-20   11:50:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: misterwhite (#9)

This is not an annual cost.

Do you think the school's liability insurance expense would increase?

For Instance - City of Columbus has about 109 schools and about 4000 teachers....

4,000 guns w/ gun-safe and training for 4,000 ...... say $1,000 combined

That's $4 million

I couldn't find Liability Insurance cost.....I'll guess 10% of Administration cost - so about $5.6 million per year..

that expense would possibly double......

and the idea of forcing an employee (or a citizen) to engage in a gunfight at any given time seems fairly wrong from a "freedom" perspective....

and if you think the teachers' union is going to allow this with out some material increase in compensation, you're kidding yourself.

So...yeah a bake sale would probably do the trick.......

Jameson  posted on  2018-02-20   12:25:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Jameson (#10)

City of Columbus has about 109 schools and about 4000 teachers....

We don't need to arm 4,000. Say 10 per school and assume half of them are already CCW licensed. That leaves 500 volunteers who need training.

"I couldn't find Liability Insurance cost....."

Do schools have insurance protecting them from mass shooters? At Sandy Hook, the parents are suing the town, the school and the board of education for millions.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-02-20   12:42:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: misterwhite (#11)

Do schools have insurance protecting them from mass shooters?

How should I know?

But, it's self-evident that allowing the mentally unstable to walk around with AR-15's is a pretty pricey exercise, right?

Jameson  posted on  2018-02-20   12:47:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: misterwhite (#11)

Here's an idea......

perhaps all the "good guys" gun owners should organize and voluntarily take shifts patrolling all the schools daily.

You'd be willing to do that, right?

Jameson  posted on  2018-02-20   12:51:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Deckard (#0)

“Mass shootings have become routine in the United States and speak to a society that relies on violence to feed the coffers of the merchants of death.

No personal bias on display there,is there?

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-02-20   12:56:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Jameson (#13)

perhaps all the "good guys" gun owners should organize and voluntarily take shifts patrolling all the schools daily.

You'd be willing to do that, right?

If he did,you would be one of the first screaming for the police to arrest him because "Shiek! Shriek! Lawdy,Lawdy,he dun got a gun and he's at a school!" Shoot him!

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-02-20   12:58:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: sneakypete (#15)

you would be one of the first screaming for the police to arrest him

Of course not! That's ridiculous!

"If he did" - so would you volunteer?

Jameson  posted on  2018-02-20   13:02:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Jameson (#10) (Edited)

Who will buy the guns?

The school district, and the taxpayers.

There are several brands of short/light shotguns available, along with quick access safes. ---- One per classroom, and well trained teachers, would do the trick...

An added bonus, would be getting rid of teachers that couldn't handle that aspect of protecting their pupils. --- Many other gov employees are required to use firearms and are insured to do so at reasonable costs.

You're against the armed solution to the problem. --- Gun prohibitions will not work, so what will?

And your idea that all the "good guys" gun owners should organize and voluntarily take shifts patrolling all the schools daily is overkill. Armed teachers in every classroom would end this madness..

tpaine  posted on  2018-02-20   13:04:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: All (#16)

volunteer

I forgot to mention - this is only a nine-month per year commitment - you'd have summers off!

and I'd be willing to bet you could score some cafeteria food at lunch time! - You might even qualify for the school lunch program!

Jameson  posted on  2018-02-20   13:06:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: tpaine (#17)

Gun prohibitions will not work, so what will?

I don't know TP - but what we've been doing has been a totally fucked-up tragic failure.

As I suggested in another response - all the righteous gun owners could volunteer to patrol all the schools daily....

or maybe a tax on the guns or on the ammo....a really big tax - we're talking yuuge!

Jameson  posted on  2018-02-20   13:11:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Jameson (#18)

I'd be willing to bet you could score some cafeteria food at lunch time! - You might even qualify for the school lunch program!

No one is going to be enticed by school lunches, Obama Nuggets mystery meat!

Hondo68  posted on  2018-02-20   13:16:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: hondo68 (#20)

No one is going to be enticed by school lunches, Obama Nuggets mystery meat!

Pretty sure the schools still serve those rectangular (see geometry!) pizza slices...

Jameson  posted on  2018-02-20   13:18:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Jameson (#19)

Gun prohibitions will not work, so what will?

I don't know

or maybe a tax on the guns or on the ammo....a really big tax - we're talking yuuge!

Huge taxes are just another form of prohibition.

You don't know? Sadly correct, and typical of the prohibitionist mentality

tpaine  posted on  2018-02-20   13:19:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: tpaine (#22)

prohibitionist mentality

how smug of you!

Problem:

Mental defectives have guns that are used too frequently to muder a bunch of innocent people, including children. (and last week two cops in Westerville, OH)

Solution:

Throw a bunch of tax dollars (but don't tax me!!) at the problem and mandate MORE guns - especially in schools and casinos, and nightclubs, and sporting events, and churches!!!

won't fly

Here's your chance - form a volunteer militia and get out there and protect the masses!

Sounds like a fine idea

Jameson  posted on  2018-02-20   13:34:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Jameson (#12)

Do schools have insurance protecting them from mass shooters?
How should I know?

Then why are you demanding the schools take out insurance on the armed teachers?

misterwhite  posted on  2018-02-20   14:13:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Jameson (#13)

perhaps all the "good guys" gun owners should organize and voluntarily take shifts patrolling all the schools daily.

I have no intention nor desire to be such an obvious "first target" for a school shooter. An armed teacher is anonymous.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-02-20   14:15:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: misterwhite (#24)

Then why are you demanding the schools take out insurance on the armed teachers?

I've "demanded no such thing.

"Take out insurance"??? You're not thinking clearly.

Columbus City Schools, like every other school, and every other public establishment carries liability insurance, just like you do (or you should!)

If the school system armed every teacher, their liability insurance premium would indeed increase significantly (because - RISK!). Surely you understand this, right?

Jameson  posted on  2018-02-20   14:20:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: misterwhite (#25)

I have no intention nor desire to be such an obvious "first target" for a school shooter.

Of course not!!

But, you've got a gun! Remember - "Only Thing That Stops A Bad Guy With A Gun Is A Good Guy With A Gun"

- NRA

Jameson  posted on  2018-02-20   14:26:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Jameson (#27)

"Only Thing That Stops A Bad Guy With A Gun Is A Good Guy With A Gun"

What is wrong with that slogan?

buckeroo  posted on  2018-02-20   14:28:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: buckeroo, misterwhite (#28) (Edited)

What is wrong with that slogan?

I guess it doesn't apply if you're an obvious first target.....or if you can force someone else to be the "good guy"

Personally I think it's a swell slogan. I'm pretty sure the guy behind the counter at the gun store uses it to close sales all the time. $$$

Jameson  posted on  2018-02-20   14:34:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Jameson (#29)

I pretty sure the guy behind the counter at the gun store uses it to close sales all the time. $$$

When has any "guy behind the counter at the gun store uses it to close sales all the time" used that line based on personal experience BEYOND being "pretty sure?"

buckeroo  posted on  2018-02-20   14:39:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: buckeroo (#30)

When has any "guy behind the counter at the gun store uses it to close sales all the time" used that line based on personal experience BEYOND being "pretty sure?"

I said I was pretty sure, I didn't say I'd produce video evidence... but I'll work on that, ok?

Anyway, I'll make you a promise! If I get a job at the gun store.....I swear to god I'll say it on every sale!!!

Jameson  posted on  2018-02-20   14:43:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Jameson (#31)

Anyway, I'll make you a promise! If I get a job at the gun store.....I swear to god I'll say it on every sale!!!

But that isn't the point is it? Why are you using slogans that you obviously don't believe in AND making up stories at the gunshop that you don't even personally experience as objective evidence for your own statement?

Are you high?

buckeroo  posted on  2018-02-20   14:48:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: buckeroo (#32)

Why are you using slogans that you obviously don't believe in

Better grammar:

"Why are you using slogans in which you obviously don't believe?"

That whole "ending a sentence with a preposition" thing really annoys me.

Listen, as soon as I pay my bar tab, I'm going down the street to Vance's (a gun store) and apply for a job, ok?

I'll try to get some video of me closing sales - it'll be cool!!!!

Jameson  posted on  2018-02-20   14:58:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: buckeroo (#32)

Lighten up Buckerooo !

Jameson  posted on  2018-02-20   14:59:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Jameson (#33)

Listen, as soon as I pay my bar tab, I'm going down the street to Vance's (a gun store) and apply for a job, ok?

Don't forget to pay a tip to the bar tender.

As a recommendation, a better place for you to work is probably a local McDonald's flippin' burgers.

buckeroo  posted on  2018-02-20   15:40:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: buckeroo (#35)

a better place for you to work is probably a local McDonald's

Good advice - Thanks!

How much do you make there? You're the guy on the french fryer, right?

That's a cool job!

Actually I work for the Franklin County GOP

Jameson  posted on  2018-02-20   15:52:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: buckeroo (#35)

Don't forget to pay a tip to the bar tender.

Don't be a schmuck - I always tip at least 30% or $10 which ever is more.

and always a little extra if it's a holiday.

Jameson  posted on  2018-02-20   16:05:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Jameson (#36)

Actually I work for the Franklin County GOP

You are a vivid example of the symptom of the reasons why I no longer give a rat's ass about the GOP/DEM Party.

buckeroo  posted on  2018-02-20   16:17:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: buckeroo (#38)

I no longer give a rat's ass about the GOP/DEM Party.

Right!

So I'm really hoping to get that sweet gun-store gig, or even better - Micky-D's

Jameson  posted on  2018-02-20   16:21:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Jameson (#39)

... or even better - Micky-D's

That's exactly what we need. Your face shot flippin' bugers put up everywhere to show the strength you wield about firearm's safety and prevention of mass murders. Can you produce such a photo and display on the Internet for us?

buckeroo  posted on  2018-02-20   16:33:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Jameson (#23)

You don't know? Sadly correct, and typical of the prohibitionist mentality ---- tpaine

how smug of you!

Problem:

Mental defectives have guns that are used too frequently to murder ---

Solution?

When a mentality defective person decides to murder, the best defense is immediate action by those who are close by, and preferably armed.

We all have an inalienable right to life, to self defense, to carry arms, --- it is NOT smug to state this constitutional principle..

tpaine  posted on  2018-02-20   16:46:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Jameson, buckeroo (#39)

A guy with the Freedom Fries, won't get fooled again

Hondo68  posted on  2018-02-20   16:47:32 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Jameson (#10)

"Butler County, Ohio, Sheriff Richard K. Jones offered free concealed carry training for 50 teachers and 250 teachers responded within 24 hours."

misterwhite  posted on  2018-02-20   17:20:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Jameson (#16)

"If he did" - so would you volunteer?

If the mythical "he" did what,would I volunteer for what?

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-02-20   17:21:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: tpaine (#17)

There are several brands of short/light shotguns available, along with quick access safes. ---- One per classroom, and well trained teachers, would do the trick...

SHOTGUNS??????

What,the spray and pray" gangsta method of firing handguns doesn't spread enough lead around to suit you?

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-02-20   17:22:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Jameson (#19)

or maybe a tax on the guns or on the ammo....a really big tax - we're talking yuuge!

Well,using taxes to make them so expensive nobody but the government and rich lefties can afford to buy them IS a major part of the program to disarm America.

REALLY big taxes,so only people in gated communities or apartment building in big cites that have armed guards and controlled access can afford to buy a gun,or even get a permit to buy a gun,while the poor and working class people that live in poor and working class neighborhoods are unarmed because they can't afford to buy one.

Guess who ain't unarmed in those neighborhoods? The answer is the criminal that live there that are committing all the crimes.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-02-20   17:26:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Jameson (#29)

Personally I think it's a swell slogan.

Of course you do. You don't have enough common sense to be able to figure out how to pour piss out of a boot. The correct answer of course,is to just have a bunch of leftists marching up and down the hallway all day unarmed to reason with them. Explain to them how Katy Perry will hate them if they kill anyone,especially you. As for me,I am a believer in the old slogan "A polite word and a cocked 1911A1 will get you far in this world."

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-02-20   17:31:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Jameson (#36) (Edited)

Actually I work for the Franklin County GOP

Nice misdirection. Is there a US state that doesn't have a Franklin County?

Not that I'm trolling for your location. I was just amused.     : )

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-02-20   17:50:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: misterwhite (#43)

"Butler County, Ohio, Sheriff Richard K. Jones offered free concealed carry training for 50 teachers and 250 teachers responded within 24 hours."

Hey that's great!

Keep us posted on how this works out!

Jameson  posted on  2018-02-21   7:26:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Tooconservative (#48)

Nice misdirection.

Not really.

I live in Columbus.

Go Bucks!

Jameson  posted on  2018-02-21   7:27:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: sneakypete (#47)

I am a believer in the old slogan "A polite word and a cocked 1911A1 will get you far in this world."

That's a good one too!

Do you have that bumper sticker displayed on your truck?

Jameson  posted on  2018-02-21   7:28:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Jameson (#51)

Do you have that bumper sticker displayed on your truck?

Which truck,bubba?

The funny thing is you clearly see yourself as a superior voice of wisdom here,whipping the backwards rubes into shape with your alleged "mental superiority",and most of us recognize you for what you really are,an adult child with no life experience who had never done anything but suck up to authority.

The same is true for 95 percent of you lefties. You dream of nothing more than a masterful boot heel to lick. The other 5 percent furnish the boot heels.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-02-21   7:49:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: sneakypete (#52)

you clearly see yourself as a superior voice of wisdom here

Ha! funny!

Seriously, were you born without a sense of humor?

Lighten up, Francis.

Jameson  posted on  2018-02-21   7:52:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: buckeroo (#40)

Can you produce such a photo and display on the Internet for us?

Hey - I haven't gotten the job yet - the assistant manager told me I couldn't use a crayon to fill out the job application.....

Jameson  posted on  2018-02-21   8:02:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Jameson, Y'ALL (#51)

neakypete (#47)

I am a believer in the old slogan "A polite word and a cocked 1911A1 will get you far in this world."

That's a good one too!

Do you have that bumper sticker displayed on your truck? ---- Jameson

In the good old days, we trumped that by having our guns openly displayed on the rack in our trucks..

What in hell was wrong with that?

tpaine  posted on  2018-02-21   11:36:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: tpaine (#55)

In the good old days,

When were the "good old days"?

and why is it now unacceptable or unlawful to openly display one's weapons?

Jameson  posted on  2018-02-21   11:41:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Jameson (#56) (Edited)

When were the "good old days"?

and why is it now unacceptable or unlawful to openly display one's weapons?

The good old days were before States decided they could ignore the 2nd and write unconstitutional infringements about guns..

Really, if you're interested you should look it up on wiki, -- open display varies enormously by state and even local 'laws'....

To avoid harassment by authorities, it's smart to not have a gun rack or even a clever bumper sticker on your vehicle.. Sad but true...

tpaine  posted on  2018-02-21   11:57:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: tpaine (#57)

Really, if you're interested you should look it up on wiki,

I was interested in your opinion....

About the unconstitutional infringements - would it be safe to begin with the Gun Control Act of 1968

https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/gun-control-act

Even though that was indeed a federal law, it appears to be the modern beginning of "gun control"

Jameson  posted on  2018-02-21   12:14:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: tpaine (#57)

To avoid harassment by authorities, it's smart to not have a gun rack or even a clever bumper sticker on your vehicle..

No argument.

Personally I've never seen a "gun rack" in a truck - being a city-dweller that's not surprising...

What would be your gut-reaction to seeing a car occupied by 4 youths in an urban neighborhood with clearly visible firearms?

Jameson  posted on  2018-02-21   12:24:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Jameson (#54)

Hey - I haven't gotten the job yet - the assistant manager told me I couldn't use a crayon to fill out the job application.....

Did you ask him if you could submit the application electronically using your computer? You seem to be able to type OK.

buckeroo  posted on  2018-02-21   12:36:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Jameson, Y'ALL (#58)

Really, if you're interested you should look it up on wiki,

I was interested in your opinion....

About the unconstitutional infringements - would it be safe to begin with the Gun Control Act of 1968

https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/gun-control-act

Even though that was indeed a federal law, it appears to be the modern beginning of "gun control"

Really, if you're interested you should look up (open display) on wiki, -- I oppose all infringements on our rights, obviously...

And sure, the '68 act was the modern beginning, although the 1934 act was even worse..

The real problem started with the slave States insisting that they could ignore the bill of rights when they wrote law.. ---- Even after the civil war, and the 14th Amendment, all of our States still hold that opinion, especially about the 2nd.

The supremacy clause is clear, -- States can NOT write legislation that infringes on our individual inalienable rights..

tpaine  posted on  2018-02-21   12:40:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: buckeroo (#60)

Did you ask him if you could submit the application electronically using your computer? You seem to be able to type OK.

I actually got the feeling that he didn't want to hire me at all....

He said something about calling the cops...IDK....

Jameson  posted on  2018-02-21   12:50:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Jameson (#59)

What would be your gut-reaction to seeing a car occupied by 4 youths in an urban neighborhood with clearly visible firearms?

I lived across the SF bay from the black panthers back then, and had my shotgun in my truck rack, like a lot of us did.. -- We outgunned the panthers, so most of us did nothing..

Some of you socialists seized this as an opportunity to write 'law' about open display, which helped lead to the fact that California is now close to being a police state..

Happy yet?

tpaine  posted on  2018-02-21   12:53:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Jameson (#62)

So your career has hit a dead end as a burger flipper, stopped right @the_application process. What other useful skill can you offer to society?

buckeroo  posted on  2018-02-21   12:58:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: buckeroo (#64)

What other useful skill can you offer to society?

I can't sing or dance......so that's out

Jameson  posted on  2018-02-21   14:42:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: tpaine (#63)

"...your gut-reaction ..."

A rational person's gut-reaction would be fear, or at least apprehension.

That's not good for society or business.

So politicians do what the people want - and outlaw "open display"

right?

Jameson  posted on  2018-02-21   14:48:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: buckeroo (#64)

I goof on strangers on chat-boards - it's fun for me but doesn't pay the rent

Jameson  posted on  2018-02-21   14:49:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Jameson (#67)

What can I do to help you land a job to pay your rent? I want you succeed in life and it is obvious you understand your situation and are actively reaching out.

buckeroo  posted on  2018-02-21   14:55:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Jameson (#66)

So politicians do what the people want - and outlaw "open display"

right?

My gut reaction to guys openly czrrying guns? --- I lived across the SF bay from the black panthers back then, and had my shotgun in my truck rack, like a lot of us did.. -- We outgunned the panthers, so most of us did nothing, knowing they were just showing off.

Some of you socialists seized this as an opportunity to write 'law' about open display, which helped lead to the fact that California is now close to being a police state..

Happy yet?

Obviously you are happy,considering your remark above.. -- It's wrong for legislators and people to ignore our Constitution...

tpaine  posted on  2018-02-21   15:05:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: buckeroo (#68)

What can I do to help you land a job to pay your rent?

STEP 1

My next venture is going to be a line of branded apparel.

STEP 1

The logo reads: The Deep State is REAL! and shows a web address like:

www.thedeepstateisreal.org which is a click-bait site with affiliate links to all the standard whack-job websites that prey on the willfully ignorant and gullible.

I'll pay some teenager to attend the right wing events and sell the shirts, hats and stuff...those people eat this stuff up!!!

STEP 2 -?????

STEP 3 Profit

Jameson  posted on  2018-02-21   15:11:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Jameson (#70)

STEP 3 Profit

How can I get in on this venture? It appears you have a complete business plan ready for venture capitalists. I don't think I have ever seen such great spirit on LF before.

buckeroo  posted on  2018-02-21   15:15:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: tpaine (#69)

My gut reaction to guys openly carrying guns?

yeah, yeah you're John Wayne....

-- It's wrong for legislators and people to ignore our Constitution...

Our society is far different that it was 200 years ago. Times change and our approach to solving problems and keeping the peace must change too.

Likewise our society is far different now that it was in "the good old days" when you enjoyed the privilege of showing off your firepower from the rear window of your truck.

Our society will never return to those days. Like it or don't - more changes are at hand.

Jameson  posted on  2018-02-21   15:23:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: buckeroo (#71)

ok! Right! You're in!

Here's my website:

https://www.swearnet.com/

Jameson  posted on  2018-02-21   15:26:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Jameson (#73)

You good ol' boyz are wher's at!

buckeroo  posted on  2018-02-21   15:43:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: buckeroo (#74)

Freedom 35!

Jameson  posted on  2018-02-21   15:46:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Jameson (#75) (Edited)

Yeah, even 45 may fall to the wayside of the CIA.

buckeroo  posted on  2018-02-21   15:59:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Jameson, Y'ALL (#72)

-- It's wrong for legislators and people to ignore our Constitution...

Our society is far different that it was 200 years ago. Times change and our approach to solving problems and keeping the peace must change too.

Likewise our society is far different now that it was in "the good old days" when you enjoyed the privilege of showing off your firepower from the rear window of your truck.

Our society will never return to those days. Like it or don't - more changes are at hand.

Jameson

Sure, our society is far different that it was 200 years ago. And I'm all for constitutional changes. Socialists are ignoring the constitution, and that can not be allowed.

It's silly to claim it was a privilege to carry a shotgun in my truck. It's always been my right. Now that right has been infringed, and you're showing off your ignorance..

Our society WILL return to those days. Like it or not - socialism is failing..

Capitalism will win, under constitutional restraints....

tpaine  posted on  2018-02-21   18:26:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: tpaine (#77)

It's silly to claim it was a privilege to carry a shotgun in my truck

It sounds to me like it was a privilege to openly display your weapon.

Here's an idea - perhaps the NRA could be persuaded to fund the costs of "protecting" all the schools with the dollars that would have been spent buying politicians.....I mean lobbying.......

Jameson  posted on  2018-02-22   13:57:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Jameson (#78)

It's silly to claim it was a privilege to carry a shotgun in my truck. It's always been my right. Now that right has been infringed, and you're showing off your ignorance..

Jamie --- It sounds to me like it was a privilege to openly display your weapon.

Here's an idea - perhaps the NRA could be persuaded to fund the costs of "protecting" all the schools with the dollars that would have been spent buying politicians...

You have mighty poor hearing/comprehension by denying the facts about bearing arms openly or concealed, and how Californians socialists have infringed upon that right..

And the NRA has had a program on how they will fund the costs of protecting all the schools that ask..

Get some help with your education...

tpaine  posted on  2018-02-22   20:05:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Jameson (#78) (Edited)

Here's an idea - perhaps the NRA could be persuaded to fund the costs of "protecting" all the schools with the dollars that would have been spent buying politicians.....I mean lobbying.......

Here is an idea. All you liberals who vote for candidates that support abortion. Turn yourselves in for sentencing. Accessories to murder to first degree murder.

You already proved you don't give a shit about kids when you murder them.

You just want to disarm conservatives so you can murder them and steal their money.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-02-22   20:24:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: tpaine (#79)

And the NRA has had a program on how they will fund the costs of protecting all the schools that ask..

Bullshit.

If the gun lobby had any intention or ability to "protect" schools...they would have deployed in April of 1999.

Jameson  posted on  2018-02-23   7:28:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: A K A Stone (#80)

Here is an idea. All you liberals who vote for candidates that support abortion.

Strawman

Jameson  posted on  2018-02-23   7:29:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Jameson (#81)

And the NRA has had a program on how they will fund the costs of protecting all the schools that ask..

Bullshit. If the gun lobby had any intention or ability to "protect" schools...they would have deployed in April of 1999.

It's a fairly recent program.. Just heard about it meself..

But in any case, what traumatized poor little you in April '99? --- Diaper change?

tpaine  posted on  2018-02-23   11:35:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: tpaine (#83)

April '99?

Look it up dumb-ass

Jameson  posted on  2018-02-23   11:57:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Jameson (#84)

But in any case, what traumatized poor little you in April '99? --- Diaper change?

Look it up -----

You're confused, --- I'm not really interested in your mental problems -- my question was asked in the hope your reply would provide all of us with more off your humorous idiocy.

tpaine  posted on  2018-02-23   23:16:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: tpaine (#85)

I am sure you have read "Common Sense" by Thomas Paine. What is your understanding with respect towards a current world view?

buckeroo  posted on  2018-02-23   23:25:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: tpaine (#83) (Edited)

But in any case, what traumatized poor little you in April '99?

The snowflake has been traumatized about Columbine, since April of 99.

A few kids get dead, and the weak piece of shit turns into a sheep. Baaaaaaaaaa

Jameson is a safe space pussy

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-02-23   23:40:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: buckeroo (#86)

What is your understanding with respect towards a current world view?

I'm an optimist, -- I think capitalism is winning, and that (unless we manage to nuke ourselves) we're entering a so-called golden age.. 'Bread and Circus' for all will trump war and terrorism.

tpaine  posted on  2018-02-24   1:38:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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