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Title: Preachers Jailed for Talking About Christianity Without Getting Police Permission First
Source: Free Thought Project/Rutherford Institute
URL Source: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/pr ... tting-police-permission-first/
Published: Feb 17, 2018
Author: John Whitehead
Post Date: 2018-02-17 09:37:00 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 1856
Comments: 49

West Windsor, NJ — (Rutherford Institute) Two street preachers are targeted, confronted and eventually arrested by transit officers who insist that they stop talking about their Christian beliefs without getting the agency’s permission first, and the courts say that’s all right.

But the Rutherford Institute thinks otherwise, and that’s why it’s seeking a rehearing before the entire 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals in a First Amendment case involving preachers Don Karns and Robert Parker.

A panel of the appeals court previously ruled that the two transit officers, Kathleen Shanahan and Sandra McKeon Crowe, were justified in ordering the preachers to be quiet, grilling them over their activities, and then arresting and charging them – all because they were sharing their beliefs in a public location.

“This case sheds light on a disconcerting bureaucratic mindset that wants us to believe that the government has the power to both bestow rights on the citizenry and withdraw those rights when it becomes necessary, whether it’s the right to proselytize on a train platform, the right to address one’s representatives at a city council meeting, or the right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures,” said constitutional attorney John W. Whitehead, president of the Rutherford Institute.

“Yet those who founded this country believed that our rights are unalienable, meaning that no man or government can take them away from us. Thus, the problem in this case is not the absence of any specific law allowing free speech on the train platform. Rather, the problem is government officials who have forgotten that they work for us and their primary purpose is to safeguard our rights.”

Rutherford is seeking a rehearing in the case that erupted when Karns and Parker were preaching at a Princeton, New Jersey, train station.

They were charged with trespass and obstruction of justice but eventually cleared of the charges.

They then sued the New Jersey Transit Corp. and the officers over the demand that they “obtain a permit” to talk, non-commercially, with others at the public station.

The appeals court panel said the officers were immune from claims that they violated the preachers’ constitutional rights – under the First, Fourth and Fourteenth Amendments.

It was on June 26, 2012, when Karns and Parker began sharing their Christian beliefs with members of the public at the Princeton Junction Station of the NJTC.

“No notices were posted at the station prohibiting or restricting First Amendment activities,” Rutherford explained.

But they quickly were confronted by Shanahan and Crowe, who first demanded identification, then told them they could not speak without the agency’s permission.

When Karns and Parker asserted the train station was a public area, they were arrested.

After they were cleared of those counts, the Rutherford Institute filed a civil rights case against the officers for discriminating against them on the basis of the religious content of their speech.

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#8. To: Deckard (#0)

so much for freedom of speech and freedom of religion

paraclete  posted on  2018-02-17   17:20:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: paraclete (#8)

so much for freedom of speech and freedom of religion

Your freedom ends where others begins,and you have all the freedom of religion yuo want in your church.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-02-17   19:17:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: sneakypete (#10)

We have freedom of speech on the streets to. You don't constitutionally require a permit. If you don't like it snaek a Peter and you'll be happy again. If you are walking down the street I can stick a sign in your face that says you're going to hell. If you tried to stop me and touched me I would break both your legs. Then you'd really have a tough time moving around.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-02-17   19:38:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: A K A Stone (#12)

We have freedom of speech on the streets to. You don't constitutionally require a permit.

You do if you are preaching,and nobody has a right to harass anyone who tells them "Leave me alone".

sneakypete  posted on  2018-02-17   19:53:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: sneakypete (#14) (Edited)

You do if you are preaching,and nobody has a right to harass anyone who tells them "Leave me alone".

To not harm you of course.

But your faggot lovining snowflake ears don't have a right to not be offended. Snowflake Peter believes you have more free speech on the internet then you do on the streets.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-02-17   20:20:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: A K A Stone (#15)

To not harm you of course.

But your faggot lovining snowflake ears don't have a right to not be offended.

I can't wait to see what you have to say with "The Church of Homosexual Jesus" comes up to you on the street and shouts in your face stuff like "Jesus said to love your fellow man! If you do not have sex with other men you are going against GAWDS will!"

Or someone comes up ranting about how the age of consent for girls to have sex with men should be 8,Mary Magdalene was a whore so legalize prostitution,etc,etc,etc.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-02-18   5:46:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: sneakypete, A K A Stone (#17)

I can't wait to see what you have to say with "The Church of Homosexual Jesus" comes up to you on the street and shouts in your face stuff like "Jesus said to love your fellow man! If you do not have sex with other men you are going against GAWDS will!"

You mean you haven't noticed this ALREADY happening? Except that in your analogy, Man replaces "GAWD'S" will or "Jesus'".

Society is ALREADY being shouted at by people, orgs, and institutions who are indeed making the SAME demands on behalf of "The Church of Homosexual." Where you ask?

EVERYWHERE.

On TV. Movies. MANDATED at Public schools. College Campuses. The Social Media as well as MSM. Corporations. Even at so-called, "Christian Churches." ENFORCED BY GUBMINT INSTITUTIONS AND LAWS.

Ever hear of "HATE CRIMES"? Or "HATE SPEECH"? Sure you have. They are Special Protections and laws enacted EXCLUSIVELY for "The Church of Homosexual."

Liberator  posted on  2018-02-18   10:40:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Liberator (#20)

You mean you haven't noticed this ALREADY happening?

No. The only time I "talk" about religion,or even think about it,is when I am on a web site and some "true believer" thinks he's Moses declaring the 10 Commandments to be the Law of the Land.

Ever hear of "HATE CRIMES"? Or "HATE SPEECH"? Sure you have. They are Special Protections and laws enacted EXCLUSIVELY for "The Church of Homosexual."

I am no fan of that church,either. I'm a live and let live guy. I don't care what you want to believe,as long as you don't try to insist that I have to live according to your beliefs,or that your beliefs trumps the Bill of Rights.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-02-18   12:40:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: sneakypete (#24)

My beliefs Trump the bill of rights.

The Bible trumps the bill of rights in spades.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-02-18   12:45:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: A K A Stone (#25) (Edited)

The Bible trumps the bill of rights in spades.

Only on Planet KooKoo.

BTW,WHICH Bible? Or are you claiming they all trump the BoR's?

Good to see you come out of the closet and admit you are an anti-American that wants to establish a religious police state,though.

Maybe you could get some Muslim clerics to give you some tips on how to run it?

sneakypete  posted on  2018-02-18   12:58:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: sneakypete (#32)

Good to see you come out of the closet and admit you are an anti-American that wants to establish a religious police state,though.

Idiot the constitution's first amendment only recognized pre existing rights How can a pre existing right be trumped by a document who recognizes it?

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-02-18   13:22:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: A K A Stone (#39)

Idiot the constitution's first amendment only recognized pre existing rights How can a pre existing right be trumped by a document who recognizes it?

The Bill of Rights is just a "document" that recognized "pre existing rights"?

The BoR is a STATEMENT that NATURAL RIGHTS will be respected. Those are the rights all humans are said to be born with.

Pre existing rights will vary from one place to another,depending on local history.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-02-18   16:17:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: sneakypete, A K A Stone (#47)

Pre existing rights will vary from one place to another,depending on local history.

Most Christians believe that these rights don't pre-exist God. He created them too.

God came first,then your rights. Have you thanked him today?

Hondo68  posted on  2018-02-18   16:36:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: hondo68 (#48)

Most Christians believe that these rights don't pre-exist God. He created them too.

You are free to believe anything you want to believe.

God came first,then your rights. Have you thanked him today?

No,and for the same reason I never thanked the Santa,the Easter Bunny, or the Tooth Fairy.

Fictional creatures don't need thanks.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-02-18   21:39:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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