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Title: Preachers Jailed for Talking About Christianity Without Getting Police Permission First
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Free Thought Project/Rutherford Institute
URL Source: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/pr ... tting-police-permission-first/
Published: Feb 17, 2018
Author: John Whitehead
Post Date: 2018-02-17 09:37:00 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 1842
Comments: 49
West Windsor, NJ — (Rutherford Institute) Two street preachers are targeted, confronted and eventually arrested by transit officers who insist that they stop talking about their Christian beliefs without getting the agency’s permission first, and the courts say that’s all right. But the Rutherford Institute thinks otherwise, and that’s why it’s seeking a rehearing before the entire 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals in a First Amendment case involving preachers Don Karns and Robert Parker. A panel of the appeals court previously ruled that the two transit officers, Kathleen Shanahan and Sandra McKeon Crowe, were justified in ordering the preachers to be quiet, grilling them over their activities, and then arresting and charging them – all because they were sharing their beliefs in a public location. “This case sheds light on a disconcerting bureaucratic mindset that wants us to believe that the government has the power to both bestow rights on the citizenry and withdraw those rights when it becomes necessary, whether it’s the right to proselytize on a train platform, the right to address one’s representatives at a city council meeting, or the right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures,” said constitutional attorney John W. Whitehead, president of the Rutherford Institute. “Yet those who founded this country believed that our rights are unalienable, meaning that no man or government can take them away from us. Thus, the problem in this case is not the absence of any specific law allowing free speech on the train platform. Rather, the problem is government officials who have forgotten that they work for us and their primary purpose is to safeguard our rights.” Rutherford is seeking a rehearing in the case that erupted when Karns and Parker were preaching at a Princeton, New Jersey, train station. They were charged with trespass and obstruction of justice but eventually cleared of the charges. They then sued the New Jersey Transit Corp. and the officers over the demand that they “obtain a permit” to talk, non-commercially, with others at the public station. The appeals court panel said the officers were immune from claims that they violated the preachers’ constitutional rights – under the First, Fourth and Fourteenth Amendments. It was on June 26, 2012, when Karns and Parker began sharing their Christian beliefs with members of the public at the Princeton Junction Station of the NJTC. “No notices were posted at the station prohibiting or restricting First Amendment activities,” Rutherford explained. But they quickly were confronted by Shanahan and Crowe, who first demanded identification, then told them they could not speak without the agency’s permission. When Karns and Parker asserted the train station was a public area, they were arrested. After they were cleared of those counts, the Rutherford Institute filed a civil rights case against the officers for discriminating against them on the basis of the religious content of their speech.
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#8. To: Deckard (#0)
so much for freedom of speech and freedom of religion
Your freedom ends where others begins,and you have all the freedom of religion yuo want in your church.
We have freedom of speech on the streets to. You don't constitutionally require a permit. If you don't like it snaek a Peter and you'll be happy again. If you are walking down the street I can stick a sign in your face that says you're going to hell. If you tried to stop me and touched me I would break both your legs. Then you'd really have a tough time moving around.
Maybe pete thinks that Christians are only allowed to practice their First Amendment rights here:
You have the right to say anything you want to say to each other in a private conversation,in your cult center,on your Sunday tv scamathon,etc,etc,etc. People that don't want to hear it can easily avoid it. What you don't have is the right to get into anyone else's face about your superstitions as they walk down the street minding their own business.
What you don't have is the right to get into anyone else's face about your superstitions as they walk down the street minding their own business. You mean like the hysterical Liberals, Antifa, Homofascists, Mad-Pussyhatters and various other insane Church of Progressivism groups? Yeah, I agree. OTOH, Christians are NOT "screaming" at anyone. So why are you exaggerating??
Yes,they are no different than the Bible Thumpers shouting their insanity and demanding everybody fall in line and follow their beliefs. Same dance,different song. OTOH, Christians are NOT "screaming" at anyone. So why are you exaggerating?? HorseHillary! One of the biggest lies ever told. I even remember the airport out in Denver having to get a restraining order to keep a local fundie preacher and his flock of fools from harassing passenger going through the terminal,shouting hell fire and damnation,and telling people God wanted them to donate money. I've seen and heard similar crap my whole life,and so have you. You just happen to agree with it so you don't see it as harassment. I even had to chase a Born Again off a job site because the SOB just would NOT listen to reason when I told him to leave me alone because I didn't want to hear it. He didn't listen,so I went after him. I guess maybe you think he had a right to harass me because he was "doing the Lords work and trying to save my soul",right.
#29. To: sneakypete (#26)
I believe that would be mission impossible.
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#10. To: paraclete (#8)
so much for freedom of speech and freedom of religion
#12. To: sneakypete (#10)
#16. To: A K A Stone, sneakypete, hondo68 (#12)
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We have freedom of speech on the streets to. You don't constitutionally require a permit.
#18. To: Deckard (#16)
#21. To: sneakypete, Deckard (#18)
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People that don't want to hear it can easily avoid it.
#26. To: Liberator (#21)
You mean like the hysterical Liberals, Antifa, Homofascists, Mad-Pussyhatters and various other insane Church of Progressivism groups?
Replies to Comment # 26. I guess maybe you think he had a right to harass me because he was "doing the Lords work and trying to save my soul",right.
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