[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Mail]  [Sign-in]  [Setup]  [Help]  [Register] 

"Pete Hegseth Is Right for the DOD"

"Why Our Constitution Secures Liberty, Not Democracy"

Woodworking and Construction Hacks

"CNN: Reporters Were Crying and Hugging in the Hallways After Learning of Matt Gaetz's AG Nomination"

"NEW: Democrat Officials Move to Steal the Senate Race in Pennsylvania, Admit to Breaking the Law"

"Pete Hegseth Is a Disruptive Choice for Secretary of Defense. That’s a Good Thing"

Katie Britt will vote with the McConnell machine

Battle for Senate leader heats up — Hit pieces coming from Thune and Cornyn.

After Trump’s Victory, There Can Be No Unity Without A Reckoning

Vivek Ramaswamy, Dark-horse Secretary of State Candidate

Megyn Kelly has a message for Democrats. Wait for the ending.

Trump to choose Tom Homan as his “Border Czar”

"Trump Shows Demography Isn’t Destiny"

"Democrats Get a Wake-Up Call about How Unpopular Their Agenda Really Is"

Live Election Map with ticker shows every winner.

Megyn Kelly Joins Trump at His Final PA Rally of 2024 and Explains Why She's Supporting Him

South Carolina Lawmaker at Trump Rally Highlights Story of 3-Year-Old Maddie Hines, Killed by Illegal Alien

GOP Demands Biden, Harris Launch Probe into Twice-Deported Illegal Alien Accused of Killing Grayson Davis

Previously-Deported Illegal Charged With Killing Arkansas Children’s Hospital Nurse in Horror DUI Crash

New Data on Migrant Crime Rates Raises Eyebrows, Alarms

Thousands of 'potentially fraudulent voter registration applications' Uncovered, Stopped in Pennsylvania

Michigan Will Count Ballot of Chinese National Charged with Voting Illegally

"It Did Occur" - Kentucky County Clerk Confirms Voting Booth 'Glitch'' Shifted Trump Votes To Kamala

Legendary Astronaut Buzz Aldrin 'wholeheartedly' Endorses Donald Trump

Liberal Icon Naomi Wolf Endorses Trump: 'He's Being More Inclusive'

(Washed Up Has Been) Singer Joni Mitchell Screams 'F*** Trump' at Hollywood Bowl

"Analysis: The Final State of the Presidential Race"

He’ll, You Pieces of Garbage

The Future of Warfare -- No more martyrdom!

"Kamala’s Inane Talking Points"

"The Harris Campaign Is Testament to the Toxicity of Woke Politics"

Easy Drywall Patch

Israel Preparing NEW Iran Strike? Iran Vows “Unimaginable” Response | Watchman Newscast

In Logansport, Indiana, Kids are Being Pushed Out of Schools After Migrants Swelled County’s Population by 30%: "Everybody else is falling behind"

Exclusive — Bernie Moreno: We Spend $110,000 Per Illegal Migrant Per Year, More than Twice What ‘the Average American Makes’

Florida County: 41 of 45 People Arrested for Looting after Hurricanes Helene and Milton are Noncitizens

Presidential race: Is a Split Ticket the only Answer?

hurricanes and heat waves are Worse

'Backbone of Iran's missile industry' destroyed by IAF strikes on Islamic Republic

Joe Rogan Experience #2219 - Donald Trump

IDF raids Hezbollah Radwan Forces underground bases, discovers massive cache of weapons

Gallant: ‘After we strike in Iran,’ the world will understand all of our training

The Atlantic Hit Piece On Trump Is A Psy-Op To Justify Post-Election Violence If Harris Loses

Six Al Jazeera journalists are Hamas, PIJ terrorists

Judge Aileen Cannon, who tossed Trump's classified docs case, on list of proposed candidates for attorney general

Iran's Assassination Program in Europe: Europe Goes Back to Sleep

Susan Olsen says Brady Bunch revival was cancelled because she’s MAGA.

Foreign Invaders crisis cost $150B in 2023, forcing some areas to cut police and fire services: report

Israel kills head of Hezbollah Intelligence.

Tenn. AG reveals ICE released thousands of ‘murderers and rapists’ from detention centers into US streets


Status: Not Logged In; Sign In

politics and politicians
See other politics and politicians Articles

Title: House Freedom Caucus Is On the Warpath Again
Source: Bloomberg
URL Source: https://www.bloomberg.com/view/arti ... caucus-is-on-the-warpath-again
Published: Feb 15, 2018
Author: Jonathan Bernstein
Post Date: 2018-02-16 18:19:27 by Gatlin
Keywords: None
Views: 1354
Comments: 16

Members of the House Freedom Caucus are at it again. As the Huffington Post's Matt Fuller reports, this time they're more or less threatening a coup against Speaker Paul Ryan unless he sticks to their script on immigration: They want a vote on the restrictionist bill offered by Bob Goodlatte, and they certainly don't want votes on any compromise measure that might emerge from the Senate.

They're already upset with Ryan because of the recently passed agreement on spending for the remainder of the fiscal year, along with raising the debt limit and various other measures. The truth, however, is that the conservative radicals are the ones responsible for that bill. Democrats only have leverage to negotiate a fairly good deal because Ryan's Republican conference was split, with Ryan knowing he would never have the radicals' votes on anything that could even get a simple majority in the Senate. That meant Ryan would eventually need Democratic votes, which meant everyone knew from the start that some Democratic priorities would wind up being fulfilled despite the large Republican majority in the House.

What the Freedom Caucus gets out of it is the chance to win in the Real Conservative game ... at the cost of actual conservative policy preferences.

That dynamic may not be at work on immigration. Unless the bulk of the Republican conference considers protecting the Dreamers a must-pass, then the option is there to simply not do anything. If, however, either Republican congressional leaders or the president wind up blinking and extending DACA (or some equivalent), then once again the Freedom Caucus will have failed to extract concessions it could have won.

As for Ryan? It's not clear whether the Freedom Caucus would actually be able to depose him mid-session (it depends both on how some House procedures would play out and how various members of the House, including the Democrats, would act). What's more clear is that pressuring former speaker John Boehner into leaving hasn't actually yielded better policy results for the radicals, and it's very unlikely that ridding themselves of Ryan would, either.

That's not to say the radicals have never extracted policy wins. They get at least some of the credit (or blame) for the failure of comprehensive immigration reform during Barack Obama's presidency -- a compromise bill passed the Senate but was never brought up for a vote in the House. And there's certainly nothing unusual about a majority party using chamber procedure to block votes on popular measures it doesn't want to pass; both parties do that in the House when they have majorities. But the refusal to compromise that marks the Freedom Caucus radicals remains both unusual and very destructive.

Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread  


TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest

Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 4.

#1. To: All (#0)

House conservative rejects ‘any suggestion of a coup on the speakership’

Gatlin  posted on  2018-02-16   18:23:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Gatlin (#1)

House conservative rejects ‘any suggestion of a coup on the speakership’

So your article about FC on the warpath turns out to be a big ol' nothin'.

This is my total lack of surprise.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-02-17   1:22:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Tooconservative (#3)

House Freedom Caucus Is On the Warpath Again

House conservative rejects ‘any suggestion of a coup on the speakership’

So your article about FC on the warpath turns out to be a big ol' nothin'.

This is my total lack of surprise.

So you have determined after reading the second article that the first article is a “nothing” and you have a “total lack of surprise” since you let myside bias control your thought process.

Myside bias is also called confirmation bias or confirmatory bias. A person will display myside bias when they gather information selectively and prefer to interpret it is a biased way. The effect of myside bias is stronger for emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs. Myside bias is a variation of the more general nature of apophenia. Apophenia is the tendency to attribute meaning to perceptions between seemingly contradictory things.

I am greatly interested to learn how you determined the information is the second article is correct and the information in the first article is not. In light of the fact that, Meadows forcefully and emphatically said the looming immigration vote is a is a “defining moment” for Paul Ryan and “if he gets it wrong, it will have consequences for him.” It should be easy to see where this statement by Meadows can easily be interpreted as a coup threat.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-02-17   4:20:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


Replies to Comment # 4.

#5. To: Gatlin (#4) (Edited)

So you have determined after reading the second article that the first article is a “nothing” and you have a “total lack of surprise” since you let myside bias control your thought process.

The first article is based on reporting from Huffington Post, one of the most biased Left wing mouthpieces on the web. The first paragraph reads, "Members of the House Freedom Caucus are at it again. As the Huffington Post's Matt Fuller reports...". Naturally, they love to tease their readers with the joyous thought that the GOP House caucus will fall apart over this vote and that Ryan will be pushed out. Anything that looks like a GOP defeat or just looks bad will be a joyous occasion at HuffPo.

Apparently, you're some kind of HuffPo Republican.

And the confirmation bias you accuse me of is far more evident in your ongoing pattern of seminar posting at LF most any trashy article - like this one - that you consider damaging to the conservative Freedom Caucus.

Meadows forcefully and emphatically said the looming immigration vote is a is a “defining moment” for Paul Ryan and “if he gets it wrong, it will have consequences for him.”

These "consequences" could be many different things. Meadows in no way intimated or hinted that Ryan would lose his speakership now or in the future as a result of failing to pass a DACA or other immigration/amnesty bill.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-02-17 04:51:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Gatlin (#4)

God bless the freedom caucus. The people who stand in their way can go to hell.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-02-17 08:29:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


End Trace Mode for Comment # 4.

TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest

[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Mail]  [Sign-in]  [Setup]  [Help]  [Register] 

Please report web page problems, questions and comments to webmaster@libertysflame.com