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Title: House Freedom Caucus Is On the Warpath Again
Source: Bloomberg
URL Source: https://www.bloomberg.com/view/arti ... caucus-is-on-the-warpath-again
Published: Feb 15, 2018
Author: Jonathan Bernstein
Post Date: 2018-02-16 18:19:27 by Gatlin
Keywords: None
Views: 264
Comments: 16

Members of the House Freedom Caucus are at it again. As the Huffington Post's Matt Fuller reports, this time they're more or less threatening a coup against Speaker Paul Ryan unless he sticks to their script on immigration: They want a vote on the restrictionist bill offered by Bob Goodlatte, and they certainly don't want votes on any compromise measure that might emerge from the Senate.

They're already upset with Ryan because of the recently passed agreement on spending for the remainder of the fiscal year, along with raising the debt limit and various other measures. The truth, however, is that the conservative radicals are the ones responsible for that bill. Democrats only have leverage to negotiate a fairly good deal because Ryan's Republican conference was split, with Ryan knowing he would never have the radicals' votes on anything that could even get a simple majority in the Senate. That meant Ryan would eventually need Democratic votes, which meant everyone knew from the start that some Democratic priorities would wind up being fulfilled despite the large Republican majority in the House.

What the Freedom Caucus gets out of it is the chance to win in the Real Conservative game ... at the cost of actual conservative policy preferences.

That dynamic may not be at work on immigration. Unless the bulk of the Republican conference considers protecting the Dreamers a must-pass, then the option is there to simply not do anything. If, however, either Republican congressional leaders or the president wind up blinking and extending DACA (or some equivalent), then once again the Freedom Caucus will have failed to extract concessions it could have won.

As for Ryan? It's not clear whether the Freedom Caucus would actually be able to depose him mid-session (it depends both on how some House procedures would play out and how various members of the House, including the Democrats, would act). What's more clear is that pressuring former speaker John Boehner into leaving hasn't actually yielded better policy results for the radicals, and it's very unlikely that ridding themselves of Ryan would, either.

That's not to say the radicals have never extracted policy wins. They get at least some of the credit (or blame) for the failure of comprehensive immigration reform during Barack Obama's presidency -- a compromise bill passed the Senate but was never brought up for a vote in the House. And there's certainly nothing unusual about a majority party using chamber procedure to block votes on popular measures it doesn't want to pass; both parties do that in the House when they have majorities. But the refusal to compromise that marks the Freedom Caucus radicals remains both unusual and very destructive.

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#1. To: All (#0)

House conservative rejects ‘any suggestion of a coup on the speakership’

Gatlin  posted on  2018-02-16   18:23:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Gatlin, Republican Liberty Caucus, Speaker Walter Jones (#1)

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Caucus Membership:

Immigration Reform Caucus
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Pro-Life Caucus
House Military Depot and Industrial Facilities Caucus, Co-Chairman
Congressional Anti-Terrorism Caucus
Congressional Turkey Caucus
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Republican Liberty Caucus
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General Aviation Caucus
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Buy American Caucus
Motorcycle Safety Caucus
Sportsmen's Caucus
Congressional Military Mental Health Caucus
Congressional Veterans' Jobs Caucus
EOD Caucus
USO Caucus
Military Family Caucus
Disaster Relief Caucus
Congressional Watchdog Caucus
Kids' Safety Caucus

hondo68  posted on  2018-02-16   20:02:00 ET  (5 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Gatlin (#1)

House conservative rejects ‘any suggestion of a coup on the speakership’

So your article about FC on the warpath turns out to be a big ol' nothin'.

This is my total lack of surprise.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-02-17   1:22:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Tooconservative (#3)

House Freedom Caucus Is On the Warpath Again

House conservative rejects ‘any suggestion of a coup on the speakership’

So your article about FC on the warpath turns out to be a big ol' nothin'.

This is my total lack of surprise.

So you have determined after reading the second article that the first article is a “nothing” and you have a “total lack of surprise” since you let myside bias control your thought process.

Myside bias is also called confirmation bias or confirmatory bias. A person will display myside bias when they gather information selectively and prefer to interpret it is a biased way. The effect of myside bias is stronger for emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs. Myside bias is a variation of the more general nature of apophenia. Apophenia is the tendency to attribute meaning to perceptions between seemingly contradictory things.

I am greatly interested to learn how you determined the information is the second article is correct and the information in the first article is not. In light of the fact that, Meadows forcefully and emphatically said the looming immigration vote is a is a “defining moment” for Paul Ryan and “if he gets it wrong, it will have consequences for him.” It should be easy to see where this statement by Meadows can easily be interpreted as a coup threat.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-02-17   4:20:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Gatlin (#4) (Edited)

So you have determined after reading the second article that the first article is a “nothing” and you have a “total lack of surprise” since you let myside bias control your thought process.

The first article is based on reporting from Huffington Post, one of the most biased Left wing mouthpieces on the web. The first paragraph reads, "Members of the House Freedom Caucus are at it again. As the Huffington Post's Matt Fuller reports...". Naturally, they love to tease their readers with the joyous thought that the GOP House caucus will fall apart over this vote and that Ryan will be pushed out. Anything that looks like a GOP defeat or just looks bad will be a joyous occasion at HuffPo.

Apparently, you're some kind of HuffPo Republican.

And the confirmation bias you accuse me of is far more evident in your ongoing pattern of seminar posting at LF most any trashy article - like this one - that you consider damaging to the conservative Freedom Caucus.

Meadows forcefully and emphatically said the looming immigration vote is a is a “defining moment” for Paul Ryan and “if he gets it wrong, it will have consequences for him.”

These "consequences" could be many different things. Meadows in no way intimated or hinted that Ryan would lose his speakership now or in the future as a result of failing to pass a DACA or other immigration/amnesty bill.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-02-17   4:51:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Tooconservative (#5)

Apparently, you're some kind of HuffPo Republican.
No, I read and consider ALL sources.
The first article is based on reporting from Huffington Post, one of the most biased Left wing mouthpieces on the web.
Attempt to discredit the HuffPo as a messenger all you wish to. But, it was not only the Huffington post reporting the looming warpath battle and threats to Paul Ryan by the Freedom Caucus.

It was also:

  • Roll Call: “House Freedom Caucus leaders fired off fresh warning shots to Speaker Paul D. Ryan that there will be repercussions.”

  • The Hill: “Freedom Caucus chairman warns Ryan over immigration.”

  • And Town Hall: “Freedom Caucus Chairman Gives Ryan a Warning on Immigration.”
These are not “left wing mouthpieces.”

Gatlin  posted on  2018-02-17   5:31:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Gatlin (#6) (Edited)

Roll Call: “House Freedom Caucus leaders fired off fresh warning shots to Speaker Paul D. Ryan that there will be repercussions.”

The only mention of the speakership was: '“If he wants to remain speaker of the House, he needs to be very careful with that,” Idaho Rep. Raúl R. Labrador, a founding member of the House Freedom Caucus, said last week as Democrats tried to pressure Ryan into committing to a vote on a bipartisan immigration bill.'

The Hill: “Freedom Caucus chairman warns Ryan over immigration.”

I don't go there because both Firefox and Safari warn me that it is an unsecure site and won't even open it unless I do a security override. No thanks.

And Town Hall: “Freedom Caucus Chairman Gives Ryan a Warning on Immigration.”

Mark Meadows denied there would be any attempt to unseat Ryan now: '"I don’t think there’s really conversations right now that would involve a new Speaker. But there are certainly conversations that would involve new leadership," he added.'

Nice work there, avoiding including the links to those sites. You know that 90% of the readers won't bother to do a search to find the site to check your slanted take on these articles. If you want to cite a website, include a link, unless you want to deliberately make it harder for others to check your allegations. And both Roll Call and The Hill are well-known liberal sources, have been for decades. There's no doubt that 90% of their writers vote Dem.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-02-17   5:45:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Tooconservative (#7) (Edited)

Of course Meadows, speaking for the Freedom Caucus, is going to say in public that the Freedom Caucus in not on the “warpath” and there is no threat of a “coup.”

But then no one really knows “what goes on behind closed doors.”

Do they ...

Gatlin  posted on  2018-02-17   5:52:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Gatlin (#6) (Edited)

This part separately:

Mark Meadows denied there would be any attempt to unseat Ryan now: '"I don’t think there’s really conversations right now that would involve a new Speaker. But there are certainly conversations that would involve new leadership," he added.'

Meadows is saying "new leadership" and denying "new Speaker". That means there is discussion of replacing either Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) as majority leader or Steve Scalise (R-LA) as whip. As we know, Scalise is not 100% since his shooting and has had many surgeries and will likely have more. The deputy House GOP whip who has been filling in somewhat for Scalise is Patrick Henry(R-NC). A Rove operative, a Bush administration Republican, very much a Reagan Republican at heart. I doubt that he is the one the Freedom Caucus wants to replace. Nor do I recall hearing any complaints about Scalise as whip from the Freedom Caucus previously.

I think their ire is with Kevin McCarthy. And Ryan's best job insurance is that McCarthy as current majority leader is Ryan's most likely replacement as either a Speaker or as a minority leader if the 2018 election loses the House GOP majority. The Freedom Caucus does not want McCarthy as Speaker.

There are always intra-party skirmishes behind closed doors at the House GOP caucus or the House Dem caucus. Pelosi's leadership is being constantly criticized and questioned, sometimes openly in the press.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-02-17   6:01:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Tooconservative (#9)

There are always intra-party skirmishes behind closed doors ...

And no one really knows “what goes on behind those closed doors.”

Therefore, we will have no way of knowing what the Freedom Caucus is plotting to do....until they actually do it.

Will we...

Gatlin  posted on  2018-02-17   6:13:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Gatlin (#10)

Therefore, we will have no way of knowing what the Freedom Caucus is plotting to do....until they actually do it.

Here's a shocking secret for you: there are 535 known political schemers and plotters on Capitol Hill. They're called the Congress.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-02-17   6:16:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Gatlin (#4)

God bless the freedom caucus. The people who stand in their way can go to hell.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-02-17   8:29:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: A K A Stone (#12) (Edited)

Gatlin  posted on  2018-02-17   8:50:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: A K A Stone (#12) (Edited)

Sorry about that, I wasn’t being rude and ignoring you. I got called away before I could finish my response to your most courteous and warningly heartfelt post. I must use domestic help since I am a caregiver and the hire company sent in a new team for today. They needed my supervision and then I got busy with other things.

Let’s see now....you were saying....oh yea:

God bless the freedom caucus.
Yes, God should bless each member of the Freedom Caucus when they are individually doing Yeoman's work. But unfortunately, they don’t do individual work. They have banded together as a clique whose membership is by invitation only and meetings are not public. They have pledged to all vote as a group when necessary....and the folks back home can “go fuck themselves” if their wishes conflict with the directions isssued to the Freedom Caucus.

While the Freedom Caucus represents less than a sixth of the members of the House Pubs, they act as a block when decisions are agreed to by at least 80% of the caucus and those decisions are binding, regardless how it may effect the House Members constituents back home. This small group yields so much power even though Pubs and the Dems hold a majority of the seats voting as a block, the effective strength of the Pubs falls below that of the Dems. What most distinguishes the Freedom Caucus from other House Pubs has been their willingness to defy the wishes of President Trump. This obstructiveness caused Representative Reid Ribble to quit the group. It is said of the Freedom Caucus: "They can’t tell you what they’re for. They can tell you everything they’re against. They’re anarchists. They want total chaos.” They are not powerful enough to get anything done, but they definitely are powerful enough to stop things from getting done.

The people who stand in their [the Freedom Caucus] way can go to hell.

I proudly stand for many reasons with Donald Trump as he stands in the way of the Freedom Caucus. Only one of those reasons, an important one was when: Trump tweets: Freedom Caucus no vote helps 'Planned Parenthood.'

Donald Trump said the “pro-life” Freedom Caucus would be helping Planned Parenthood if they vote no on AHCA. Donald Trump asked the Freedom Caucus to support the House GOP’s ObamaCare repeal plan, specifically warning them that they would be supporting Planned Parenthood if they opposed his bill.

“The irony is that the Freedom Caucus, which is very pro-life and against Planned Parenthood, allows P.P. to continue if they stop this plan!” Trump tweeted.

I simply cannot, nor will I ever, support baby-killers in any form or fashion. Although I recognize that unfortunately there are some folks who may inadvertently become pawns and will unknowingly compromise their high moral values. And I will forever stand by and support, in any way I can, those who condemn “baby-killers.”

I respectfully submit for your consideration a potpourri of articles showing where Donald Trump stands against the Freedom Caucus:

Some of these stories are the same but they are from different sources. While different articles may say the same thing, the fact that there are so many articles showing that Donald Trump is against the Freedom Caucus and how the Freedom Caucus is against Donald Trump is of great significance.

Trump threatens war on House Freedom Caucus in 2018

While Donald Trump threatens to declare war on the Freedom Caucus in 2018 and as long as Arizona's Freedom Caucus members shrug off Trump threat I will do everything within my financial power to help those Arizona Freedom Caucus members who belong to a group where all the members of the group support each of the individual members, and the individual members pledge to support the group be defeated in 2018. Fuck their all for one and one for all pledge when they place the interest of their group above the interest of the folks back home.

And I don’t expect I will go to Hell for standing in their way when I can, to get them to pledge their loyalty to, and pay more attention to the voters back home who sent them to Washington....than they do the Freedom Caucus activity.

I will now close with this sincere wish for you, Stone ...

Gatlin  posted on  2018-02-17   17:32:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Gatlin (#14)

Interesting that Jim Reeves died flying his own plane, shortly after recording some of his best known hits. He never knew of how much they had succeeded.

Wiki: Jim Reeve, death

A strikingly similar story was that of Jim Croce. Died in a chartered small plane at takeoff, just as his biggest hits were hitting the market.

Wiki: Jim Croce, death

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-02-18   17:15:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Tooconservative (#15)

I am still a big fan ...

Gatlin  posted on  2018-02-18   20:07:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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