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Title: The Tea Party [Freedom Caucus], Not Democrats or Republicans, Is the Problem
Source: The Daily Beast
URL Source: https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-t ... -or-republicans-is-the-problem
Published: Oct 20, 2013
Author: JON FAVREAU
Post Date: 2018-02-12 06:00:36 by Gatlin
Keywords: None
Views: 1990
Comments: 52

The Tea Party [Freedom Caucus], Not Democrats or Republicans, Is the Problem.

It’s de rigueur to decry ‘partisanship’ as Washington’s ‘real problem.’ Let’s get real—the most destructive force in American politics today is the Tea Party, says Jon Favreau.

So now that our government is open and able to pay its bills, what soon-to-be-forgotten lessons have we learned from this sorry fiasco?

Perhaps most important is the reminder that political temper tantrums in Washington exact a toll that goes far beyond unfavorable headlines and worse-than-dog-poo poll numbers. This decision hurt people. Some families couldn’t pay their bills. Others had nowhere safe to send their children while they worked. Poor women lost vouchers that helped buy food and formula for their newborns. Cancer treatments were put on hold for patients who didn’t have much time to waste.

All told, the shutdown and flirtation with default cost America north of $20 billion. The countries that weren’t busy mocking us were frightened by our behavior, wondering if the world’s wealthiest nation would become the world’s deadbeat nation, taking everyone else down with us in a global collapse worse than 2008.

And for what? For what purpose was this pain and humiliation inflicted upon the American people?

Yes, you, Rep. Marlin Stutzman from Indiana. Do you have an answer?

“We’re not going to be disrespected. We have to get something out of this. And I don’t know what that even is.”

Oh.

Which brings me to the second shutdown lesson. As a country, we may never get a more revealing, disturbing look at the true source of Washington’s dysfunction than we did over the last few weeks. Together, we endured a 21-hour non- filibuster speech from White Castle enthusiast Ted Cruz that was so devoid of self-awareness I’m not even sure he knew he was giving it. We saw Sarah Palin come all the way back from the small town of Irrelevancy, Alaska, to lead the charge against an open-air memorial that was blocked by a 3-foot barricade, while a few assholes waved Confederate flags outside the White House and reminded each other that Obama’s a Muslim, just for good measure.

We saw the shutdown rationale shift from defunding Obamacare to delaying Obamacare to cutting spending to reforming entitlements to charging congressional staffers more for health insurance to cutting taxes for stethoscope manufacturers to something, anything that would embarrass the president. As we inched closer to the abyss, we witnessed a parade of right-wing mathletes run the numbers and confidently deny the economic catastrophe that would result from America’s first-ever financial default. And as the speaker of the House made one last half-hearted effort to save his caucus from total defeat, we watched Jim DeMint’s Heritage Foundation kill the plan with a press release, a move just about everyone saw coming that only served to remind us who’s really in charge.

In Official Washington, decrying “partisanship” as the “real problem” is the prerequisite for being taken seriously as a smart, unbiased political commentator. But from where we stand right now, partisanship is not the problem. Democrats are not the problem. Republicans are not the problem. The relationship between President Obama and John Boehner is not the problem.

The Tea Party is the problem.

The Tea Party is the most destructive force in American politics today. Over the last few weeks, it has demonstrated again that its intent is not to shake up the establishment but to burn down the village. As a Democrat, I disagree with its policy positions, but its policy positions alone are not what make the Tea Party so dangerous. What makes the Tea Party dangerous is its members’ willful disregard for the most basic tenets of American democracy. They do not believe in the legitimacy of our president. They do not believe in the legitimacy of decisions handed down by our Supreme Court. Unlike President Obama, Harry Reid, Mitch McConnell, John Boehner, or a host of other Democratic and Republican lawmakers who grasp the basic reality of politics, they have never, not once shown a willingness to compromise on anything. Merely uttering the word is enough to draw a primary challenge.

All this, despite the fact that the Tea Party represents the views of a small, ever- shrinking fraction of Americans. Even within the Republican Party, its members’ favorability hovers around 50 percent, the lowest of all time. Their recent legislative strategy, a word that can be used only in its loosest sense, led to 144 Tea Party House members voting against a bipartisan compromise simply to open the government and avert default. But when Reuters polled people who weren’t satisfied with last week’s outcome, only 2 percent said it was because the House passed the Senate’s bipartisan bill. Only 5 percent said it was because Republicans compromised. Only 3 percent said it was because default would have taught our government an important lesson. Most people said their main dissatisfaction was with the ugly process the Tea Party dragged us all through.

And yet, somehow, this small minority of Tea Party House members, who represent less than one half of one legislative body in one branch of government, has been given enormous influence over the national agenda—a situation without precedent in American political history. It’s insanity.

The president and Boehner can hang out, drink beers, play golf, and shake hands on all kinds of deals. Boehner has been open to revenue in the past. Obama has put entitlement cuts on the table that made his party uncomfortable. The Senate has already passed bipartisan immigration legislation, and there are enough Republicans and Democrats in Congress who are willing to compromise and make progress on any number of issues.

But Boehner was, in his own words, “overrun” by the Tea Party during the shutdown, and so long as he and other Republicans fear challenges from the fringe more than the frustrations of the majority, nothing will get done. And we will find ourselves in the same predicament again and again, regardless of who is elected president or speaker or majority leader.

The Republican Party is at war with itself. And as tempting as it might be for Democrats to gloat from the sidelines, it is in all of our interests—Democrats, independents, and Republicans—to make sure the Tea Party doesn’t win. In 2014, candidates of both parties should challenge their rivals to sign a No Shutdown Pledge and a No Default Pledge. In House races, candidates should be asked whether they’re willing to violate the ridiculous Hastert rule and allow simple up-or-down votes on legislation that could pass with bipartisan support, no matter who holds the majority. In Senate races, they should be asked whether they’re willing to make it harder for bipartisan legislation to be filibustered by a Ted Cruz or a Mike Lee.

Democrats and Republicans can argue all they want over the role of government, but we cannot allow the Tea Party to continue holding the country hostage over its kamikaze mission to destroy government. The vast majority of Americans reject that mission, and we’re not about to sacrifice ourselves or our democracy as collateral damage. It’s time for all of us to get together and fight the crazy.

Poster Comment:
Jon Favreau is a Democrat and wrote this article for The Daily Beast back in October, 2013. He says that the Tea Party [Freedom Caucus] is the most destructive force in American politics today. And what makes the Tea Party dangerous is its members’ willful disregard for the most basic tenets of American democracy. They have never, not once shown a willingness to compromise on anything. Where is Jon Favreau wrong?

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#9. To: VxH (#7)

Eff the "Olympians" and the "elite" STD infested jackwagon they dribbled in on.

Olympians are not infested with STDs - if they were it would drag down their performance - but they are true elites: the best in the world at what they do. Whether what they do is valuable or not is a matter of personal opinion, but the notion that they are not the epitome of athleticism is ridiculous. They are.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-02-12   10:39:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Vicomte13 (#9)
(Edited)

ESAD/FOAD.

If you do, you will.

Bon Appetit, Mr. "Elite" Jesuitard!

VxH  posted on  2018-02-12   11:02:50 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: A K A Stone (#2)

Have you gone to the dark side …
I have not gone to the dark side, I remain on the bright side where I now still see the light. And that light is shining brightly to show me that: “We have met the enemy and the enemy is us.” So, I have gone no place, the problem has come to me….the problem has come to all of us.
… quoting Obama's Director of Speechwriting.
There is nothing wrong in doing that….you need to realize how important it is to understand your enemy. If you don’t read what your enemy has to say and learn from it....then in Heavens name how do you expect to defeat the enemy. A closed mind is a dangerous thing. In the :Patton” movie, General George Patton said: "Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!" As he stood on the hill overlooking the valley where his tanks were obliterating Rommel’s forces. Patton did not act ignorantly to say: “I’m not going to read the siht that Ervin put out.”

If you don’t read and learn from your enemy, and then use the learned information.....you cannot expect to defeat your enemy. You have lost from the beginning if you don’t know your enemy. Andwhen you fail to recognize and deal with a problem and all you can do is put your blinders on, stand around and wave pom poms while yelling “Rah-Rah Rand”....then you are doomed to live with the problem and continue to complain about it.

Moving on …

I unequivocally asked: “Where is Jon Favreau wrong?”

And your response was:

He is Wrong …
That’s no answer. So, I will ask you again to tell me where he is worng.
… and so are you [wrong].
About WHAT?
Democrats are always a problem.
Democrats are a nusiance. However, the Democrats do create a problem when it comes to getting enough votes to pass a bill. But the problem in not getting a bill passed, the REAL problem is getting a bill submitted to pass. And who causes this MAJOR problem? thing about it. Then remember me saying: “We have met the enemy and the enemy is us.” Here come the Freedom Caucus …
The tea party is was the solution.
Okay, since you believe that....then you will have absolutely no problem explaining to me why they are the solution and tell me specifically what they have done. Can you do that? I suspect not.
You're sounding like a snowflake.
No, I am not. But you sure are thinking like one. Since you fail to fully realize the Tea Party is more unpopular with Americans than ever....including among Republicans. Polls continue to show this. It is a steep decline.
The budget needs to be balanced.
Of course it does.
You are completely wrong here.
No, you are the one that is wrong here. You are wrong because I NEVER said the budget did not need to be balances. You need to start reading what I say and stop reading what you THINK that I say.
Rand Paul and the freedom caucus are correct.
Yes, they are correct in saying what is wrong and what should be done about it.
You don't compromise with evil you defeat it.
And when you don’t defeat evil…what do you do then? You must learn to handle it. Just as we must learn to handle the malignant narcissists who love to make everything about them and say their way is the ONLY way.
That is what got us in this boat half assed compromise.
How so?
Did we compromise with the British? No we defeated them.
Did we have a “Freedom Caucus back then trying to tell us their way was the ONLY way to run the war?

No, thank God....we did not.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-02-12   11:08:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: VxH (#10)

ESAD/FOAD.

If you do, you will.

Bon Appetit, Mr. "Elite" Jesuitard!

Thank you for your kind words, Christian.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-02-12   11:08:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Vicomte13 (#12) (Edited)

Why don't you tell the class how AIDS improved the performance of Grandpa Viscount and his "nurse"; and how it's all their fault you didn't get a L.I.F.E.R. payoff from your "elite" navy "career", Grifter.

VxH  posted on  2018-02-12   11:24:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Gatlin (#0)

What makes the Tea Party dangerous is its members’ willful disregard for the most basic tenets of American democracy.

We are NOT a democracy,you shithead. We are a Republic. Learn the difference and then get back to me.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-02-12   11:29:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: misterwhite (#6)

What makes the Tea Party dangerous is its members’ willful disregard for the most basic tenets of American democracy. The shutdown was the result of Mr. Schumer and his clan insisting on amnesty for 700,000 illegals in exchange for passing a budget. A) What did the Tea Party have to do with that and, B) How did that follow "the most basic tenets of of American democracy"?
I will not attempt to answer your questions to Jon Favreau (@jonfavs). However, in reading your post, I feel it necessary to mention that this article was written on 10/2013.
In 2013, Republicans sought changes to Obamacare in the shutdown fight and were accused of hurting people by refusing to budge during the 16-day closure. In the 2018 shutdown fight, Democrats are seeking protection for some 700,000 illegal immigrants granted protection by the Obama-era Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program.
I hope this information is of some use ...

Gatlin  posted on  2018-02-12   11:37:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: sneakypete (#14) (Edited)

What makes the Tea Party dangerous is its members’ willful disregard for the most basic tenets of American democracy.

We are NOT a democracy,you shithead. We are a Republic. Learn the difference and then get back to me.

There is not a chance in Hell that Jon Favreau will ever read your post and “get back to you.”

However, you may reach him @jonfavs ...

Gatlin  posted on  2018-02-12   11:42:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Gatlin (#15)

In the 2018 shutdown fight, Democrats are seeking protection for some 700,000 illegal immigrants granted protection by the Obama-era Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program ...

... by holding the federal budget hostage.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-02-12   11:45:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: misterwhite (#17)

I am not debating that point...I only pointed out the date for your edification.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-02-12   11:51:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: A K A Stone (#2)

He is Wrong and so are you. Democrats are always a problem.

They have been THE problem ever since the Dim Party was formed because their goal from day one was to destroy our Republic and replace it with a Stalinist Democracy.

"Fairness" demands that everyone but the leaders suffer equally.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-02-12   11:58:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: VxH (#13)

Why don't you tell the Class how AIDS improved the performance of Grandpa Viscount and his "nurse"?

WTF does AIDS have to do with it? How many viruses are registered to vote or hold office?

If you are not a homo,WTF are YOU so focused on AIDS? Someone can mention the temperature in Chicago,and idiots like you want to jump on the thread and start screaming about faggots and AIDS.

Methinks thou protests too much.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-02-12   12:18:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Gatlin (#16)

There is not a chance in Hell that Jon Favreau will ever read your post and “get back to you.”

There is not one chance in hell of him responding. He's a Dim,which means he likes echo chambers where all he hears the live-long day is how wonderful and smart he is.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-02-12   12:20:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: sneakypete, Vicomte13 (#20) (Edited)

WTF does AIDS have to do with it?

What do Condoms have to do with the "elite" Olympics?

Sure, let's take the Uberfruit cakes off the ice and put MORE of 'em in the White Hut.

FAIL.

VxH  posted on  2018-02-12   12:47:02 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: VxH (#13) (Edited)

Why don't you tell the class how AIDS improved the performance of Grandpa Viscount and his "nurse"; and how it's all their fault you didn't get a L.I.F.E.R. payoff from your "elite" navy "career", Grifter.

My father died of AIDS, that is true. How kind of you to bring it up.

His live-in nurse stole all of the money I had invested over many years of Naval Service. He was able to do it, while I was deployed to Kuwait/Iraq and then Somalia because my mail went home, and he had many months to take it out of the mailbox, represent himself as me, and liquidate it all.

I came back to zero dollars and a dying father. It was a crappy circumstance to be sure. So I took care of my father until the end. The thief spent all the money and died of AIDS. I never got it back.

Now that you've brought that all up, sprinkled with all sorts of comments about my "elite" navy "career" - yes, it was an elite Navy career: I am a graduate, with honors, from the United States Naval Academy at Annapolis, and I was a naval aviator who served twice under combat conditions, and earned a NCM with a combat "V" for something that happened in one of those.

You blithely dismiss - even attempt to weaponize, apparently - other people's personal tragedies and military service. Where did YOU serve? For how long? Ever get shot at serving your country?

I'm not going to ask you about the death of your father, because it's such an indecent thing to do in a political argument that I can't even comprehend the mind that would stoop to it.

But you go on being you. Men like I was will go on out there in the fleet defending your right to say such things. I tell people to grow a thick skin, and I have one. Know why? Hardships like the one you mocked above.

My father died of AIDS. It was horrendous. Are you happy to bring it up? Does it make you feel big? Does it make you feel like you just pulled a "gotcha"?

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-02-12   13:07:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Vicomte13 (#23) (Edited)

I was a naval aviator

And No Retirement?

My father died of AIDS.

Play "elite" games, win "elite" prizes, Mr. Überviscount.

More of your kind of "elite" is the last thing this country needs running the show, Comrade.

GFYSelves!

VxH  posted on  2018-02-12   13:17:15 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: A K A Stone (#3)

Haha yes let's go like the poop and embrace faggots.

You're calling all Olympians "faggots".

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-02-12   13:29:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: VxH (#24)

GFYSelves!

You too.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-02-12   13:31:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Vicomte13 (#25)

No.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-02-12   13:33:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: sneakypete (#21)

That's true ...

Gatlin  posted on  2018-02-12   13:43:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Vicomte13 (#23) (Edited)

yes, it was an elite Navy career:

Evidently one that ended without retirement benefits or a career in civilian aviation.

I'm not going to ask you about the death of your father,

He didn't die from AIDS.

But yours did, Mr. Überviscount. That "Elite" Überblood you're so Überproud of, full of HIV. Tsk Tsk. Boohoo for Überyou.

VxH  posted on  2018-02-12   13:47:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: VxH (#29)

Evidently one that ended without retirement benefits or a career in civilian aviation.

Retirement requires 20 years of active duty. I left active duty at the 12 year point.

Civilian aviation pays considerably less than what I chose for my second career. I did not much consider civilian aviation as something I would want to do after Navy Air. Not interested in driving a bus.

Yes, my father died of AIDS. You seem to think that you are making a "point" by dragging this up into a political discussion. Everybody dies, VxH.

The only point that you are making is that you are a cockroach.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-02-12   14:18:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Vicomte13 (#30) (Edited)

Civilian aviation pays considerably less than what I chose for my second career

Flushing a$$paper into the global economic sewer system. Uhuh. Meanwhile, you still got a mortgage while most of the Commercial Aviators I've run into have several homes... all paid off.

Yes, my father died of AIDS.

Was it Elite Über HIV that infected the Überblood, or just the regular kind? And, just how far did the "elite" Überapple fall from the "elite" Übertree?

One of the things my dad, and the coworkers who were at his bedside when he died, taught their kids was -- nobody is smart enough to lie.

YÜMMV, Comrade!

VxH  posted on  2018-02-12   14:28:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: VxH (#31)

Cockroach.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-02-12   14:32:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Vicomte13 (#32)

Liar.

VxH  posted on  2018-02-12   14:35:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: VxH (#33)

Are you a Christian?

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-02-12   15:02:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: VxH (#22)

WTF does AIDS have to do with it?

What do Condoms have to do with the "elite" Olympics?

That's the best lame shit you can come up with?

I don't want to shock you,but condoms are also used to prevent pregnancy,as well as to prevent catching venereal diseases besides AIDS.

And at the risk of putting you further into shock,Olympic athletes tend to be young in amazing physical condition. Which means sex drives pegging the meter. Boys and girls WILL do what boys and girls do when they are away from home.

Deal with it.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-02-12   17:36:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: VxH (#13)

Why don't you tell the class how AIDS improved the performance of Grandpa Viscount and his "nurse"; and how it's all their fault you didn't get a L.I.F.E.R. payoff from your "elite" navy "career", Grifter.

Do you tongue wrestle with your mother using that mouth? Or maybe your father and brother? Either way,you have all the class of Bill Maher.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-02-12   17:39:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: VxH (#29) (Edited)

But yours did, Mr. Überviscount.

IF there is a GOD,he must be looking down on you and wondering to himself,"HTF did THAT happen? That SOB should have miscarried instead of living long enough to become a miscarriage.

At any rate you can believe he's not pointing down to you as one of his finest works.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-02-12   17:45:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Vicomte13, VxH (#34) (Edited)

Are you a Christian?

He seems pretty typical to me. Have you seen AKA or any of the other Bible Thumpers here calling him out over this?

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-02-12   17:47:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Vicomte13 (#34) (Edited)

Are you a Christian?

Why, you planning on assuming dominion over my faith with your "elite" Jesuit bullshyte, Comrade?

VxH  posted on  2018-02-12   20:18:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: sneakypete (#35) (Edited)

Deal with it.

XX+XY=Human

Think about that with every wheeezing breath, turd burglar.

VxH  posted on  2018-02-12   22:33:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: VxH (#39)

Are you a Christian? You talk like one.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-02-12   23:43:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Vicomte13 (#41)

So, allegedly, you got a 4 year degree courtesy of the U.S. Taxpayers at one of our Military academies. And, out of that "education" you find pondering how your French surrender monkeys managed to instill your revolutionary spirit into Pol Pot "humorous".

What an embarrassment graduates like you must be to the old school instructors there, Comrade.

VxH  posted on  2018-02-12   23:51:08 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: VxH (#42)

Are you a Christian?

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-02-13   0:17:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Vicomte13 (#43)

Whatever I am, that doesn't change the fact that you think trying to understand the educational history of Pol Pot, "humorous", Comrade.

VxH  posted on  2018-02-13   0:29:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: VxH (#44)

Whatever I am,

Embarrassed to admit you're a follower of Christ?

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-02-13   0:32:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Vicomte13 (#45)

Embarrassed to admit you're a follower of Christ?

Nope. I just don't feel particularly compelled to play your religious taxonomy game.

You embarrassed about which Aircraft the Navy supposedly qualified you on courtesy of the American tax payer, Comrade; which one was it?

VxH  posted on  2018-02-13   0:51:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: VxH (#7) (Edited)

Protest over quality of condoms

So sheing continues to be a winter olympic sport whats wrong with bringing your own

paraclete  posted on  2018-02-13   0:54:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: VxH (#8)

Clinton called to a constitutional amendment

Could we have a constitutional amendment so her form of bullshit can never again be inflicted on the world

paraclete  posted on  2018-02-13   0:58:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: paraclete (#48)

Could we have a constitutional amendment so her form of bullshit can never again be inflicted on the world

Plenty of laws that could probably put her away on her Email antics alone.

But, actual law enforcement requires an actual Republic - not the facade of one wearing a banana peel.

VxH  posted on  2018-02-13   1:06:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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