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Title: The American Experience,The Gilded Age
Source: PBS
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Published: Feb 12, 2018
Author: sneakypete
Post Date: 2018-02-12 01:09:57 by sneakypete
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The "thinking" of leftists on full display.

The American Experience is in general one of PBS's most leftist leaning programs,and the series "The Gilded Age" is about the transformation of America from a primitive rural age where there are no real jobs other than in the cities,and most American lead a day to day life of manual labor on small farms or ranches to eek out a subsistence lifestyle. No real money to speak of,and nothing to fall back on but distant neighbors if the men die or get injured,to the creation of the industrial nation in the late 1890's and early 1900's.

A prime example is right after explaining how US Steel was created and Andrew Carnegie was paid $250 million for it,he became the richest man in the world. They showed the steel mills operating,people working,trains moving along carrying people,good,and produce,as well as mentioning the improved lifestyles of the typical citizen.

Then the very next thing you hear is the talking head historians talking about the transformation of the American government from a government that served the people,to a government that served the capitalists. This,of course was all the fault of the evil Republicans that took over control of our nation in the 1896 election.

The blindness is stunning. Due to industrialization the typical American worker had a salary above the survival rate,to a level where it was possible for him to not only support his family,but to save money,send his children to school,buy a house,buy better/nicer clothes,etc,etc,etc,and somehow access to this better life is evil because it is a result of millionaires and Republicans colluding to take away people's freedom by buying them jobs and making them slaves to the big banks and bankers. I am GUESSING these improvements in the living conditions and the creations of hope for a future better life would be ok with them,if only the wealthy would give it all away and refuse any profits. And they said all this without the slightest trace of shame or hesitation about looking like the fools they are.

It actually made my head hurt to listen to and see it,but I recommend everyone watch it to see where the roots of today's lunacy originated,and how todays loons still think communism makes sense.


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#1. To: sneakypete (#0) (Edited)

Due to industrialization the typical American worker had a salary above the survival rate,to a level where it was possible for him to not only support his family,but to save money,send his children to school,buy a house,buy better/nicer clothes,etc,etc,etc,

I did not know, you are such a great fan of FDR and New Deal.

Working class Americans during the Gilded Age:

New Deal houses:

A Pole  posted on  2018-02-12   5:30:42 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: A Pole (#1)

I did not know, you are such a great fan of FDR and New Deal.

I'm not. I despise the communist SOB,and his ugly-ass wife,too.

King Franklin had NOTHING to do with industrialization and the rising income levels it brought. If he could have,he would have stopped it and adopted his "Kindly Uncle Joe Stalin's methods".

He was a turd floating in the punch bowl of humanity,just like every other communist that ever lived.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-02-12   11:25:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: sneakypete (#2)

I despise the communist SOB,and his ugly-ass wife,too.

Hmm, so if you had to chose to live in the Gilded Age housing in the first photo, or in the second under the rule of "the communist SOB, and his ugly-ass wife", what would you chose?

A Pole  posted on  2018-02-12   12:52:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: sneakypete, Y'ALL, (#0)

Look for The American Experience on your local PBS station or on your dish service,and then look for "The Gilded Age" programming.

The blindness is stunning. Due to industrialization the typical American worker had a salary above the survival rate,to a level where it was possible for him to not only support his family,but to save money,send his children to school,buy a house,buy better/nicer clothes,etc,etc,etc,and somehow access to this better life is evil ----

It actually made my head hurt to listen to and see it,but I recommend everyone watch it to see where the roots of today's lunacy originated,and how todays loons still think communism makes sense.

I watched it, and had the same reaction. Their blindness on how 'evil' industrialization lead directly to an age of invention by 'common men' like Edison, Ford, etc, -- who finally had the wherewithal to innovate, to start new businesses which employed millions more, --- was stunning...

Capitalism works.. When tempered with constitutional safeguards that protect an individual workers freedoms, it works even better.

tpaine  posted on  2018-02-12   15:43:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: A Pole (#3)

Hmm, so if you had to chose to live in the Gilded Age housing in the first photo, or in the second under the rule of "the communist SOB, and his ugly-ass wife", what would you chose?

Comrade,I know you have a small mind and are vision-impaired,so I will be gentle.

The "gilded age housing" in the first photo was only typical of rental housing in slums like those in Europe or the American northeast. MOST Americans lived in houses they owned. Housing was cheap back when you could build one yourself.

BTW,I have actually lived in a house that was built in the mid-1800's. Back then the kitchen was almost a separate house because it was only connected to the house by a walkway. It was done like this to keep the living quarters from getting so hot in warm weather.

In FACT,I lived in that house for several years until I had saved enough money to have this one put up. I did the same thing with my 1850 square foot workshop. I saved money until I could have the walls and ceiling put up,then I had the cement floor poured,the wiring done,the bathroom put in,the air conditioning put in,and the furnace put in,one at a time as I saved the money.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-02-12   18:15:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: tpaine (#4)

Capitalism works..

It's the only thing that does. You can bet everything you own that every single one of the fools making comments are either trust fund children,or academics who have never even bumped into reality. All they have and all they know is theory.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-02-12   18:17:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: sneakypete, tpaine (#6)

"Capitalism works.."

It's the only thing that does. You can bet everything you own that every single one of the fools making comments are either trust fund children,or academics who have never even bumped into reality. All they have and all they know is theory.

Mankind has a very long history, most of it was as hunters/gatherers. Then 5 thousands years of city/despotic empires, surrounded by barbarian tribes.

Capitalism as a dominating formation arose in XVIII century and spread over XIX. Very short time in historical scale.

Beside good things, it starved Irish, forced opium on China ruining it, exterminated millions in Africa (8 millions in Congo only), made huge profits on slavery. If not reformers like FDR, it would be already swept out by the revolution.

And it is eroding in our eyes.

A Pole  posted on  2018-02-13   5:07:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: A Pole (#7)

So have you surrendered your home, assets AND bank account to the State yet? And invited a half dozen illegals or fellow comrades to share it all?

And don't forget that ALL your material belongings, luxuries, yes, and even your FAITH MUST be approved by The State. NO INDEPENDENT BARTERING OR CHEATING.

If you are this anxious going to be part of the neo-Commie Antifa Revolution, why not get a head start by example? You don't want to be such a blatant hypocrite, do you? OR...do you need to wait for the blood flowing in the streets, Comrade? (Some "Christian" YOU are, btw.)

Liberator  posted on  2018-02-13   6:55:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: A Pole (#7)

It [capitalism] is eroding in our eyes.

WHERE??

Liberator  posted on  2018-02-13   6:56:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Liberator (#8)

Capitalism is dying because of its success.

The wealth gets concentrated in few hands, stops to be based on industrial production. Instead it increasingly gets based on speculation, usury and rent seeking.

Rents are income derived merely from ownership - like inheritance, patents etc ...

One example of rent-seeking, when there is a natural medicine that works better like kratom, the capitalist giants of Big Pharma, first patent syntetized active components, then ban kratom using political influence, then package syntetics as a official drug, inferior but priced severel times higher.

A Pole  posted on  2018-02-13   7:07:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: A Pole (#10) (Edited)

Capitalism is dying because of its success.

Again; WHERE??

One example of rent-seeking, when there is a natural medicine that works better like kratom, the capitalist giants of Big Pharma, first patent syntetized active components, then ban kratom using political influence, then package syntetics as a official drug, inferior but priced severel times higher.

Nobody ever said Capitalism in its purest form was ideal. BUT it IS merit/earning-based and a much better alternative than an enslavement/oppresive-in-EVERY-way Communism.

Liberator  posted on  2018-02-13   7:34:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: A Pole (#10) (Edited)

Yes, there have been cases in which great inventions are either bought out or quashed under capitalism.

THAT said, at least the creativity, expression, and freedom to bring an idea to market under Capitalism FAR more often comes to fruition, AND its developer/inventor REWARDED. That has meant that SOCIETY has been rewarded.

Unde Communism you can not provide a single example where its system provides anything other than a brutal system of Statist quashing of Freedom -- economic, faith-wise, idea-wise, CHOICE-of-LIFE-wise. NONE. ZIP. ZERO.

Liberator  posted on  2018-02-13   7:38:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: A Pole (#10)

If you didn't live in a capitalist society and we're still a hunter gatherer. Do you think an old geezer like you would still be alive?

Capitalism died in Venezuela is that your dream country?

The former Soviet Union?

The problem isn't with capitalism which is largely just freedom. The problem is our sin nature. Under any system there will be greed, evil etc.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-02-13   7:59:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Liberator, A K A Stone, Vicomte13 (#12)

THAT said, at least the creativity, expression, and freedom to bring an idea to market under Capitalism FAR more often comes to fruition, AND its developer/inventor REWARDED.

In Pollyanna world, yes. Unfortunately, the real world is different.

In the last decades it becomes much more profitable to cut rentier's coupon from inheritance, patents and usury. Entrepreneurship and risk are passe.

True inventors like Tesla often die in poverty.

A Pole  posted on  2018-02-13   8:04:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: A Pole (#14) (Edited)

Entrepreneurship and risk are passe.

On the contrary. HERE in the USA. I don't know what modifications are taking place in your country.

Unfortunately, the real world is different.

We apparently live in different "real" worlds.

Liberator  posted on  2018-02-13   8:10:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: A K A Stone, A Pole (#13)

Capitalism died in Venezuela is that your dream country?

The former Soviet Union?

The problem isn't with capitalism which is largely just freedom. The problem is our sin nature. Under any system there will be greed, evil etc.

Well stated.

What of Venezuela nd the old Soviet system's demise, Pole? Aren't those YOUR ideal systems that you're endorsing?

Liberator  posted on  2018-02-13   8:13:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Liberator (#16) (Edited)

What of Venezuela nd the old Soviet system's demise, Pole? Aren't those YOUR ideal systems that you're endorsing?

Cannot you be less stupid in your arguments?

You talk like a mindless drone from some cult. Can you present one your own idea? Just one please, so I know that I do not deal with a bot.

A Pole  posted on  2018-02-13   8:25:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: A Pole (#17)

Try answering the question instead of copping out.

YOU advocate Communism. Now you're challenged to explain why the systems YOU espouse (instead of a Capitalism you prefer dies) are FAILED.

Can you do it? Or are you going to wave the White Flag and surrender?

Liberator  posted on  2018-02-13   8:37:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Liberator (#18)

YOU advocate Communism. Now you're challenged to explain why the systems YOU espouse

YOU advocate pedophilia. Now you're challenged to explain why the pedophilia YOU espouse is OK?

A Pole  posted on  2018-02-13   9:00:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: A Pole, Y'ALL (#10)

Capitalism is dying because of its success.

The wealth gets concentrated in few hands, stops to be based on industrial production. Instead it increasingly gets based on speculation, usury and rent seeking.

As I noted just above: --- Capitalism works.. When tempered with constitutional safeguards that protect an individual workers freedoms, it works even better.

In the USA, we've developed safeguards against dog eat dog unfettered capitalism, some constitutional, some not.. The silicon valley example shows that constitutionally based capitalism is healthy and working. --- One of our biggest problems NOW is over-regulating business by out of control fed, state, and local governments...

tpaine  posted on  2018-02-13   10:59:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: A Pole (#19)

YOU advocate pedophilia. Now you're challenged to explain why the pedophilia YOU espouse is OK?

*I* advocate an immediate refund of your rubles for your baboon-brain transplant.

Liberator  posted on  2018-02-13   11:16:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: sneakypete (#0)

A prime example is right after explaining how US Steel was created and Andrew Carnegie was paid $250 million for it,he became the richest man in the world. They showed the steel mills operating,people working,trains moving along carrying people,good,and produce,as well as mentioning the improved lifestyles of the typical citizen.

Andrew Carnegie was an outstanding citizen. He was self educated. Among other things he believed that no man should die with enormous wealth. As a consequence later in life he gave much of his $250 million away where he believed it would be useful. He established a large system of public libraries in America to make certain people had access to the same advantages he had when he was growing up. He built over 1,200 public libraries across America as part of his program to improve American opportunity when combined with their individual effort. Our city in the midwest had a large Carnegie library.

rlk  posted on  2018-02-13   11:33:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: tpaine (#20)

When tempered with constitutional safeguards

When?

A Pole  posted on  2018-02-13   12:09:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Liberator (#21)

*I* advocate an immediate refund of your rubles for your baboon-brain transplant.

Better baboon than your sheep brain.

A Pole  posted on  2018-02-13   12:11:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: A Pole (#23)

When?

As I noted just above: --- Capitalism works.. When tempered with constitutional safeguards that protect an individual workers freedoms, it works even better.

In the USA, we've developed safeguards against dog eat dog unfettered capitalism, some constitutional, some not.. The silicon valley example shows that constitutionally based capitalism is healthy and working. --- One of our biggest problems NOW is over-regulating business by out of control fed, state, and local governments...

You ask when? --- when the safeguards were put in place? -- We've been writing labor law regulations since the early 1900's. Too many, in my opinion...

tpaine  posted on  2018-02-13   13:09:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: tpaine (#25)

We've been writing labor law regulations since the early 1900's.

You would prefer a revolution?

"Given its size, violence, and political importance, it might seem strange that the Little Steel Strike of 1937 is so forgotten.

In the midst of the Great Depression, 80,000 steelworkers went out on strike in a swath of industrial America stretching from Chicago to central Pennsylvania, defying some of the world’s most viciously antiunion corporations in a bitter fight for recognition of their right to organize in the Steel Workers Organizing Committee (SWOC), one of the divisions of the new Committee for Industrial Organization (CIO—later Congress of Industrial Organizations).

The owners of “Little Steel”—the moniker given to US Steel’s competitors Republic Steel, Youngstown Sheet & Tube Company, and Inland Steel—and their pawns in state and local government, met the workers with savage violence, killing 18, including 10 at the notorious Memorial Day Massacre of peacefully demonstrating strikers gunned down by the Chicago Police Department. The steelworkers were ultimately defeated, but not for lack of fight."

"With the industrial organizing drive defeated, the steel corporations, spearheaded by US Steel, put in place one of the most far-reaching spy systems ever carried out against a workforce, which White deals with in his second and third chapters. At times, “the steel companies’ power amount to nearly totalitarian control,” he notes. This dictatorship underpinned extreme labor exploitation and brutal working conditions that “generated enormous profits… The Mellons, the Mestas, Morgans, Phipps, Rockefellers—all these families built their fortunes on steel and steel labor.”

White’s research here is important because it shows that, as was the case with other industries, the upsurge of the industrial working class preceded the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA, or Wagner Act) passed in 1935, and the formation of the CIO. The NLRA, which for the first time provided American workers with some protection against summary firing for joining a union, was the response from bourgeois political reformers to a working-class revolt that was already underway.

Monroe strikers:

A Pole  posted on  2018-02-14   7:48:19 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: A Pole (#7)

Beside good things, it starved Irish, forced opium on China ruining it, exterminated millions in Africa (8 millions in Congo only), made huge profits on slavery. If not reformers like FDR, it would be already swept out by the revolution.

You really are a clueless fool,comrade. Learned all that in indoctrination classes,did you?

The "religion" know as Communism is responsible for more murders and atrocities than any other form of religion in the history of mankind.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-02-14   14:28:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: A Pole (#17)

You talk like a mindless drone from some cult.

The blind hypocrisy is stunning!

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-02-14   14:31:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: A Pole (#19)

YOU advocate pedophilia.

Stay on subject,Comrade!

The subject is politics,not sex.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-02-14   14:32:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: rlk, A Pole (#22)

Andrew Carnegie was an outstanding citizen. He was self educated. Among other things he believed that no man should die with enormous wealth. As a consequence later in life he gave much of his $250 million away where he believed it would be useful. He established a large system of public libraries in America to make certain people had access to the same advantages he had when he was growing up. He built over 1,200 public libraries across America as part of his program to improve American opportunity when combined with their individual effort. Our city in the midwest had a large Carnegie library.

So what?

Compare that to the good works of Comrade Marx and Comrade Stalin,and ........,uhhhhh.

Never mind.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-02-14   14:35:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: A Pole (#26)

As I noted just above: --- Capitalism works.. When tempered with constitutional safeguards that protect an individual workers freedoms, it works even better.

In the USA, we've developed safeguards against dog eat dog unfettered capitalism, some constitutional, some not.. The silicon valley example shows that constitutionally based capitalism is healthy and working. --- One of our biggest problems NOW is over-regulating business by out of control fed, state, and local governments...

You ask when? --- when the safeguards were put in place? -- We've been writing labor law regulations since the early 1900's. Too many, in my opinion...

A Pole ---- "You would prefer a revolution? "

Weird question, seeing that I've shown that I'm in favor of the safeguards developed against dog eat dog unfettered capitalism, ---- the constitutional ones...

tpaine  posted on  2018-02-16   13:16:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: sneakypete (#27)

Learned all that in indoctrination classes,did you?

I figured out it by myself. I do not get opinions from classes like you.

A Pole  posted on  2018-02-16   13:31:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: A Pole (#32)

Learned all that in indoctrination classes,did you?

I figured out it by myself. I do not get opinions from classes like you.

ROFLMAO!

Oh,yeah! If there is one thing commies are known for,it is being independent thinkers!

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-02-16   19:41:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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