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Title: President Trump Has Ordered a Military Parade in Washington, Pentagon Says
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Time
URL Source: http://time.com/5136757/pentagon-donald-trump-military-parade/
Published: Feb 6, 2018
Author: Robert Burns / AP
Post Date: 2018-02-06 23:48:03 by Hondo68
Keywords: None
Views: 4554
Comments: 49
(WASHINGTON) — President Donald Trump has asked the Pentagon to plan a grand parade of the U.S. armed forces in Washington this year to celebrate military strength, officials said Tuesday. The Washington Post, which was first to report the plan, said Trump wants an elaborate parade this year with soldiers marching and tanks rolling, but no date has been selected. White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders confirmed the request Tuesday evening. She said Trump wants the Pentagon to “explore a celebration” that will allow Americans to show appreciation for the military. A Pentagon spokesman, Charlie Summers, said Pentagon officials are aware of the request and are “looking at options.” Muscular military parades of the kind that are common in authoritarian countries like China and North Korea are not quintessentially American. The U.S. traditionally has not embraced showy displays of raw military power, such as North Korea’s parading of ballistic missiles as a claim of international prestige and influence. U.S. military members commonly participate in parades on the Fourth of July and other holidays to mark appreciation and remembrance of military veterans, but these typically do not include gaudy displays of military hardware. In her brief comment on Trump’s order to the Pentagon, Sanders did not elaborate on what sort of event he envisions. Although Defense Secretary Jim Mattis has not commented publicly on the idea of a Washington military parade, the idea is not an obvious fit with his emphasis on focusing strictly, if not exclusively, on military activities that either improve the lethality of the armed forces or enhance their preparation for combat, or both. The Post report said a Jan. 18 meeting between Trump, Mattis and top generals at the Pentagon marked a tipping point in Trump’s push for a parade. It quoted an unidentified military official as saying, “The marching orders were: I want a parade like the one in France.” It was thus interpreted as a presidential order, the Post said, adding that the cost of shipping tanks and other military hardware to Washington could run in the millions of dollars. The Post also reported that the Pentagon would prefer to hold such a parade on Veteran’s Day in November, in part because it would coincide with the 100th anniversary of the victorious end of World War I. It would thus be less directly associated with the president and politics, the Post said. John Kirby, a retired Navy rear admiral and former spokesman for the State Department and the Pentagon, reposted on Twitter Tuesday night an article he wrote for CNN’s website last summer after Trump mentioned he had been dazzled by the Paris parade. Kirby said a big military parade in Washington is a bad idea. “First of all, the United States doesn’t need a parade down Pennsylvania or any other avenue to show our military strength,” he wrote. “We do that every day in virtually every clime all over the world.” It has long been conventional wisdom that the U.S. does not need to boast of its military strength because it already is recognized as the leader of the NATO alliance and a model of military professionalism that countries across the global seek to emulate. Last September, at a meeting with French President Emmanuel Macron, Trump announced his idea of staging a grand parade of the armed forces in Washington on July 4. Trump reminisced about watching France’s Bastille Day military parade when he visited Paris in July. He said the two-hour parade was a “tremendous thing for France and for the spirit of France,” and said he wanted one on Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington that would be grander than the one he saw in Paris. Poster Comment: Maybe the tanks can roll on into Maryland and take on the Anacostia commies, and then onward to Baltimore, Trenton, and NYC? 
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#4. To: hondo68 (#0)
Parades are dumb. I can't imagine why Trump thinks we want a parade. Trump wanted this for his inauguration, was mad he couldn't get a big military parade. One of the generals argued that the streets in D.C. will not support the weight of tanks. I'm not sure if that is true. NATO forces routinely parade on the boulevards of Europe which seems to be mostly what the EU leaders think a military is used for.
Don't know about the weight aspect, but tanks could be outfitted with rubber treads (expensive), or trailered to avoid tearing up the streets. Not that I'm in favor of this stupid idea.
I thought rubber treads were only for light tanks. Trump would not accept light tanks. He would want yuuuuuuge street-crushing tanks. I saw today at WaPo an article that says the whole parade thing is just a major trolling of Dems by Trump. Kind of like the anthem-kneeling troll he has going with the NFL.
I'm certainly no expert, but if I had to guess, I'd say the regular tank tracks shouldn't hurt the streets (not unless they're recently paved with fresh/soft asphalt, anyway) Tank tracks are made to spread the weight out over a large area.... That's why they don't sink up to their axles in sand or mud like regular wheeled vehicles would. Maybe high speeds and rapid turns might make a difference... but just poking along at a snail's pace in a parade shouldn't be much of a problem... But I could be wrong....
I wondered just how heavy they are. . . . Many manufacturers provide rubber tracks instead of steel, especially for agricultural applications. Rather than a track made of linked steel plates, a reinforced rubber belt with chevron treads is used. In comparison to steel tracks, rubber tracks are lighter, make less noise, create less maximal ground pressure and do not damage paved roads. The disadvantage is that they are not as solid as steel tracks. Previous belt-like systems, such as those used for half-tracks in World War II, were not as strong, and during military actions were easily damaged. The first rubber track was invented and constructed by Adolphe Kégresse and patented in 1913; rubber tracks are often called Kégresse tracks.
#38. To: Tooconservative (#35)
As if our infrastructure isn't crumbling fast enough already, Herr Drumpf wants the tanks to grind it to smithereens... and then refuse to jack-up the taxes to pay for filling in the potholes...
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#27. To: Tooconservative (#4)
One of the generals argued that the streets in D.C. will not support the weight of tanks. I'm not sure if that is true.
#28. To: hondo68 (#27)
#30. To: Tooconservative, hondo68 (#28)
I thought rubber treads were only for light tanks.
#35. To: Willie Green, hondo68 (#30)
So apparently steering a heavy tank is the part that tears up the roads. I know we used to pay Germany a shocking amount of money if our tanks used a German road during war games. I seem to recall a number like $40K per tank for only a few miles on a German roadway.
The seventy-ton M1 Abrams tank has an average ground pressure of just over 15 psi (100 kPa). Since tyre air pressure is approximately equal to average ground pressure, a typical car will have an average ground pressure of 28 psi (190 kPa) to 33 psi (230 kPa).
Replies to Comment # 35. So apparently steering a heavy tank is the part that tears up the roads.
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