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Title: President Trump Has Ordered a Military Parade in Washington, Pentagon Says
Source: Time
URL Source: http://time.com/5136757/pentagon-donald-trump-military-parade/
Published: Feb 6, 2018
Author: Robert Burns / AP
Post Date: 2018-02-06 23:48:03 by Hondo68
Keywords: None
Views: 1129
Comments: 49

U.S. President Donald Trump delivers remarks at Sheffer Corporation in Blue Ash, Ohio on Feb. 5, 2018.

U.S. President Donald Trump delivers remarks at Sheffer Corporation in Blue Ash, Ohio on Feb. 5, 2018.
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(WASHINGTON) — President Donald Trump has asked the Pentagon to plan a grand parade of the U.S. armed forces in Washington this year to celebrate military strength, officials said Tuesday.

The Washington Post, which was first to report the plan, said Trump wants an elaborate parade this year with soldiers marching and tanks rolling, but no date has been selected.

White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders confirmed the request Tuesday evening. She said Trump wants the Pentagon to “explore a celebration” that will allow Americans to show appreciation for the military.

A Pentagon spokesman, Charlie Summers, said Pentagon officials are aware of the request and are “looking at options.”

Muscular military parades of the kind that are common in authoritarian countries like China and North Korea are not quintessentially American. The U.S. traditionally has not embraced showy displays of raw military power, such as North Korea’s parading of ballistic missiles as a claim of international prestige and influence.

U.S. military members commonly participate in parades on the Fourth of July and other holidays to mark appreciation and remembrance of military veterans, but these typically do not include gaudy displays of military hardware.

In her brief comment on Trump’s order to the Pentagon, Sanders did not elaborate on what sort of event he envisions.

Although Defense Secretary Jim Mattis has not commented publicly on the idea of a Washington military parade, the idea is not an obvious fit with his emphasis on focusing strictly, if not exclusively, on military activities that either improve the lethality of the armed forces or enhance their preparation for combat, or both.

The Post report said a Jan. 18 meeting between Trump, Mattis and top generals at the Pentagon marked a tipping point in Trump’s push for a parade. It quoted an unidentified military official as saying, “The marching orders were: I want a parade like the one in France.” It was thus interpreted as a presidential order, the Post said, adding that the cost of shipping tanks and other military hardware to Washington could run in the millions of dollars.

The Post also reported that the Pentagon would prefer to hold such a parade on Veteran’s Day in November, in part because it would coincide with the 100th anniversary of the victorious end of World War I. It would thus be less directly associated with the president and politics, the Post said.

John Kirby, a retired Navy rear admiral and former spokesman for the State Department and the Pentagon, reposted on Twitter Tuesday night an article he wrote for CNN’s website last summer after Trump mentioned he had been dazzled by the Paris parade. Kirby said a big military parade in Washington is a bad idea.

“First of all, the United States doesn’t need a parade down Pennsylvania or any other avenue to show our military strength,” he wrote. “We do that every day in virtually every clime all over the world.”

It has long been conventional wisdom that the U.S. does not need to boast of its military strength because it already is recognized as the leader of the NATO alliance and a model of military professionalism that countries across the global seek to emulate.

Last September, at a meeting with French President Emmanuel Macron, Trump announced his idea of staging a grand parade of the armed forces in Washington on July 4.

Trump reminisced about watching France’s Bastille Day military parade when he visited Paris in July. He said the two-hour parade was a “tremendous thing for France and for the spirit of France,” and said he wanted one on Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington that would be grander than the one he saw in Paris.

 


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#1. To: hondo68 (#0)

Trump reminisced about watching France’s Bastille Day military parade when he visited Paris in July.

It may get emotional for some of the observers.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2018-02-07   0:00:12 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Fred Mertz, hondo68 (#1) (Edited)

Trump reminisced about watching France’s Bastille Day military parade when he visited Paris in July.

It may get emotional for some of the observers.

“Emotion” ...

How does it feel to be emotionally detached to your mother country and how difficult is it to understand that patriotism is an emotion, a reaction of the profoundly complex relationship between an individual and his homeland? How difficult is it to realize that the intricate bond between an individual and county is a value system formed in the process of thought and feeling of loyalty for the love of his country?

It is not surprising to find that some people will not carry forward the patriotism produce and even think patriotism has become of no importance. They fail to understand that patriotism is of realistic significant value for safeguarding our national sovereignty and interest. It helps in life to deal with complex domestic situations and world challenges.

When those who feel no love for their native land, never have a sense of pride for the land where they live....no parade or anything else will for reason be good to them. For those, it will never generate patriotism. Since patriotism is a matter that can’t be injected into people’s mind, it is an emotion that grows automatically and is implanted through heritage.

I don’t expect you to understand this, Fred, neither will hondo and a few others here. But some of us do, the same as President Trump does.....and this intensely patriotic individual especially understands it:

God bless America ...

Gatlin  posted on  2018-02-07   5:48:42 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Gatlin, hondo68, Fred Mertz (#2)

Muscular military parades of the kind that are common in authoritarian countries like China and North Korea are not quintessentially American.

We can see where Trump is headed now.

He is slowly revealing his true nature.

It is not surprising to find that some people will not carry forward the patriotism produce and even think patriotism has become of no importance.

This isn't patriotism - copying the militaristic displays of the former Soviet Union, North Korea and China is simply revolting.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2018-02-07   5:56:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: hondo68 (#0)

Parades are dumb. I can't imagine why Trump thinks we want a parade.

Trump wanted this for his inauguration, was mad he couldn't get a big military parade.

One of the generals argued that the streets in D.C. will not support the weight of tanks. I'm not sure if that is true. NATO forces routinely parade on the boulevards of Europe which seems to be mostly what the EU leaders think a military is used for.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-02-07   7:10:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Deckard (#3)

This isn't patriotism - copying the militaristic displays of the former Soviet Union, North Korea and China is simply revolting.

This isn't any kind of a astatement - it's bullshit.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-02-07   8:28:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: hondo68 (#0)

SH45 Has Ordered a Military Parade in Washington

There will be no parade....when the Pentagon finishes "looking into it" they will determine that it would have an embarrassingly low attendance....and would be mocked and ridiculed around the world.

Of course since LORM has already made his need for attention public....the ridicule will be forthcoming anyway.

"we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.

"Listen piece of shit. Call me anti American again and your're banned. I don't like you." - aka stoned -

Jameson  posted on  2018-02-07   8:29:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Deckard, Gatlin, hondo68, Fred Mertz, Tooconservative (#3)

We can see where Trump is headed now.

He is slowly revealing his true nature.

Trump needs a goose-step to help him get it up because viagra doesn't work any more...

Willie Green  posted on  2018-02-07   8:40:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: hondo68 (#0)

I like the eagle shooting the machine gun and the gold bullion tank treads.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-02-07   8:40:48 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Willie Green (#7)

Nice one Willie!

I think the idea would involve deciding on the mix between military hardware and troops in a parade. Heavy stuff like tanks and tracked vehicles would be prohibitive. On the other hand, gathering enough troops for a "big" parade would be difficult, given the small size of the forces/strength levels and the fact that many of them are deployed overseas to protect Empire America.

Just my opinion of course.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2018-02-07   10:47:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Jameson (#6)

There will be no parade....when the Pentagon finishes "looking into it" they will determine that it would have an embarrassingly low attendance....and would be mocked and ridiculed around the world.

There will be a parade. Then something more will happen. At the end of the parade the military will go in and remove all the swamp creatures from DC.

Do it do it Trump.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-02-07   11:06:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Deckard (#3)

My dad was in the military. They used to have armed forces day back then, maybe still do. People came out and saw a lot of different military stuff. It was very interesting for us kids back then. We all loved it.

It's not a parade, but same principal.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-02-07   11:09:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Tooconservative (#4)

Parades are dumb. I can't imagine why Trump thinks we want a parade.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-02-07   11:26:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: misterwhite (#12) (Edited)

Parades are from a bygone era. Like barnstorming campaigns, delivering speeches from train platforms. Or Sousa music being considered pop music down at the bandstand in the local park on a Sunday afternoon.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-02-07   11:36:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Tooconservative (#13)

Parades are from a bygone era. Like barnstorming campaigns, delivering speeches from train platforms. Or Sousa music being considered pop music down at the bandstand in the local park on a Sunday afternoon.

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A K A Stone  posted on  2018-02-07   11:48:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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BorisY  posted on  2018-02-07   11:49:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Tooconservative (#13)

Parades are from a bygone era.

Yet we have a ton of them every year across America. Big ones.

Would you rather have a Trump-style military parade or a Gay Pride parade? Which one more accurately represents the average American?

misterwhite  posted on  2018-02-07   11:49:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: misterwhite (#12) (Edited)

Here's 1.5 hours of Trump enjoying the Bastille Day parade.

It looks just dreadful. Poor Melania, such a good sport.

France's military on parade is really really gay. I can't imagine why Trump liked it.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-02-07   11:51:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Tooconservative (#17)

I will admit, I find parades pretty boring for the most part. Except when my kids were in them for sports teams.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-02-07   11:53:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Tooconservative (#17)

She is a good sport.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-02-07   11:54:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Gatlin, yukon taters, Fred Mertz, Deckard (#2)

patriotism is of realistic significant value for safeguarding our national sovereignty and interest.

I don’t expect you to understand this, Fred, neither will hondo and a few others here. But some of us do, the same as President Trump does.....and this intensely patriotic individual especially understands it

A globalist swine McCain voter like you, has not a clue to the meaning of National Sovereignty!

Patriotism is not parades, nor a lust for yukons taters.

Hondo68  posted on  2018-02-07   12:06:43 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: A K A Stone (#18)

I will admit, I find parades pretty boring for the most part. Except when my kids were in them for sports teams.

Scrub through that video of the French parade. Colorful historic uniforms, drab bands, the jeep corps (a bad joke), some wheeled armored cars, a half-dozen medium tanks with more armored cars, 3 choppers, a half-dozen jets trailing tricolor smoke flying over the Arc. How they dragged it out for over two hours is beyond imagination. It's sheer torture.

The display of military might was pathetic actually. Trump is right that we could easily outdo it, even with only National Guard units.

I think the money should be spent on rebuilding the military. We're scavenging parts off planes to keep others in the air. A parade for Trump won't fix that.

Look at that video closely though. There is no doubt that Trump enjoyed that parade more than anyone else there. Trump enjoyed it more than everyone else on the review stand combined. The French officials looked like "I suppose I have to be here because it's my job." You can't imagine any of them attending this parade if they weren't obliged to. But Trump really did enjoy it, right up to where he helped lead the applause for him getting into his Beast and leaving at the end of the clip.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-02-07   12:10:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: misterwhite (#16)

Would you rather have a Trump-style military parade or a Gay Pride parade?

They're both awful. No thanks.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-02-07   12:13:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Tooconservative (#21)

I don't know what iss morre boring watching the parade or watching the entire video rto get these very important details out. Thank you TC you do so much for us.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-02-07   12:13:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: A K A Stone (#23)

Thank you TC you do so much for us.

Yeah, it's a real public service. LOL

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-02-07   12:18:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: hondo68 (#20)

A globalist swine McCain voter like you, has not a clue to the meaning of National Sovereignty!

Tell tater I've participated in more parades than he'd ever dream of. I've also observed them too. Last big one I saw was in DC after Desert Storm I - oh, so long ago.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2018-02-07   12:29:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Willie Green (#7)

Wrong music.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-02-07   12:32:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Tooconservative (#4)

One of the generals argued that the streets in D.C. will not support the weight of tanks. I'm not sure if that is true.

Don't know about the weight aspect, but tanks could be outfitted with rubber treads (expensive), or trailered to avoid tearing up the streets. Not that I'm in favor of this stupid idea.

Hondo68  posted on  2018-02-07   12:33:32 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: hondo68 (#27)

I thought rubber treads were only for light tanks.

Trump would not accept light tanks. He would want yuuuuuuge street-crushing tanks.

I saw today at WaPo an article that says the whole parade thing is just a major trolling of Dems by Trump. Kind of like the anthem-kneeling troll he has going with the NFL.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-02-07   12:49:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: A K A Stone (#10)

There will be a parade.

Will you be "marching" in the Doo-Dah parade again this year?

I know how much you enjoy it!

www.doodahparade.com/

"we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.

"Listen piece of shit. Call me anti American again and your're banned. I don't like you." - aka stoned -

Jameson  posted on  2018-02-07   13:00:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Tooconservative, hondo68 (#28)

I thought rubber treads were only for light tanks.

I'm certainly no expert, but if I had to guess, I'd say the regular tank tracks shouldn't hurt the streets (not unless they're recently paved with fresh/soft asphalt, anyway) Tank tracks are made to spread the weight out over a large area.... That's why they don't sink up to their axles in sand or mud like regular wheeled vehicles would. Maybe high speeds and rapid turns might make a difference... but just poking along at a snail's pace in a parade shouldn't be much of a problem...

But I could be wrong....

Willie Green  posted on  2018-02-07   13:34:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Deckard (#3)

We can see where Trump is headed now.

Yep. I wonder how many parades FLOTUSSA went to with her Soviet Communist daddy-Trump lookalike?

Some folks can remember that one of the differences between the USA and the USSR was that we didn't have parades worshiping the Military Industrial Complex like they did.

Others - Not. So. Much.

VxH  posted on  2018-02-07   13:44:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Willie Green (#30)

I'm certainly no expert, but if I had to guess, I'd say the regular tank tracks shouldn't hurt the streets (not unless they're recently paved with fresh/soft asphalt, anyway) Tank tracks are made to spread the weight out over a large area.... That's why they don't sink up to their axles in sand or mud like regular wheeled vehicles would. Maybe high speeds and rapid turns might make a difference... but just poking along at a snail's pace in a parade shouldn't be much of a problem...

It sounds like Trump really wants a July 4 parade while the Pentagon would rather go for Veterans Day on Nov. 11. Asphalt would be warmer and softer in mid-day July. But Veterans Day is after the midterm elections so I don't think Trump will go for it.

You could just do a short parade of the heavy tanks/howitzers, put them on the street a few blocks from Trump, roll them past, go a few more blocks to trailer them again. It would limit any street damage and prevent excess wear on the tank treads.

The Pentagon should try to get Trump to attend one of the big war games and do some parading there. It would be more appropriate and a lot less expensive. And it would make good TV for Trump, maybe more so than a parade passing the White House at considerable expense.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-02-07   13:45:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: hondo68 (#20)

Patriotism is not parades ...

Never said it was ...

Gatlin  posted on  2018-02-07   13:49:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: hondo68 (#20)

... meaning of National Sovereignty

Where did I say anything about national sovereignty?

Gatlin  posted on  2018-02-07   13:51:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Willie Green, hondo68 (#30)

I wondered just how heavy they are.

The seventy-ton M1 Abrams tank has an average ground pressure of just over 15 psi (100 kPa). Since tyre air pressure is approximately equal to average ground pressure, a typical car will have an average ground pressure of 28 psi (190 kPa) to 33 psi (230 kPa).

. . .

Many manufacturers provide rubber tracks instead of steel, especially for agricultural applications. Rather than a track made of linked steel plates, a reinforced rubber belt with chevron treads is used. In comparison to steel tracks, rubber tracks are lighter, make less noise, create less maximal ground pressure and do not damage paved roads. The disadvantage is that they are not as solid as steel tracks. Previous belt-like systems, such as those used for half-tracks in World War II, were not as strong, and during military actions were easily damaged. The first rubber track was invented and constructed by Adolphe Kégresse and patented in 1913; rubber tracks are often called Kégresse tracks.

So apparently steering a heavy tank is the part that tears up the roads. I know we used to pay Germany a shocking amount of money if our tanks used a German road during war games. I seem to recall a number like $40K per tank for only a few miles on a German roadway.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-02-07   13:59:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Gatlin (#34)

Where did I say anything about national sovereignty?

Patriotism is rooted in, "national sovereignty" but knowing you based on past commentary, you could give a shit.

buckeroo  posted on  2018-02-07   14:00:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Gatlin (#2)

God Bless the veteran standing in front of his wheel chair !!!!

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt

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Stoner  posted on  2018-02-07   14:09:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Tooconservative (#35)

So apparently steering a heavy tank is the part that tears up the roads.

As if our infrastructure isn't crumbling fast enough already, Herr Drumpf wants the tanks to grind it to smithereens... and then refuse to jack-up the taxes to pay for filling in the potholes...

Willie Green  posted on  2018-02-07   14:23:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: buckeroo (#36) (Edited)

I never said it wasn’t....did I?

No,

I just asked him where I said it.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-02-07   14:35:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Deckard, crosswalk heroes, Boston SWAT, Fred Mertz (#3)

copying the militaristic displays of the former Soviet Union, North Korea and China

If we're gonna beat the NORKS at their own game, we'll need to include our SWAT heroes in the parade too!

Hondo68  posted on  2018-02-07   14:39:57 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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