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Title: Giving Middle Finger to Police Is a First Amendment Right
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Newsweek
URL Source: http://www.newsweek.com/middle-fing ... &utm_content=/rss/yahoous/news
Published: Feb 6, 2018
Author: Jason Silverstein
Post Date: 2018-02-06 16:39:09 by Hondo68
Keywords: constitutional right to, flip off Master Trooper, ticket for provocation
Views: 1743
Comments: 21
He says flipping the bird means being free. An Indiana man argues in a federal lawsuit filed last week that he had a First Amendment right to give the middle finger to a state trooper, and that his free speech was violated when the gesture earned him a ticket. The defendant, Mark May, is seeking unspecified damages from Indiana State Police Master Trooper Matt Ames. According to a complaint filed Thursday, Ames “aggressively cut in front” May at a state road intersection in Terre Haute in August 2017. May realized Ames was pursuing another motorist, but he was annoyed because he thought the chase was “not a wise use of police resources” and because he felt the state trooper pulled a move that would have got another motorist ticketed. So when May passed Ames on the road, he gave him the finger. Ames, in turn, pulled May over and gave him a ticket for provocation, an offense that could lead to a fine up to $500. Ames was “quite angry and loud” when he handed down the punishment and May “was concerned about the Master Trooper’s demeanor,” the complaint says. May was later found guilty of the provocation offense, though the Vigo County Superior Court voided the judgment when he challenged it . The lawsuit says May, a self-employed carpet cleaner, “lost income” as a result of the two court appearances he had to make. May contends that he had every constitutional right to flip off the trooper, and caused no harm. “While perhaps ill advised, Mr. May’s gesture, which in no way interfered with the Master Trooper’s lawful activities, was fully protected by the First Amendment,” the complaint says. It also accuses Ames of violating May’s Fourth Amendment rights with an unreasonable traffic stop. The ACLU of Indiana filed the suit on behalf on May. The Indiana State Police has not commented. Poster Comment: Americans giving government officials the finger predates the Revolutionary War. The founding fathers did it frequently. It's a grand old American tradition.Giving Middle Finger to Police Is a First Amendment Right, Man Argues in Lawsuit Over Ticket
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#1. To: hondo68 (#0)
Was the finger really that big in colonial New England? I don't recall reading about this.
You're not going to find it in the Weakly Standard, that's for sure. I think you're making it up. Can you name any record of a Founder flipping the bird at a Redcoat or even the governor's wife?
Not literally flipping the bird, but the Declaration Of Independence gives a good example of the founding fathers opinion of government officials job approval rating. It's the equivalent of giving King George the finger, IMO.
Clearly, you don't understand the purpose of the Declaration at all. Or why the American revolution was the most important revolution in all of history.
Yes, and so is the retaliatory gesture of a beating.
Maybe because it's in the Left's revisionist "history" book, where Americans and America itself was a beddy-beddy bad, vulgar, and too-white, too-Christian nation. According to them, many of the Founders (including Abe Lincoln) were supposedly homos. Just ask them.
Ok. So it WAS bullsh*t. Thanks.
But will Gatlin comment about his beloved Commie ACLU's defense of their client flipping the bird to LEOs?? But...but...I thought you bled red white and blue??
No.
"No," what? You don't bleed red white and blue? Or, "no," you won't defend or comment about your beloved ACLU defending their client giving LEOs The Finger?
If you don’t remember, your question was: Now....be a good little boy, run along, and find someone else to try and provoke ...I’m busy.
Does this indicate that you are recanting your past ringing endorsement of the American Civil Liberties Union? OR, do you still support this subversively rogue, un-American org? Thank you for your honest reply and clarification.
Yes, and so is the retaliatory gesture of a beating. The cop apparently cut him off - it's a pretty reasonable gesture to give the badged "hero" the finger in that case. Ames “aggressively cut in front” May at a state road intersection in Terre Haute in August 2017....he felt the state trooper pulled a move that would have got another motorist ticketed. If the situation were reversed and Ames had cut off the cop car, it's quite possible that Ames would have been on the receiving end of more than just a beating. The CONVICTION on his criminal history (or "wrap-sheet" for all you dumb Paultards) should have a court disposition of.... GUILTY OF ASSHOLERY IN THE 1st DEGREE. With this said, I'm not a big fan of the charge. Giving the finger should always be a constitutional right in a free country. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
According to your own standards, you should be serving a life sentence. Fuck off, drug addict boot licker.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Thanks for proving my point. You're dismissed. What a shame. Don't have the courage to answer the bell and clarify once and for all? We'd disagreed on many things, but I thought more of you. At least we know where YOU STILL STAND. You are apparently still an ACLU-SUPPORTER.
The issue isn't about who's a hero, who's in the right, or a cop abusing his power; It's about the simple repercussions of giving the finger and all that IT entails. WHOMEVER it is, for WHATEVER reason, one had better be prepared to BACK IT UP. You NEVER know what will set someone off.
You are still itching to start an argument with me based on your false premise. And I will continue to ignore you since I will not participate in a discussion as the result of you being unable to prove your proposition and therefore it has no form part as the basis of a logical syllogism. Since your premise is not correct and while a valid discussion depends on whether its premise is true....we therefore have nothing to discuss. If you feel that you are correct in your premise, then link to the post by me that resulted in your fallacy of presumption....that left you with the false dilemma that I support the ACLU.
Americans giving government officials the finger predates the Revolutionary War. The founding fathers did it frequently.
#2. To: Tooconservative (#1)
I don't recall reading about this.
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#3. To: hondo68 (#2)
#4. To: Tooconservative, DOI, giving King George the finger (#3)
I think you're making it up. Can you name any record of a Founder
#5. To: hondo68 (#4)
Not literally flipping the bird, but the Declaration Of Independence gives a good example of the founding fathers opinion of government officials job approval rating. It's the equivalent of giving King George the finger, IMO.
#6. To: hondo68 (#0)
It's [giving the finger] a grand old American tradition.
#7. To: Tooconservative, hondo68 (#1)
Was the finger really that big in colonial New England? I don't recall reading about this.
#8. To: hondo68, Tooconservative (#4)
Not literally flipping the bird...
#9. To: Gatlin (#0)
The ACLU of Indiana filed the suit on behalf on May. The Indiana State Police has not commented.
#10. To: Liberator (#9)
#11. To: Gatlin (#10)
(Edited)
#12. To: Liberator (#11)
(Edited)
"No," what?
“No” was my answer to the stupid, nonsensical and intentionally antagonistic question you asked. ... will Gatlin comment ...
My answer is still: “No.”
#13. To: Gatlin (#12)
#14. To: Liberator (#6)
It's [giving the finger] a grand old American tradition.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#15. To: hondo68 (#0)
(Edited)
May was later found guilty of the provocation offense
#16. To: GrandIsland, hondo68 (#15)
GUILTY OF ASSHOLERY IN THE 1st DEGREE.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#17. To: Deckard (#16)
#18. To: GrandIsland (#17)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#19. To: Gatlin (#13)
#20. To: Deckard (#14)
#21. To: Liberator (#19)
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