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Title: The Memo is Released
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Published: Feb 2, 2018
Author: Democrats
Post Date: 2018-02-02 12:57:52 by Pinguinite
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#13. To: Liberator (#7)
One would think that Trump would be wise enough to understand that this is used against millions of law-abiding citizens, yet he signed the bill extending surveillance law — the same law he says was used to spy on him Seems a bit hypocritical, doen't it? Unless one truly believes that the President and "his people" are entitled to more Constitutional protections than the proles. Yes Trump is much more important than you goofball
You could show 1 + 1 = 2 to Trump haters and they would argue against it if it supported Trump. And half the public would believe it.
More accurately, the same law that was abused to spy on him. But yes, he should be getting a lesson on what it's like to be on the receiving end of such abuses. Next lesson is how power corrupts and it's not simply a matter of replacing corrupt people with "good" people, that the law itself needs to go.
My feelings are mostly the same, at least for us who are already tuned in to this corruption. ---- Pinguinite The release is a necessary part of 'draining the swamp', so to speak... Not that it will ever be really drained, -- but we can hope for more of this type of action.. --- In fact, just the declassification aspect of this is great.. -- When's the last time we've seen this bullshit about 'Top Secret' exposed?
Seems a bit hypocritical, doen't it? Unless one truly believes that the President and "his people" are entitled to more Constitutional protections than the proles. MAYBE Trump signed the bill with the ORIGINAL intent executed, whereby LEGIT suspects would be surveilled. I get your point, but without honorable and honest people with integrity enforcing the law of the land and constitution AND its spirit, those laws, our very Constitution truly is just a "GD piece of paper." There ARE people in this nation RIGHT NOW who do indeed need to be monitored and surveilled; I wish it weren't the case, but increasing technological advances, cleaver Muzzies and Antifa elements -- as well as "The Memo" -- all prove why it is now a necessary evil. FWIW, I don't like it either...
That's a good point. I've seen lots of bad news items, including statistics that weren't appealing to the organization I worked with that were stamped with some sort of classification to keep the bad news internal. No big national security stuff, just run of the mill staff work and support. FOUO was one of the faves of the generals. Thanks for pointing that out.
AB-SO-LUTELY. Not that it will ever be really drained, -- but we can hope for more of this type of action.. ... --- In fact, just the declassification aspect of this is great.. -- When's the last time we've seen this bullshit about 'Top Secret' exposed? EXACTLY. I don't understand how this unredacted release can possible be met with yawns. This makes Watergate look like an elementary school prank.
Yes. And use the best crayons you have.
I have no problem with NSA spying on the bad guys - but that simply isn't the case here. With the Shutdown Over, The Government Can Go Back to Suppressing Your Rights In a bipartisan manner, Congress recently passed the FISA Reauthorization Act of 2017. On January 19th, President Trump signed this bill into law. That bill extended the controversial Section 702 program that allows the NSA to conduct warrantless surveillance of non-U.S. citizens or residents. This program clearly benefits our intelligence agencies in matters of national security. However, millions of Americans’ private information is also collected in this program. The private information of anyone in the U.S. who communicates with someone outside of the country could potentially be stored in this massive database. How expansive is this program? The Washington Post reviewed a sample of communications from the Edward Snowden leaks and found that 9 out of 10 people in the database were not surveillance targets. Nearly half of these people were American citizens or residents and their private information was swept up in this net. This isn’t just a matter of preserving privacy. Once information enters this program, all conventional constitutional law goes to the wayside. The FBI has access to this program to do “backdoor searches” for any crime without a warrant. That information can be passed along to whichever law enforcement agencies the FBI deems necessary. Furthermore, this isn’t a minor program that applies to a few people. There were an estimated 106,469 targets in 2016. Power in the extreme has always corrupted. hence the Founders "Three Equal Branched" that were supposed to check and balance each other. THAT must be re-calibrated. ANY law -- even so-called "good" or necessary" laws can and are abused. "Good people," ethical, moral people are far less less apt to abuse their position of authority. I think that's the best we can hope for from human beings. The problems occur when Progressively political people abuse their power and position to justify what is a fascist ideology. For them (and Communists), they are at war, and "The end justifies the means." The 0bamas and Clintons have both done the same thing and abused their power during their respective regimes, demonstrating NO respect for the law, the Constitution OR their opposition.
Fred --- That's a good point. --- I've seen lots of bad news items, including statistics that weren't appealing to the organization I worked with that were stamped with some sort of classification to keep the bad news internal. Liberator--- EXACTLY. I don't understand how this unredacted release can possible be met with yawns. Already I've seen a talking head on msnbc complain about how the memo violated security.. -- Then the rest of the panel sagely nodded their heads at the idiocy.
You opinion....do you think any criminal indictments will come from this?
You left off Dubya and Poppy Bush. The private information of anyone in the U.S. who communicates with someone outside of the country could potentially be stored in this massive database. Believe me -- I feel you. ...A sample of communications from the Edward Snowden leaks and found that 9 out of 10 people in the database were not surveillance targets. Nearly half of these people were American citizens or residents and their private information was swept up in this net. I was calling Snowden a hero and criticized for it. Yes, I am acutely aware of the waste of resources, gross abuse of privacy and the 4A, and unnecessary surveillance. After 8 years of an Enemy of the State and his minions sabotaging the US and setting up coups and "Resistance," AND infesting every branch, twig and leaf of gubmint, one can make the legit argument that this law is NOW needed more than ever. Unfortunately. What do you feel should be a solution or even compromise given the last eight years and revelation of such abuse of power and corruption by the 0bamas and Clintons and their minions?
Yes, but to a far less degree. The 0bamas and Clintons wanted to turn America and the Constitution on its head. (True or not true?)
The problems occur when our educational system is geared up to brainwashing children into becoming "Progressively political people".. We are reaping the harvest of that school system NOW. It may be too late...
Aaah...Thanks for noting their reaction and sharing it. The MSNBC panel preferred to dwell on procedure instead of addressing the meat of the matter that indicts them as shameless lying tools who promoted nothing but bullsh*t 24/7/365? Figures. They are patently dishonest and propagandist right down to their pathetic bone. Even when busted with their hand in the cookie jar. Just like most Progs.
I have no doubt about that, however Obabma wouldn't have had near the presidential power that he had if the precedent for issuing executive orders had not been set by Bush. Clinton was corrupt (and still is) on a completely different level. We are reaping the harvest of that school system NOW. It may be too late... +100. The die may well be cast. Irrevocably. As long as the NEA leaders remain hardcore Progs, public schools will continue indoctrinating instead of teaching. We ARE screwed.
The Dems will have theirs too. Monica Crowley is reporting there will be several more such memos, not just the Dem memo. Ron Johnson in the Senate (Homeland Security chair) has requested the text messages of 16 more FBI employees, including McCabe and Comey. So it's a safe bet you're making.
But they all cheered that traitor Manning and publishing vast reams of secret material by Wikileaks. Partisan hacks.
Concur 100%. But 0bama cranked up the mechanism by a factor of a 1000%+. Which should have destroyed this nation after 8 years. ALMOST did as we've witnessed by the attempted coup. Bush and his minions also helped SET UP an 0bama who they KNEW was a radical subversive, KNEW well what his agenda would be, and refused to reveal his identity and vet him to the American people. Ye it is still 0BAMA and his minions who openly declared war on half of America, did he not? Clinton was corrupt (and still is) on a completely different level. Well, we're now talking TWO Clintons. It's like discussing the difference between diarrhea and vomit. From was I observed, both Clintons and 0bama were virulent haters of conservatives and abusive of the USCON. But NO ONE hated/hates America and Conservatives more than the 0bamas. NO ONE.
This isn’t just a matter of preserving privacy. Once information enters this program, all conventional constitutional law goes to the wayside. What evidence do you have that "all conventional constitutional law goes to the wayside" once a person is in the program? Surely, any citizen would still retain their individual constitutional rights?
In a "war" of memos, Trump will have the Last Word. Count on it. Now comes Trump's full vindication. He demonstrated an amazing discipline, don't you think? It's a safe bet you're making. Just a logical presumption. Trump holds ALL the cards. And thankfully it's him in the WH. Any professional Republican politician would have never released these memos...or even survived politically nearly to this point to do so. Trump remains a political miracle.
The Dems won't give up that easily. Trump has to find someone who wants to fire Mueller. I think the release of this memo may be a way for Trump to argue why he isn't going to sit down to answer questions with Mueller. All Mueller has to do is catch Trump in just one lie or failing to recall something and he gets him for lying. It doesn't even have to be related to Mueller's area of inquiry. Look at what they're doing to Manafort on unrelated charges. Manafort is a sleazy character (a lieutenant of Roger Stone and Lee Atwater, both dirty trickster pros) but they should have just gone after all the shady lobbyists, including the Podesta Group. That would be a great way to clean out the Swamp. I don't know why Sessions isn't on the warpath with those scumbags. Start with the Soros puppets.
Lost in the sauce, isn't it? Manning commits treason and is rewarded by 0bama's minions. Just like Bergdahl (I'd like to see THOSE "memos.") Now he/it is even given a voice while he/it runs for office. MSNBC's panels are the worst and most shamelessly hypocritical and subversive...as well as anti-America, anti-White, anti-men, etc.
In my opinion, McCain threw the election to Obaama by not going after him more forcefully and instead backing off. If he had followed through and backed up Palin's aggressiveness on the campaign trail, things might have turned out differently. The NWO controllers wanted Obama for just those reasons that you mentioned. I will agree that Trump has apparently, at least for the time being thrown a monkey wrench into their well-oiled machine. Nope, they never do.Precisely because they are tone deaf personally, philosophically and politically. Their masochism reminds me of a collective Rachel Corrie. If they continue to challenge the increasingly muscular Trump, he will flatten them one by one. Trump has to find someone who wants to fire Mueller. I think the release of this memo may be a way for Trump to argue why he isn't going to sit down to answer questions with Mueller. Yup, I agree. Moreover, I believe Mueller continues at his own peril. He undoubtedly sees the writing on the wall. IMO he will find a reason to end the charade against Trump. As a matter of self-preservation. All Mueller has to do is catch Trump in just one lie or failing to recall something and he gets him for lying... Not ever getting to that juncture. Mueller is cornered. Checkmated.
If he had followed through and backed up Palin's aggressiveness on the campaign trail, things might have turned out differently. Without a doubt, brutha... We both recall how late McCain had already led in the polls. Then he used the TARP issue to suspend his campaign (aka self-sabotage it.) McCain is filthy as well. The NWO controllers wanted Obama for just those reasons that you mentioned. I will agree that Trump has apparently, at least for the time being thrown a monkey wrench into their well-oiled machine. We're on the same page.
Btw, the gal reading the news at msnbc, just concluded her hour by quoting a Democrat as saying the memo 'doesn't amount to a fart in the wind'.. --- She then signed off by saying 'so ends my show of Breaking Wind'.... -- At least that's what I thought I heard...
--- She then signed off by saying 'so ends my show of Breaking Wind'.... HA!! So MSNBC-ish. That channel is a buffoonish parody of itself.
I think the release of this memo may be a way for Trump to argue why he isn't going to sit down to answer questions with Mueller. Why fire Mueller? -- Do you think he has anything solid? Simply insist that Trump will answer ALL written questions with written answers..
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That's another thing. Releasing this memo does not endanger US security in ANY WAY. There are no secrets that are compromised that enemies of the US could use to their advantage. The only security it compromises is that of the named individuals.
That's another thing. Releasing this memo does not endanger US security in ANY WAY. There are no secrets that are compromised that enemies of the US could use to their advantage. The only security it compromises is that of the named individuals. --- Pinguinite It's amazing that these clowns think that such obvious lies/agitprop will be believed. But as Gobbels said, repeat, repeat, repeat..
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I think you meant lyin' king, banjo boy.
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What evidence do you have that "all conventional constitutional law goes to the wayside" once a person is in the program? Surely, any citizen would still retain their individual constitutional rights? Second request...
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestAnd proves that false affidavits were signed off on by these people apply for and authorize FISA surveillance of Trump and his people.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#14. To: Deckard (#13)
#15. To: misterwhite (#12)
#16. To: Deckard (#13)
One would think that Trump would be wise enough to understand that this is used against millions of law-abiding citizens, yet he signed the bill extending surveillance law — the same law he says was used to spy on him
#17. To: Pinguinite, Y'ALL, fred mertz (#6)
: Fred Mertz ----: Just as I suspected; nothing really new here. Ho-hum.
#18. To: Deckard (#13)
One would think that Trump would be wise enough to understand that this is used against millions of law-abiding citizens, yet he signed the bill extending surveillance law — the same law he says was used to spy on him.
#19. To: tpaine (#17)
When's the last time we've seen this bullshit about 'Top Secret' exposed?
#20. To: tpaine (#17)
The release is a necessary part of 'draining the swamp', so to speak...
#21. To: Fred Mertz (#11)
Do I have to draw pictures?
#22. To: Liberator (#18)
There ARE people in this nation RIGHT NOW who do indeed need to be monitored and surveilled; I wish it weren't the case, but increasing technological advances, cleaver Muzzies and Antifa elements -- as well as "The Memo" -- all prove why it is now a necessary evil.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#23. To: Pinguinite, Deckard (#16)
Next lesson is how power corrupts and it's not simply a matter of replacing corrupt people with "good" people, that the law itself needs to go.
#24. To: Liberator (#20)
When's the last time we've seen this bullshit about 'Top Secret' exposed?
#25. To: Liberator (#20)
This makes Watergate look like an elementary school prank.
#26. To: Liberator (#23)
The 0bamas and Clintons have both done the same thing and abused their power during their respective regimes, demonstrating NO respect for the law, the Constitution OR their opposition.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#27. To: Deckard (#22)
That bill extended the controversial Section 702 program that allows the NSA to conduct warrantless surveillance of non-U.S. citizens or residents. This program clearly benefits our intelligence agencies in matters of national security. However, millions of Americans’ private information is also collected in this program.
#28. To: Deckard (#26)
You left off Dubya and Poppy Bush.
#29. To: Liberator., Y'ALL (#23)
The problems occur when Progressively political people abuse their power and position to justify what is a fascist ideology. For them (and Communists), they are at war, and "The end justifies the means."
#30. To: tpaine (#24)
Already I've seen a talking head on msnbc complain about how the memo violated security.. -- Then the rest of the panel sagely nodded their heads at the idiocy.
#31. To: Liberator (#28)
The 0bamas and Clintons wanted to turn America and the Constitution on its head.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#32. To: tpaine (#29)
The problems occur when our educational system is geared up to brainwashing children into becoming "Progressively political people"..
#33. To: Liberator (#7)
This will not be the only memo released.
#34. To: tpaine (#24)
Already I've seen a talking head on msnbc complain about how the memo violated security.. -- Then the rest of the panel sagely nodded their heads at the idiocy.
#35. To: Deckard (#31)
I have no doubt about that, however Obabma wouldn't have had near the presidential power that he had if the precedent for issuing executive orders had not been set by Bush.
#36. To: Deckard (#22)
I have no problem with NSA spying on the bad guys - but that simply isn't the case here.
#37. To: Tooconservative (#33)
The Dems will have theirs too.
#38. To: Liberator (#37)
In a "war" of memos, Trump will have the Last Word. Count on it. Now comes Trump's full vindication. He demonstrated an amazing discipline, don't you think?
#39. To: Tooconservative (#34)
But they [MSNBC] all cheered that traitor Manning and publishing vast reams of secret material by Wikileaks.
#40. To: Liberator (#35)
Bush and his minions also helped SET UP an 0bama who they KNEW was a radical subversive, KNEW well what his agenda would be, and refused to reveal his identity and vet him to the American people.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#41. To: Tooconservative (#38)
(Edited)
The Dems won't give up that easily.
#42. To: Deckard (#40)
In my opinion, McCain threw the election to Obaama by not going after him more forcefully and instead backing off.
#43. To: All (#36)
#44. To: tpaine (#43)
Btw, the gal reading the news at msnbc, just concluded her hour by quoting a Democrat as saying the memo 'doesn't amount to a fart in the wind'..
#45. To: Tooconservative (#38)
Trump has to find someone who wants to fire Mueller.
#46. To: Fred Mertz (#8)
boris
#47. To: tpaine (#24)
Already I've seen a talking head on msnbc complain about how the memo violated security.
#48. To: Pinguinite (#47)
tpaine (#24) ---- Already I've seen a talking head on msnbc complain about how the memo violated security.
#49. To: BorisY (#46)
#50. To: Pinguinite (#0)
#51. To: BorisY (#46)
The king lion
#52. To: Fred Mertz (#51)
boris
#53. To: Deckard, y'all (#22)
This isn’t just a matter of preserving privacy. Once information enters this program, all conventional constitutional law goes to the wayside.
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