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Title: Bye, Bye Miss American Pie… and Big V8s, Too
Source: Eric Peters Autos
URL Source: https://www.ericpetersautos.com/201 ... bye-miss-american-pie-big-v8s/
Published: Jan 29, 2018
Author: Eric
Post Date: 2018-01-30 08:29:04 by Deckard
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2018 may be the last year for Chrysler as we have known it. Dodge, too. These two sell the automotive equivalent of lawn darts – big rear-drive cars with big V8 engines.

At still-affordable prices.

People love them but the government bureaucrats who have somehow been empowered to countermand our buying inclinations do not. Such cars use “too much” gas – notwithstanding we’re the ones paying for it – and so the bureaucrats have been systematically working for decades to make such cars artificially more expensive to build – and to buy – via punitive “gas guzzler” taxes.

These taxes – the actuality as well as the threat – are why the average new car is compact-sized, front-wheel-drive and powered by a small, four-cylinder engine. Before “gas guzzler” taxes – when the car industry was still largely free to build the types of cars buyers rather than bureaucrats wanted – and those buyers were largely free to buy them at a price that was reasonable because not grotesquely, artificially ballooned by punitive taxation – Americans, average ones, routinely drove big, rear-drive cars with big V8s.

The kinds of cars that Chrysler (300 sedan) and Dodge (Charger, Challenger) still build today.

But probably not for long.

The “gas guzzler” taxes applied right now are a mere Sunsteinian nudge in the ribcage compared with what’s coming.

Right now, a car company gets hit – and in turn, hits its customers – with punitive “gas guzzler” taxes if its fleet of cars fails to average 34.5 miles per gallon.  But tomorrow – 2025 – the fleet average requirement will almost double, to 54.5 miles per gallon.

Big, rear-drive cars with V8s like the 300, Charger and Challenger would incur enormous “gas guzzler” taxes under this regime, to a degree that would render them so artificially expensive to offer for sale that only very affluent people could afford to buy them – as is already the case with other big, rear-drive cars with V8s under their hoods.

The only car companies offering such vehicles besides Chrylser and Dodge are high-priced luxury brands such as Mercedes-Benz, Lexus and BMW. And even they have had to retreat from V8s, which are now offered only in their highest-priced models, the ones in the six-figure range. (The 2019 Lexus LS – the company’s flagship sedan – will be powered by a turbocharged V6; it previously came standard with a V8.)

This backdrop accounts for the water-treading of Fiat – Chrysler (and Dodge’s) parent company with regard to the 300 and Charger/Challenger. These cars – which haven’t changed much in years – were due for an update this model year. To be based on the rear-drive Alfa (part of the Fiat family) Giorgio platform. This would have meant a renewed lease on life for rear-drive Chargers and Challengers – at still-reasonable prices.

2018 came  – and the 300, Charger and Challenger remain unchanged. The plans for using the Giorgio platform as the basis for updated – but still rear-drive and presumably, V8-available – versions of these cars were kiboshed.

Meanwhile, Sergio Marchionne – head of the Fiat combine – let loose the horrible news that the popular Chrysler 300 sedan may go front-wheel-drive, riding on a modified version of the same chassis used for the current Chrysler Pacifica minivan. He didn’t say it, but this change from rear to front-wheel-drive would also mean no more V8 for the 300 – the whole point of going to FWD being to lighten the car in order to make it viable to downsize what’s under the hood, in order to appease the government bureaucrats who’ve assumed the power to dictate to us how much gas we’re allowed to use in our cars.

This leaves the Dodge Charger sedan – fraternal twin of the 300 and (currently) based on the same underlying chassis – and the Challenger, which is a two-door version of the Charger sedan and shares the same mechanicals.

People love these cars – just as they love a good ribeye and a beer. But how can FiatChrysler continue to sell them at a price they can manage when government bureaucrats are about to double if not triple the “gas guzzler” taxes that will be imposed upon them?

2025 is less than seven model years away. Whatever FiatChrysler – and every other car company – intends to sell then is in the planning stages right now. Crunch time isn’t coming – it’s here.

There was another rumor that the Charger/Challenger at least might get updated using the same platform Maserati – another Fiat property – uses to build the Ghibli. The good news about that, of course, is that the M157/Ghibli platform is rear-drive and would support a V8.

The bad news is . . . it’s a Maserati platform. And Maseratis tend not to be the type of cars average Americans often get their hands on.

Unless the 54.5 MPG fatwa is rescinded – and so far there have been no tangible signs this is going to happen – one of two other things is likely to happen between now and 2025.

The first  – and least likely – is that FiatChrysler will use the M157/Ghibli platform to build a new (and still rear-drive, V8) Charger/Challenger, but at very high cost – which would mean very low production. A car for the rich only, the few who can still afford such cars.

The second, more probable alternative is that FiatChrysler will continue to sell the current 300/Charger/Challenger for another couple of years, largely unchanged – then replace all of them with fatwa-friendly FWD/four cylinder (or hybrid/electric) cars.

If the 300 goes front-wheel-drive, expect the Charger and Challenger to follow.

As Michael Corleone explained to his brother Sonny in the original Godfather, this isn’t personal – it’s business. FiatChrysler – like every other car company – has to do business with Uncle first before they can do business with us.

Until that changes, we’ll be allowed to buy only the cars Uncle permits the car companies to build – and both of us will continue to be punished for not bending knee to that.

If, therefore, you fancy a big, rear-drive bruiser like they used to make ‘em, better go get one while they’re still being made.     

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#1. To: Deckard (#0) (Edited)

But tomorrow – 2025 – the fleet average requirement will almost double, to 54.5 miles per gallon.

Premature panic. The government repeatedly delays these restrictions on the auto industry.

Look at the so-called Cadillac taxes on all-you-can-eat luxury healthcare plans, the kind that unions like UAW get, also a lot of businesses like hospitals and businessmen and the Fortune 500 companies. They were scheduled to be hit with these taxes in 2018 by law but they just keep delaying it. It was, in fact, part of the negotiations for the budget/DACA and the CHIP funding deal that the GOP offered Dems recently.

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA, as amended by the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010), imposes an annual 40% excise tax on plans with annual premiums exceeding $10,800 for individuals or $29,500 for a family starting in 2020, to be paid by insurers.[4][7] The tax was originally set to take effect in 2018. However, in December 2015, a law delayed the start date to 2020.[8] In January 2018, the implementation was postponed until 2022.

The tax is not imposed on the total cost of the plan, but on the costs exceeding the aforementioned values, which, after 2020, will adjust to inflation annually. These costs include any part of a person's income allocated to flexible spending accounts, health reimbursement accounts, and health savings accounts, but not expenditures for stand-alone dental, vision, accident, disability, or long-term care insurance coverage.[7][9] After the December 2015 changes, the tax is now a deductible business expense, reducing the impact on businesses that pay income tax.[10] The tax is intended to do three things: help finance the PPACA; reduce overall health care costs; and address the unequal tax benefit of excluding employer-based health insurance coverage from taxes.[11]

And delaying that tax is another giveaway that the GOP gave Chuck Schumer. They should have let it take effect to drive more Dems to have a stake in repealing 0dingaCare.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-30   8:44:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Tooconservative (#1)

The one thing I was sure of when Fiat bought Chrysler,was that Chrysler's days were numbered. All Fiat has ever produced has been automotive shit.

Other than their agricultural line,that is. They also produce tractor shit. They destroyed Ford tractors.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-01-30   9:11:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: sneakypete (#2)

The one thing I was sure of when Fiat bought Chrysler,was that Chrysler's days were numbered.

Same here. I think the common perception is that they're on life support. Their best asset are U.S. Senators and House members with Fiat/Chrysler/Dodge factories in their states.

I'm kinda surprised they haven't tried a too-big-to-fail federal bailout yet.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-30   9:31:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Tooconservative (#3)

I'm kinda surprised they haven't tried a too-big-to-fail federal bailout yet.

It's coming,bet on it. Fiat invented that business model.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-01-30   10:01:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: sneakypete (#4)

Fiat invented that business model.

I recall thinking that at the time. The Eye-ties figured out they could leapfrog into the American car market and count on Congress to rescue them if they failed.

Hey, it worked for Iacoca when he ran Chrysler into the ground.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-30   10:33:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Deckard (#0)

Yeah, we heard this same bullshit back in the '70s, when gas zoomed all the way to a buck a gallon.

Hank Rearden  posted on  2018-01-30   12:42:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Tooconservative (#5)

I recall thinking that at the time. The Eye-ties figured out they could leapfrog into the American car market and count on Congress to rescue them if they failed.

Hey, it worked for Iacoca when he ran Chrysler into the ground.

Not nearly as good as it did on the Italian government,though. The owners of Fiat may have been capitalists,but they had ALL the commies in their labor unions on their side any time they got into financial trouble.

I suppose there might be some way you could go bankrupt and have to close up shop in Italy,but I can't even guess at what it would be.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-01-30   14:03:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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