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Title: This Civil War - My South Carolina Tea Party Convention Speech
Source: SultanKnish
URL Source: https://sultanknish.blogspot.com/20 ... ar-my-south-carolina-tea.html?
Published: Jan 30, 2018
Author: Daniel Greenfield
Post Date: 2018-01-30 08:09:24 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 7158
Comments: 156


(The following is the speech that I delivered this Sunday at the South Carolina Tea Party Coalition Convention in Myrtle Beach. My appreciation to Joe Dugan and everyone involved in organizing it and making it a reality once again. And to Don Neuen and Donna Fiducia of Cowboy Logic Radio for the introduction. And to anyone and everyone still fighting the good fight.)

This is a civil war.

There aren’t any soldiers marching on Charleston… or Myrtle Beach. Nobody’s getting shot in the streets. Except in Chicago… and Baltimore, Detroit and Washington D.C.

But that’s not a civil war. It’s just what happens when Democrats run a city into the ground. And then they dig a hole in the ground so they can bury it even deeper.

If you look deep enough into that great big Democrat hole, you might even see where Jimmy Hoffa is buried.

But it’s not guns that make a civil war. It’s politics.

Guns are how a civil war ends. Politics is how it begins.

How do civil wars happen?

Two or more sides disagree on who runs the country. And they can’t settle the question through elections because they don’t even agree that elections are how you decide who’s in charge.

That’s the basic issue here. Who decides who runs the country? When you hate each other but accept the election results, you have a country. When you stop accepting election results, you have a countdown to a civil war.

I know you’re all thinking about President Trump.

He won and the establishment, the media, the democrats, rejected the results. They came up with a whole bunch of conspiracy theories to explain why he didn’t really win. It was the Russians. And the FBI. And sexism, Obama, Bernie Sanders and white people.

It’s easier to make a list of the things that Hillary Clinton doesn’t blame for losing the election. It’s going to be a short list.

A really short list. Herself.

The Mueller investigation is about removing President Trump from office and overturning the results of an election. We all know that. But it’s not the first time they’ve done this.

The first time a Republican president was elected this century, they said he didn’t really win. The Supreme Court gave him the election. There’s a pattern here.

Trump didn’t really win the election. Bush didn’t really win the election. Every time a Republican president won an election this century, the Democrats insist he didn’t really win.

Now say a third Republican president wins an election in say, 2024.

What are the odds that they’ll say that he didn’t really win? Right now, it looks like 100 percent.

What do sure odds of the Dems rejecting the next Republican president really mean? It means they don’t accept the results of any election that they don’t win.

It means they don’t believe that transfers of power in this country are determined by elections.

That’s a civil war.

There’s no shooting. At least not unless you count the attempt to kill a bunch of Republicans at a charity baseball game practice. But the Democrats have rejected our system of government.

This isn’t dissent. It’s not disagreement.

You can hate the other party. You can think they’re the worst thing that ever happened to the country. But then you work harder to win the next election. When you consistently reject the results of elections that you don’t win, what you want is a dictatorship.

Your very own dictatorship.

The only legitimate exercise of power in this country, according to the left, is its own. Whenever Republicans exercise power, it’s inherently illegitimate.

The attacks on Trump show that elections don’t matter to the left.

Republicans can win an election, but they have a major flaw. They’re not leftists.

That’s what the leftist dictatorship looks like.

The left lost Congress. They lost the White House. So what did they do? They began trying to run the country through Federal judges and bureaucrats.

Every time that a Federal judge issues an order saying that the President of the United States can’t scratch his own back without his say so, that’s the civil war.

Our system of government is based on the constitution, but that’s not the system that runs this country.

The left’s system is that any part of government that it runs gets total and unlimited power over the country.

If it’s in the White House, then the president can do anything. And I mean anything. He can have his own amnesty for illegal aliens. He can fine you for not having health insurance. His power is unlimited.

He’s a dictator.

But when Republicans get into the White House, suddenly the President can’t do anything. He isn’t even allowed to undo the illegal alien amnesty that his predecessor illegally invented.

A Democrat in the White House has “discretion” to completely decide every aspect of immigration policy. A Republican doesn’t even have the “discretion” to reverse him.

That’s how the game is played. That’s how our country is run.

When Democrats control the Senate, then Harry Reid and his boys and girls are the sane, wise heads that keep the crazy guys in the House in check.

But when Republicans control the Senate, then it’s an outmoded body inspired by racism.

When Democrats run the Supreme Court, then it has the power to decide everything in the country. But when Republicans control the Supreme Court, it’s a dangerous body that no one should pay attention to.

When a Democrat is in the White House, states aren’t even allowed to enforce immigration law. But when a Republican is in the White House, states can create their own immigration laws.

Under Obama, a state wasn’t allowed to go to the bathroom without asking permission. But under Trump, Jerry Brown can go around saying that California is an independent republic and sign treaties with other countries.

The Constitution has something to say about that.

Whether it’s Federal or State, Executive, Legislative or Judiciary, the left moves power around to run the country. If it controls an institution, then that institution is suddenly the supreme power in the land.

This is what I call a moving dictatorship.

There isn’t one guy in a room somewhere issuing the orders. Instead there’s a network of them. And the network moves around.

If the guys and girls in the network win elections, they can do it from the White House. If they lose the White House, they’ll do it from Congress. If they don’t have either one, they’ll use the Supreme Court.

If they don’t have either the White House, Congress or the Supreme Court, they’re screwed. Right?

Nope.

They just go on issuing them through circuit courts and the bureaucracy. State governments announce that they’re independent republics. Corporations begin threatening and suing the government.

There’s no consistent legal standard. Only a political one.

Under Obama, states weren’t allowed to enforce immigration laws. That was the job of the Federal government. And the states weren’t allowed to interfere with the job that the Feds weren’t doing.

Okay.

Now Trump comes into office and starts enforcing immigration laws again. And California announces it’s a sanctuary state and passes a law punishing businesses that cooperate with Federal immigration enforcement.

So what do we have here?

It’s illegal for states to enforce immigration law because that’s the province of the Federal government. But it’s legal for states to ban the Federal government from enforcing immigration law.

The only consistent pattern here is that the left decided to make it illegal to enforce immigration law.

It may do that sometimes under the guise of Federal power or states rights. But those are just fronts. The only consistent thing is that leftist policies are mandatory and opposing them is illegal.

Everything else is just a song and dance routine.

That’s how it works. It’s the moving dictatorship. It’s the tyranny of the network.

You can’t pin it down. There’s no one office or one guy. It’s a network of them. It’s an ideological dictatorship. Some people call it the deep state. But that doesn’t even begin to capture what it is.

To understand it, you have to think about things like the Cold War and Communist infiltration.

A better term than Deep State is Shadow Government.

Parts of the Shadow Government aren’t even in the government. They are wherever the left holds power. It can be in the non-profit sector and among major corporations. Power gets moved around like a New York City shell game. Where’s the quarter? Nope, it’s not there anymore.

The shadow government is an ideological network. These days it calls itself by a hashtag #Resistance. Under any name, it runs the country. Most of the time we don’t realize that. When things are normal, when there’s a Democrat in the White House or a bunch of Democrats in Congress, it’s business as usual.

Even with most Republican presidents, you didn’t notice anything too out of the ordinary. Sure, the Democrats got their way most of the time. But that’s how the game is usually played.

It’s only when someone came on the scene who didn’t play the game by the same rules, that the network exposed itself. The shadow government emerged out of hiding and came for Trump.

And that’s the civil war.

This is a war over who runs the country. Do the people who vote run the country or does this network that can lose an election, but still get its agenda through, run the country?

We’ve been having this fight for a while. But this century things have escalated.

They escalated a whole lot after Trump’s win because the network isn’t pretending anymore. It sees the opportunity to delegitimize the whole idea of elections.

Now the network isn’t running the country from cover. It’s actually out here trying to overturn the results of an election and remove the president from office.

It’s rejected the victories of two Republican presidents this century.

And if we don’t stand up and confront it, and expose it for what it is, it’s going to go on doing it in every election. And eventually Federal judges are going to gain enough power that they really will overturn elections.

It happens in other countries. If you think it can’t happen here, you haven’t been paying attention to the left.

Right now, Federal judges are declaring that President Trump isn’t allowed to govern because his Tweets show he’s a racist. How long until they say that a president isn’t even allowed to take office because they don’t like his views?

That’s where we’re headed.

Civil wars swing around a very basic question. The most basic question of them all. Who runs the country?

Is it me? Is it you? Is it Grandma? Or is it bunch of people who made running the government into their career?

America was founded on getting away from professional government. The British monarchy was a professional government. Like all professional governments, it was hereditary. Professional classes eventually decide to pass down their privileges to their kids.

America was different. We had a volunteer government. That’s what the Founding Fathers built.

This is a civil war between volunteer governments elected by the people and professional governments elected by… well… uh… themselves.

Of the establishment, by the establishment and for the establishment.

You know, the people who always say they know better, no matter how many times they screw up, because they’re the professionals. They’ve been in Washington D.C. politics since they were in diapers.

Freedom can only exist under a volunteer government. Because everyone is in charge. Power belongs to the people.

A professional government is going to have to stamp out freedom sooner or later. Freedom under a professional government can only be a fiction. Whenever the people disagree with the professionals, they’re going to have to get put down. That’s just how it is. No matter how it’s disguised, a professional government is tyranny.

Ours is really well disguised, but if it walks like a duck and locks you up like a duck, it’s a tyranny.

Now what’s the left.

Forget all the deep answers. The left is a professional government.

It’s whole idea is that everything needs to be controlled by a big central government to make society just. That means everything from your soda sizes to whether you can mow your lawn needs to be decided in Washington D.C.

Volunteer governments are unjust. Professional governments are fair. That’s the credo of the left.

Its network, the one we were just discussing, it takes over professional governments because it shares their basic ideas. Professional governments, no matter who runs them, are convinced that everything should run through the professionals. And the professionals are usually lefties. If they aren’t, they will be.

Just ask Mueller and establishment guys like him.

What infuriates professional government more than anything else? An amateur, someone like President Trump who didn’t spend his entire adult life practicing to be president, taking over the job.

President Trump is what volunteer government is all about.

When you’re a government professional, you’re invested in keeping the system going. But when you’re a volunteer, you can do all the things that the experts tell you can’t be done. You can look at the mess we’re in with fresh eyes and do the common sense things that President Trump is doing.

And common sense is the enemy of government professionals. It’s why Trump is such a threat.

A Republican government professional would be bad enough. But a Republican government volunteer does that thing you’re not supposed to do in government… think differently.

Professional government is a guild. Like medieval guilds. You can’t serve in if you’re not a member. If you haven’t been indoctrinated into its arcane rituals. If you aren’t in the club.

And Trump isn’t in the club. He brought in a bunch of people who aren’t in the club with him.

Now we’re seeing what the pros do when amateurs try to walk in on them. They spy on them, they investigate them and they send them to jail. They use the tools of power to bring them down.

That’s not a free country.

It’s not a free country when FBI agents who support Hillary take out an “insurance policy” against Trump winning the election. It’s not a free country when Obama officials engage in massive unmasking of the opposition. It’s not a free country when the media responds to the other guy winning by trying to ban the conservative media that supported him from social media. It’s not a free country when all of the above collude together to overturn an election because the guy who wasn’t supposed to win, won.

We’re in a civil war between conservative volunteer government and leftist professional government.

The pros have made it clear that they’re not going to accept election results anymore. They’re just going to make us do whatever they want. They’re in charge and we better do what they say.

That’s the war we’re in. And it’s important that we understand that.

Because this isn’t a shooting war yet. And I don’t want to see it become one.

And before the shooting starts, civil wars are fought with arguments. To win, you have to understand what the big picture argument is. It’s easy to get bogged down in arguments that don’t matter or won’t really change anything.

This is the argument that changes everything.

Do we have a government of the people and by the people? Or do we have a tyranny of the professionals?

The Democrats try to dress up this argument in leftist social justice babble. Those fights are worth having. But sometimes we need to pull back the curtain on what this is really about.

They’ve tried to rig the system. They’ve done it by gerrymandering, by changing the demographics of entire states through immigration, by abusing the judiciary and by a thousand different tricks.

But civil wars come down to an easy question. Who runs the country?

They’ve given us their answer and we need to give them our answer.

Both sides talk about taking back the country. But who are they taking it back for?

The left uses identity politics. It puts supposed representatives of entire identity groups up front. We’re taking the country back for women and for black people, and so on and so forth…

But nobody elected their representatives.

Identity groups don’t vote for leaders. All the black people in the country never voted to make Shaun King al Al Sharpton their representative. And women sure as hell didn’t vote for Hillary Clinton.

What we have in America is a representative government. A representative government makes freedom possible because it actually represents people, instead of representing ideas.

The left’s identity politics only represents ideas. Nobody gets to vote on them.

Instead the left puts out representatives from different identity politics groups, there’s your gay guy, there’s three women, there’s a black man, as fronts for their professional government system.

When they’re taking back the country, it’s always for professional government. It’s never for the people.

When conservatives fight to take back the country, it’s for the people. It’s for volunteer government the way that the Founding Fathers wanted it to be.

This is a civil war over whether the American people are going to govern themselves. Or are they going to be governed.

Are we going to have a government of the people, by the people and for the people… or are we going to have a government.

The kind of government that most countries have where a few special people decide what’s best for everyone.

We tried that kind of government under the British monarchy. And we had a revolution because we didn’t like it.

But that revolution was met with a counterrevolution by the left. The left wants a monarchy. It wants King Obama or Queen Oprah.

It wants to end government of the people, by the people and for the people. That’s what they’re fighting for. That’s what we’re fighting against. The stakes are as big as they’re ever going to get. Do elections matter anymore?

I live in the state of Ronald Reagan. I can go visit the Ronald Reagan Library any time I want to. But today California has one party elections. There are lots of elections and propositions. There’s all the theater of democracy, but none of the substance. Its political system is as free and open as the Soviet Union.

And that can be America.

The Trump years are going to decide if America survives. When his time in office is done, we’re either going to be California or a free nation once again.

The civil war is out in the open now and we need to fight the good fight. And we must fight to win.

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#1. To: All (#0)

Crap. I did close my centering tag on the video but it still screwed me.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-30   8:11:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Tooconservative (#0)

But civil wars come down to an easy question. Who runs the country?

I liked the article.

The way I put this exact same sentiment in so many of my posts is this: "The question is: Who is to be master? That is all."

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-01-30   8:42:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Vicomte13 (#2)

The speech itself had some good zingers, like what would happen if the illegals were considered likely to vote Republican, now or ever. Pretty funny stuff.

It was a good speech. The Tea folk seemed to enjoy it.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-30   9:09:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Vicomte13 (#2) (Edited)

He mentioned French immigrants to America not tending to vote Republican at around 00:14:30 - 00:15:15. I'm not so sure. Still, he's pretty academic generally so he must have some basis for the claim.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-30   9:25:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Tooconservative (#0)

It means they don’t believe that transfers of power in this country are determined by elections.

Two fallacies in the above sentence.

1:First off,today's Dim is a 2016 version of a 1917 Russian communist. THEY know this,but they also know they can't admit it in public,so they hide behind the title of "Democrat",which is something so far removed from their political beliefs it might as well be science fiction.

In FACT,they do NOT believe in transfers of power,period. This is so obvious Ray Charles could see it if he were still alive.

2: They DO believe in the illusion of elections,though. Not as much as the REALITY that the only elections they want held are ones they control and ones they get to nominate all the candidates,though. They are SERIOUS believers in THOSE elections.

Fact 3 is a bonus fact. PLEASE take note that the powers in the Dim Party now hate and fear Russia,after spending close to 100 years trying to BECOME Russia.

"Why is this?" some people might ask. The answer is simple. Russia overthrew communism at the EXACT same time the Dims finally got their second Communist president in the US White House,and they were all set to take over the world and run it as their private playground.

The first Communist US President was King FDR,of course. He was also the first President to have his wife as a co-President,and between the two of them they set the stage to destroy this country and turn it into another Communist Dictatorship.

To twist the knife in the backs of todays Dim Communists,they THOUGHT Bubba Bill was a dedicated follower of Marx,and once he got into office it was going to be "dachas and military units for personal bodyguards for EVERYONE that matters.

They quickly discovered he was only a dedicated follower of Bubba Bill. No more than a street whore,for rent to the highest bidder. His shrewish communist wife was a dedicated Communist believer at one time,but once she got a little actual power she became seduced by wealth and power to the exclusion of everything else.

Soooo. Here sits the American left,all dressed up with nowhere to go,and having to rely on their support team of politicial hacks like Sheila Jackson Lee,and even they are so old and senile they can't remember where they are half the time,never mind what they are supposed to say. Their regular "black field hands" like Jesse Jackson,Al Sharpton,and a few others are nowhere to be seen due to age,health and mental stability issues.

In short,they got nothing going for them other than the ignorant children graduating from public schools,and we all know that with the exception of the trust fund children and those who remain as academics,their fascination with leftism is going to disappear once they enter the job market and see how much of their income is taken for taxes and where and what it is spent on.

Sooooo,from what I see,they have written off the blacks now as nothing more than useful tool foot soldiers to create chaos while remaining in black neighborhoods so their gated communities are never at risk,and have "moved brown". The Dim/Communist leadership has realized they have lost the game forever unless they can import millions of illegal aliens into the country to fight their battles for them and to vote for them because these people are so ignorant politically and economically that they can still be convinced that "Communism is the wave of the future".

Not only that,but all the refugees coming here from south of the border are so used to being dominated by corrupt,thieving white people in power,they just accept it as being as normal as the sun rising in the east,so they will be no real threat to the white Dim Communist leadership.

It should be interesting to see what the blacks reaction will be once/if they realize they have been abandoned and relegated to 3rd world status BEHIND the 3rd world refugees coming here.

Donna Brazille seems to be one of the top tier blacks that got close enough to the top to come to understand that blacks would never really be anything other than domestic help to the Dim leadership,so it looks like she has abandoned the "Good Ship Slavery,Part 2".

Who will be next,and what are the odds she will suffer a "tragic accident" if she takes this much further?

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-01-30   9:50:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Tooconservative (#4)

He mentioned French immigrants to America not tending to vote Republican at around 00:14:30 - 00:15:15. I'm not so sure. Still, he's pretty academic generally so he must have some basis for the claim.

Most of the French immigrants coming here are the French upper crust that lived in the big cities like Paris,and they reflect the thinking of the French "new aristocrats" that made the political decisions that have destroyed France.

In other words,over-educated wealthy elites with trust funds,theories,and no actual experience. France will have to completely fall and turn into just another Shitstainistan before these pampered fools wake up and face the reality that facts always dominate theories.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-01-30   9:55:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: sneakypete (#5)

Great post. I can't nitpick much in it.

I think they're even more desperate to get the illegals naturalized and have them all bring 25 of their closest relatives here.

That black vote just isn't as strong now as it was for 0bama. The under-30 black segment has a surprising number of conservative and libertarian voters in it. If the economy stays strong and black unemployment continues to shrink, we'll see more move toward the GOP.

The black vote is generally significant when they can rely on it to deliver over 90% of all black votes to the Dems. If it falls even a bit, the Dems have lost it all.

And hence their desperation with the Dreamers and DACA. That's their next generation of voters. And without them, the Dems got nothing.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-30   10:41:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: sneakypete (#6)

they reflect the thinking of the French "new aristocrats" that made the political decisions that have destroyed France.

France is not "destroyed". It isn't even close to being destroyed. It's the number one tourist destination country in the world. People don't spend money to go take vacations in a burnt-out hell-hole.

The US isn't "destroyed" either.

There are places in France, and in the US, that are not so nice. They have a lot of things in common: concentrations of unhappy people with addiction problems (including alcohol addictions).

France and the US have chosen different paths on different things, but both paths work. It depends on what one values.

In France, people are more secure and generally more focused on family and close friendships; also food and drink.

In the US, things are more difficult in all of those regards, but generic consumerism is easier: consumer goods in general are cheaper in America.

France is far less religious than America, and the background religion, Catholicism, harangues its people less than American Protestantism harangues its faithful and unfaithful alike. So if you're one of those who sees the religious fervor of a nation as indicative of its health, then France would truly seem "destroyed" to you. Otherwise, no.

France isn't destroyed. It's a nice place to live.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-01-30   10:58:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Tooconservative (#1) (Edited)

When are the Bolshe.... excuse me, Zionists, going to recognize the Bolshe... excuse me, Communist, Holodomor as genocide?

[Ukrainian President calls on Israel to recognize Holodomor as genocide]
uawire.org/poroshenko-cal...o-recognize-holodomor-as- genocide

P.S. You and the Koch Bros can take your civil war and bolshove it. No Tea Party for You!

VxH  posted on  2018-01-30   11:21:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Tooconservative (#7)

And without them, the Dems got nothing.

Au contraire, the Democrats still have the Republicans as their opponents, which constantly acts as a resurrection machine for Democrat hopes.

The Republican problem is that it is dominated internally by a smallish number of plutocrats, and as the moneymen of the party, they hold vastly outsized influence when compared to their numbers. This drives the Republican agenda hard over into policies and positions that favor the rich economically, but also that modify - or erase - the social conservatism of the GOP rank and file. The majorty of Republicans identify themselves as "conservative", and expect conservative policies from the GOP, but the Republican plutocrats are socially liberal, and liberal on immigration. They're not Democrats because they Democrats will tax them a lot higher and will regulate them.

This causes the Republican party to constantly betray its voting base, to go limp, inert. It's not that Republican politicians are inept. It's that they are PAID by very liberal people who don't want to be taxed, but VOTED FOR by conservatives and religious conservatives who want their belief systems to be advanced. These two interests are antithetical, so the GOP is constantly blowing itself up with conservatives and libertarians and independents.

And that gives the Democrats a new lease on life every few years, even though Democrats suck and their policies, when actually implemented, don't work - witness Obamacare.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-01-30   11:23:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: sneakypete (#6)

Most of the French immigrants coming here are the French upper crust that lived in the big cities like Paris,and they reflect the thinking of the French "new aristocrats" that made the political decisions that have destroyed France.

Those the same intellectual-elite dirt bags who applauded when Pol Pot told them how he was going to apply what he learned at their university?

VxH  posted on  2018-01-30   11:26:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Tooconservative (#0)

But civil wars come down to an easy question. Who runs the country?

Certainly not the subsidized Zio-collectivist Neocon parrots screeching from their perch in New Bolostan.

VxH  posted on  2018-01-30   11:35:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Tooconservative (#4)

He mentioned French immigrants to America not tending to vote Republican

Of course French immigrants don't vote Republican!

The French believe in a strong and comprehensive social safety net; Republicans oppose that with every fiber of their being.

The French come from, and believe in, a secular state, a state where religion is separate from politics. Republicans openly vaunt religion, put up 10 Commandments in courthouses, etc. To the French, this is atavistic.

Republicans in America speak in very denigrating terms of the poor and of racial minorities. To French immigrants, the Republicans appear to be racists without a sense of social responsibility.

The Republican Party is not appealing to French people for these reasons.

I know many French immigrants through our social network here (the French stick together), and they are mostly Democrats, for precisely those reasons. My wife is no different in that regard.

I also know many Scandinavian immigrants here. They are not fans of Republicans either, for the same reasons.

French and Swedes are quite similar in their politics, but the French are more open to people of color than Scandinavians are.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-01-30   11:35:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: VxH (#11)

Those the same intellectual-elite dirt bags who applauded when Pol Pot told them how he was going to apply what he learned at their university?

Cambodia is a shit-hole on the other side of the world, part of old Indochina. And remember, the Indochinese drove the French out in a war that ended at Dien Bien Phu.

The French don't give a shit what happens to the Indochinese.

Not their circus anymore, not their monkey.

If Indochina slides into the ocean, oh well, what is it to the French?

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-01-30   11:37:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Vicomte13 (#14)

what is it to the French?

You mean other than your/their half-arsed aborted/still-birthed communist cluster frack?

VxH  posted on  2018-01-30   11:40:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Vicomte13 (#14)

Why don't you tell the class where Pol Pot, the Jesuit School boy, learned his tricks, comrade?

VxH  posted on  2018-01-30   11:41:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: sneakypete (#6)

In other words,over-educated wealthy elites with trust funds,theories,and no actual experience. France will have to completely fall and turn into just another Shitstainistan before these pampered fools wake up and face the reality that facts always dominate theories.

The French don't have trust funds. That's an Anglo-Saxon thing.

The elites run everything. They have all of the experience. The hoi-polloi have no experience running anything. Aristocratic government works, because aristocrats are better educated, smarter, generally healthier, and not subject to petty economic pressure that so easily corrupts those withoutmeans.

France is not falling, and isn't turning into a shitstain. Where do these ideas come from? "France doesn't do it our way, so therefore it MUST be failing?" Absurd. France does it its own way, and is succeeding on its terms about as well as America is.

Facts do dominate theories. There is this theory that France is falling apart and sinking because the French do not agree with many philosophical aspects of American civilization, and prefer their own. Fact is, France is working pretty well. Perfect? No. Neither is America perfect.

So, the theory that France is failing is the one that hits the buzzsaw of reality. The reality is that French-style socialism is a sustainable system that makes for a secure and reasonably happy people.

In other words, the French elite have governed the country pretty well, all in all. And if they don't, who will? Taxi drivers? Farmers? Factory workers? Bar owners? Who? Government is complex. It is the biggest business of all. To operate it well requires education, just like running any other big company - but the government dwarfs the GM's, GE's, Goldman Sachses and Apples of the world both in terms of size and payroll, and in revenue. Shall we have privates command the army, because generals and colonels are educated elites who went to top schools? Is education and intelligence a counter-indicator for running things?

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-01-30   11:46:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Vicomte13 (#14)

No? No parley voo Pol Pot?

VxH  posted on  2018-01-30   11:47:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: VxH (#15)

You mean other than your/their half-arsed aborted/still-birthed communist cluster frack?

Cambodia is an independent nation. It is not France's affair.

Pol Pot's killing fields are almost a half-century in the past, and France has been gone from Indochina for 64 years.

Not our circus, not our monkey.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-01-30   11:48:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: VxH (#18)

Pol Pot

Nobody cares. Literally, nobody.

Some bad things happened in Asia. Asians killed Asians a half century below. Very sad business.

What's for lunch?

This has no relevancy to modern France or the modern world.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-01-30   11:49:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: VxH (#9)

P.S. You and the Koch Bros can take your civil war and bolshove it. No Tea Party for You!

The Kochs want me to relay that they are very disappointed in your unconstructive attitude.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-30   11:49:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Vicomte13 (#17) (Edited)

The elites run everything.

LOL. How's Euro Disney "running" these days in gay Paree?

As I recall the "elite" programmer tasked with implementing FastPass there couldn't code his way out of a wet paper bag... in between vacation days.

VxH  posted on  2018-01-30   11:50:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: VxH (#16)

Why don't you tell the class where Pol Pot, the Jesuit School boy, learned his tricks, comrade?

Nobody cares. It doesn't matter. It's ancient history. It was on another continent under a different French Republic.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-01-30   11:51:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Vicomte13 (#19)

It is not France's affair.

Who indoctinated him you commie piece of frog dung?

Your "elite" French - that's who.

But taking responsibility for your Marxist-Jesuit craftsmanship has never been your forte. Leaving piles of colonial shyte all over the planet for others to clean up - THAT's what you're good at.

VxH  posted on  2018-01-30   11:54:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: VxH (#22)

LOL. How's Euro Disney "running" these days in gay Paree?

As well as the Disney Corporation runs it, I'd expect.

Disney chose to build there, and it's the number one tourist destination in France.

Mismanagement, by Disney and its affiliates, has cost the company quite a bit of money over the years.

Not sure what this has to do with France, exactly. EuroDisney is not run by the French government.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-01-30   11:56:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: VxH (#24)

Leaving piles of colonial shyte all over the planet for others to clean up - THAT's what you're good at.

Pol Pot was doing his thing during the AMERICAN war in Vietnam. The French were out of Indochina in 1954, driven out by war. Pol Pot is not France's responsibility. Not their circus, not their monkey.

American activity destabilized Cambodia and brought it down. France was already gone for nearly two decades when that happened.

Central America has been America's neo-colonial empire - Mexico, Nicaragua, Honduras, Cuba. Americans have handled their imperial affairs so very well that America is filling up with Hispanics flooding out of those countries that the US's tender mercies have fucked up.

But even if Pol Pot were somehow France's fault, who cares? It's ancient history.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-01-30   12:00:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Tooconservative, Vicomte13 (#7) (Edited)

I think they're even more desperate to get the illegals naturalized and have them all bring 25 of their closest relatives here....

And hence their desperation with the Dreamers and DACA. That's their next generation of voters. And without them, the Dems got nothing.

Yup.

And if THAT demographic chain-migration disaster and future electoral tsunami actually happens to that degree, it takes no Einstein to do the math; There will no longer be a "USA."

Despite Vic's "they-are-Christian" spin, these Central American/Mexicans are "Christian" in name only. They convey "Christian" values in name only. Their very first act in this country is ILLEGALLY trespassing.

Their second+ acts are STEALING American taxpayer dollars, resources, institutions, and even OUR CONSENT as they illegally vote. They are serial law-breakers. This cannot be denied.

We note exactly what their goal is: "RECONQUISTA."

Liberator  posted on  2018-01-30   12:00:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: VxH (#22)

As I recall the "elite" programmer

Computer programmers are service people, employees. They are not part of the elite.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-01-30   12:01:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: VxH (#24)

you commie

I'm Catholic, not Communist.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-01-30   12:02:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Vicomte13 (#26)

Pol Pot is not France's responsibility.

Nothing is France's responsibility.

It's what you're good at.

VxH  posted on  2018-01-30   12:05:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Liberator (#27)

Yup.

And if THAT demographic chain-migration disaster and future electoral tsunami actually happens to that degree, it takes no Einstein to do the math; There will no longer be a "USA."

Despite Vic's "they-are-Christian" spin, these Central American/Mexicans are "Christian" in name only. They convey "Christian" values in name only.

And the Republicans have held the Supreme Court since 1969, the White House for 21 of the last 37 years.

Today, they control all three branches of government and 35 states.

And they do nothing, block everything.

Latinos come for opportunity. The government - the REPUBLICAN government - does nothing to stop them. All the Republicans do is throw out words - boob bait for Bubbas - to mask their inaction.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-01-30   12:06:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: VxH (#30)

Nothing is France's responsibility.

It's what you're good at.

France is France's responsibility, and France is doing just fine. Not perfect. Human life is never perfect. But well nevertheless.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-01-30   12:06:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Vicomte13 (#29) (Edited)

I'm Catholic, not Communist.

How them "beautiful" Commie reductions running down in Paraguay these days - COMRADE?

VxH  posted on  2018-01-30   12:07:43 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Vicomte13 (#31)

The government - the REPUBLICAN government - does nothing to stop them. All the Republicans do is throw out words

Yet they all vote Democrat

no gnu taxes  posted on  2018-01-30   12:09:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Vicomte13 (#32)

France is doing just fine

Sure. Whatever you say Comrade Inspector Cleuseu...


FAIL

VxH  posted on  2018-01-30   12:12:47 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Vicomte13 (#31)

And they do nothing, block everything.

Catholics gave us abortion and roe vs wade.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-01-30   12:12:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: VxH (#33)

Paraguay?

Who cares?

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-01-30   12:15:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Vicomte13 (#28)

They are not part of the elite.

Which "elite" bailed out Disney's Paris clusterfrack after the local "elite" (and their local employees) demonstrated they weren't up to the task of cleaning up their own Pol Poo, again?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/10096818/Saudi-Prince- spends-millions-on-closing-off-part-of-Disneyland-for-private-party.html

VxH  posted on  2018-01-30   12:19:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Vicomte13 (#31) (Edited)

And the Republicans have held the Supreme Court since 1969, the White House for 21 of the last 37 years.

Today, they control all three branches of government and 35 states.

And they do nothing, block everything.

If any party "does nothing" or "blocks everything," it is the DEMOCRAT, aka COMMUNIST PARTY. Wanna discuss that??

Look -- Republicans may be lousy defenders of America as well as of Conservatism and the Constitution BUT tell me -- just what have DEMOCRATS done to preserve instead of nothing but destroy?

What the Republicans ARE responsible for is anything and everything worthy, constructive, moral, and constitutional. Left to Democrats and the US would have already turned into a fascist bloodbath and either Commie Zimbabwe of Stalin's USSR.

Yes, for a relative FLASH in history, Republicans have controlled the gubmint. Time enough to re-shuffle papers before the mid-terms.

Now tell me -- exactly what would America look like WITHOUT Republicans holding whatever fort is left?

And why don't you blame Dems for ANY-thing??

Latinos come for opportunity. The government - the REPUBLICAN government - does nothing to stop them. All the Republicans do is throw out words - boob bait for Bubbas - to mask their inaction.

They come as UNINVITED illegal invaders, usurpers, plunderers, and criminals. PERIOD.

Republicans are THE only thing standing in the way of the entire continent of South America, Mexico and several Muzzie nation crashing our shores. How can you be so deluded and naive??

Liberator  posted on  2018-01-30   12:20:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Liberator (#39)

And why don't you blame Dems for ANY-thing??

He is a democrat that is why. To his credit he is pro life to a small degree. He would vote for democrats only if they were pro life.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-01-30   12:22:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Vicomte13 (#17)

France is not falling, and isn't turning into a shitstain.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-01-30   12:24:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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