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Title: WATCH: Trump Brings Back “Forbidden” Border Patrol Practice Obama Hated, Liberals Outraged
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Mad World News
URL Source: http://madworldnews.com/trump-border-patrol-practice-obama/
Published: Jan 25, 2018
Author: Dan Lindsey
Post Date: 2018-01-26 23:38:17 by Gatlin
Keywords: None
Views: 5108
Comments: 70
It’s no secret that U.S. Border Patrol agents had their hands tied behind their backs for nearly eight years while former President Barack Obama was in office. Illegal immigration hit record highs, and the morale of our Border Patrol agents suffered greatly due to the devastating policies put in place by the Obama administration. Now that President Trump is giving the Border Patrol the power to do its job again, liberals are furious. According to Fox News, a viral video that shows U.S. Border Patrol agents boarding a Greyhound bus in Florida and asking for proof of citizenship has sparked liberal outrage across social media. Many of the ignorant snowflakes felt that the rights of the bus passengers were violated and said that the Border Patrol agents had no right to ask bus passengers for I.D. They could not have been more wrong. The incident reportedly took place on Friday, January 19, 2018, on a Greyhound bus in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. The bus was stopped by a team of hard-working Border Patrol agents who boarded the bus and began asking passengers for proof of citizenship. Immediately, people on the bus began recording the incident as if they were witnessing some kind of human rights violation. Quickly, people on the bus began reacting dramatically. One woman could be heard saying, “This is new,” while another woman responded, “This is the first time,” when asked if she had experienced an immigration checkpoint on a bus before. As the clip continues, another woman who did not have proof of citizenship was escorted off the bus by Border Patrol agents and detained, according to CBS News. Millions of viewers on social media have since seen the video, and of course, many echoed the ignorant blithering of some of the bus passengers who felt their rights were being violated by this “new” practice. In reality, Border Patrol agents have been conducting immigration checkpoints on public transportation for decades. Because the practice was forbidden under the Obama administration, people recently assumed it was some new cruel tactic. It’s so typical of liberals to run at the mouth without checking their facts first. Many who have seen the video claim that the Border Patrol agents violated the Fourth Amendment rights of passengers, which prohibits unreasonable search and seizure. If they had taken the time to research our laws, they would find that the Border Patrol is allowed to operate immigration checkpoints and conduct spot checks with probable cause within a 100-mile zone that runs along the border of the contiguous United States. The entire state of Florida falls within the 100-zone in which the Border Patrol is permitted to conduct these immigration enforcement tactics. “It’s a traditional enforcement tactic,” Jessica Vaughan, director of policy studies for the Center for Immigration Studies, told Fox News. “It’s long known that smugglers often use public transportation like buses for their trade.” She added, “Sometimes they are based on leads. Sometimes they conduct random checkpoints. It’s a deterrent. It’s like a speed trap, and it does result in the public being safer.” Vaughan also said that in past years, Greyhound and other transport services would typically work with the Border Patrol to help combat smugglers using coach service to move illegal immigrants across the country. Vaughan noted that the Trump administration is credited with giving Border Patrol agents the go-ahead to resume conducting these practices. “This is something that the Obama administration shut down because they believed that it made people feel uncomfortable,” she said. “And, now, we’re seeing a return to this under the Trump administration. This is good law enforcement that is legitimate and effective. It’s a good way to catch smugglers and is a significant deterrent.” Our Border Patrol agents could not be thanked enough for the tremendous job they are doing. The fact of the matter is that liberals shut down our immigration enforcement activities for years so that they could flood our country with illegals and increase their voting base to undermine our Democracy. Thank God, President Donald Trump is putting a stop to this and that we have Border Patrol agents who are willing to do this extremely difficult and dangerous job.
(1 image) Liberals are outraged over video footage that has emerged out of Florida, where a team of U.S. Border Patrol agents was recorded performing a previously “forbidden” practice that former President Barack Obama hated, and we could not be more proud of President Donald Trump for bringing it back. 
President Donald Trump (left), Border Patrol Agent (middle), Barack Obama (right) (Photo Credits: WhiteHouse.gov, YouTube/TLE TV/CNN)
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#31. To: ALL (#27)
BTW,in the interest of full-disclosure, I knew and was friends with an illegal alien from Portugal from the time of my birth until he died in the 1980's. AFAIK,nobody knew,or really cared why he did it,but what he did was known to everyone locally. He dived off of a ship passing by close to the Atlantic coast on it's way to Norfolk Va,and swam ashore in the US in the early 1920's. His name was Manual Sandavol,and he never did learn to speak good English. Or teach me how to speak ANY Portuguese. In fact,he spoke no English at all when he swam ashore and was picked up by local haul sein fishermen. That was a remote area at the time,with no paved roads or even bridges. If you wanted to travel to the city to shop,you rode in a boat to the mainland and caught a bus or train. His language skills were never a real problem,though. It was a small community where everyone fished for a living,and being Portuguese,small boats and fishing from them was no mystery to him. He ended up building a little house,fathering a few children,and earning his way until he was too old and crippled to work. Somehow or other,probably with the help of a local state representative, he ended up with the paperwork to become a citizen so he could pay taxes and retire on SS. AFAIK,nobody ever knew why he fled Portugal and never went back and even refused to talk about the country or life there,but MY opinion was he had some problems with the government there and was running for his life. He never once mentioned what town he was from,if he had any relatives,etc,etc,etc,and nobody really cared. LOTS of people showed up for his funeral,though. His name was Manuel,but everybody always called him "Hap" because he was always happy and laughing or smiling. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Instead of fear mongering, why not suggest a method that's as effective, and satisfies you constitutional scholar mind. I'll be waiting for your ideas... I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
You are correct. They should have NONE. They have the right to expect to not be shot on sight,and to be treated humanely once caught. We are not barbarians. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
I hear ya. As you note this is an issue, THE issue that is utterly wrong and bizarre. But not to Statists. Has it been discerned just why this has become US policy when illegal invaders are swarming in the open in Illegal Sanctuary Cities and States? Is it just to appease Democrats and GOPe Globalists? This is another ridiculous policy of the Dubya-0bama regimes that Trump needs to address ASAP.
You live in a fantasy world. No Americans have lost rights just because of where they live. The cops have the right to stop anyone they want at any time to ask for their ID's. That's what cops do. It's why they are hired. Just because it might happen more often closer to the border doesn't change anything. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Just like you would, were one of them helping himself to a beer from your fridge, lying on your couch? Tell us how "humanely" you'd treat them.
LE has the "right" to stop anyone they believe is about to cause harm, break the law, disturb the peace, or jeopardize the safety of the citizenry. PERIOD. They are not Gestapo. LAW ENFORCEMENT and deterrence is their job.
If you are just walking down the sidewalk and not breaking the law, you aren't required to have any ID on you. As soon as you drive a car or board mass transit or try to enter a federal courthouse, the courts back the police on being able to demand ID at the police's discretion. I don't recommend people wander around without ID but there may be times when this is useful info. For instance, if you put on trunks and go to the beach or pool for a quick swim, maybe you don't want to carry ID on you.
Interesting story, petey. We have a local guy they call "Happy". He never smiles.
But...but...according to Pete ("The cops have the right to stop anyone they want at any time to ask for their ID's"), and probably Gatlin and Misterwhite, THAT is enough to detain or even arrest you... So I reckon the new best invention is the new craze -- the tubular Azz-Wallet ®.
Forgot to ping the both of you.
In some states they have laws that require you to carry identification. I always thought those laws were crap.
They are crap. The Court tolerates a limited amount of them. Wiki covers the basics pretty well, including the all-important phrase: "Am I free to go?".
As long as there is no cause for reasonable suspicion that you're about to commit a crime.
Law enforcement needs reasonable suspicion to detain you.
If they have reasonable cause to suspect you are committing a crime, they don't need to talk or ask for ID. And they can't do anything if they only suspect that "you're about to commit a crime".
Forgot to ping the both of you . SCOTUS upheld state laws [Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada] that required people to show identity when LEOs have “reasonable suspicion” to believe criminal activity is/was involved in any way. It is these “stop-and-identify” statutes that permit LEOs to arrest criminal suspects who refuse to identify themselves. At last count almost half of the states had “stop-and-identify” laws. Regardless of any law, LEOs can never compel you to identify yourself without “reasonable suspicion” to believe you are, or have been, involved in illegal activity. Remember however that “reasonable suspicion” is a vague legal standard.
Why did the President ask congress to act on DACA? He must know that they can't enforce the law and deport illegal aliens, that's his job as head of the executive branch. He's openly offering to give congress DACA amnesty in exchange for some pieces of a wall and changes in chain migration and the visa lotery. It's very clear that he has no intention of enforcing existing immigration law and deporting the DACA illegal aliens, since he hasn't done so in over a year, but has instead given them sanctuary. Uhhh,he is a President,not a dictator. Presidents DO NOT write laws,dummy. Congress does. I mean that the Trump administration's policy of giving out phoney DACA visas is no different than Obama's and that they're both providing sanctuary for illegal aliens instead of enforcing existing immigration law and deporting them. Both Obama and Trump seem to think that there DACA policy overrides existing immigration law, and the constitutional mandate to protect the States against invasion. They offer sanctuary to the invaders while ignoring the law that says that illegal aliens shall be deported. I said ASKS congress, trumptard! Obama and Trump seem to think they do write laws however, with their phoney DACA sanctuary orders. As long as there is no cause for reasonable suspicion that you're about to commit a crime. What country do you live in? Let's see. You're walking down a residential street at 3:00 am where there has been a recent string of burglaries. You're wearing black and carrying a black canvas bag. I would say that the police have reasonable suspicion to conduct a Terry Stop, wouldn't you?
I would say that the police have reasonable suspicion to conduct a Terry Stop, wouldn't you? I'm not sure. Am I a black man or not? No, I don't think that alone is enough for probable cause. Maybe GrandIsland can tell us. NY state has had a lot of cases with high-profile legal talent.
Yes... that's ample, provided there's been an increase of crime in the area. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Also, at that hour, in a neighborhood where it's odd to see someone walking, it's even ok to briefly stop and talk to the person to see if they are all right, lost or in need of any assistance. From that brief encounter, you can judge suspicion further, based on their answer. You also have to take in consideration, that if the officers patrol that area often, maybe even LIVE in that area, they can judge suspicion where the average LF poster might not see it. That's what I've always said about the "cop" debates. SO MUCH WE DON'T KNOW... and some of these articles are poorly written on purpose. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
You can't be serious about trying to compare someone just walking down the street to a home invader. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
LE has the "right" to stop anyone they believe is about to cause harm, break the law, disturb the peace, or jeopardize the safety of the citizenry. PERIOD. Which is essentially the same thing I wrote. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
The do,you dumb ass. They just don't have the right to arrest you if you don't have any ID unless you are driving. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Or there is reason to believe you just committed a crime. They have the right to detain you until they can determine your identity. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
So,suddenly Trump is Obama? Have you splained this theory to the Dims? In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
That's because they're clickbait. The clickbaitier they are, the more they build the publisher's brand, the more likely they can make ad money or live off Patreon or monetize some YouTube vids. Good points on practical policing.
I once stopped to talk to a fellow, one morning, walking between the fog line and the ditch of a state road. Was a little odd to see someone walking. Once I started to talk to him, it appeared as though he was intoxicated. I automatically assumed he had a vehicle in a ditch somewhere, down the road, behind him. He was slurring his words and made no sense to my questions. I could not smell alcoholic beverage on his breath. I then began to assume high on drugs. He was so disoriented, I transported him the the local hospital, asked for a back up car to respond to the area and locate a possible car. Once at the hospital, I was advised that he had a stroke. The back story was later found out, he had a domestic with his woman that morning, at her house. Walked away from the house, down the road. Suffered a stroke while walking. Then I came along. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
A cop never knows what he'll find when he goes to work.
Are we ... black? "No, I don't think that alone is enough for probable cause." A Terry Stop only requires reasonable suspicion. And I believe a reasonable person would determine a "stop and talk" is in order.
Okay.
Why not? Aren't they BOTH "invaders" of one's sovereign space? What's the difference, whether it's your nation, state, town, block...AND home? They are ILLEGAL INVADERS. Poachers. Are you changing your mind about "treating them humanely" when caught in your living room? Or does your "treat-them-humanely" rule apply to your property as well? I'm trying you figure out at just what level of acceptance that you are willing to accept the invasion your sovereignty.
Liberator: "LE has the "right" to stop anyone they believe is about to cause harm, break the law, disturb the peace, or jeopardize the safety of the citizenry. PERIOD." Pete: "Which is essentially the same thing I wrote." No it's not quite. You claimed that cops have the right to stop and detain they want at any time. I applied conditions and just reasons.
Ok, THAT'S a condition or cause. If sitting in your own home or you're walking outside your house, or in many cases, they do not have any right to ID you without due cause. The 4A still applies -- even IF you and many others here don't seem to believe it does.
Of course they do. "REASONABLE SUSPICION." LE as well as the courts have broadened this definition to absurd degrees, as well as the definition of "resisting arrest" or any number of nebulous, dubious charges. THAT said, Illegal Invaders are breaking laws in broad daylight, and LE is ORDERED NOT to detain, arrest, OR prosecute. This makes LE look weak. VERY weak. And hypocritical.
Because he is trying to make them own this decision. He is cornering them to take the fall either way. Heads he wins; tail they lose. He [Trump] must know that they can't enforce the law and deport illegal aliens, that's his job as head of the executive branch. Congress DOES certainly have the authority to deport the Illegal Invaders, cut off ALL financial support, AND prosecute employers who hire illegals. EO are the last resorts when Congress is too feckless or decides enmass to abandon their oaths and support unconstitutional, illegal subsidizing of dangerous parasites and illegal invaders. He's openly offering to give congress DACA amnesty in exchange for some pieces of a wall and changes in chain migration and the visa lotery. It's very clear that he has no intention of enforcing existing immigration law and deporting the DACA illegal aliens, since he hasn't done so in over a year, but has instead given them sanctuary. Trump is negotiating a compromise. IF POSSIBLE. Trump cannot do everything via EO. The GOPe is joining hands with the Dems. Do you understand this? Whatever he does stops the hemorrhaging that's gone on since Dubya rolled out the Red Carpet. Do you also understand this? Take the half-full glass. Gladly. Because with Hitlery, 0bama, GOPe/McCain-types, that glass would be bone-dry.
Why not? Aren't they BOTH "invaders" of one's sovereign space? What's the difference, whether it's your nation, state, town, block...AND home? They are ILLEGAL INVADERS. Poachers. Are you changing your mind about "treating them humanely" when caught in your living room? Or does your "treat-them-humanely" rule apply to your property as well? I'm trying you figure out at just what level of acceptance that you are willing to accept the invasion your sovereignty. Ok,thank you for self-identifying yourself as a mindless fool. You are a professional idiot,so I will treat you like one. Quit listening to your deranged mind when it tells you I said something I didn't say. It's deranged. Get someone to explain that to you. Or,as an alternative,you can just ESAD. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
#32. To: Deckard (#29)
#33. To: Deckard (#30)
HUH?? The Illegal invaders incredibly ARE given MANY constitutional protections.
#34. To: Deckard (#29)
The point is that the rights of law-abiding American citizens are being violated simply because they live within a magical 100-mile zone where the fourth amendment doesn't apply.
#35. To: Deckard (#29)
The point is that the rights of law-abiding American citizens are being violated simply because they live within a magical 100-mile zone where the fourth amendment doesn't apply.
#36. To: sneakypete (#33)
(Edited)
They have the right to expect to not be shot on sight,and to be treated humanely once caught.
#37. To: sneakypete (#35)
The cops have the right to stop anyone they want at any time to ask for their ID's. That's what cops do. It's why they are hired.
#38. To: sneakypete (#35)
The cops have the right to stop anyone they want at any time to ask for their ID's.
#39. To: sneakypete (#31)
His name was Manuel,but everybody always called him "Hap" because he was always happy and laughing or smiling.
#40. To: Tooconservative, sneakypete (#38)
(Edited)
For instance, if you put on trunks and go to the beach or pool for a quick swim, maybe you don't want to carry ID on you.
#41. To: Gatlin, misterwhite (#40)
#42. To: Tooconservative (#38)
#43. To: A K A Stone (#42)
I always thought those laws were crap.
#44. To: Tooconservative (#38)
If you are just walking down the sidewalk and not breaking the law, you aren't required to have any ID on you.
#45. To: Liberator (#40)
#46. To: misterwhite (#44)
As long as there is no cause for reasonable suspicion that you're about to commit a crime.
#47. To: Liberator (#41)
To: Gatlin, misterwhite
#48. To: Liberator (#24)
How many more times will you be wrong, Hondo?
DACA Shithole Dreamers - Make America Great Again?
#49. To: sneakypete (#8)
You mean Trump was at the border signing them up?
DACA Shithole Dreamers - Make America Great Again?
#50. To: misterwhite (#44)
If you are just walking down the sidewalk and not breaking the law, you aren't required to have any ID on you.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#51. To: Tooconservative (#46)
And they can't do anything if they only suspect that "you're about to commit a crime".
#52. To: misterwhite, GrandIsland (#51)
Let's see. You're walking down a residential street at 3:00 am where there has been a recent string of burglaries. You're wearing black and carrying a black canvas bag.
#53. To: Tooconservative (#52)
Let's see. You're walking down a residential street at 3:00 am where there has been a recent string of burglaries. You're wearing black and carrying a black canvas bag.
#54. To: Tooconservative (#52)
#55. To: Liberator (#36)
Just like you would, were one of them helping himself to a beer from your fridge, lying on your couch? Tell us how "humanely" you'd treat them.
#56. To: Liberator (#37)
The cops have the right to stop anyone they want at any time to ask for their ID's. That's what cops do. It's why they are hired.
#57. To: Liberator (#40)
But...but...according to Pete ("The cops have the right to stop anyone they want at any time to ask for their ID's"),
#58. To: misterwhite (#44)
As long as there is no cause for reasonable suspicion that you're about to commit a crime.
#59. To: hondo68 (#49)
I mean that the Trump administration's policy of giving out phoney DACA visas is no different than Obama's and that they're both providing sanctuary for illegal aliens instead of enforcing existing immigration law and deporting them.
#60. To: GrandIsland (#54)
That's what I've always said about the "cop" debates. SO MUCH WE DON'T KNOW... and some of these articles are poorly written on purpose.
#61. To: Tooconservative (#60)
#62. To: GrandIsland (#61)
The back story was later found out, he had a domestic with his woman that morning, at her house. Walked away from the house, down the road. Suffered a stroke while walking. Then I came along.
#63. To: Tooconservative (#52)
I'm not sure. Am I a black man or not?
#64. To: misterwhite (#63)
#65. To: sneakypete (#55)
You can't be serious about trying to compare someone just walking down the street to a home invader.
#66. To: sneakypete (#56)
Pete: "The cops have the right to stop anyone they want at any time to ask for their ID's. That's what cops do. It's why they are hired.
#67. To: sneakypete (#57)
They just don't have the right to arrest you if you don't have any ID unless you are driving.
#68. To: misterwhite, Gatlin, Deckard (#45)
Law enforcement needs reasonable suspicion to detain you.
#69. To: hondo68 (#48)
Why did the President ask congress to act on DACA?
#70. To: Liberator (#65)
(Edited)
You can't be serious about trying to compare someone just walking down the street to a home invader.
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