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Title: THE ETHICAL TROUBLE WITH LEGISLATING MORALITY
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Published: Jan 26, 2018
Author: David Trillo,
Post Date: 2018-01-26 14:14:18 by tpaine
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THE ETHICAL TROUBLE WITH LEGISLATING MORALITY

by David Trillo,

“You can’t legislate morality!” Few colloquial expressions depend more upon connotation than does this short, forceful proclamation of liberty. And because it asserts liberty, few colloquialisms have weathered such a long, sustained, unrelenting campaign to discredit it, refute it and extinguish it from American parlance.

Most everyone knows what the expression means. It means that we don’t, or shouldn’t, legislate moral beliefs based solely in tradition or religious beliefs. Unfortunately, people and groups who wish to do exactly that have been attacking this axiom of freedom ever since. Here I will explore one way that the phrase is attacked, and I will answer that while putting morality and ethics into clearer perspective. I will explain why legislating morality is bad and wrong.

Wrong. Was that a value judgment?

Perhaps the most common counter-claim is “every law legislates morality,” therefore “you must legislate morality.” Those who argue that we cannot escape legislating morality typically list murder and theft as common examples, but they sometimes go farther, asserting that even speed limits and no-smoking areas are legislation of morality.

One’s first reaction to these might be a sharp, involuntary gasp at what looks like an absurd word game meant to cloud the obvious issue, or to make bedroom laws sound as legitimate as homicide laws. It would be a mistake, however, to miss an opportunity to examine morals, ethics, and the purposes of legislation.

Laws against murder, theft, speeding and running red lights exist to protect public safety, and to provide security in one’s person and property. They are not enacted out of a belief that it’s a religious or moral sin to roll through a stop sign.

Though the words “morals” and “ethics” are sometimes used interchangeably, their connotations, i.e., their implied meanings are often different.

The familiar implied definition of “morals” was not lost on Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia when his dissent in Lawrence v. Texas3 forebodingly lamented that overturning Texas’ sodomy laws – and all similar laws – “decrees the end of all morals legislation. If, as the Court asserts, the promotion of majoritarian sexual morality is not even a legitimate state interest, none of the above-mentioned laws can survive rational-basis review.4”

Scalia clearly understood the connotation behind “legislating morality,” legislating citizens’ private consenting behavior, usually related to sexuality. He clearly was not saying that the Lawrence decision would put an end to all laws against murder, theft, rape, or speeding.

Thank you, Mr. Scalia for getting us back on topic. Laws against murder and other public safety concerns are not examples of “legislating morality.”

“Ethics,” on the other hand, connote behavior or conduct as it affects, helps, or harms other people. Murder, theft, fraud, false advertising, willful environmental pollution, and slander are clearly questions of ethics. To a considerable extent, we do legislate ethics because of their relevance to safety and security.

These basic ethical principles are integral to human social nature, and are discovered naturally by most all people who grow up and develop normally. We learn, through empathy and through the bitter experience of having it done to us, that it’s wrong to go around lying, cheating, stealing things or beating people up. A natural sense of right and wrong is the inevitable product of an intelligent social species whose members must at once cooperate, co-exist, and compete.

It is therefore not surprising that these tenets, as well as treating others as we like to be treated, are teachings common to virtually all world religions and philosophies.

The Christian faith describes these ethics as “written on our hearts” (Romans 2:14-15), and notes that to love your neighbor (James 2:8) and not harming them (Romans 13:10) fulfill the spirit of the law. The Affirmations of Humanism state that ethical principles can be discovered5 and tested by observing their consequences. From culture to culture, these universal principles are exalted in words and ideals, if not always in deeds.

I describe these universals as “values that you can explain to someone else’s child, regardless of race or culture.”

It’s interesting that, when political activists talk of promoting moral values, they are rarely referring to these universal ethics. What they strive to legislate instead are, more accurately, social customs — many of which seem, to me, arbitrary and sometimes even harmful, but which have been retained and perpetuated by cultural reinforcement alone, often through the teachings of religions.

You can explain to anyone’s child why murder and stealing are wrong. It’s not so easy, on the other hand, to explain to a child raised in a primitive aboriginal (or advanced northern European) culture that nudity or non-marital sex is wrong. “Why,” the child asks. “Well, it just is! It isn’t proper!” you plead. You soon discover that you’re getting nowhere fast, and the explanation is actually easy:

Such moral beliefs are rooted in inherited cultural customs rather than universal human social nature. It is impossible to communicate these ideas by appealing to universal ethics. They are subjective in my secular view, having little justification apart from habit, convention or tradition. As Antonin Scalia appears to note, they cannot survive rational basis review alone.

I do understand and appreciate that devout religious believers consider their doctrines to be stipulations of fact. But to accept a faith’s teachings as fact, one must first adopt the faith itself – and as anyone experienced in Christian apologetics knows, convincing a person of a different or no religion (or a critical thinker) of the faith’s factual basis is practically impossible. The believer must accept on faith that its teachings are fact.

It is perhaps because of this difficulty of convincing others, by reason alone, of deeply held traditional beliefs that political force is so often sought to enforce these conventions. That feeling of powerlessness to persuade others, rationally, to accept one’s own deeply held moral beliefs, tempts some to resort to legal force — which is, after all, a standing threat of physical force.

It is because legislation amounts to a codified threat of physical force and punishment that makes the legislation of non-universal “opinion morals” ethically wrong. It is little better than threatening your neighbors with violence because you don’t like how they live. It may follow an orderly pattern of due process and appear to inherit the legitimacy lent by state sanctioned authority, but it is base aggression nonetheless – hardly in keeping with the Golden Rule, or with the Christian faith’s teaching to live in peace with those around us.

There’s a more serious reason why legislating these morals is harmful and wrong, however. These moral opinions, particularly sexual opinions, have a curious way of being quickly blown out of proportion, and being so wildly exaggerated, that grave ethical priorities such as public safety and peace get pushed aside – both in the importance that we give to each, and the amount of public resources that we invest in them. Police that could be working the gang unit are deployed to “vice” instead. When being an unwed mother is considered worse than shoplifting, when otherwise rational and sane Americans begin seriously predicting the end of the world, catastrophic disasters, or the collapse of our nation because a few people might skinny-dip co-ed or marry their own gender, then, in my opinion, we have a “proportion and perspective” problem.

One of the most extreme examples of how a culture’s obsession with “sexual morality” can actually corrupt a culture’s ethical compass is given in the stories of Middle Eastern “honor killings” where family members kill their own daughters caught violating “sexual laws.”

We see something similar but milder coming from some members of American culture. We heard, in the hurting days immediately after the 9/11 attacks and Hurricane Katrina, certain preachers almost finding satisfaction in the thought that these calamities were “God’s punishment” for our “depravity.” One radical Catholic preacher’s frothing anti-sexual tirade speculates that the Space Shuttle Challenger disaster was perhaps an act of God meant to punish the use of contraceptives7.

The murderous Norway extremist Anders Behring Breivik was reportedly fueled in part by hatred of women, feminism, and women’s sexual freedom6.

In the minds of these beholders, sexual morals become so important, or so singular an obsession, that human life itself is devalued in comparison.

Truly, these are extreme examples of broken ethical compasses. But if American politics reach a point where enough Americans feel that it’s more important to legally punish private non-conformity or recreation than it is to protect human life, or promote the overall physical safety and mental health of our citizens, or lead the world in scientific progress, achievement, and educational excellence, then we have reached a point where our values have become scrambled, distorted and re-ordered enough to do much more harm to America’s ethical foundations than good.

When a politician who campaigns on science and math education, and funding for space or our public colleges and universities, can barely raise enough campaign money for one TV ad, while another candidate who promises to stick it to the gays and step up the war on sex can rake in tens of millions, that is when we as a nation have become lost in a minotaur maze of misplaced values.

At least I own a mirror and use it, for I know that my own foreboding warnings about our nation’s ethical compass sound a bit like the very people whom I criticize. Yet we already see it happening in other parts of the world, where cultures forsake health, education and prosperity in favor of crushing women’s rights and brutal, overarching punishments for perceived sexual misconduct.

If it happens there, it can happen here, if we permit it. We’re all human beings with the potential for misplaced sub-human aggressions. I am doing my part to prevent our culture from resembling the very parts of the world that many Americans fear.

Certainly, people who believe that homosexuality or non-marital sex is wrong are free to continue in their faith. We do have freedom of religion, after all, and there is real beauty in “saving yourself for marriage” if you consider abstinence sacred. Live by your moral values, for they are indeed sacred to those who hold them. Live them well, and Scripture teaches that your exemplary life will be an effective living witness (1 Peter 2:12).

But please, let’s maintain perspective and not let worry over select perceived sins or other people’s sexuality grow so disproportionate that our obsession with “curing” or “correcting” them pushes aside all the values that made America great: freedom of choice and religion, opportunity for prosperity, physical safety, self-determination, education, and science.


Poster Comment:

Perhaps the most common counter-claim is “every law legislates morality,” therefore “you must legislate morality. Those who argue that we cannot escape legislating morality typically list murder and theft as common examples, but they sometimes go farther, asserting that even speed limits2 and no-smoking areas are legislation of morality. -----

--- Laws against murder, theft, speeding and running red lights exist to protect public safety, and to provide security in one’s person and property. They are not enacted out of a belief that it’s a religious or moral sin to roll through a stop sign.

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#1. To: tpaine (#0) (Edited)

Perhaps the most common counter-claim is “every law legislates morality,”

Law is nothing more, or less, than the opinion of the legislator.

The effectiveness of the law depends entirely on the ability to enforce it.

This is why all liberty ultimately reposes in the rules of evidence.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-01-26   14:30:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Vicomte13 (#1)

---- all liberty ultimately reposes in the rules of evidence.

Yet juries are able to ignore both the evidence, -- and the law, -- to ensure that liberty and justice will prevail.

tpaine  posted on  2018-01-26   14:50:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: tpaine (#2)

Yet juries are able to ignore both the evidence, -- and the law, -- to ensure that liberty and justice will prevail.

Or to get who they want to get.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-01-26   14:58:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: tpaine, A K A Stone (#0) (Edited)

One look at that title and I knew who posted it.

You really do sink your teeth into these topics. I'm not complaining. These are the Big Issues undergirding so many debates in the public arena.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-26   15:04:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Vicomte13 (#3)

juries are able to ignore both the evidence, -- and the law, -- to ensure that liberty and justice will prevail.

Or to get who they want to get. ---- Vicomte13

Yep, that's why we have the Appeal process, and executive pardons...

tpaine  posted on  2018-01-26   15:06:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Tooconservative (#4)

You really do sink your teeth into these topics. I'm not complaining. These are the Big Issues undergirding so many debates in the public arena.

I'm lucky to have, right here on little LF, plenty of remarks by the moral majority to goad me into a bit of activity..

Gotta love the opportunity to rattle some cages..

tpaine  posted on  2018-01-26   15:16:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: tpaine (#6)

I'm lucky to have, right here on little LF, plenty of remarks by the moral majority to goad me into a bit of activity..

There's always some moral majority on Left or Right (or both) trying to legislate morality. It's always been true.

You'll run out of people willing to debate it long before you'll run out of rich historical material.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-26   15:35:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Tooconservative (#7)

There's always some moral majority on Left or Right (or both) trying to legislate morality. I

Law = legislated morality. So if you're politically inclined, that's what you're focusing on.

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-01-26   16:32:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Tooconservative, y'all (#7)

I'm lucky to have, right here on little LF, plenty of remarks by the moral majority to goad me into a bit of activity..

You'll run out of people willing to debate it long before you'll run out of rich historical material.

Yep, the biggest mouths here for the moral majority, gatlin and misterwhite, hide behind the bozo function, to avoid debate.. --- It's great fun to see them try to counter the truth/logic posted by opponents, --- with their personal attack bullshit.

tpaine  posted on  2018-01-26   16:37:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: tpaine (#0)

SO absurd.

Laws based on morals certainly are and can be legislated. At a Law's extreme, they ARE moral. The middle-ground of morality just can't be enforced. These plays on words and exercises in semantic contortionism is so tiring.

If I had the energy I'd shred your entire pretentious pseudo-clever premise into intellectual confetti.

Legislating Right from Wrong is as fundamental as Good from Evil, Proper from Improper, and Healthy from Un-healthy.

Your argument is a thinly veiled attempt at attacking God the Creator and His innate programming. The argument is anti-intelectual. Unless you're passing around a doob -- then EVERYONE is right.

In other words, just say it; The Default Position of pseudo-intellectuals is, "EVERYTHING IS RELATIVE. Including Morals and ethics."

Liberator  posted on  2018-01-26   20:48:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Liberator (#10)

If I had the energy I'd shred your entire pretentious pseudo-clever premise into intellectual confetti.

If I had the energy, your absurd argument that mine "is a thinly veiled attempt at attacking God the Creator and His innate programming. The argument is anti- intelectual" ---- might be fun to debate.. But arguing religion with a true believer is an irrational exercise...

True, saying that; -- "EVERYTHING IS RELATIVE. Including Morals and ethics" is "The Default Position of pseudo-intellectuals" ---- You should look in a mirror while making it....

tpaine  posted on  2018-01-26   21:13:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: tpaine (#11)

"...arguing religion with a true believer is an irrational exercise..."

As opposed to an irrational Disbeliever of the Obvious?

Chyeah -- you win.

Liberator  posted on  2018-01-27   9:44:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Liberator (#10)

Laws based on morals certainly are and can be legislated.

The idea of an immoral government claiming to be the arbiter of morality is ludicrous.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2018-01-27   9:48:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Deckard (#13)

The idea of an immoral government claiming to be the arbiter of morality is ludicrous.

Ok. THAT'S a good point.

But I believe the context of this essay is America and his Founders-infused Judeo-Christian morals upon the laws of the USA.

Liberator  posted on  2018-01-27   9:52:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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