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Foreign Invaders crisis cost $150B in 2023, forcing some areas to cut police and fire services: report Israel kills head of Hezbollah Intelligence. Status: Not Logged In; Sign In International News See other International News Articles Title: Trump to Palestinian Authority: No More Aid, No More Talking, No More Anything Until You Commit to Peace Source: TimesOfIsrael via AoS URL Source: http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=373538 Published: Jan 25, 2018 Author: Ace Post Date: 2018-01-25 17:57:07 by Tooconservative Keywords: None Views: 8206 Comments: 86 This Trump is so boorish. I wish we had a well-spoken chubby-faced College Boy like Marco who would talk tough for conservative crowds and then pursue the perpetual pay-off-the-Palestinians plan that the Establishment prefers. Oh well. We'll just have to take the crudity of words backed up by actual action instead of more words. In unscripted remarks to the press on Thursday, US President Donald Trump said the US would no longer transfer monetary aid to the Palestinians unless they entered peace negotiations with Israel, and excoriated the Palestinian leadership’s reaction to his decision last month to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital. "That money is not going to them unless they sit down and negotiate peace, because I can tell you that Israel does want to make peace, and they’re going to have to want to make peace, too, or we’re going to have nothing to do with it any longer," he said. Poster Comment: Haley is toeing the same line at the U.N. in a showdown with the Pali scumbag. Twitchy: Nikki Haley destroyed Mahmoud Abbas during the UN Security Council meeting … we love this woman. Nikki Haley skewers Mahmoud Abbas at UN Security Council meeting https://t.co/UDnGcYKOoH — Fox News (@FoxNews) January 25, 2018 From Fox News: U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Nikki Haley launched a broadside Thursday at Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, accusing him of indulging in “outrageous” conspiracy theories about Israel and lacking what is needed to secure peace in the region. Haley made the remarks at a meeting of the U.N. Security Council on the Middle East. She pointedly contrasted Abbas with leaders like the late Egyptian President Anwar Sadat, whom she cited as a leader “willing to step forward, acknowledge hard truths, and make compromises.” “Where is the Palestinian Anwar Sadat?” she asked She made Abbas SO mad … “We will not accept for the U.S. to be a mediator, because after what they have done to us — a believer shall not be stung twice in the same place,” Abbas said, according to The New York Times. Responding to U.S. threats to pull funding for the Palestianian Authority, he said: “Damn your money.” DAMN. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 63. #1. To: Tooconservative (#0) because I can tell you that Israel does want to make peace, and they’re going to have to want to make peace, too, I am not convinced Israel wants peace at all, except possibly on the condition that the Palestinians officially accept their second rate status. Israel will not accept a 2 state solution even if it means peace, though I'd love to be proven wrong. Of course Israel will claim they do want peace. If Trump were to make the same ultimatum to Israel it would be interesting to see the reaction. Maybe a 2 state solution OR no more money type deal. AIPAC would go anti-trump in an instant. Pinguinite  posted on  2018-01-25   18:17:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #43. To: Pinguinite (#1) I am not convinced Israel wants peace at all... Huh?? All they've done is extend the olive branch while ceding land back to their perpetually hostile Muzzie tormentors after gaining it it two major wars (started of course BY Muzzie neighbors.) Ping, you do understand the Koran's commandments with respect to Jews (I assume)? Arafat was offered land, territory that would be considered a "Palestinian state" but rejected it. He took the money and the perpetual victimhood. Oh. And their "deal" is to occupy Israel. No compromise. *It needs to be noted that there is no "Palestinian" people, nor "Palestinian" culture, history, or semblance of gubmint or official leader UNTIL the sliver-state of Israel was re-established in 1948 (btw, their share of sovereign land was originally promised to be far greater -- until the Brits decided to give the vast majority of territory to Muslim pan-Jordan.) Liberator  posted on  2018-01-28   13:10:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #63. To: Liberator (#43) All they've done is extend the olive branch while ceding land back to their perpetually hostile Muzzie tormentors after gaining it it two major wars (started of course BY Muzzie neighbors.) Well, I think the 67 war was technically started by Israel, though possibly preemptively as it appeared Egypt and friends were building up. But in any event, the current occupation of non-Israel land by Israeli forces is obvious, and the blockade of those people instituted by Israel is not in dispute. There are many goods you can buy in the hardware store that is not permitted into Gaza, which is in act of war if done aganist any other country. So no, the olive branch reference you gave is very wrong. Those under Israel's thumb are, without question, oppressed by Israel. Israel sees that as necessary to protect themselves, while Palestinians see that as a legitimate reason to hate Israelis. If Israel were to agree to a two state solution, the resulting government would have an interest in keeping Palestinians in line, in addition to allowing the people to be happier with more prosperous economic conditions. But it seems Israel prefers the oppressive situation with it's occasional terrorist acts and controversial world image than to treat Palestinians as a sovereign people. Ping, you do understand the Koran's commandments with respect to Jews (I assume)? I suppose I do. Just like I understand the Torah's commandments with respect to tribes foreign to ancient Israel. Seriously, I don't think the Koran is any worse than the Torah/Old testament in regard to how their respective non-believers are to be treated. In any event, many Muslims are indeed peaceful and loving, just as many Jews and Christians are. And all three of those groups have also produced those who engage in violence for religious/political ends. Arafat was offered land, territory that would be considered a "Palestinian state" but rejected it. He took the money and the perpetual victimhood. Oh. And their "deal" is to occupy Israel. No compromise. Maybe Arafat responded in his own interests, or maybe that deal was not the great thing for his people as you believe it was. From your writings, does appear you are biased, as I'm sure you'd agree. *It needs to be noted that there is no "Palestinian" people, nor "Palestinian" culture, history, or semblance of gubmint or official leader UNTIL the sliver-state of Israel was re-established in 1948 (btw, their share of sovereign land was originally promised to be far greater -- until the Brits decided to give the vast majority of territory to Muslim pan-Jordan.) Some zionists suggest the land was completely vacant when Jews returned there in 1948, and that all the Palestinians et al decided after that to move in. As I discussed earlier on this thread, I find that scenario very unlikely as once a land is inhabited, it's pretty much inhabited for all time thereafter. Even when a people is exiled from a place, the force that exiles them don't do it only to then vacate the place themselves. That just doesn't happen. When Jews returned to present day Israel, the people living there probably saw them as illegal aliens or perhaps "undocumented immigrants". Whatever oppression Jews suffered at the hands of Germany during WWII, it was not the doing of the people living in the middle east, and yet they had to and must continue to pay the price for a European country's sins. Yes, I think it was Britain that was responsible for actually creating national boundries in the middle east, just as they did in Africa. Prior to that it was just borderless and tribal. But the borders created much larger kingdoms placing conflicting tribes under a single rule that created more serious conflict. I don't know that Britain carving up these two land masses did anyone other than Britain any favors. Pinguinite  posted on  2018-01-30   15:10:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 63. #74. To: Pinguinite (#63) Some zionists suggest the land was completely vacant when Jews returned there in 1948, and that all the Palestinians et al decided after that to move in. As I discussed earlier on this thread, I find that scenario very unlikely as once a land is inhabited, it's pretty much inhabited for all time thereafter A natural skeptic, Twain was not taken by the splendor of the Holy Land. He wrote irreverently about the country’s legendary sites. The Sea of Galilee was, “a solemn, sailless, tintless lake, as unpoetical as any bath-tub on earth.” The Church of the Nativity was “tricked out in the usual tasteless style observable in all the holy places of Palestine.” Throughout Innocents Abroad, Twain explicitly states that the area was desolate and devoid of inhabitants. His group entered Palestine from the north, passing through such sites as the Sea of Galilee, the Banias, Nazareth, Jenin and Nablus. Riding on horseback through the Jezreel Valley, Twain observed, “There is not a solitary village throughout its whole extent – not for 30 miles in either direction. There are two or three small clusters of Bedouin tents, but not a single permanent habitation. One may ride 10 miles, hereabouts, and not see 10 human beings.” He continues, “Of all the lands there are for dismal scenery, I think Palestine must be the prince... Can the curse of the Deity beautify a land? “Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes. Over it broods the spell of a curse that has withered its fields and fettered its energies.” Twain was not alone in his poor impression of the land of milk and honey. Historians and travelers alike made similarly dreary observations over the centuries. Six hundred years before Twain’s visit, another famous visitor with a nom de plume was struck by Jerusalem’s desolation. Rabbi Moses ben Nachman, known as Nachmanides (1194-1270), fled Christian Spain for the Land of Israel. After a long and perilous journey, Nachmanides arrived at the Port of Acre before traveling to Jerusalem in 1267, where he couldn’t even find nine other Jews to pray with. He wrote to his son, “Many are Israel’s forsaken places, and great is the desecration. The more sacred the place, the greater the devastation it has suffered. Jerusalem is the most desolate place of all.” Nevertheless, the sage, whose Torah commentary is still studied, had an altogether surprising interpretation of the desolation he encountered. He saw it as a blessing in disguise. Commenting on a verse in Leviticus that describes the curses that will befall the land of Israel, Nachmanides wrote that the devastation “constitutes a good tiding, proclaiming that during all our exiles, our land will not accept our enemies... Since the time that we left it, [the land] has not accepted any nation or people, and they all try to settle it... This is a great proof and assurance to us.” The 13th-century scholar wrote that Israel will remain desolate until the Jewish People assume control. But when the people of Israel finally return to the land of Israel, the region will once again flourish thanks to Divine providence. As the most famous eyewitness to the 19th-century desolation of Palestine, Twain was an unwitting collaborator of Nachmanides. Innocents Abroad brought global attention to the sorry state of Palestine and proved that Palestine was a land without a people for a people without a land just 15 years before the First Aliya and subsequent waves of Jewish immigration. Half a century after Twain’s visit, the Balfour Declaration was issued in 1917. Fifty years later the Six Day War was won. And today, in 2017 – 50 years after that – Israel continues to flourish, moving in leaps and bounds away from Twain’s “sackcloth and ashes.” At various points throughout his journey, Twain criticized his fellow “American vandals abroad” for the petty buying and selling of holy land trinkets and religious artifacts. So what compelled this skeptical father of American literature to buy an olive wood-covered Bible for his mother? Twain might not have known it at the time, but by reporting on the “curses” of Palestine during his visit, he was lending credence to the biblical passages he famously mocked in his book, prophecies which were fulfilled less than a few decades later. Likewise, Twain’s decision to purchase a Bible over any other trinket is evidence that he was moved by the religious holiness and spirit of the land. m.jpost.com/Opinion/Unto-the-nations-505760 A K A Stone  posted on  2018-01-30 15:51:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #82. To: Pinguinite (#63) Ok, I've read your series of posts... I can either spend half the day responding, or whittle it down to the basics. (I'll choose Plan B :-) Liberator  posted on  2018-01-31 12:09:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #84. To: Pinguinite (#63) Well, I think the 67 war was technically started by Israel, though possibly preemptively as it appeared Egypt and friends were building up. The '67 War was clearly and factually pre-emptively started by the Arabs. Six Days of Miracles (explained in just ten minutes) Watching just the first 7:30 explains what happened as briefly as possible. There are many goods you can buy in the hardware store that is not permitted into Gaza, which is in act of war if done aganist any other country. Uh, perhaps because Palestinians keep on building home-made BOMBS with material from hardware stores. Capisce?? And IF you're referring to a "nation" -- like the fictional "Palestine" -- IT is NOT one. It is a UN-contrived perpetual refugee camp of so-called "Palestinians," aka displaces ARAB people (mostly from JORDAN) who are perpetually hostile to and at war forever with Israel. Despite this hostility and constant warring against Israel, did you realize that it is ISRAEL that supplies them their electricity? And provides goods and services? AND gives Arabs/Muzzie citizenship and a voice in government? Now tell me the REVERSE would be remotely possible... Those under Israel's thumb are, without question, oppressed by Israel. Utter BS. Israel sees that as necessary to protect themselves, while Palestinians see that as a legitimate reason to hate Israelis. Total mischaracterization. Palestinians, like ALL Muslims tribes, territories, states and nations HATE Jews and HATE Israel. And wish them D-E-A-D. And beside that, they HATE the "infidel," aka NON-Muzzies. So conclusively, Palestinians are just typical illogical Arabs/Muzzies/Death Cultists. (You'd asked in another recent post why Muslims in the past didn't exterminate the Jews while they were in pwer in the region. One, they were mis-treated as Dhimmis. Two -- since Israel was re-created a nation AND as Israel thrived and beaten them in every war and embarrassed the Muslim World, their Koranian pledge to kill every last Jew is out in the open.) If Israel were to agree to a two state solution, the resulting government would have an interest in keeping Palestinians in line, in addition to allowing the people to be happier with more prosperous economic conditions. But it seems Israel prefers the oppressive situation with it's occasional terrorist acts and controversial world image than to treat Palestinians as a sovereign people. You're serious, aren't you? That's not only completely non-sensical, irrational and illogical, but patently untrue. Abbas: 'Jordan and Palestine are One People in Two States' Palestinian Authority leader makes statement likely to overjoy Israeli nationalists during meeting with Jordanian soccer head in Amman. Contact Editor Ari Soffer, 19:48 Were you aware that as had been reported in Feb 2015, Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas described Jordanian and Palestinian Arabs as "one people living in two states"? Did you know that Abbas has Jordanian citizenship? Why do advocates of an Israel-"Palestine" two-state solution completely IGNORE the fact that ALL OTHER Arab-Muslim nations -- especially Jordan -- refused to cede any of the British Mandate of Palestine (Arabs received the vast Lion's Share) to these "Arab Brothers"? Do you know or acknowledge that Jordan had harassed, murdered, and finally driven out their "Arab Brothers" way back, exiling them to the desert? And THAT is how they wound up beggars at Israel's door. But don't believe me; Look it up. Yet incredibly, you and others either convenient forget the truth or ignore it, putting ALL the blame on an "oppressive Israel." For the life of me, I don't understand how sentient people concerned with truth ignore an oft-repeated Muzzie vow to destroy Israel with every chance it gets? Again, there IS no "Palestinian" history, culture, language, borders, and identity other than the the contrived grievance that Israel is "occupying" the fictional "nation" of "Palestine"? Let's speculate for the sake of argument that "Palestine" is created as a "Two-State Solution"; End of story and of hostilities between the Arab World and Jews, right? WRONG. Most of us know without a doubt that Arab-Muzzie nations would merely used a newly created "Palestinian neighbor" as a springboard from which to blitz Israel. AS THEY HAVE REPEATEDLY in 1948, 1956, 1967, and 1973. Nothing has changed. And anyway, just why should Israel surrender its own sovereignty and security? Seriously, I don't think the Koran is any worse than the Torah/Old testament in regard to how their respective non-believers are to be treated. In any event, many Muslims are indeed peaceful and loving, just as many Jews and Christians are. And all three of those groups have also produced those who engage in violence for religious/political ends. Just...wow. Geeez...ok, no need to exchange ideas or debate any further you on this subject if this is your delusional perspective. You've made your position clear. Ours would be an exercise in futility. Liberator  posted on  2018-01-31 13:36:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 63. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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