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Title: Trump to Palestinian Authority: No More Aid, No More Talking, No More Anything Until You Commit to Peace
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TimesOfIsrael via AoS
URL Source: http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=373538
Published: Jan 25, 2018
Author: Ace
Post Date: 2018-01-25 17:57:07 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 8193
Comments: 86
Oh well. We'll just have to take the crudity of words backed up by actual action instead of more words. "That money is not going to them unless they sit down and negotiate peace, because I can tell you that Israel does want to make peace, and they’re going to have to want to make peace, too, or we’re going to have nothing to do with it any longer," he said. Poster Comment: Haley is toeing the same line at the U.N. in a showdown with the Pali scumbag. Twitchy: Nikki Haley destroyed Mahmoud Abbas during the UN Security Council meeting … we love this woman. — Fox News (@FoxNews) January 25, 2018 From Fox News: Haley made the remarks at a meeting of the U.N. Security Council on the Middle East. She pointedly contrasted Abbas with leaders like the late Egyptian President Anwar Sadat, whom she cited as a leader “willing to step forward, acknowledge hard truths, and make compromises.” “Where is the Palestinian Anwar Sadat?” she asked She made Abbas SO mad … Responding to U.S. threats to pull funding for the Palestianian Authority, he said: “Damn your money.” DAMN. This Trump is so boorish. I wish we had a well-spoken chubby-faced College Boy like Marco who would talk tough for conservative crowds and then pursue the perpetual pay-off-the-Palestinians plan that the Establishment prefers. In unscripted remarks to the press on Thursday, US President Donald Trump said the US would no longer transfer monetary aid to the Palestinians unless they entered peace negotiations with Israel, and excoriated the Palestinian leadership’s reaction to his decision last month to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital. Nikki Haley skewers Mahmoud Abbas at UN Security Council meeting https://t.co/UDnGcYKOoH U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Nikki Haley launched a broadside Thursday at Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, accusing him of indulging in “outrageous” conspiracy theories about Israel and lacking what is needed to secure peace in the region. “We will not accept for the U.S. to be a mediator, because after what they have done to us — a believer shall not be stung twice in the same place,” Abbas said, according to The New York Times.
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#1. To: Tooconservative (#0)
I am not convinced Israel wants peace at all, except possibly on the condition that the Palestinians officially accept their second rate status. Israel will not accept a 2 state solution even if it means peace, though I'd love to be proven wrong. Of course Israel will claim they do want peace. If Trump were to make the same ultimatum to Israel it would be interesting to see the reaction. Maybe a 2 state solution OR no more money type deal. AIPAC would go anti-trump in an instant.
AIPAC, like AMA and ABA and AARP, are just not the powerhouses they once were. They still have influence but pols just aren't very scared of them any more. Chamber of Commerce is, by itself, probably more powerful than the 4 I listed combined. And a half-dozen more. CoC is very powerful. In many ways, they are the primary muck in the Beltway swamp. I found it interesting that Trump just happened to launch this threat to defund the Palis, had Haley reinforce it by telling off Abbas to his face, and all just as he arrived at Davos. Imagine their faces! LOL I saw Times of Israel also reported that France's new prez, Macron, had said he will not recognize Jerusalem as the Palestinian capital but he otherwise will stick with the EU idea that Jerusalem should be a capital for both states in a two-state solution. It's not unthinkable, every peace plan has always had this concept in it. A handful of small EU countries like Slovenia had been trying to agitate for EU countries to recognize Palestine as a state and its capital as Jerusalem, in effect granting Palestine the status of a nation. That would be a prelude to demanding that Palestine be given a seat at the U.N. So France won't be a part of that. And they do still hold a veto on the Security Council.
That's mighty WHITE of the Micro-Leader. And French. Maybe Trump out to move our French embassy to Marseilles. JUST BECAUSE. I realize you know this, but it bears repeating: Jerusalem has been historically JEWISH and the de facto capital of Israel for over 2000 years. The EU "idea" of a bi-capital for an alleged "two-state solution" makes as much sense as the EU's suicidal importation/invitation of Muzzie invaders, looters, rapists, and terrorists. The EU's agenda is a literal occultist, One-World dictatorship in any case. Much like the Democrat Party in the US, the EU/UN are focused on "Divide & Conquer" tactics, lies, and propaganda... As of late, even the subversive Vatican has stepped out of the closet to support the occultist One-World Gubmint agenda.
You mean, other than in 70 AD when the Romans leveled it, leaving it unrecognizable according to Josephus. Jesus did prophesy destruction of Jerusalem and the Disapora in Matthew 24. That's when they destroyed the other fortresses and cities of Israel. Enslaved the able-bodied adults and sold all under 17 as personal slaves. Josephus said 1.1 million inhabitants, mostly Jewish, were killed. Then Titus built the Arch of Titus to celebrate. The Jews really hate that thing.
Bunch of interesting historical tidbits you scrunched up in that little paragraph. I guess it's hard to sleep on a bed of crushed rock and dust. Oy. "Sho vee took a little break....."
Well, it is the prophecy of Jesus in Matthew 24 so it doesn't hurt to relay a summary of a contemporary Jew. Of course, Josephus wrote from a perspective that local Jewish leaders like the priests and the hothead Zealots provoked the Romans into destroying Jerusalem and other Jewish cities and sending most of the population into slavery. His account of the massacre and aftermath in Jerusalem is pretty grim stuff.
It's a fascinating historical account. We're fortunate that his account was preserved for posterity. Rarely are past bloody aftermaths related in such detail. I'm sure The Almighty wanted it that way, told from an "outsider" perspective" so it couldn't be claimed to be biased in any way. That the place and slaughter take place in Jerusalem is one in a litany of many accounts germane to Biblical prophecy and the Jews' self-destruction, redemption, and ultimate return to their home land.
Josephus acted as the main negotiator with the Jews in Jerusalem for the Roman general. He was writing a personal account of it. He blamed the Jews but some historians thought he would have been afraid to write anything that would make an emperor want him dead.
Valid and logical claim. Off the top of your head have you any idea of Josephus' timeline of his personal account?
Josephus was there from the beginning to the end AFAIK. He wrote about the entire operation. Josephus surrendered to Titus' father and was very close to young Titus. Josephus was a Benedict Arnold who got full citizenship and took the family name (Titus Flavius Josephus) as his own. Definitely a dynastic family retainer type, a fixture of the court. The Jewish War described briefly: So, yeah, for the first-century, it was a very comprehensive account. We have few to match it or even to compare to it. I may as well include this first-century bust which is supposedly Josephus himself:
NOT a big fan of the CE/BCE change of dating by anti-Christian elements instead of the REAL markers of dating, BC and AD. An aside: Is there no end to this ongoing assault on all things Christian? Even in this context? (BOGUS)REASONS GIVEN HERE: https://www.ancient.eu/article/1041/the-origin-and-history-of-the-bcece-dating-system/ Aside from being more accurate, BCE/CE is inclusive. The use of BC/AD relegates every event prior to, and since, the birth of Jesus of Nazareth subordinate to the Christian understanding of who he was. For Christians, Jesus is the Christ, the annointed of God, the messiah. The calendar "counts down" to the birth of Jesus and then proceeds to count away from it. To a Christian this may seem like simple common sense and the way the world works but not so to someone outside of that tradition. People of different cultures and belief systems should be able to access and discuss history without having to date it according to the Christian belief in Jesus as the son of God and the messiah. It is for these reasons that Ancient History Encyclopedia, following standard scholarly guidelines in the 21st century, uses the designation BCE/CE instead of BC/AD. The encyclopedia has an international audience of readers who embrace multiple faiths and recognize many different belief systems. Therefore, Ancient History Encyclopedia has adopted the BCE/CE designation in an effort to be accurate, adhere to scholarly principles, and be inclusive and welcoming to all. BULLSH*T. Maybe we ought to change our numerical system since it is Arab. Or Calendar. Because it is Roman. SICK of "Inclusivity" used as a political sledgehammer by an anti-Christian academic "scholars."
#60. To: Liberator (#59)
We already use the Western Arab numerals. There are also the slightly older Hindu-Arab numerals also. Here's a Wiki pic of an Egyptian phone showing both types of arab numerals. They've been in fairly widespread use for about 10-12 centuries.
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#45. To: Tooconservative (#2)
I saw Times of Israel also reported that France's new prez, Macron, had said he will not recognize Jerusalem as the Palestinian capital but he otherwise will stick with the EU idea that Jerusalem should be a capital for both states in a two-state solution.
#49. To: Liberator (#45)
I realize you know this, but it bears repeating: Jerusalem has been historically JEWISH and the de facto capital of Israel for over 2000 years.
#52. To: Tooconservative (#49)
You mean, other than in 70 AD when the Romans leveled it, leaving it unrecognizable according to Josephus. Jesus did prophesy destruction of Jerusalem and the Disapora in Matthew 24. That's when they destroyed the other fortresses and cities of Israel. Enslaved the able-bodied adults and sold all under 17 as personal slaves. Josephus said 1.1 million inhabitants, mostly Jewish, were killed. Then Titus built the Arch of Titus to celebrate. The Jews really hate that thing.
#53. To: Liberator (#52)
Bunch of interesting historical tidbits you scrunched up in that little paragraph.
#54. To: Tooconservative, redleghunter (#53)
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Of course, Josephus wrote from a perspective that local Jewish leaders like the priests and the hothead Zealots provoked the Romans into destroying Jerusalem and other Jewish cities and sending most of the population into slavery. His account of the massacre and aftermath in Jerusalem is pretty grim stuff.
#55. To: Liberator (#54)
Rarely are past bloody aftermaths related in such detail.
#56. To: Tooconservative (#55)
He blamed the Jews but some historians thought he would have been afraid to write anything that would make an emperor want him dead.
#57. To: Liberator (#56)
(Edited)
Off the top of your head have you any idea of Josephus' timeline of his personal account?
Josephus recorded Jewish history, with special emphasis on the first century CE and the First Jewish–Roman War, including the Siege of Masada. His most important works were The Jewish War (c. 75) and Antiquities of the Jews (c. 94). The Jewish War recounts the Jewish revolt against Roman occupation (66–70). Antiquities of the Jews recounts the history of the world from a Jewish perspective for an ostensibly Roman audience. These works provide valuable insight into first century Judaism and the background of Early Christianity. Divided into seven books, it opens with a summary of Jewish history from the capture of Jerusalem by the Seleucid ruler Antiochus IV Epiphanes in 164 BC to the first stages of the First Jewish–Roman War (Book I and II). The next five books detail the unfolding of the war, under Roman generals Vespasian and Titus, to the death of the last Sicarii. The book was written about 75 AD, originally in Josephus's "paternal tongue" – either Aramaic or Hebrew[4] – though this version has not survived. It was later translated into Greek, probably under the supervision of Josephus himself. However, "the current Greek edition does not appear to be a translation, but must be considered a new edition, a complete re-working of the first writing and likely a considerable expansion". 
#59. To: Tooconservative (#57)
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