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Title: Trump to Palestinian Authority: No More Aid, No More Talking, No More Anything Until You Commit to Peace
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URL Source: http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=373538
Published: Jan 25, 2018
Author: Ace
Post Date: 2018-01-25 17:57:07 by Tooconservative
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Comments: 86
Oh well. We'll just have to take the crudity of words backed up by actual action instead of more words. "That money is not going to them unless they sit down and negotiate peace, because I can tell you that Israel does want to make peace, and they’re going to have to want to make peace, too, or we’re going to have nothing to do with it any longer," he said. Poster Comment: Haley is toeing the same line at the U.N. in a showdown with the Pali scumbag. Twitchy: Nikki Haley destroyed Mahmoud Abbas during the UN Security Council meeting … we love this woman. — Fox News (@FoxNews) January 25, 2018 From Fox News: Haley made the remarks at a meeting of the U.N. Security Council on the Middle East. She pointedly contrasted Abbas with leaders like the late Egyptian President Anwar Sadat, whom she cited as a leader “willing to step forward, acknowledge hard truths, and make compromises.” “Where is the Palestinian Anwar Sadat?” she asked She made Abbas SO mad … Responding to U.S. threats to pull funding for the Palestianian Authority, he said: “Damn your money.” DAMN. This Trump is so boorish. I wish we had a well-spoken chubby-faced College Boy like Marco who would talk tough for conservative crowds and then pursue the perpetual pay-off-the-Palestinians plan that the Establishment prefers. In unscripted remarks to the press on Thursday, US President Donald Trump said the US would no longer transfer monetary aid to the Palestinians unless they entered peace negotiations with Israel, and excoriated the Palestinian leadership’s reaction to his decision last month to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital. Nikki Haley skewers Mahmoud Abbas at UN Security Council meeting https://t.co/UDnGcYKOoH U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Nikki Haley launched a broadside Thursday at Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, accusing him of indulging in “outrageous” conspiracy theories about Israel and lacking what is needed to secure peace in the region. “We will not accept for the U.S. to be a mediator, because after what they have done to us — a believer shall not be stung twice in the same place,” Abbas said, according to The New York Times.
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#19. To: Pinguinite (#11)
Not all that much. The Jews have been pretty big on studies of mitochondrial DNA. However, these studies have left little doubt about modern European Jews having a very distinct common group of Semitic ancestors from the Mideast region.
Peace means the end of the nearly $4 Thousand-Million US tax dollars per year... and you're "not convinced"?? This entire charade is about the money. IMHO "we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie. "Listen piece of shit. Call me anti American again and your're banned. I don't like you." - aka stoned -
I seem to remember reading elsewhere that they have full Israeli citizenship, with full rights, even voting rights. That does not sound like second rate status. Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
I get it. You are a card carrying Jew hater, and you have demonstrated that many times. You would have been dancing around like Bojangles while Jew kids were burned alive in concentration camp ovens. The so-called Palestinians are just Arab terrorists being used by Arabs as an excuse to conduct terror acts against Jews. Any Arab country has plenty of money to fully take care of these people, but of course they don't want to.
Any Arab country has plenty of money to fully take care of these people, but of course they don't want to. " The so-called Palestinians are just Arab terrorists / trouble makers. They have been kicked out of all Arab countries, no one wants them, because all they do is cause trouble, and contribute nothing positive. Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
Some do, like the longterm Druze residents. And they are subject to compulsory military service as well, both sexes. That isn't true of the Palis.
Oh, I have, have I? This makes twice in one week where you have completely mischaracterized me. But it is noteworthy that you would respond this way to me and not respond to another on this thread who stated plainly that Palestinians should just disappear or die, which certainly sounds like a card carrying Palestinian hater to me. But I suppose in your world that just doesn't deserve any condemnation, right? Of course not. I don't suppose you have have any references supporting this accusation, do you? Ergo, all of them should just be exterminated. Roasted alive in ovens, perhaps? And there you have it. Proof they are subhuman and should just be wiped off the map.
Prior to WWII, some said similar things of Jews.
They are plainly discriminated against in all manner of ways. Bulldozed homes, illegal settlements, border crossings, destroyed orchards and farms and so forth Even when Isralies kill Palestinians and are prosecuted, they typically get the absolute minimal punishment that is politically palatable.
And there you have it. Proof they are subhuman and should just be wiped off the map. I've seen your responses on many web sites. It is obvious you prefer Arabs to Jews. Boy given the quoted remark above, I'm not sure how you reached that conclusion. Since you love Palestinian terrorists so much, go live there and give your money to them. Tell them how they are mistreated by the Jews. I'm sure they will treat you with love and admiration.
Yeah, and those damn Jews want to take away their bombs and rocket launchers, and protect themselves by building walls.
Seeing comments from me is not the issue. Comprehending them is. You are pulling a borderline Gatlin. That does not surprise me. Well, there's a blockade instituted by Israel making life miserable so I wouldn't be very happy with that. They're not even allowed concrete at last count, as they might use some of it to build defensive structures. But why don't you lead by example and pack your things and move to Israel? You can prove your love of Israeli Jews this very same way.
No such thing. That is UN tyranny talk. The solution is for all the Palis and Arabs to get their sorry asses out of Israel.
The noive!
Seeing comments from me is not the issue. Comprehending them is. You are pulling a borderline Gatlin. Comprehending you is not a problem at all. Well, there's a blockade instituted by Israel making life miserable so I wouldn't be very happy with that. Uh Huh. That has to be the reason. The go live in Dubai. Convince them about supporting Palestinians.
How inconsiderate of the Jews. I guess to make the Palis & their ass kissers happy, the Jews should all just commit mass suicide. Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
You would have been dancing around like Bojangles while Jew kids were burned alive in concentration camp ovens. That really is pretty harsh. I've never seen him say anything like that.
All I have ever seen him do is support every bogus grievance against the Jews, especially Israel. So I guess I don't worry about being harsh.
References would be in order for sure. Coming up with them would certainly keep him busy for a pleasantly long time. Thank you, by the way.
You know, I was at the store yesterday and when I wasn't thinking about what I needed to buy, my mind wandered to this accusation, and it occurred to me that maybe it was my speculation that the rule for inherited jewry was based on birth by a Jewish mother was because it allowed Jewish men to disregard responsibility for their extramarital activities with gentile women. Was that what set you off? Rest assured, rules, particularly religious ones, have historically been made by us guys. Women have largely had no say in them, at least prior to 50 years ago and that bias certainly rears it's head. In the case of Judaism, I fault it for advocating a racial or religious based supremecy: You know the "we're God's chosen people" line. Putin once warned us Americans about the dangers of any people considering themselves exceptional, that after Obama made the claim for us Americans. Putin was right, and the same principle applies to Jews. No people should consider themselves more privileged then the rest of the world, and it's especially dangerous when it's religiously based. In my opinion we can see that in the attitudes of many Israeli jews in regards to illegal settlements and the general treatment of not just Palestinians. (i.e God gave us this holy land so everyone here should get the hell off it or die). Essentially, the basic tenant of Judaism (and please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) is that non-jews pretty much exist for the benefit of jews. It's actually not unlike how we as humans regard the existence of cattle, though of course not to that level. Christian zionists obviously enable this type of thinking, and of course they largely agree with it, as Judaism is without dispute the father of Christianity. But to be clear, I'm not just picking on Judaism. Islam has it's supremecy tenants also, though it's not ethnically based (perhaps one tiny consolation with that faith). Their problem is it sex-based. The whole 72 virgins bit. Women are basically chattel ... property of men, and at some point centuries ago, perhaps dating back to even Mohammed, the guys there decided that paradise must like a brothel. I suppose that was due to the limits of their imagination, or perhaps sex was the only thing that gave them any kind of respite from a life perhaps devoid of any other physical enjoyments. So with Islam, women pay the price and with Judaism, gentiles pay the price. So assuming you are not simply confusing me with someone else who actually posts Jew-hating material (which maybe you are) it could be instead that I am simply open to criticizing Judaism just like I'll criticize any other faith or idea. Perhaps you, on the other hand, consider Jews to be God's Chosen People such that saying anything about them that does not cast them in a favorable light is automatically Jew hating or anti-semitic. If that's the case, then I'll leave the labeling in your little world to you. I do have though at least one Jewish friend. I went to a bar mitzvah for his daughter many, many years ago, and I sat down for lunch with him a couple months back. He's a great guy. He loves people and he would have paid for my meal had I let him. Well he did, actually. I just insisted on paying the tip. I don't know how you are going to sort all this out in your simple black n white world, but I guess you have some homework to do now, assuming you choose to do it. Cheers....
I think you overstate or misinterpret this. Jews, coming from such an ancient culture, do naturally consider Gentiles as transient peoples, always getting conquered, adrift in history. Naturally, they will seek their own advantage. And this is a characteristic of all the Semitic peoples. Arabs are certainly that way, just not as competently as Jews have become because of their considerable education and cultural diversity. And modern Jews are simply not the Jews of yesteryear. In Israel, they still maintain a pretty consistent Jewish culture. But the larger majority of Jews scattered around the world (Europe, North and South America, etc.) no longer have that cultural solidarity. The rabbis have worried for years about the rates of intermarriage, about Jewish men marrying Gentile women (or vice versa), about all the issues involving intermarriage and children. And gay marriage has made it worse, with some wealthy Jews wanting their Jewish sons to marry their Catholic boyfriend and give them a few little adopted Chinese girls to play the role of granddaughter. This is a long and increasingly bitter debate among the various denominations and endless organizations that Jews debate these issues in. Judaism, especially in the Diaspora, just isn't nearly as Jewish as it used to be. Those old cultural norms have broken, perhaps irrevocably. And the rabbis and older generation can't get the younger generation to see it as anything important. Very upsetting to the traditionalists to consider that in 20 years, only 15%-20% of all Jews in the world will be married to a Jewish spouse. They also worry about producing enough children because they are well-below replacement rates (other than Orthodox Jews who have tons of kids). The Ashkenazim aren't exactly happy that the future of Judaism are the Orthodox Jews merely due to their prolific breeding. These are not happy topics of discussion for Jewish leaders. I'll repeat that BBC link from above. Look at what Bibi's brother-in-law is saying about the rumors that Bibi's son is dating a Norwegian Gentile.
I'm certainly not opposed to Jews cherishing their faith to the point of wanting to have pure Jewish marriages. My only beef is an apparent tenant of superiority that, okay, some of them have about being God's chosen. The video I posted illustrates the attitude well. Christians recognize that God loves everyone equally no matter their genes, origins or sins, but Judaism simply doesn't go along with that, at least as far as the old testament goes. Orthodox Jews would be at the forefront of this error, naturally. Moderate & peaceful Muslims have to deal with accusations about how the Koran states that unbelievers must be executed. They accept the passages as real, of course but dismiss it as being either antiquated teaching or needing to be taken in proper context of the day. So it seems both peaceful Muslims and progressive Jews have that difficulty in common. I remember Sally, AKA Goldi-lox of LP, a converted Jew, telling me on the phone once how Jews were not allowed ot charge fellow Jews interest on loans. If a white organization were to announce such a policy to fellow whites, it would certainly be a basis of serious accusation of white supremacy. But of course, you cannot accuse or ever suggest Judaism is a supremacist faith without risking being called an Jew hater or anti-semite, which, as you've seen, happened to me on this thread. Well, I guess my sin was in suggesting one Jewish tenant, however old it's origins may be, may have been formulated to excuse parental responsibility of Jewish men who have sex with gentile women.
Deuteronomy 10:19 “Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.”
She never did convert. She flirted with it but didn't carry through. So maybe a Gentile woman isn't the most reliable source of info. And, yes, Jews do charge interest to other Jews.
Huh?? All they've done is extend the olive branch while ceding land back to their perpetually hostile Muzzie tormentors after gaining it it two major wars (started of course BY Muzzie neighbors.) Ping, you do understand the Koran's commandments with respect to Jews (I assume)? Arafat was offered land, territory that would be considered a "Palestinian state" but rejected it. He took the money and the perpetual victimhood. Oh. And their "deal" is to occupy Israel. No compromise. *It needs to be noted that there is no "Palestinian" people, nor "Palestinian" culture, history, or semblance of gubmint or official leader UNTIL the sliver-state of Israel was re-established in 1948 (btw, their share of sovereign land was originally promised to be far greater -- until the Brits decided to give the vast majority of territory to Muslim pan-Jordan.)
a) Trump, the US, the UN are in NO position to deliver any such ultimatum to any sovereign nation. b) "Palestine" DOES. NOT. EXIST. Nor does its culture or ANY history. AIPAC would go anti-trump in an instant. I would concede that AIPAC does wield too much influence in America's affairs and self-interest.
That's mighty WHITE of the Micro-Leader. And French. Maybe Trump out to move our French embassy to Marseilles. JUST BECAUSE. I realize you know this, but it bears repeating: Jerusalem has been historically JEWISH and the de facto capital of Israel for over 2000 years. The EU "idea" of a bi-capital for an alleged "two-state solution" makes as much sense as the EU's suicidal importation/invitation of Muzzie invaders, looters, rapists, and terrorists. The EU's agenda is a literal occultist, One-World dictatorship in any case. Much like the Democrat Party in the US, the EU/UN are focused on "Divide & Conquer" tactics, lies, and propaganda... As of late, even the subversive Vatican has stepped out of the closet to support the occultist One-World Gubmint agenda.
There have been many eras with widely varying Jewish population in Jerusalem and across the lands of ancient Israel. It's a very long history.
France NEVER warranted or deserved any UN VETO power to begin with...I know -- irrelevant to this debate. As sister-EU leader to brother Germany (oh, the irony, huh?), behind the scenes the French PTB indeed support statehood for "Palestine"; They just won't publicly support it for a few reasons -- one, it would agitate Jews in high places. As well as Americans in high places. And anyone with a sense of propriety and truth.
It's a very long history. Yes, it is a very long history; Keyword: "Ancient." Jerusalem has been strongly associated with Israel historically longer and more legitimately than any other nation on the planet. If ever a case could be made for a nation's "Capital," "Jerusalem" is at the very top of the list. Despite the many conquests and occupations by foreigners, Jerusalem has never stopped being the unofficial capital of Israel. Historically and culturally -- Jerusalem more than any nation on earth -- merits and warrants official recognition and respect as a capital city of its people. In this case, obviously of Israel. Any political proposal that suggests any other nation "share" its capital -- especially Jerusalem; especially with Muslims; especially the contrived "Palestine" -- is too bogus for words, based on a lie, and ...frankly, insulting to one's intelligence.
You mean, other than in 70 AD when the Romans leveled it, leaving it unrecognizable according to Josephus. Jesus did prophesy destruction of Jerusalem and the Disapora in Matthew 24. That's when they destroyed the other fortresses and cities of Israel. Enslaved the able-bodied adults and sold all under 17 as personal slaves. Josephus said 1.1 million inhabitants, mostly Jewish, were killed. Then Titus built the Arch of Titus to celebrate. The Jews really hate that thing.
The Chinese and especially the Japanese would dispute that. Others as well. Although I'm not saying that Jews have not had a substantial presence there throughout history.
Expected. They might. Wouldn't change the truth of the matter. The time line and continued historical documentation of Jerusalem as strongly associated with Israel is indisputable. That's even without laying the whole, "But God said Jerusalem and Israel are both the Jews' land!" out there. Although I'm not saying that Jews have not had a substantial presence there throughout history. You or anyone could challenge the assertion, but the Jews' constant and continued heavy presence and ownership in Jerusalem would still be true. They never abandoned the ship.
Bunch of interesting historical tidbits you scrunched up in that little paragraph. I guess it's hard to sleep on a bed of crushed rock and dust. Oy. "Sho vee took a little break....."
Well, it is the prophecy of Jesus in Matthew 24 so it doesn't hurt to relay a summary of a contemporary Jew. Of course, Josephus wrote from a perspective that local Jewish leaders like the priests and the hothead Zealots provoked the Romans into destroying Jerusalem and other Jewish cities and sending most of the population into slavery. His account of the massacre and aftermath in Jerusalem is pretty grim stuff.
It's a fascinating historical account. We're fortunate that his account was preserved for posterity. Rarely are past bloody aftermaths related in such detail. I'm sure The Almighty wanted it that way, told from an "outsider" perspective" so it couldn't be claimed to be biased in any way. That the place and slaughter take place in Jerusalem is one in a litany of many accounts germane to Biblical prophecy and the Jews' self-destruction, redemption, and ultimate return to their home land.
Josephus acted as the main negotiator with the Jews in Jerusalem for the Roman general. He was writing a personal account of it. He blamed the Jews but some historians thought he would have been afraid to write anything that would make an emperor want him dead.
Valid and logical claim. Off the top of your head have you any idea of Josephus' timeline of his personal account?
Josephus was there from the beginning to the end AFAIK. He wrote about the entire operation. Josephus surrendered to Titus' father and was very close to young Titus. Josephus was a Benedict Arnold who got full citizenship and took the family name (Titus Flavius Josephus) as his own. Definitely a dynastic family retainer type, a fixture of the court. The Jewish War described briefly: So, yeah, for the first-century, it was a very comprehensive account. We have few to match it or even to compare to it. I may as well include this first-century bust which is supposedly Josephus himself:
Yes, extremely so. Wow. To your knowledge are there any other sources of events at the time so to validate any or all of Josephus' accounts? The "summary of Jewish history" seems to be worth a good read; I've only scraped the surface with respect to Josephus.
NOT a big fan of the CE/BCE change of dating by anti-Christian elements instead of the REAL markers of dating, BC and AD. An aside: Is there no end to this ongoing assault on all things Christian? Even in this context? (BOGUS)REASONS GIVEN HERE: https://www.ancient.eu/article/1041/the-origin-and-history-of-the-bcece-dating-system/ Aside from being more accurate, BCE/CE is inclusive. The use of BC/AD relegates every event prior to, and since, the birth of Jesus of Nazareth subordinate to the Christian understanding of who he was. For Christians, Jesus is the Christ, the annointed of God, the messiah. The calendar "counts down" to the birth of Jesus and then proceeds to count away from it. To a Christian this may seem like simple common sense and the way the world works but not so to someone outside of that tradition. People of different cultures and belief systems should be able to access and discuss history without having to date it according to the Christian belief in Jesus as the son of God and the messiah. It is for these reasons that Ancient History Encyclopedia, following standard scholarly guidelines in the 21st century, uses the designation BCE/CE instead of BC/AD. The encyclopedia has an international audience of readers who embrace multiple faiths and recognize many different belief systems. Therefore, Ancient History Encyclopedia has adopted the BCE/CE designation in an effort to be accurate, adhere to scholarly principles, and be inclusive and welcoming to all. BULLSH*T. Maybe we ought to change our numerical system since it is Arab. Or Calendar. Because it is Roman. SICK of "Inclusivity" used as a political sledgehammer by an anti-Christian academic "scholars."
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest So it's not much of a stretch to suggest that the Palestinians and others throughout the region might, to some degree, have ancient Jewish blood in them.
#20. To: Pinguinite (#1)
"...I am not convinced Israel wants peace at all..."
#21. To: Pinguinite (#1)
" Palestinians officially accept their second rate status. "
#22. To: Pinguinite (#1)
#23. To: no gnu taxes (#22)
(Edited)
" The so-called Palestinians are just Arab terrorists being used by Arabs as an excuse to conduct terror acts against Jews.
#24. To: Stoner (#21)
I seem to remember reading elsewhere that they have full Israeli citizenship, with full rights, even voting rights.
#25. To: no gnu taxes (#22)
I get it.
You are a card carrying Jew hater, and you have demonstrated that many times.
You would have been dancing around like Bojangles while Jew kids were burned alive in concentration camp ovens.
The so-called Palestinians are just Arab terrorists being used by Arabs as an excuse to conduct terror acts against Jews.
Any Arab country has plenty of money to fully take care of these people, but of course they don't want to.
#26. To: Stoner (#23)
They have been kicked out of all Arab countries, no one wants them, because all they do is cause trouble, and contribute nothing positive.
#27. To: Stoner (#21)
That does not sound like second rate status.
#28. To: Pinguinite (#25)
Any Arab country has plenty of money to fully take care of these people, but of course they don't want to.
#29. To: Pinguinite (#27)
They are plainly discriminated against in all manner of ways.
#30. To: no gnu taxes (#28)
I've seen your responses on many web sites. It is obvious you prefer Arabs to Jews.
Boy given the quoted remark above, I'm not sure how you reached that conclusion.
Since you love Palestinian terrorists so much, go live there and give your money to them. Tell them how they are mistreated by the Jews. I'm sure they will treat you with love and admiration.
#31. To: Pinguinite (#27)
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illegal settlement
#32. To: no gnu taxes (#29)
Yeah, and those damn Jews want to take away their bombs and rocket launchers, and protect themselves by building walls.
#33. To: Pinguinite (#30)
#34. To: no gnu taxes (#29)
" Yeah, and those damn Jews want to take away their bombs and rocket launchers, and protect themselves by building walls. "
#35. To: no gnu taxes, Pinguinite (#22)
You are a card carrying Jew hater, and you have demonstrated that many times.
#36. To: Tooconservative (#35)
#37. To: Tooconservative, no gnu taxes (#35)
(Edited)
That really is pretty harsh. I've never seen him say anything like that.
#38. To: no gnu taxes, Tooconservative (#36)
All I have ever seen him do is support every bogus grievance against the Jews, especially Israel.
#39. To: Pinguinite (#38)
(Edited)
In my opinion we can see that in the attitudes of many Israeli jews in regards to illegal settlements and the general treatment of not just Palestinians. (i.e God gave us this holy land so everyone here should get the hell off it or die). Essentially, the basic tenant of Judaism (and please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) is that non-jews pretty much exist for the benefit of jews. It's actually not unlike how we as humans regard the existence of cattle, though of course not to that level.
#40. To: Tooconservative (#39)
#41. To: Pinguinite (#40)
Christians recognize that God loves everyone equally no matter their genes, origins or sins, but Judaism simply doesn't go along with that, at least as far as the old testament goes.
#42. To: Pinguinite (#40)
I remember Sally, AKA Goldi-lox of LP, a converted Jew, telling me on the phone once how Jews were not allowed ot charge fellow Jews interest on loans.
#43. To: Pinguinite (#1)
I am not convinced Israel wants peace at all...
#44. To: Pinguinite (#1)
If Trump were to make the same ultimatum to Israel...
#45. To: Tooconservative (#2)
I saw Times of Israel also reported that France's new prez, Macron, had said he will not recognize Jerusalem as the Palestinian capital but he otherwise will stick with the EU idea that Jerusalem should be a capital for both states in a two-state solution.
#46. To: Liberator (#45)
I realize you know this, but it bears repeating: Jerusalem has been historically JEWISH and the de facto capital of Israel for over 2000 years.
#47. To: Tooconservative (#2)
A handful of small EU countries like Slovenia had been trying to agitate for EU countries to recognize Palestine as a state and its capital as Jerusalem, in effect granting Palestine the status of a nation. That would be a prelude to demanding that Palestine be given a seat at the U.N. So France won't be a part of that. And they do still hold a veto on the Security Council.
#48. To: Tooconservative (#46)
(Edited)
There have been many eras with widely varying Jewish population in Jerusalem and across the lands of ancient Israel.
#49. To: Liberator (#45)
I realize you know this, but it bears repeating: Jerusalem has been historically JEWISH and the de facto capital of Israel for over 2000 years.
#50. To: Liberator (#48)
Jerusalem has been strongly associated with Israel historically longer and more legitimately than any other nation on the planet.
#51. To: Tooconservative (#50)
The Chinese and especially the Japanese would dispute that. Others as well.
#52. To: Tooconservative (#49)
You mean, other than in 70 AD when the Romans leveled it, leaving it unrecognizable according to Josephus. Jesus did prophesy destruction of Jerusalem and the Disapora in Matthew 24. That's when they destroyed the other fortresses and cities of Israel. Enslaved the able-bodied adults and sold all under 17 as personal slaves. Josephus said 1.1 million inhabitants, mostly Jewish, were killed. Then Titus built the Arch of Titus to celebrate. The Jews really hate that thing.
#53. To: Liberator (#52)
Bunch of interesting historical tidbits you scrunched up in that little paragraph.
#54. To: Tooconservative, redleghunter (#53)
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Of course, Josephus wrote from a perspective that local Jewish leaders like the priests and the hothead Zealots provoked the Romans into destroying Jerusalem and other Jewish cities and sending most of the population into slavery. His account of the massacre and aftermath in Jerusalem is pretty grim stuff.
#55. To: Liberator (#54)
Rarely are past bloody aftermaths related in such detail.
#56. To: Tooconservative (#55)
He blamed the Jews but some historians thought he would have been afraid to write anything that would make an emperor want him dead.
#57. To: Liberator (#56)
(Edited)
Off the top of your head have you any idea of Josephus' timeline of his personal account?
Josephus recorded Jewish history, with special emphasis on the first century CE and the First Jewish–Roman War, including the Siege of Masada. His most important works were The Jewish War (c. 75) and Antiquities of the Jews (c. 94). The Jewish War recounts the Jewish revolt against Roman occupation (66–70). Antiquities of the Jews recounts the history of the world from a Jewish perspective for an ostensibly Roman audience. These works provide valuable insight into first century Judaism and the background of Early Christianity. Divided into seven books, it opens with a summary of Jewish history from the capture of Jerusalem by the Seleucid ruler Antiochus IV Epiphanes in 164 BC to the first stages of the First Jewish–Roman War (Book I and II). The next five books detail the unfolding of the war, under Roman generals Vespasian and Titus, to the death of the last Sicarii. The book was written about 75 AD, originally in Josephus's "paternal tongue" – either Aramaic or Hebrew[4] – though this version has not survived. It was later translated into Greek, probably under the supervision of Josephus himself. However, "the current Greek edition does not appear to be a translation, but must be considered a new edition, a complete re-working of the first writing and likely a considerable expansion". 
#58. To: Tooconservative (#57)
So, yeah, for the first-century, it was a very comprehensive account. We have few to match it or even to compare to it.
#59. To: Tooconservative (#57)
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