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Title: Jeff Sessions’s War On Pot Goes To Court, Attorney General Will Fight 12-Year-Old With Epilepsy
Source: FromThe Trenches
URL Source: http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.c ... -year-old-with-epilepsy/216564
Published: Jan 18, 2018
Author: Kate Sheridan
Post Date: 2018-01-19 05:32:03 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 2696
Comments: 55

A 12-year-old suing the federal government may have a whiff of adorableness. But for Alexis Bortell, who filed a lawsuit against Attorney General Jeff Sessions last fall, it’s a choice she had to make to save her life. Alexis has epilepsy, and Sessions has made it his mission to make it impossible for her to access the only drug that has kept her seizures at bay: cannabis.   

A Scream of Terror

Alexis doesn’t remember her first seizure. But her father, Dean Bortell, does.

“We were literally folding clothes, and Alexis was sleeping on the couch,” Bortell told Newsweek. “All of a sudden, I heard her make this shriek—I mean, it was a scream of terror,” he said. “I look over, and Alexis is stiff as a board, on her back, spasming.”

After several months in the dark—at first, Bortell suspected his daughter had a brain-eating amoeba on account of headlines about them that summer—Alexis was diagnosed with epilepsy in 2013.

Three years ago, Alexis began taking medical marijuana, and her seizures disappeared. But that treatment option is threatened by an aggressive federal crackdown on medicinal cannabis led by Sessions, who is also the acting director of the Drug Enforcement Administration.

Her day in court—February 14, at a New York City federal courthouse—is fast approaching. Alexis won’t be there in person, but her lawyer, Michael Hiller, thinks the ruling will go their way.

“We are very optimistic that the case is going to come out the way it should, which is that the Controlled Substances Act is going to be found unconstitutional,” Hiller said. Several other plaintiffs—a former professional football player, a veteran and another child—are also included.

Computer Hope

Alexis Bortell stands in a field in this undated photo.COURTESY OF THE BORTELL FAMILY

Out of Options

The basic outline of Alexis’s story has been well reported: Horrible seizures forced her family to move to Colorado from Texas, where she could use products with compounds derived from marijuana. But due to the concentration of THC, also known as tetrahydrocannabinol, in one of the products she uses, Alexis is unable to cross state lines, board an airplane or set foot on a military base or in other federal buildings and lands.

Biologically, Alexis’s problem begins in the left frontal lobe of her brain. Normally, brain cells communicate with one another using electrical and chemical signals. Epileptic seizures happen when those signals go haywire.

Anyone familiar with epilepsy knows that’s a fairly muted description. These rogue cells can create something terrifying to experience or watch, and you can’t know when the next seizure will strike. It can be “frustratingly random,” Bortell said.

These brain signals can also spark a long-term relationship with one’s local neurologist or hospital as patients and doctors figure out what is happening. But that’s only half the battle; controlling the seizures is the other. For many people with epilepsy, one of the various kinds of prescription drugs available will work. But finding the right one or the right combination can take time. “They try to go mild to wild,” Bortell said.

At home in Texas, none of the mild stuff worked for Alexis. Giving two medications a real shot and having them both fail is usually enough for doctors to call a person’s epilepsy intractable; in other words, unresponsive to drugs. Alexis tried at least 20 different doses or combinations, her father said. She also experienced some extreme side effects from conventional medications.

She had two final options in Texas: See if she was a candidate for surgery to remove the brain tissue where the seizures began or try one last medication, Felbatol. This drug carries a “black box warning,” the most serious kind the U.S. Food and Drug Administration will put on a label to flag extremely dangerous side effects. In this case, Felbatol has been associated with a serious bone marrow disorder and liver failure.

The family decided on Felbatol. But on the way to fill the prescription, their pediatrician called them and suggested they try something else. Weeks later, the Bortells packed their bags and drove to Colorado, ready to try a different course of treatment: a tincture of cannabidiol (a compound found in marijuana that isn’t responsible for a high) and a spray with THC (the compound that is). The CBD tincture tastes “bad and earthy,” Alexis told Newsweek, but it’s been working. She still gets auras, the warning signs that a seizure is about to hit, but she hasn’t had a full-blown episode in the past three years. Her father says the only side effect is the constant threat of federal law enforcement.

Computer Hope

Alexis Bortell, left, and her mother stand in a hemp greenhouse in this undated photo.COURTESY OF THE BORTELL FAMILY

Safer Than Seizures

Some science backs up Alexis’s treatment plan. Clinical trials have shown that CBD can be useful to treat seizure disorders, but we’re still learning why it works. CBD could be working along about a dozen different pathways and receptors, said Dr. Jerzy Szaflarski, the director of the epilepsy center at the University of Alabama at Birmingham. (Coincidentally, that’s the same state university system from which Sessions earned his law degree.) Exactly how many might be related to epilepsy isn’t entirely clear. “The evidence for each and every one of those pathways is there but it’s relatively weak,” Szaflarski said. “It’s going to take a while before we sort this out.”

The evidence is stronger for CBD as an anti-seizure medication than for THC, he noted. “It doesn’t mean that THC doesn’t work for seizures,” said Szaflarski. “It just means that we have much less data because we’ve been studying this much less.”

Despite their utility, these products aren’t without risk, Szaflarski noted. The concentration of CBD in some products available on store shelves can vary from batch to batch. These drugs may interact with traditional anti-seizure medications, changing the amount of the drug found in a person’s blood. And some studies have linked early THC exposure to lower IQs and behavioral problems.

But, Szaflarski noted, “the question is, Do these problems that we see that develop through the use of cannabis outweigh the risk of epilepsy?” For Alexis, the answer is clear: Her drugs are safer than having continued seizures.

A Violation of the Constitution

The government disagrees. It says marijuana has no medical applications whatsoever and is accordingly listed by the DEA as a Schedule 1 drug under the Controlled Substances Act, first passed in 1970.

That entire act is what Alexis, her co-plaintiffs and Hiller, her lawyer, are challenging. Hiller took the case pro-bono and has written a brief that, at 98 pages, is the longest of his career. The document lays out the basic reasons why he believes the act is unconstitutional. Specifically, the case claims the act violates Americans’ fundamental right to travel, as well as the Commerce Clause of the Constitution and the First, Fifth, Ninth and 14th amendments.

Hiller believes the case could end up in the U.S. Supreme Court. It’s impossible to say what the outcome of the case will actually be until a judge hears the arguments and makes a ruling. But while Alexis and her family wait for that outcome, they are on increasingly uncertain ground.

On January 4, Sessions rescinded the Cole memorandum, an Obama-era directive to U.S. attorneys ordering them to focus on prosecuting major distributors and more serious marijuana-related offenses, such as selling to minors. The Rohrabacher-Blumenauer amendment, renewed in December, is also set to expire on January 19. That amendment prevents the Justice Department from using its funding to keep states from implementing medical marijuana laws.

That amendment is likely to be renewed, Hiller said. Senator Elizabeth Warren has also announced plans to introduce legislation that could have the same effect as the Cole memo. But that’s little comfort to the Bortells—a family that just wants to help their child use the one thing that’s worked for her epilepsy.

“No one else is living memo to memo or administration to administration,” Bortell said. “I don’t think asking for my daughter to have that long-term plan for her life—I don’t think that’s asking too much.” (2 images)

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#1. To: Deckard (#0)

“We are very optimistic that the case is going to come out the way it should, which is that the Controlled Substances Act is going to be found unconstitutional,” Hiller said. Several other plaintiffs—a former professional football player, a veteran and another child—are also included.

I doubt there will be such a broad ruling.

The DoJ normally does defend every case, whether a particular A.G. likes it or not. That was always considered to be their job. It was only 0bama and Holder who decided to sandbag cases they didn't like and refuse to defend the enacted laws.

I would expect a narrower ruling in favor of granting exceptions to existing law, not striking down the entire Controlled Substances Act which would have plenty of negative consequences with opioids and other addictive substances.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-19   7:40:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Deckard (#0)

"But due to the concentration of THC ... in one of the products she uses, Alexis is unable to cross state lines, board an airplane or set foot on a military base or in other federal buildings and lands."

Small price to pay, eh?

misterwhite  posted on  2018-01-19   9:51:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Tooconservative (#1)

I would expect a narrower ruling in favor of granting exceptions to existing law,

Drug companies will love that.

Why spend hundreds of million of dollars bringing a drug to market through the whole FDA testing and approval process when you can spend a fraction of that amount to search for some cute kid with an anecdotal story to tell?

misterwhite  posted on  2018-01-19   9:57:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Deckard (#0)

Pot doesn't cure epilepsy.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-01-19   10:00:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: misterwhite (#3)

some cute kid with an anecdotal story to tell..

Good thing Justice is blind.

rustynail  posted on  2018-01-19   10:05:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: misterwhite (#3)

Why spend hundreds of million of dollars bringing a drug to market through the whole FDA testing and approval process when you can spend a fraction of that amount to search for some cute kid with an anecdotal story to tell?

C'mon, this is far from the first time someone's used cute kiddies to sell stuff. Kiddie marketing is as American as Mom, apple pie and baseball.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-19   10:08:20 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: A K A Stone (#4)

Pot doesn't cure epilepsy.

It does reduce the number and intensity of seizures.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2018-01-19   10:16:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: misterwhite (#2)

"But due to the concentration of THC ... in one of the products she uses, Alexis is unable to cross state lines, board an airplane or set foot on a military base or in other federal buildings and lands."

Small price to pay, eh?

In order to live a normal life without epileptic seizures?

You bet it is!

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2018-01-19   10:17:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Deckard, misterwhite, A K A Stone (#8)

Small price to pay, eh?

A guy I knew died from drowning in a bathtub during a seizure.

Hell yes, it's worth using cannabis to minimize the chances of something like that happening!

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Hondo68  posted on  2018-01-19   10:39:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Deckard (#0)

Alexis Bortell, who filed a lawsuit against Attorney General Jeff Sessions last fall, it’s a choice she had to make to save her life. Alexis has epilepsy ...

Bullshit on using marijuana to save her life. Epilepsy itself, that is having seizures isn’t what kills someone with epilepsy. Instead it is the underlying cause of the epilepsy that is deadly. Treatments are available that can successfully control seizures for most people with epilepsy.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-01-19   11:23:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Deckardm A K A Stone (#7)

Pot doesn't cure epilepsy.

It does reduce the number and intensity of seizures.

Regular prescribed seizure medication will do the same thing. But she didn’t bother to take those, from what I read in the article.

Three years ago, Alexis began taking medical marijuana, and her seizures disappeared.
Regular prescribed seizure medication will also make the seizures disappear....with few exceptions, when someone has a treatment-resistant form of the disease.

The article does not say she has a treatment-resistant form the disease.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-01-19   11:38:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Gatlin (#10)

Epilepsy itself, that is having seizures isn’t what kills someone with epilepsy.

Perhaps.

However cannabis has allowed her to live virtually free from seizures.

Treatments are available that can successfully control seizures for most people with epilepsy.

The family tried those.

At home in Texas, none of the mild stuff worked for Alexis. Giving two medications a real shot and having them both fail is usually enough for doctors to call a person’s epilepsy intractable; in other words, unresponsive to drugs. Alexis tried at least 20 different doses or combinations, her father said. She also experienced some extreme side effects from conventional medications.

She had two final options in Texas: See if she was a candidate for surgery to remove the brain tissue where the seizures began or try one last medication, Felbatol. This drug carries a “black box warning,” the most serious kind the U.S. Food and Drug Administration will put on a label to flag extremely dangerous side effects. In this case, Felbatol has been associated with a serious bone marrow disorder and liver failure.

The family decided on Felbatol. But on the way to fill the prescription, their pediatrician called them and suggested they try something else. Weeks later, the Bortells packed their bags and drove to Colorado, ready to try a different course of treatment: a tincture of cannabidiol (a compound found in marijuana that isn’t responsible for a high) and a spray with THC (the compound that is). The CBD tincture tastes “bad and earthy,” Alexis told Newsweek, but it’s been working. She still gets auras, the warning signs that a seizure is about to hit, but she hasn’t had a full-blown episode in the past three years.

Her father says the only side effect is the constant threat of federal law enforcement.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2018-01-19   11:40:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: hondo68, Gatlin, misterwhite, sneakypete, Deckard (#9)

A guy I knew died from drowning in a bathtub during a seizure.

Hell yes, it's worth using cannabis to minimize the chances of something like that happening!

One of my best friends in HS developed severe epilepsy as an adult.

He had a hemispherectomy in his mid-thirties because he could get no relief from any of the drugs and had become unable to work to support his wife and kids.

Yes, they chopped out and removed half of his brain to bring his seizures under control. Surprisingly, his personality was not much altered including more subtle features of intellect like wry insights, irony, humor, etc. I always wondered if he suffered any math impairment but decided I shouldn't ask such things.

Hemispherectomy is a very rare neurosurgical procedure in which a cerebral hemisphere (half of the brain) is removed, disconnected, or disabled. This procedure is used to treat a variety of seizure disorders where the source of the epilepsy is localized to a broad area of a single hemisphere of the brain, notably Rasmussen's encephalitis. About one in three patients with epilepsy will continue to have persistent seizures despite epileptic drug therapy. Hemispherectomy is reserved for the most extreme cases of this one-third in which the individual’s seizures are irresponsive to medications or other less invasive surgeries and significantly impair functioning or put the patient at risk of further complications. The procedure successfully cures seizures in about 85%-90% of patients. Additionally, it is also known to often markedly improve the cognitive functioning and development of the individual.

But, of course, it is far better to chop out half of these untreatable epilectics' brains rather than allow people to use CBD treatments (like Charlotte's Web that contains 0.3% THC) rather than to have Gatlin and misterwhite shitting their Depends at the thought that someone somewhere might be getting high.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-19   12:21:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Tooconservative (#13)

But, of course, it is far better to chop out half of these untreatable epilectics' brains rather than allow people to use CBD treatments

Move to Colorado, take your wunderbar Charlotte's Web, and STFU.

But stop tell telling me we have to legalize this product nationwide based solely on a couple of anecdotal stories. We have a system by which medicines are brought to market. Use them. I see no valid reason why marijuana should be an exception.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-01-19   13:00:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Tooconservative (#13)

Hemispherectomy is a very rare neurosurgical procedure in which a cerebral hemisphere (half of the brain) is removed, disconnected, or disabled.

Rush Limbaugh has half his brain tied behind his back.

Did you know the human head weighs eight pounds?

misterwhite  posted on  2018-01-19   13:04:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: misterwhite, Gatlin, GrandIsland (#15)

I really don't think you and Gatlin grasp the level of suffering by these hard-case epileptics. Some kids can have dozens of micro-seizures per hour. Adults, like the guy I knew, would have several grand mal seizures per hour. People like this, their lives simply are not worth living. So they resort to these truly toxic drugs or radical brain surgery just to get some relief and something like a normal life.

But let them try to use CBD oil with 0.3% THC content? Oh, hell no, that would mean those damned hippies have finally won.

Give it up. The Drug War is over, as far as medical marijuana is concerned. Hell, even Gatlin and GrandIsland are bent on profiting from their occasional speculation on a major Canadian medical marijuana corporation (Cronos).

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-19   13:13:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Deckard (#0)

Jeff Sessions is a toolbag.

All kinds of sedition, domestic espionage and treason swirling around him, 0bama and Hitlery plotted a coup while tampering with a Presidential Election -- and as AG Sessions is focusing on THIS crap? He should funnel major resources and personnel into what REALLY important: PRESERVING THE REPUBLIC!

Can anyone give me a good reason, a logical reason, a tactical reason why Jeff Sessions is still AG? What am I missing here?

Liberator  posted on  2018-01-19   13:31:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Liberator (#17)

Can anyone give me a good reason, a logical reason, a tactical reason why Jeff Sessions is still AG? What am I missing here?

It would preclude Trump from considering replacing him with Crispy Creme as A.G.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-19   13:35:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Tooconservative (#16)

I really don't think you and Gatlin grasp the level of suffering by these hard-case epileptics.

Many people suffer from a variety of illnesses, all the while waiting for some cure to become available. They all read anecdotal stories of some medicine that will help. Some country offering an operation. They're all desperate.

I sympathize. I would be just as desperate.

BUT, I would not be petitioning my government and insisting they make this drug/procedure legal for everyone simply because it might help me.

That's the difference.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-01-19   13:46:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Liberator (#17)

and as AG Sessions is focusing on THIS crap?

"This crap" being the enforcement of existing law. Yeah, why in the hell is the AG wasting his time enforcing existing law?

Hmmmm. Because that's the essence of his job? What would you rather he be doing?

misterwhite  posted on  2018-01-19   13:50:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: misterwhite (#20)

"This crap" being the enforcement of existing law.

You just confessed to what your problem is,and I seriously doubt you even know it. You just love the idea of being a slave to some law telling you what you can and can't do,and punishing you if you "sin" by breaking the law.

You honestly don't give a damn if a law is just or reasonable or not,all you care about is having laws to follow so you don't have to make up your own mind about right and wrong.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-01-19   16:26:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Tooconservative, misterwhite (#16)

Gatlin and GrandIsland are bent on profiting from their occasional speculation on a major Canadian medical marijuana corporation
I am an equal opportunity swing trader.

I buy marijuana stocks and I also buy stocks in casket, funeral and cemetery companies.

Thus, I “make a killing” covering both ends.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-01-19   18:43:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Gatlin (#22)

I wasn't complaining or trying to point fingers. I just thought it was worth pointing out that investing in a CBD company can't really be compared to trying to sell heroin or opiates to kids. I object to people trying to pretend CBD is heroin or possibly worse.

As coincidence would have it, one of the regular writers wrote an update to his own sudden mid-life epilepsy. Out of the blue, he woke up after his first seizure and found he had dislocated and broke his shoulder. He's had surgeries, he's taking one of the epilepsy drugs with some side effects.

AoS: The Cold Shoulder, October 2017

AoS: Aftermath of surgery and physical therapy, today

I don't understand trying to deprive severe epileptics of a chance to take something that many other known epileptics say has helped them to lead normal lives and who are backed by their doctors on it.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-19   19:01:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Tooconservative (#16)

Cronos

It's dropped a little... but I'm still up on it because I bought in cheap.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-01-19   19:03:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: GrandIsland (#24)

Yeah, I was watching it too. It's suffered a correction but may be poised for more growth at a slower rate.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-19   19:11:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Tooconservative (#25)

I'm predicting between 13.00-20.00 a share by August. Canada goes legal weed June or July of 2018. I bought in just over 5.00 a share

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-01-19   20:06:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: GrandIsland (#26)

It seems that much of their earlier price increase was based on the news of their big warehouse expansions and the news that Germany had legalized CBD and Cronos had the first big export deal made with Germany to supply them. I'm not sure when the German market opens to them, sometime later this year, I think.

Cronos wants to be the big international brand name in CBD meds. That's the niche they're targeting, building on their success in Canada's meds market.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-19   21:08:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Tooconservative (#23)

I generally regard anecdotal evidence collected in an informal and extremely casual manner to be hap hazard and therefore since it relies entirely on personal testimony...it is to be of very limited or no value due to any number of potential weaknesses. It has absolutely no scientific value because by its very nature it is prevented from being investigated and verified by any scientific method. This is especially true when only a few anecdotes are presented because there is a much greater chance that are unreliable due to being cherry-picked and are non- representative samples of any typical cases.

It is human nature for people to have a cognitive bias to cause them to more likely remember notable an unusual cases rather than typical examples. We always hear from the ones who testify that marijuana stops seizures but we never hear from perhaps the thousands it did not. From the pot legalization promoters who parrot these few testimonies of unconfirmed successes, there is an attempt to make every one surmise marijuana will stop all epileptic seizures. I would be happy to learn if that ever happens....but I am never going to believe it from the unsupported testimony of a few.

So, because of the way the information is gathered and presented, I find its reliability by any objective assessment to be in doubt. I am being told by the pot advocacy lords to accept testimony without having any verification and I am told I must believe the credibility of the individual presenting the testimony. This is something that goes entirely against my training and human nature....and it is something I simply cannot do.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-01-19   23:23:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Gatlin (#28)

I am being told by the pot advocacy lords to accept testimony without having any verification and I am told I must believe the credibility of the individual presenting the testimony.

Marijuana Treatment Reduces Severe Epileptic Seizures (Scientific American)

A rigorous study validates a cannabis-derived treatment for a rare, drug-resistant childhood epilepsy

Published in The New England Journal of Medicine, the findings stem from a double-blind, placebo-controlled study—the most scientifically rigorous type of investigation possible. “This study clearly establishes cannabidiol as an effective anti-seizure drug for this disorder and this age group," says principal investigator Orrin Devinsky, director of the Comprehensive Epilepsy Center at New York University Langone Medical Center. “It certainly deserves to be studied in other types of epilepsy.”

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2018-01-20   0:04:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Deckard (#29)

Realm of Caring, a cannabis research, education and advocacy group
Research conducted by pot legalization advocacy group….LMAO.

And you really expect me to believe them...ROTFLMAO.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-01-20   0:13:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Gatlin (#30) (Edited)

Realm of Caring,

Published in The New England Journal of Medicine, the findings stem from a double-blind, placebo-controlled study—the most scientifically rigorous type of investigation possible. “This study clearly establishes cannabidiol as an effective anti-seizure drug for this disorder and this age group," says principal investigator Orrin Devinsky, director of the Comprehensive Epilepsy Center at New York University Langone Medical Center.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2018-01-20   1:20:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Tooconservative (#23)

"I don't understand trying to deprive severe epileptics of a chance to take something ..."

Epileptics are not being "deprived". They're being told that those drugs are not legally obtainable in most states.

misterwhite  posted on  2018-01-20   8:13:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Deckard (#31)

Realm of Caring,

Published in The New England Journal of Medicine, the findings stem from a double-blind, placebo-controlled study—the most scientifically rigorous type of investigation possible. “This study clearly establishes cannabidiol as an effective anti-seizure drug for this disorder and this age group," says principal investigator Orrin Devinsky, director of the Comprehensive Epilepsy Center at New York University Langone Medical Center.

You omitted point out and stress that this was done by an “advocacy group” [their words, not mine] whose mission is ...

Some advocacy groups have been accused of manipulation and in some instances have been found guilty of corruption, fraud, bribery, and other serious crimes.

I am in no way saying or suggesting that is what is being done here.

I am however strongly reminding your that just because you read something official looking on the Web does not make it true. In your case, it only makes believe more strongly what you already want to believe.

I will pay no attention or give any credence to something an advocacy group has to say in during any efforts to influence public opinion to support the legalization and use of marijuana. You can, you do, and that is fine for you....you gullible asshole.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-01-20   8:29:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Gatlin (#33) (Edited)

I will pay no attention or give any credence to something an advocacy group has to say in during any efforts to influence public opinion to support the legalization and use of marijuana.

No advocacy group had any influence on this study.

NYU Langone’s Comprehensive Epilepsy Centere

At NYU Langone’s Comprehensive Epilepsy Center, excellence in patient care is our core mission. Our specialized doctors, nurse practitioners, clinical nurses, neuropsychologists, and electroencephalogram (EEG) technologists are dedicated to exploring the complexities of epilepsy and seizure disorders in adults and in children, and developing a comprehensive treatment plan that manages your symptoms and improves your quality of life.

Neurologist Dr. Orrin Devinsky
with Patients

The Comprehensive Epilepsy Center is among the largest epilepsy treatment programs in the United States. We specialize in treating challenging forms of epilepsy. These are best addressed through collaboration, so we hold weekly conferences that bring more than 20 members of our team together to develop the best treatment strategy for you.

Rules of Disinformation

19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the “play dumb” rule.

Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon).

In order to completely avoid discussing issues may require you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2018-01-20   9:13:20 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Gatlin (#33) (Edited)

You omitted point out and stress that this was done by an “advocacy group” [their words, not mine] whose mission is ...

You're not being honest. Your claim that a group called "Realm of Caring" was responsible for this study is complete bullshit.

In fact the only time the SA article mentions them is when they talk about Sam Riggio, who happens to be the director of operations for Realm of Caring and who has a child with epilepsy.

But by all means - continue to post your lies - it's very educational to see your full-blown ignorance in action.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2018-01-20   9:26:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Deckard (#0)

Sessions needs to be removed from office for being a senile old fart.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-01-20   11:07:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Tooconservative (#1)

I would expect a narrower ruling in favor of granting exceptions to existing law, not striking down the entire Controlled Substances Act which would have plenty of negative consequences with opioids and other addictive substances.

What is to prevent them from just writing a new law that exempts marijuana from being classed with heroin and other dangerous drugs?

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-01-20   11:08:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: misterwhite (#2)

"But due to the concentration of THC ... in one of the products she uses, Alexis is unable to cross state lines, board an airplane or set foot on a military base or in other federal buildings and lands."

Small price to pay, eh?

Yes it is,but it's still unreasonable.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-01-20   11:09:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: A K A Stone (#4)

Pot doesn't cure epilepsy.

Nobody is claiming it does. They are just claiming it can help control the seizures.

Insulin doesn't cure diabetes,either. Are you ready to have it outlawed because it is dangerous for non-diabetes and it doesn't cure diabetes?

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-01-20   11:11:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Gatlin (#10)

Epilepsy itself, that is having seizures isn’t what kills someone with epilepsy

HorseHillary! You have to be a world-class fool to try to claim that epileptics don't die from seizures.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-01-20   11:13:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Gatlin (#11)

But she didn’t bother to take those, from what I read in the article.

We must have been reading different articles,then. Read it again.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2018-01-20   11:14:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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