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Title: Advertisement By AdRecover Facts, Alternative Facts, & Inconsistencies In Marine Gun Case
Source: Gateway Pundit
URL Source: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201 ... consistencies-marine-gun-case/
Published: Jan 18, 2018
Author: Brock Simmons
Post Date: 2018-01-18 09:51:58 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 149
Comments: 10

EXCLUSIVE! The Gateway Pundit has obtained the stack of police reports filed in conjunction with the Joey Nelson case. Joseph Nelson is the active duty Marine who drew and fired on an armed intruder trying to break into his home, where his fiance and their 3 week old baby were. Nelson is currently in the Wayne County jail up on multiple felony charges.

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The door jamb to the front door of Joey Nelson and Amanda Smith’s home. This was no casual knock of someone who was there to have a coffee.

This was no casual knock of someone who was there to have a coffee.

Let’s start with the statements made by Michael Scott Wilson and Andrea Ward. Ward is Wilson’s girlfriend. Ward was at the house of Nelson and his girlfriend, Amanda Smith, claiming that she wanted to leave because she “felt threatened” by Joey’s words. So she went outside, right in the driveway of the house, and texted the address to Wilson so he could come and pick her up. If she felt so threatened, why did she stay on the premises? Google Maps shows a McDonalds, 2 gas stations, Dunkin Donuts, and CVS just 5 blocks away. Ward could have easily just gone to one of those locations.

When Wilson showed up, roughly 15 minutes later, Ward claims Wilson didn’t see her in the driveway next to the house, and that’s why Wilson got out of his truck and went to bang on the door. So, Ward just stood there, not saying anything, when Wilson pulled into the driveway, and continued to say nothing while watching him get out of his truck and go to the door?

Things get even more interesting as Wilson says he picked up a tank of nitrous oxide off the porch and put in the back of his truck, and then went back to bang on the door. He claims that he knows the tank belonged to Ward. Ward says nothing of this. Yet she is able to testify as to his movements from the moment he parked.

So who’s lying to the police, Ward or Wilson?

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Ward also gave statements regarding the interaction between Wilson and Nelson in the doorway. How could Ward have seen that if Wilson didn’t see Ward? In order to witness that, Ward would have had to have been between Wilson’s truck and the front door, therefore not giving Wilson a reason to bang on the door, unless Wilson was there to pick a fight.

Joey’s father, Steve, even posted a quick video on his facebook page, in the driveway of the home, explaining how what Ward says is unlikely true.

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Also note that these statements were written between 3:30 and 4:00, which is an intentional tactic by the police, knowing that witnesses are less cognizant when they are sleep deprived, and more likely to give contradictory statements, forget key details, or in other ways “misremember” the events in question. The more misinformation given by witnesses, the more likely the police can find ways to charge more people with more crimes.

Futhermore, eyewitness accounts are scientifically proven to be some of least reliable evidence, yet are still considered to be “fact” in legal terms.

The initial paperwork and charging instruments filed by police seem confusing and contradictory, listing Nelson as the victim and Wilson as the perpetrator of multiple crimes, but then they went and charged Nelson with multiple felonies and Wilson with only one.

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Things get even more interesting when we turn to the written statements by Lisa Marcoux, one of the witnesses who was in the home when the altercation occurred.

Marcoux claims that Ward said “I’ll get you” to Nelson, as she started to head out the door to wait for her ride. If that’s not demonstrating some sort of intent, I don’t know what is.

To clear up a couple of other questions:

Many have talked about the Marine JAG attorneys getting involved, but as it turns out, they do not get involved in matters involving the civilian world.

Initial rumors propagated by mainstream media pinned this on an argument over a girl that Wilson and Nelson were fighting over. That is clearly #FakeNews.

The police reports also claim that there was a strong order of marijuana in the house and a pipe found on the table, yet no one was arrested on possession of marijuana or paraphernalia.

In a previous story, we reported that Nelson has been denied counsel with his attorney. Here’s a shot of his attorney, Charles Woodards, pointing out the timeframe in which Nelson asked to speak with an attorney. The jail guards would not let Woodards meet with Nelson, despite Woodards even having a Writ Of Habeas Corpus from a judge.

Nelson is rumored to have made bail, thanks largely to the Go Fund Me page set up by his friends and family, and they are awaiting his release. The charges, however, still stand as of this moment.

The Gateway Pundit is continuing to follow this story. Stay tuned for updates as they develop. (11 images)

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#1. To: Deckard (#0) (Edited)

Obviously, there is a lot more to this story.

Having a tank of nitrous oxide is likely illegal. Michigan regulates its use by dental hygienists fairly strictly, pretty average for the Midwest.

I see the felony weapons charge is a pile-on charge. This will likely be dropped, possibly as part of a plea bargain.

The changing facts in this case indicates that the charges filed may change considerably for all parties.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-18   10:20:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Tooconservative (#1)

Laughing gas is illegal?

That's a knee slapper!

Fred Mertz  posted on  2018-01-18   10:24:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Deckard (#0)

Yes, this is confusing.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-01-18   10:42:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Deckard (#0)

So who’s lying to the police, Ward or Wilson?

Ah Ha!

When we know the FACTS, then and ONLY then, should we try to place blame and pass judgment.

Logical....right?

We really need to find out “who” did “what” and “why.” We can pretty much already determine “when” and “how.”

Gatlin  posted on  2018-01-18   10:52:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Gatlin (#4)

So who’s lying to the police, Ward or Wilson?

Ah Ha!

Certainly not Nelson, the Marine who was minding his own business when his home was invaded and he was shot by one of the intruders.

At which time - he returned fire in SELF DEFENSE.

That fact is indisputable.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2018-01-18   10:58:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Deckard (#5)

So who’s lying to the police, Ward or Wilson?

Certainly not Nelson, the Marine who was minding his own business when his home was invaded and he was shot by one of the intruders.

At which time - he returned fire in SELF DEFENSE.

You know NONE of that....you are posting ONLY what you want to believe.

That are many aspects to this situation we are not privy to and it will be up to a jury to listen to them to determine guilt or innocence....unless he does a plea bargain.

Shooting someone who first shot you, or at you, cannot always be called “self- defense.” You must first distinguish the vigilant from the vigilante in self-defense law. To do this in our justice system, the key issue in provocation is whether legally adequate provocation was present. It is most important to note here that legally adequate provocation is said to exist if the person who fired the first shot was reasonably provoked into a heat of passion. That has not been determined....and it is a facet to which due consideration must be given.

I have to disappoint you, Deckard....to tell you that things are not always what you are channeled to believe by some agenda driven authors.

That [self-defense] fact is indisputable.

No, it definitely is not indisputable. It is being disputed NOW. He was arrested.

So, there....so much for your DECLATATION.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-01-18   11:37:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Gatlin (#6) (Edited)

Shooting someone who first shot you, or at you, cannot always be called “self- defense.”

Really? Even when the guy who shot you was breaking into your home?

WTF was he supposed to do, wait until he shot at him again?

I know , maybe Nelson should have politely asked the armed intruders to leave

Oh wait - he did that, got shot and then he returned fire IN SELF DEFENSE.

Your hypocrisy is stunning - had this been a cop in the same situation as Nelson, you would have claimed he "feared for his life".

Why is it that you hold a different standard for pigs and civilians?

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2018-01-18   12:38:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Deckard (#7) (Edited)

Here is where this all stands at this point in time. We simply don’t know why the prosecutor arrested him. But we should know that it is not always a case of self-defense if you return fire after you are shot at. Case law all over the place, look it up.

The jury will learn everything about this situation and then they, and only they, will decide if he is innocent or guilty.

That is the way justice works in this great country, called America.....and it is something those who disrespectfully take a knee and call it “Amkerika” cannot understand.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-01-18   12:41:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Gatlin, Deckard, GrandIsland (#8)

This could even be a murder-for-hire or murder-by-deception plot.

The woman called the home invader to come pick her up and said stuff to him on the phone to get him real mad. Then she kinda hid outside and didn't make herself known when the invader came zooming up to the door.

Beyond that, we don't know what was said or how weapons were brandished, whether fighting words were involved.

What if the Marine opened the door and said something like "Now I am going to kill you!". And so the "invader" shot first.

These kinds of situations may be unusual but they do happen with some regularity.

We just need a lot more facts to determine anything about this case.

But in the meantime, keep yourselves entertained ripping each others' guts out with a dull keyboard.     : )

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-18   14:18:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Tooconservative (#9)

But in the meantime, keep yourselves entertained ripping each others' guts out with a dull keyboard. :

I am already through with this one, I made my summation in Post #8.

I have moved on to new and more fertile ground here.

You need to stay alert or you may get caught in the cross fire ...

Gatlin  posted on  2018-01-18   15:23:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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