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Published: Jan 10, 2018
Author: Stoner
Post Date: 2018-01-10 10:12:55 by Stoner
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Well, after the meeting yesterday, between Pres Trump, and Democrat & Republican Congressional leaders, where it appears Trump is not going to object to DACA, and he stated the next phase would be getting " Comprehensive Immigration Reform ". Trump even stated he would sign " anything " they send him. Well LFers, what do you all think ???
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#5. To: Stoner, Bill of Love, President Trump, Amnesty Don, *Border Invasion* (#0)
Well LFers, what do you all think ??? Too much winning, STOP! Hillary, Donald, and Jeb! "just want to provide for their family", so whatever they do is OK? It's all "An Act of Love". /s WASHINGTON — President Trump on Tuesday appeared open to negotiating a sweeping immigration deal that would eventually grant millions of undocumented immigrants a pathway to citizenship, declaring that he was willing to “take the heat” politically for an approach that seemed to flatly contradict the anti-immigration stance that charged his political rise. The president made the remarks during an extended meeting with congressional Republicans and Democrats who are weighing a shorter-term agreement that would extend legal status for undocumented immigrants brought to the United States as children. The 90-minute session — more than half of which played out on national television — appeared to produce some progress: Mr. Trump agreed to a framework for a short-term immigration deal to couple protection for young, undocumented immigrants with border security. But in suggesting that a broader immigration measure was possible next, Mr. Trump was giving a rare public glimpse of an impulse he has expressed privately to advisers and lawmakers — the desire to preside over a more far-reaching solution to the status of the 11 million undocumented immigrants already living and working in the United States. Passage of a comprehensive immigration law would give Mr. Trump success where Presidents Barack Obama and George W. Bush failed. The push for an immigration deal with Democrats has the potential to alienate the hard-line anti-immigration activists who powered his political rise and helped him win the presidency, many of whom have described it as amnesty for lawbreakers. If he succeeds, it could be compared to Richard Nixon’s historic trip to China. Only an anti-Communist hard-liner could have made the opening acceptable to his supporters. If he fails, it would be more like Ronald Reagan in Reykjavik, Iceland, where he suggested eliminating much of the United States and Soviet nuclear arsenal, a momentary glimmer of idealism that was crushed by a backlash from his own party. Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, floated the idea of a broader immigration deal during the meeting in the White House Cabinet Room on Tuesday, making clear that it would have to include a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants already in the country. Mr. Trump replied: “If you want to take it that further step, I’ll take the heat. I will take all the heat. You are not that far away from comprehensive immigration reform.” Lawmakers from both parties were taken aback by the president’s words. “My head is spinning with all the things that were said by the president and others in that room in the course of an hour and a half,” said Senator Richard J. Durbin, Democrat of Illinois, who has been leading the talks. The president has been known to make conflicting or contradictory statements on complex policy issues, only to walk them back or change his mind. White House officials declined to provide specifics about what kind of immigration overhaul the president would favor, saying he was focused on the shorter-term measure that would shield undocumented immigrants brought to the country as children from deportation, in exchange for more border agents and a down payment on a border wall. ........
That's all fine. As long as the Wall gets built and the Border is enforced, the flow will stop. That's the key: we've got to stop the flow. The Dreamers are already here, already part of the system. It would be immensely cruel to rip them up and deport them. I know that many don't care about that. But more do, which means you can't get a sniff of anything ELSE you want if you insist on their deportation. The political will, and power, does not exist - the numbers do not exist - to force a deportation of the Dreamers and a Wall. Trump knows that, and he doesn't want to deport the Dreamers anyway, never did. He made that obvious during the campaign, and he hasn't changed his mind. At the end of the day, the Dreamers stay. No matter how much the Right, the Far Right, the Nationalists, the Nativists bleed out the eyes, there are not enough of them to be able to break the will of the majority on that matter. The Dreamers stay. The question is simple: Do you want to stop the immigration inflow. THAT can be done, as part of a grand compromise. THAT is what is needed to save the culture, long term. There is room to maneuver there, by playing off the DACA desires against the border security desires, and NOT getting rolled like Reagan. That's doable. Throwing out all of the Dreamers? Never gonna happen. No matter how painful that reality is, it is reality. But the fear of action against the Dreamers is sufficient to drag concessions from the Democrats and the pro- immigration Republicans.
They can be deported, no matter how many times people repeat this nonsense that we can't deport so many. Of course we can. And the longer it takes for the parties to make a deal, the more likely it is that ICE will just start arresting and deporting them.
#20. To: Tooconservative (#12)
Of course we can. And the longer it takes for the parties to make a deal, the more likely it is that ICE will just start arresting and deporting them. For that to happen, your Republicans have to be willing. They control both Houses of Congress, the Presidency and the Supreme Court. No Democrat support is needed. If the Republicans WANTED to deport the Dreamers and build the Wall, it would be happening already. It's not, because they don't. So, either the Border stays open, the Dreamers stay and the Wall never gets built, because the Republicans won't do anything, OR Trump gives the Republicans ENOUGH that they will give him the Wall. He will have to drive a hard bargain with the Republicans to get that, and he will have to insist on quid pro quo, not that he act first and they get around to not giving him what he bargained for, as happened to Reagan. But in the end, this is all a negotiation WITHIN the Republican party. The Democrats are there to claim credit for any good points that come out (from their perspective). Because so many powerful Republicans actually agree with the Democrats, the question is whether enough of them can be turned to accept a compromise. If not, then the Border will stay open and the immigration train will continue.
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Trump Appears to Endorse Path to Citizenship for Millions of Immigrants (NY Slimes)
#9. To: hondo68 (#5)
#12. To: Vicomte13 (#9)
At the end of the day, the Dreamers stay. No matter how much the Right, the Far Right, the Nationalists, the Nativists bleed out the eyes, there are not enough of them to be able to break the will of the majority on that matter. The Dreamers stay.
Replies to Comment # 12. They can be deported, no matter how many times people repeat this nonsense that we can't deport so many.
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