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Title: No One Cares If You (Cops) Go Home Safe At The End Of Your Shift
Source: The Sacred Cow Slaughterhouse
URL Source: http://www.michaelzwilliamson.com/blog/index.php?itemid=441
Published: Jan 2, 2018
Author: Michael Z. Williamson
Post Date: 2018-01-03 17:41:53 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 5351
Comments: 52

Here at the house, I have a couple of decades plus of military experience.  I have tools to dig in or out of natural disasters.  I have extinguishers and hoses. I have a field trauma kit and bandages. I have weapons both melee and firearm. I know how to use them. I know how to trench, support and revet. 

I understand the fire triangle and appropriate approaches.  I understand breathing, bleeding and shock.  I know how to detain, restrain and control. I have done all of these at least occasionally, professionally. I've stood on top of a collapsing levee in a flood. I've fought a structure fire from inside so we could get everyone out before the fire department showed up, which only took two minutes, but people can die that fast. 

I've had structures collapse while I was working on them. I've been in an aircraft that had a "mechanical" on approach and had to be repaired in-flight before landing. I've helped control a brush fire.  I've hauled disabled vehicles out of ditches in sub-zero weather.

My ex wife has over a decade or service and some of the same training.

We have trained our young adult children.

My wife is a rancher who knows her way around a shotgun, livestock, sutures and tools, hurricanes and floods, and works in investigations professionally.

Our current houseguest is another veteran.

This means if anything happens at the house--and last year we had a lightning strike, a tornado and a flood within 10 days--we're pretty well prepared.

Now, we're probably better off than 95% of the households out there. The level of disaster that necessitates backup varies.

If we find it necessary to call 911, it means the party is in progress and it's bad.

You will probably not be going home safe at the end of your shift.

And you know what? If it gets to that point, I really don't give a shit. I don't give a shit if you get smoked.  I don't give a shit if you fall under a tree. I don't give a shit if you get shot at.

Because at that point, I've done everything I can with that same circumstance, and run out of resources.

If my concern was "you going home safe," then I'd just fucking hunker down and die. Because I wouldn't want that poor responder to endanger himself.

Except...that's what I pay taxes for, and that's what you signed up for. Just like I signed up to walk into a potential nuke war in Germany and hold off the Soviets, and did walk into the Middle East and prepare to take fire while keeping expensive equipment functioning so our shooters could keep shooting.

There's not a single set of orders I got that said my primary job was to "Come home safe." They said it was to "support the mission" or "complete the objective." Coming home safe was the ideal outcome, but entirely secondary to "supporting" or "completing." Nor, once that started, did I get a choice to quit. Once in, all in.

When that 80 year old lady smells smoke or hears a noise outside her first floor bedroom in the ghetto, she doesn't care if you go home safe, either. She's afraid she or the kids next door won't wake up in the morning.

If I call, I expect your ass to show up, sober, trained, professional. I expect you to wade in with me or in place of me, and drag a child out of a hole, or out from a burning room, or actually stand up and block bullets from hitting said child, because by the time you get there, I'll have already done all that. And there will be field dressings, chainsawed trees, buckets and empty brass scattered about.

I don't want to hear some drunk and confused guy squirming on the ground playing "Simon Says" terrified you so much you had to blow him away.  I don't want to hear that some random guy 35 yards away who you had no actual information on "may have reached toward his waist band. Or that "the tree might fall any moment" or that "the smoke makes it hard to see."

Near as I can tell, I don't hear the smokejumpers, or the firefighters, or the disaster rescue people say such things.

But it's all I ever hear from the cops. If you and your five girlfriends in body armor, with rifles, are that terrified of actually risking your life for the theoretically dangerous job you volunteered for and can quit any time, then please do quit. 

You can get a job doing pest control and go home safe every night.

Until a bunch of fucking pussies with big tattoos, small dicks, body armor and guns blow you away for minding your own business.

Because what you're telling me with that statement is, your only concern is cashing a check. That's fine.  But if that's your concern, don't pretend you're serving the public.  If you wanted to help people at risk of life, you would be a firefighter, running into buildings, dragging people out, getting scorched regularly.

If you're cool with writing tickets, then there's jobs where you can do just that.

If you want to tangle with bad guys and blow them away, fair enough.  But understand: That means they get to shoot first to prove their intent, just as happens with the military these days. Our ROE these days are usually "only if fired upon and no civilians are at risk."

If your plan is "shoot first, shoot later, shoot some more, then if anyone is still alive try to ask questions," and bleat, "But I was afeard fer mah lahf!" you're absolutely no better than the thugs you claim to oppose. All you are is another combatant in a turf war I don't care about.

Since I know your primary concern is "being safe," then I'll do you the favor of not calling. Cash your welfare check, and try not to shoot me at a "courtesy" sobriety checkpoint for twitching my eye "in a way that suggested range estimation."

If you're one of the vanishingly few cops who isn't like that, then what the hell are you doing about it?  If there's going to be a lawsuit costing the city millions, isn't it better that it be a labor suit from the union over the clown you fired, than a wrongful death suit over the poor bastard the clown shot? Both are expensive, but one has a dead victim you enabled. So how much do you actually care about that life?

How is the training so bad that it's not clear who is the scene commander who gives the orders?

How is it that trigger happy bozos who, out of costume, look no different from the gangbangers you claim to oppose, get sent up front to fulfill their wish of hosing someone down because "I was afraid for my life!"?

Why does the rot exist in your department?

If you can't do anything about it, why are you still in that department?

At some point, collective guilt is a thing.

You've probably not been a good cop for a long time.

And I still don't care if you go home safe. I care that everyone you purport to "serve and protect" goes home safe.

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#12. To: Deckard (#10)

... is not in my wheelhouse.
As a student of human nature and therefore understanding the ways of thinking, acting, and reacting that are common to “most all” human beings, I have long been very fascinated with and most skeptical as to exactly “what is in your wheelhouse.”

This came of the notion that your brain was far too subjectively aligned thus making reality to you most difficult, if not virtually impossible, to accept.

A human brain is normally wired for compassion, for remorse and for a kind of empathic reaction that causes someone who inflicts hurt to feel the degree of suffering that is not unlike the intensity as what the victim is experiencing.

While I cannot understand your burning ingrained desire to constantly inflict morbid evil happenings upon people, I do realize that it must not an easy thing for you to do.

For you to have become the person you are now, you obviously had to constantly overcome a lot of powerful neutral wiring to act the way you do.

Such a thing as a normal life really must be a bitch for you to understand and impossible for you to try to live...

Gatlin  posted on  2018-01-04   7:50:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Deckard (#10)
(Edited)

All of us here ...
Specifically, who are the “all of us here” about whom you speak?

I can only count you and two others....and that is far too small a gathering for you to refer to yourselves as “all of us here.”

You do need to get real and stop with your overly exuberant use of gross generalizations.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-01-04   7:59:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Gatlin (#13)

All of us here ...

The truth is, "all of us here" is all the DRUG ADDICT LOVING AGENDA posters that post here because they've been eradicated from all other chit chat channels... maybe 5-10 posters maximum.

But that's part of DickTards yella propaganda... he knows the assholes scream the loudest, and he confuses the loudest as the most. The loud assholes have certainly left LP and now this forum as insignificant as a on-line forum.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-01-04   8:28:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Deckard (#10) (Edited)

... want cops to do their jobs properly ...

And that they do the jobs properly 99 percent of the time....it will never be 100 percent. It is the one percent that you are obsessing over and continually get your panties all wadded up in your crouch about.

Given the wrong circumstances, even the good cops often get caught up in some very bad happenings. When actions boils down to unethical behavior, the good cops don’t tend to go right off the deep end. Rather, sometimes the mind plays tricks on them, pushing them down the slippery slope of questionable behavior. And when that happens, as it does, then justice must be called upon to prevail....and it is.

A fitting quote here would be one by C.S. Lewis when he said:

Integrity is doing the right thing, even when no one is watching.
Probably the most revealing thing about ethical violations is the simple and almost mundane conditions that always contribute to them. Thankfully, a small amount of knowledge will go a very long way in reducing environments that contribute to this behavior. Keep the God Damned dogs locked up or securely chained when cops are around and most importantly, don’t perform any actions where cops need to be called.

... and be held accountable when they kill innocent people and pets.
They are and will continue to be. Just because you are “mind swayed” by some yellow journalism articles that are biased with incomplete factual information...you disagreement with the verdicts is of no consequence to anyone but yourself.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-01-04   8:32:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: GrandIsland (#11)

Actually, if you look at his FB page (he has more than one) you will see constant cop hatred

What you and the other badge-lickers perceive as hatred is most likely well-founded criticism.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2018-01-04   8:34:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: GrandIsland (#14)

All of us here ...

The truth is, "all of us here" is all the DRUG ADDICT LOVING AGENDA posters that post here because they've been eradicated from all other chit chat channels... maybe 5-10 posters maximum. But that's part of DickTards yella propaganda... he knows the assholes scream the loudest, and he confuses the loudest as the most. The loud assholes have certainly left LP and now this forum as insignificant as a on-line forum.

And the further truth is that it is quite amusing to read their hilariously ignorant posts void of any sane and logical reasoning....and subjecting them to contemptuous and dismissive language for their asinine behavior.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-01-04   8:43:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Gatlin (#17)

DRUG ADDICT LOVING AGENDA posters

You two clowns are an absolute RIOT!!

The articles I post here are informative and have the added effect of making the statist boot-lickers show their hideous colors.

hilariously ignorant posts void of any sane and logical reasoning

Don't be so hard on yourself Parsons - just keep trying to become relevant, maybe someday you'll make it.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2018-01-04   8:48:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Deckard, GrendIsland (#16)

... is most likely well-founded criticism.
NO....NO...NO.

The radical behavior you fanatical cop-haters show with your critical zeal and obsessive enthusiasm can never in any way be considered to be “well-founded criticism.”

“You may be a fanatic when” you are so sure that your views are the truth and you continually see those who hold different views as “boot-lickers.”

An obsessed form of fanaticism can at times be over the top and potentially dangerous. When you become overly involved to a degree that is so excessive.... it pushes other ideas or activities out of the way.

Fanaticism does entail a lack of mental balance in a person's life and thoughts.... you, Deckard, are definitely at that point.

Lighten up ...

Gatlin  posted on  2018-01-04   9:04:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Gatlin (#19)

The radical behavior you fanatical cop-haters

Get bent - I don't "hate" all cops.

The fact is that even the good ones who do nothing to expose the bad ones are just as culpable.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2018-01-04   9:07:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Deckard (#18)

The articles I post here are ...
The articles you post here are mostly biased hit pieces founded on a tissue of lies and laced with strong emotional manipulation and outraged view points.

The intent is obviously to sway public opinion by presenting false or biased information in a way that appears objective and truthful.

You are acting a messenger for the pure evil when you post such articles ...

Gatlin  posted on  2018-01-04   9:16:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Gatlin (#19)

DickTard...

is most likely well-founded criticism

Well founded criticism... just like this guy would claim on Facebook...

"Nearly two weeks earlier, Riehl said he was a libertarian candidate for the Douglas County Sheriff’s position in a YouTube video, which was titled, “Fire Sheriff Spurlock.” In the clip he claimed Deputy Brian Briggs was a “pimp.”

Riehl was a veteran who did a tour of Iraq in 2009 until 2010. He was honorably discharged two years later."

Riehl shot a 5 officers and killed one, last week, in an ambush. An FBI profile would match (to a T) him to Decktard, Hondope and a few others here.

Riehl stated on YouTube that he just hated "bad cops".

lol

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-01-04   9:18:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Deckard (#20) (Edited)

I don't "hate" all cops.

You're a drug addict loving, cop hating douche bag anarchist. Your post history here exposes that. Your presence here is an AGENDA.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-01-04   9:21:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Gatlin (#21)

The intent is obviously to sway public opinion

Is your opinion being swayed Parsons?

Is FireIslands?

Is anyone's?

The answer is no - so shut you gaping cake-hole and stop trying to make this site into an echo chamber where cop-worship rules the day.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2018-01-04   9:22:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: GrandIsland (#23)

You really need to seek help for your uncontrollable rage. May I suggest an anger management session with a competent psychologist?

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2018-01-04   9:23:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Deckard (#20)

Get bent - I don't "hate" all cops.

Get real – your posting activities indicate that you do severly hate all cops.

“Perception is reality.”

I must go now and I will leave you with this thought as I go ...

Common sense should urge you to consider the powerful native virtue of giving abundant welcome to truth in every practice and activity of your miserable life. Your ignorance along with its prejudices is the biggest foe to truth for you. While the internal warfare you cannot muster to wage against your ignorance leaves you to remain a troubled and misguided individual.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-01-04   9:23:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Deckard (#25)

May I suggest

Only in person, if you had the balls. Otherwise, piss off.

lol

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-01-04   9:26:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Gatlin (#26)

virtue of giving abundant welcome to truth

Yeah - you should try that Parsons instead of your abhorrent and tenuous ignoring of facts and quoting hedonistic baby-killers as fonts of wisdom.

Of course you can't do that because in your world, War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2018-01-04   9:29:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: GrandIsland (#27)

Tsk tsk, what a disgustingly foul and fetid little man you are.

Really man - your insanity is becoming more apparent by the day.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2018-01-04   9:31:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Deckard (#24) (Edited)

The intent is obviously to sway public opinion

Is your opinion being swayed Parsons?

Hell yea, it has been....absolutely.

I once had the opinion that you were a somewhat bright young fellow with a restricted degree of intelligence. But that was long, long, ago before the “hate worms” started eating away at your brain and caused you to become - well, you know the type....pinched up face, dark piercing eyes, and a mouth that is always fixed in a scowl - as you make your daily appearances on the forum spreading daily misery articles.

But now, my opinion of you has been swayed and is much lower ...

Gatlin  posted on  2018-01-04   12:15:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Deckard (#28)

... quoting hedonistic baby-killers as fonts of wisdom.
You once so proudly pointed out to me that “truth is truth no matter wherever you find it.”

Apparently you have selectively forgotten the true meaning of your own words.

But then, that’s quite understandable....since you either forget or choose to ignore so many things.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-01-04   12:23:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Gatlin (#31)

The sources I quote are legit - I don't use quotes from hedonistic baby-killers and make the absurd claim that they are pearls of wisdom.

I think I've humiliated you enough on this thread.

I kinda feel sorry for you.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2018-01-04   12:42:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Deckard (#32)

Many of the sources you use are fixed with yellow journalism and at times even fake news. All of which comes from a mix of cynical quasi-political operators and business opportunists who have blanked the internet with yellow journalism articles and falsely generated news stories.

They concentrate and solely focus on you “clicking” with your pre-conceived biases. You simply have become addicted to the style of reporting that emphasizes sensationalism over facts. This is no criticism of you....it is just a recognizable truthism.

The sources I quote are legit ...
Ha ha! You better stick with “goldilocks and the three bears.”

That story has more legitimacy in one word that you can find in a entire series of your posted articles.

I think I've humiliated you enough on this thread.

I kinda feel sorry for you.

Oh yessa sir massa'iz gon be thankin’ you fo dat. You are indeed so very kind and considerate to me. I am much obliged and deeply appreciate your wonderful heartfelt kindness.

Gatlin  posted on  2018-01-04   13:43:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Deckard (#0)

This is a pretty good essay.

Since when does anyone, let alone public safety employees, have a right to go home safely? No one else gets that guarantee.

If you're so insecure and easily frightened, don't become a cop or a fireman or a soldier. Those are jobs for men.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-07   2:09:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Pinguinite, hondo68 (#1)

A related item from AoS a day ago:

Wichita cop responding to 911 suicide call accidentally shoots 9-year-old girl in the forehead
Because he was shooting at the family dog....

You cannot make this shit up.

All of you staunch defenders of police actions such as this, remind me why the life of a police officer is more important than the lives of those he is supposed to protect and serve? And why they seem to shoot at dogs at an alarming rate? And why he couldn't have used his baton or mace or taser or just...you know...dealt with the dog the way postmen and normal people do all the time.

Oh, never mind. I didn't see combat in Afghanistan, so I am not qualified to comment on this event.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-07   2:13:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: A K A Stone (#4)

The title is pretty stupid. Why wouldn't you want police officers to go home safely after their shift?

Saying you don't care if they go home safe is not the same as saying you don't want them to go home safe.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-01-07   10:50:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Pinguinite (#36)

Saying you don't care if they go home safe is not the same as saying you don't want them to go home safe.

Yes it isn't 10 on the cop hate scale it is an 8 or 9.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-01-07   10:52:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Pinguinite (#36)

Furthermore. If someone doesn't care if officers don't come home. That means they are ok with police being murdered.

I was anti police for a while. They beat the crap out of me about 5 years ago.

So I still have an open ear to police abuses. It goes on way to much. However a lot of stuff posted here that is anti cop is over the top and lies.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-01-07   10:56:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: A K A Stone (#38)

Did you read the article? The point of it is that people who choose to be in the police force are *no more special* than anyone else, and the author claims to have placed his own life in danger for others without claiming any special privilege for doing so.

And if anyone wearing a police uniform is more concerned about their own safety than the safety of the people he's supposed to protect, then they shouldn't bother to respond to 911 calls.

It's a very valid point.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-01-07   11:16:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Pinguinite (#39)

People who decide to out their life on the line so we can have law and order and justice are actually a little special.

We actually do need police. Someone has to do it. They do put their lives on the line. So when they make a mistake it should be looked at in that light. If police make honest human errors they should get a bit of special treatment. Not a blank check but an honest assessment.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-01-07   11:20:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Pinguinite (#39)

Every person will naturally be worried about their safety over someone else's. It is hard wired in and just common sense.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-01-07   11:21:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: A K A Stone (#41)

Every person will naturally be worried about their safety over someone else's. It is hard wired in and just common sense.

To the point where:

I don't want to hear some drunk and confused guy squirming on the ground playing "Simon Says" terrified you so much you had to blow him away. I don't want to hear that some random guy 35 yards away who you had no actual information on "may have reached toward his waist band.

The "Simon Says" reference is very easy to identify, and is probably the incident the author was really responding to.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-01-07   11:39:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Pinguinite (#42)

The Simon says cop is a murderer imo.

No I didn't read the entire article. Which is why I specified I didn't like the title.

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-01-07   11:51:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: A K A Stone (#43)

No I didn't read the entire article.

Give the man a listen, and only after that judge. If you still think he's off base, fine.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-01-07   13:41:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Tooconservative, Pinguinite, A K A Stone, vigalante hero (#35)

This older gentleman lurking on LF at the internet cafe, is a real hero for shooting these robbers and not whining about them reaching for their waistbands.

Cost to the taxpayer, ZERO!

Hondo68  posted on  2018-01-07   13:54:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Tooconservative (#35)

The bullet fragmented on hitting the sidewalk and a piece hit a girl in the head. No serious injury thankfully.

I wonder what kind of bullet it was that would fragment. A hollow point?

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-01-07   14:03:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Pinguinite, A K A Stone (#39)

If anyone wearing a police uniform is more concerned about their own safety than the safety of the people he's supposed to protect, then they shouldn't bother to respond to 911 calls.

It's a very valid point.

Absolutely.

Responding to 911 may indeed mean laying it all out there.

"Stay safe out there!" doesn't mean, "Hide in your Crown Vic cruiser in your police vest until the mass-killer shooter has exhausted his thousand rounds."

The price society pays for a necessarily aggressive and ballsy LE is the occasional over-officious Rambo-wannabe. We don't like it, but it's always been that way.

And what kind of society wants a 5-3, 110 pound chick (whose natural inclination is nurturing) masquerading as as "law enforcement" or a "crime-deterrent"? What door is SHE gonna smash down when seconds count? For that matter, what door is any passive pussified mixed/confused-gender LE detail going to smash down?

Portandia PD:

(*ringing the doorbell aggressively...tapping on window*) "PARDON ME, SIR, MIZZZ...CAN YOU KINDLY NOT SHOOT SO MANY PEOPLE IN THIS SCHOOL? DIDN'T YOU READ THE SIGN? IT'S A 'GUN-FREE' ZONE!! THANK YOU FOR LISTENING...PLEASE JUST KILL YOURSELF AFTER YOUR DONE. THAT WOULD MAKE THIS CONFRONTATION SO MUCH SIMPLER."

Liberator  posted on  2018-01-07   14:04:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: hondo68, Gatlin (#45)

Very nice job indeed by Gramps. He sure knew what to do with that pistol.

The two perps are probably now current the Mayor and Treasurer of the town. The "Hero"?? Probably sued by ACLU and SPLC. The former was oddly defended ad nauseam by Gatlin in the past.

Liberator  posted on  2018-01-07   14:09:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: hondo68 (#45)

lurking on LF at the internet cafe

Lol

+1

Liberator  posted on  2018-01-07   14:10:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Liberator (#48)

Very nice job indeed by Gramps. He sure knew what to do with that pistol.

I liked how he kept trying to shoot them in the back as they flailed about, trying to flee. Gramps didn't give up but his quarry did escape.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-07   15:14:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Tooconservative (#50)

Yes, well, the sudden prey -- the thugs -- couldn't very well escape by peddling backwards.

Gramps did show mercy. By not finishing the job.

Liberator  posted on  2018-01-07   15:21:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Liberator (#51) (Edited)

Gramps definitely tried to kill them but was a lousy shot. He wasn't hitting them from less than 10' away. I did notice that he must have hit them because it says so at the beginning of the video. Maybe he was shooting a .22 or something.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-07   23:09:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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