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Published: Dec 30, 2017
Author: sneakypete
Post Date: 2017-12-30 18:27:37 by sneakypete
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Did anyone else watch this the other night? I had recorded it,and just watched it today,and I am seriously steamed. Long story short,the whole thing came about because a UPS driver decided "something was wrong because what religion NEEDS ALL THOSE GUNS?" (emphasis mine)? It seems obvious he didn't know they had a FFL and were selling guns and demilled "grenade" joke gifts,or if he did know he didn't care. He obviously lied and opened up one package to discover it was full of "grenades" "When I pulled it from the top shelf 5 or 6 grenades rolled out of it." Ask ANYBODY that has ever handled a case of grenades if ANYBODY ever puts them on a top shelf anywhere for proof of this. The TRUTH is they were demilled grenades without the blasting cap or striker that they were mounting on plaques with the wording like "complaint center,pull a pin and wait." ANYBODY can buy,own,or sell them,and not even have to have a FFL because they are NO LONGER CONSIDERED TO BE WEAPONS. Anyhow,this moral goober took it upon himself to notify the Clinton Administration AFT and report the Branch Dividians for "having live grenades and machine guns!".After going home and talking it over with his wife,of course. She was on tv too,and she too was outraged over "a religious cult having weapons". Which led to Janet Reno sending in the Storm Troopers,which eventually led to them burning the church buildings down when they ran into it repeatedly with armored vehicles to knock holes in it. Which is what caused it all to burn down since the Feebs had already cut off all electricity to their buildings,and they were using kerosene lanterns for light. Of course the head hack says he's not responsible for fires that killed all those children because "the people inside set the fires." Un,huh. People decide to set themselves and their children of fire all the time,and it's just a coincidence the joint was being rocked by armored vehicles,huh? At the end they showed a few blurbs about "there is no evidence the Branch Davidians set themselves on fire",but no mention of who else might be responsible for the fire". There was also no mention of the Janet Reno/Clinton history of pushing for gun confiscations or things like their actions against Randy Weaver. Questions like"Why didn't they just arrest Koresh when he went to town on Wednesday to get a haircut?" Or why didn't they just have the local sheriff,who had NO trouble with them,knock on the door and ask to see their weapons records ?" Nope,they went straight to the cattle trucks and the armed assault with machine guns and body armor by BATF agents. They DID mention Weaver was shot twice while standing at the door talking to the BATF before they started jumping out of the cattle cars and shooting at the building windows with automatic weapons,but that was just in passing in another segment. One thing is abundantly clear,though. That UPS driver and the head BATF punk are the two people primarily responsible for the deaths of all those children. Without the USP driver opening packages and then telling ignorant lies to a federal agency that desperately needed to hear them,and then the political hack planning the surprise armed assault while the door was open and Weaver was talking with the door knockers,none of that would have happened. Poster Comment: Let's not forget the rabidly anti-gun administration in power at that time,and their push to get all gun owners classified as "Dangerous kooks" in the eyes of the public. People in high positions in government SHOULD have gone to federal prisons or have been executed over what happened at Waco.
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Good thread Pete, and good points. Did it mention also that the ATF was facing Congressional Hearings, where they thought congress was going to cut their funding, and they thought they needed a " Big Show " to prove they were needed ? The Badge Lickers will be along shortly to tell us we are Conspiracy Theorists, anti cop, etc and that your video is " Yellow Journalism ". I am terribly ashamed of what happened at Waco, and am shocked & ashamed of how many Americans responded. I remember hearing people say " well, just a bunch of religious nuts, so who cares ? ". I guess if you look at every Church in the country, you can find a number of people that will consider each a bunch of " religious nuts " What a damn shame the excuses people put forth to justify the Govt killing those people & kids. Have you seen the FLIR video's, showing the Govt shooting people trying to escape? It will make you sick !! The Clintons, Reno, and a bunch at FBI & ATF should have been hanged for that Fiasco. That was the beginning of " Dynamic Entry " that so many seem to love. WACO was a very dark period of our nations history !!! I pray it is never repeated !!!! Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
If people want to see it, it is online. CBS: Secrets of Waco, 43 minutes Here's the CBS teaser for the show, 7 minutes.
Many of us have given up on TeeBee, many years ago. I haven't watched that crap since 1993.
Then you are a fool for ignoring a tool of the enemy that tells you what their intentions are on a daily basis. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
In 1993, when there was a US publick Congressional investigation of the Waco incident, Chuckie Schumer suggested that they deserved the inferno. Nope, I am no fool. Since then, Schumer has been promoted to Senate and just received leadership credentials. It is the escalation of the police state we see.
That's only part of the story. There's enough there to send many people to long terms in prison, or the leadership, including Janet Reno to the death house. The Davidians weren't bothering anybody. I wouln't care to join their club, but I could have lived next to them in peace.
The tear gas canisters caused the fire and inferno. p.s. You meant Koresh when you typed Weaver...whole other story as you know.
At the end they showed a few blurbs about "there is no evidence the Branch Davidians set themselves on fire",but no mention of who else might be responsible for the fire". That's interesting since ABC is also running a propaganda series about Waco. I wonder why all of a sudden both Mockingbird networks decided to revisit the massacre, unless it's to brainwash a new generation and put a pro-gooberment spin on the event. I'm sure that show will cast blame on the Davidians as well without naming the actual murderers. True,but so similar is so many ways. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Even with the pro-government spin there are just some things so outrageous there is no denying their horror. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Good point Stoner. Congress will always go along with any funding the alphabet agencies want in the wake of an event like this. Have you seen the FLIR video's, showing the Govt shooting people trying to escape? It was sickening - and yet fed.gov had the gall to claim that the men, women and children killed themselves. Well, let's be honest. They had 51 days to exit a building it took 120 seconds to walk through from front to back. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Walk out to face a bunch of hostile lunatics carrying guns? If people aren't a theat to anybody, leave them alone. The government assholes came ready and eager to make war, and that's what they made.
As long as we are being honest,so what? Does their not doing it justify their murders? In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Not only carrying guns,but actually shooting them as they exited the cattle trucks. Granted,I have no doubt the very first shot was an accidental discharge by some clerk unused to carrying weapons,and scared shitless,causing the other clerks to open fire also because they thought THEY were being fired on. There has been very little mention about how the ATF really pumped what should have been a simple knock on the door and records and inventory inspection into a full-fledged combat assault for the tv cameras because there was talk in Congress about dissolving the agency and they desperatly NEEDED a major firefight against a "dangerous cult" to justify their existence. There has also been very little talk about them being so desperate they raided their offices for clerks to dress up as commandos and issued them automatic weapons and dressed them up like assault troops. IF there had been even the slightest trace of adult supervision,none of the clerks would have even been issued ammo for a simple "knock and inspect records and inventory" visit. The fact that they WERE,and that the were allowed to chamber rounds proves to me that the INTENTION by the ATF leadership was to start a gunfight resulting in causalities before they even loaded the cattle trucks. If was a foregone conclusion by the ATF that they were going to assault and get into a gun fight when they got there because they NEEDED to get into a gunfight with "domestic terrorists" to justify their continued existence. SOB's in charge should have all been hanged. And there can be NO doubt it was one of those clerks operating WAAAY out of his or her area of expertise that fired the first shot accidentally that led to Koresh being shot twice while standing in his doorway unarmed talking with the door knockers. Which in turn directly led to the deaths of all those innocent people because there is no way in HELL the ATF is EVER going to admit that THEY screwed up. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Very good Robert !!! Well worth repeating !!! Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
"Murder" is the intentional killing of a human being. The governments INTENT was to ARREST THE OCCUPANTS INSIDE. You'd be hard pressed to prove what side started the fire. I personally don't feel either side could convince me, beyond a reasonable doubt, what started that fire. Murder? Ease off the drama. Those folks had PLENTY of time to at least release their CHILDREN over a 51 day stretch... and they didn't. I blame the deaths of the children solidly on the sick twisted religious fucks, that sacrificed the children, for THEIR BELIEFS. The whole place was a cult... a gathering of WEAK MINDS. So weak you can be conned into putting your child in harms way... or drinking the Kool-Aid. I loath WEAKNESS. Cults are a weakness. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Over the 51 day siege, there was around the clock media coverage on that situation very quickly. I highly doubt law enforcement would have just shot them if they walked out of that structure with their hands raised high. To suggest they would be gunned down is the dynamic needed to paint those cult members in a situation WHERE THEY CAN'T leave. That's just drama to take the stance that only the government was culpable. Take away that drama filled dynamic (that the occupants would be shot as they exited) and you've got the great question of the century.... WHY DIDN'T THEY AT LEAST RELEASE THE CHILDREN OR EXIT THE STRUCTURE AFTER IT IGNITED.... because they wanted to die as a cult and they had shit to hide. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
HorseHilary! They went in on a combat assault the instant they left the cattle trucks. Congress was talking about eliminating the ATF and they desperately needed a gun fight on tv to justify their existence. Who better than some kooky religious cult in Texas? You'd be hard pressed to prove what side started the fire. Of course you would,but only because the feds seized the video tape of the first few moments of the action and edited it. I was watching the live feed on tv as it happened that morning,and Koresh was standing unarmed in his open door reading the search warrant when the asses unassed the cattle truck and started shooting. Koresh himself was shot twice while standing unarmed in the open doorway. Murder? Yes,MURDER! Ease off the drama. Those folks had PLENTY of time to at least release their CHILDREN over a 51 day stretch...and they didn't. Why would they when they had already been fired on in an unprovoked attack? I blame the deaths of the children solidly on the sick twisted religious fucks, that sacrificed the children, for THEIR BELIEFS. Of course you do. You are a life-long leather boy groupie. It's all you know. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
As long as we are being honest,so what? Does their not doing it justify their murders? " In some peoples minds, yes, that does justify them to kill every man, woman, child, dog or cat there. You understand, peons are NEVER, NEVER, NEVER to DEFY the Badge AUTHORITY !!! That line of thinking is evidenced in most of the "Dynamic Entry " raids across the nation. That is their opportunity to dress up and play war, and use all of their "cool toys". One day, they will try a raid like that, and will turn around and find themselves surrounded by a bunch of pissed off, heavily armed Americans, at a ratio of 15 to 1. They will then experience what the 7th Cav experienced at Little Big Horn ! That is what should have happened at Waco !! Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
They DID release many of the children right before the final assault with the tanks,and there was no time to release anybody once the fires started thanks to the ferals ramming the building with armored vehicles and knocking over the kerosene lanterns they were useing for light. I am GUESSING that Koresh refused to release ALL of the children because he was operating under the sane impression that the presence of the children were the only thing that was keeping him and the others from being murdered. The ferals sure fooled him,huh? BTW,"No,I don't PERSONALLY believe there was a clear intent to murder the children. I think their deaths in the fire was due to both the accident of the lamps being knocked over by the ramming,and the "shit happens and we don't care" attitudes of the brass in charge at the very top,namely Reno and Clinton. Still,deaths caused by purposeful carelessness are still murder. They sure as hell weren't justified homicides. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
People will leap out of 200 story buildings to avoid being burned... watch the 9/11 videos. They didn't exit because they weren't going to be taken alive and they were armed well. You can't see it because you've been a criminal cocksucking hug-a-thug for your whole life. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Actually, no, it's not. Deaths caused by a reckless act would be defined as MANSLAUGHTER. Ease off the cop hating drama. You need to cash in your Black Lies Matters law degree for a LexisNexis law book. lol I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
BTW,you DO know that Delta Force from Fort Bragg were ordered to go to WACO to teach tactics and help create an assault plan,right? Being soldiers,they went down there and started to do the job they were tasked with,and all the "we gonna kill all them motherfuckers!" talk by the Feebs and the ATF caused them to pack their shit and go back to Ft.Bragg. When ordered to go back down there and complete the training mission,the Army lawyer assigned to Delta Force sent a formal letter to the DoD explaining in detail WHY they wanted no part of the un-Constituional assault on American citizens and they must have had the goods because they weren't ordered back there. There WAS a 3 man team from Delta there when the final assault and fire occurred though. The reason they were there was because they were ordered to leave classified equipment there for the punks in "law enforcement" to use,and they had to make sure it didn't disappear into someone's car trunk. The 3 man team was a Colonel,a SGM E-9,and a SFC E-7. They took NO part in the assault,merely watched,collected their equipment when it was over,and went back to Bragg. I know you were never in the army,but ask someone you know that was,and ask them what THEY think the chances are of a army unit refusing orders from the JCS to take part in a operation because it was UN-Constitutional,and then getting away with it if it wasn't. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
They weren't going to be taken alive because the ATF wanted to kill them. You can't see it because you've been a criminal cocksucking hug-a-thug for your whole life. That's laughable coming from a closeted fairy that pretends he is a man by putting on a badge. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Not when it was PURPOSEFUL and not due to negligence. If I set fire to your hut tonight while you are asleep and you die,did I commit murder or manslaughter? OOPS! That's right,*I* don't wear a badge so in MY case it would be murder,huh? In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Amazing that you should post this. Perhaps you're not the rabid, knuckle-dragging fruitcake I had you pegged for.
Liberals are like Slinkys. They're good for nothing, but somehow they bring a smile to your face as you shove them down the stairs.
Right in front of all those libtarded LameSteamMedia cameras... yup, I got it. You do know media was camped out 24/7 for most of those 51 days? Get back on your lithium. This is the shit that got most of you banned from FR. lol I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
You have proof, EVIDENCE, that just ONE agent had the INTENT to kill any one of the structure occupants, regardless if they were going to surrender? Please post your proof that agents PURPOSEFULLY INTENED TO MURDER CULT SCUMBAGS... show me your voluntarily confessions, video, how about ballistic evidence??? You have bullets pulled from bodies that trace to a certain agents firearm? You have physical evidence that proves how the fire started? Where are you storing this evidence? Why haven't you came forward with these confessions by now? In this country, people (that means cops and agents, you filthy fuck stain)are convicted by a jury of their PEERS... it's called DUE PROCESS. YOU AIN'T DUE PROCESS. You are a kook fag loving banned internet poster that's off his lithium. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Your blind defense of fed.gov agents murdering men, women and children in a bloody, pyrotechnic massacre is morally repugnant, shameful and despicable. In addition, your unfettered worship of the State and blind allegiance to federal law enforcement actions no matter how reprehensible once more show your true colors. After reading your opprobrious rants on this topic, there's no doubt in my mind that you'll be cheering the fed agents and local badged mercenaries when they go door-to-door confiscating guns. In fact - I'd bet you'd join in. Unsettling Waco uncovers truths media reports left out Your willful hatred for constitutionally protected due process is not only shameful and despicable... but criminal cocksucking. What other parts of the constitution do you disagree with? You might as well move in with Ba Ba Ba Bucky. Spin your CT anyway you want. No person was found guilty of your illusionary claims, by a jury of their peers. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
I believe there was also the issue of video footage of the original assault that somehow disappeared and was not available for the follow up examination. Along with the front door of the place that was also full of holes. Some of the surviving members were prosecuted, and due to a legal tech glitch, even though they were only convicted by a jury of minor offenses, prosecutors argued after the verdict that they had to be guilty of much more serious offenses as well that put them in jail for years. The jury members were outraged and said if they felt that would happen they would have acquitted of everything. All in all, it seems it was handled much like the Bundy & related cases today, only it didn't go as fortuitous for the Waco survivors.
You talk like a freshly brainwashed easily influenced cult member. Label other people cult members and crush them. That's the biggest weakness of all. You're a God damned dangerous bully with an IQ of 85 and a mouth full of memorized chestbeating authority and assertiveness. You don't think. You just want to prove you're a big man. I've seen your kind before.
Shut you shit spreader. I'm far from a bully, asshole. In my 52 years, growing up, i've knocked the Shit out of (or as an adult, arrested) MANY BULLIES. I wont stand by and allow someone to kick the shit out of someone just because they are physically tougher or bigger. That DOESN'T however mean I endorse WEAKNESS because the sheep are indoctrinated to live that way (LIKE A FUCKING CULT). So fuck off. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Who indoctrinated you?
His auntie Reno? The jury members were outraged and said if they felt that would happen they would have acquitted of everything. All in all, it seems it was handled much like the Bundy & related cases today, only it didn't go as fortuitous for the Waco survivors. So...The Fix WAS in. Apparently, the original intent of the Clinton Regime's fascist mission was to test public and media reaction to their illegal exercise in intimidation, bullying, harassment, torture AND mass murder... And as if THAT wasn't enough, as you noted, even the traumatized Survivors would not be given any mercy; Feral prosecutors were ordered to create a bogus case and turn the entire proceedings into a Kangaroo Court, based on bogus evidence. Agree -- had 0bama's Gestapo and his Politburo had their way, The Bundys etal just like them would have been taken out and tortured solely for the blood-lust of a typical Fascist-Stalinists. Why? BECAUSE THEY COULD. If not for Bundy's reinforcements who wouldn't back down, the Bundys would have been target-practice for the Ferals. So we note that Bundy's dodged bullets -- literally. Both in the field and court room. Yes, they are VERY lucky indeed to survive both. (If Hitlery had stolen the Presidency, the Bundy's would be dead and buried by now.) As underscored in the Waco case, Democrats' judges had a license to corrupt and subvert the system of justice as they mislead and lied to the jury in order to "win" their case. Clearly, Marxists possess ZERO empathy, sense of fairness and justice, and mercy. Only sociopaths act and govern the way the Clintons and 0bamas (and their respective Marxist machination) did. As a matter of literal survival, American needs desperately to say of Democrat Presidential candidates: "NEVER AGAIN." I believe there was also the issue of video footage of the original assault that somehow disappeared and was not available for the follow up examination. Along with the front door of the place that was also full of holes. Just. WOW. And NO WHERE was/is Yahoo News, ABC, CNN, or MSNBC there to report on AND discuss this Dem gangsta activity. But a fake "Dossier" and "Russia-Russia-Russia!" can be discussed and ranted about for YEARS!
His auntie Reno? Your picture just gave GI a stiffy. It wasn't AGENDA posters, freethoughtproject, Alex Jones or banned FR POSTERS. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Don't be mean to this dyke pig. Your butt buddy, StinkyPee Pee will be upset with you if you pick on fags I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
It wasn't AGENDA posters, freethoughtproject, Alex Jones or banned FR POSTERS. No, it was the CIA controlled Mockingbird media kool-aid that you guzzled your entire pathetic life, the official narratives from fed.gov that you are incapable of questioning and your long years being conditioned to believe that "if you're not cop - you're little people". Don't be mean to this dyke pig Is that any way to talk about your heroine? Negative. In the case of agent culpability, at Waco, it would take a guilty by JURY verdict to INDOCTRINATE me into agreeing with your KOOK THEORY. lol I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Ha... I hate that lezbo faggot pig more than you do. Dummy. Doesn't make your kook theory true. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
I'm not convinced you examined the actual dynamics of this entire operation, GI. Don't be so quick to dig in your heels in this case. The initial "intent" of the Waco Op had nothing to do with actual "Law Enforcement... In large part Waco was a Psychological Operation with many facets to it. But it also had the projected sadistic handprints of Hitlery all over it. Some of the intent was rooted in the power-mad sadistic Clintons getting their kicks out of abusing the extent of their power -- a troubling practice for both the Clinton AND 0bamas. Hillary was said to have ordered the Waco siege. We ALL know what a sick, vindictive witch she is (as are most Democrats.) Remember it was also Hitlery who infamously uttered of a murdered Khaddafi: "We came, we saw, he died...*cackle*" http://www.rense.com/general8/tripp.htm The many facets and reasons for the Waco Op: Wag-the-Dog, Hitlery acting out...Then ideological intimidation, observing and gauging public and media reaction (as a toe in the water), testing just how far fascist gubmint ops could go (without causing public outrage)...and finally as a cautionary tale for those (like survivalists) who consider challenging (fascist) gubmint muscle and paramilitary operations -- whether right or wrong. The Bundy/BLM Op was a matter of Barry and his co-Prog Fascists acting out and projecting his and their hate and abuse of power upon the Bundys, who represented ALL White people to them. 0bama ordered his little mini-version of Mugabe in Zimbabwe going after white farmers.
Couple of points and observations here... I believe you in that you hate bullies. I admire it. It's one of the reasons you eschewed promotions having witnessed so much of it at your workplace, and along with all the cowardice and kiss-assing of your co-workers. THAT said, I believe one of the major unifying characteristics of everyone at this forum is that we all to a man, to a poster HATE BULLIES. But that is exactly what Clinton Admin was in this Waco Case. To the nth degree. The Clintons were first and foremost BULLIES. As are and were the 0bamas. Now I'm not defending the Branch Dividians Cultists, but the Waco case was First Degree bullying AND murder. That's fully on the Clintons, Reno, the ATF, and that Feral Death Cult. Please re-examine the evidence.
That's interesting since ABC is also running a propaganda series about Waco. I wonder why all of a sudden both Mockingbird networks decided to revisit the massacre, unless it's to brainwash a new generation and put a pro-gooberment spin on the event. I'm sure that show will cast blame on the Davidians as well without naming the actual murderers. Great observation and questions about why ABC would find it compelling to release a re-hash of the Waco massacre...(And yes, Pete -- why no mention of exactly WHO was responsible FOR the fire to begin with?) The reason for this "documentary": Perhaps ABC wants/needs to help the Democrats and Clintons re-write "history" for some dark subversive reason. Maybe there's some damaging noise on Hitlery and Bubba etal that's soon to come to light and they want to mitigate that damage as a "Trump CT."
All of the preparations for Waco, Tx massacre occurred on the Bush watch in 1992. The training of the BATF as an assault on the Branch Davidians occurred in real, true to form staging of mock up facilities located in Oklahoma. The BATF trained for months at HUGE taxpayer donations. Obviously, Stephen Higgins (Director of the BATF) failed in the planning. I wish you people would realize that the final events occurring on Clinton's watch were a hand-off to the FBI; but all the initial planning was by the BATF on G.H Bush's OK.
Thanks a lot Deck. You owe me a keyboard I was just eating shrimp & cocktail sauce, then saw your picture and hurled all over the desk, keyboard, and monitor. Wife is pissed !! She said to ask you " Who the hell is going to clean up that mess ? LOL Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
Interesting observation - hadn't thought of that. Nothing would surprise me though - no doubt there is some incriminating evidence that has yet to come out. Maybe there's some damaging noise on Hitlery and Bubba etal that's soon to come to light and they want to mitigate that damage as a "Trump CT." Maybe so - I'm wondering what Trump's comments will be when the 25th anniversary hits in April. Gee whiz - sorry man. I should have posted "Barf Alert" warning. Waco was an experimental trial to see how much abuse and repression could be inflicted upon the American people then without provoking revolution and how much they would further tolerate in the future. If the feds could get us to accept and acclimitise ourselves to that, there would be more and the sky would eventually be the limit. Start off small, then expand and escalate later.
Well, if it was a test, the American people failed miserably. If there is another incident, the feds may get a very unpleasant surprise. Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
Poppy was deeply offended over Wayne La Pierre calling, he & Clinton's fed goons "Jack Booted Thugs". I should have posted "Barf Alert" warning " Ok, apology accepted !! LOL You have to admit, that photo of Reno IS very repulsive, though the " Cops Are Gods " crowd gets woodie looking at her ! ROFLMAO !!! Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
Yeah, the same fuckin' guy that stated: "read my lips no more new taxes." They are all liars.
Stoner: If there is another incident, the feds may get a very unpleasant surprise. We've had several, including OKC, 9/11 and The Boston Marathon Bombing, where they instituted a police state in the entire city. There was no mass awakening then, I hate to be so pessimistic, but people are mostly sheep who believe the official narrative concerning those events - it's to scary for most to contemplate that fed.gov has lied about every single terror event and in fact is behind the vast majority of them. IMO, it's because there are gun grabbing bills coming up in congress, aka "Concealed Carry Reciprocity" which is essentially a federal database of CCW's plus an expanded NICS black-list of the peons whom the feds claim have no God given RKBA protected by the 2nd amendment. Thus, the anti-gun propaganda push by the MSM. They're priming the pump for legislative tyranny. In January, 2018 a major film mini series is going to be released about the Waco, TX massacre on the Paramount Network. http://www.paramountnetwork.com/video-clips/zigqvc/yellowstone-paramount-network-premieres-1-18-18 You should take a peek to a trailer cited above.
But Waco wasn't about any sort of "Militia" or gun-toting 2A "nuts." Wouldn't surprise me if they do spin the Waco story and invent a fictional account that centers on "guns." As a matter of fact we should expect it to be 98% lies. If so, they'll be shredded at all conservative media sites. LOUDLY. It is a VERY good thing that the MSM has been shredded and discredited. Again -- THAT is one of the most accomplishments of Donald Trump. If not for Trump exposing them, who knows what fascist BS they'd be getting away with selling in the major media. Ya gotta give him props for that, Hondo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege It started with an ATF raid. It assuredly WAS about guns. ATF, Waco BAH! They are still in business making money.
Aaah, thanks for the heads-up on that trailer, Buck. The REAL reason for the Waco series: To portray the Branch Davidians as representing ALL Christian "Fundies." And to help mitigate and divert attention from militant God-less Hollywood's rampant perversity-homosexuality problem. Produced by Paramount studios, Liberal-Prog Hollywood is trying to feed on hatred of Christians. In the process of this "Two-Fer," it tosses Weinstein, the Clintons, and the Deep State a bone with its historical revisionism in justifying Clinton's/Gubmint's feral-sponsored mass murder... I'm guessing THIS heavy-duty propaganda and fake account is intended to condition the pods accept and justify future feral snuff-outs of "Fundies like the Branch Davidians." Hollywood: Again trying to disguise an agenda, their hate and lies as "entertainment." Paramount is owned by Viacom. Check out this corporate mapping. img src="http://theglobalelite.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/mediamoguls.jpg
Clinton's ATF made the issue "guns." The Ferals can invent warrants and charges out of thin air -- I HOPE you realize that.
ONLY partially. Hollywood (and now, obviously including professional sports) remains fully in the "business" of propaganda, brainwashing, conditioning, and lobotmizing. "Entertainment" is secondary. Having a monopoly on "Entertainment" means a few of their shows will coincidentally also be somewhat amusing or tell a story. Not very many though.
You are welcome. The MSM is alive and kickin'.
Yeah. As in flailing like a dying fish.
I remember when NWO Bush pulled that shit. I knew a bunch of people, some were cops, that were really pissed at him. I remember a number of WWII vets that were quite vocal about it, cussed Bush a lot. I remember two that were very vocal at the local American Legion that were raising hell about WACO, saying " we did not kick Hitlers & Tojo's asses for that shit to happen right here in the USA! Fuck Bush, good bye to a big turd, and good riddance !! They all also spewed a lot of venom at Billy Bob.
Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
Yeah, I hear ya. I have been pessimistic so long, I am sick of it. I am trying to be optimistic for a change. I admit, it probably will not change things, I am just so sick of being pessimistic !! Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
ABC/Disney is currently attempting to buy 21st Century Fox (Does not include FOX News IIRC) Yes,right in front of them,just like they murdered Randy Weaver's wife right in front of her family and got away with it,and just like they came out of the cattle trucks shooting like on a combat assault and got away with it. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Uhhh,yeah,they shot at them with automatic weapons when they got out of the cattle cars. Maybe in your twisted cop groupie world you shoot at people to save them? In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
You are nothing more than a natural-born slave looking for a strong master. That's why you made a career out of carrying a badge. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Yup,but accident I just happened to be one of the people that viewed the original live broadcast of the assault from the beginning,and saw the ATF get out of the cattle cars and run towards the house shooting. That was when Koresh was wounded. That was never replayed anywhere.The version that still exists is the edited version of the live assault. Along with the front door of the place that was also full of holes. Yup. Word is it just ran away from home and the fereal goobermints doan no nutting 'bout it. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
The funny part is you STILL think you are fooling people,Fire Island. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Or maybe they just want to distract people so they won't notice something that will be happening soon? In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
That was EXACTLY what it was about from the very beginning. Otherwise the ATF wouldn't have been the lead agency. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
Stoner: If there is another incident, the feds may get a very unpleasant surprise. There will be no surprises. The public has slowly been ground down piece at a time until it will accept anything. Additionally, there is a generational effect. Reagan was the last gasp of the generation that survuved a depression and fought WWII. They're dead now. Even the men who fought in Viet nam are dying off at a furious rate. What we are left with is a hoplessly ignorant generation who have been brainwashed from day one in leftism to vote and run this country. Plus a hoard of immigrant invaders. The radicals at Berkley will have their day.
Reno was Chelsea Clinton's father.
Liberals are like Slinkys. They're good for nothing, but somehow they bring a smile to your face as you shove them down the stairs.
Sumtymes I see idiots on this chit-chat channel; it is well known that her father was Webb Hubbell:
Stop looking in mirrors. Liberals are like Slinkys. They're good for nothing, but somehow they bring a smile to your face as you shove them down the stairs.
#2. To: sneakypete (#0)
#3. To: sneakypete (#0)
Did anyone else watch this the other night?
#4. To: buckeroo (#3)
Many of us have given up on TeeBee, many years ago. I haven't watched that crap since 1993.
#5. To: sneakypete (#4)
#6. To: sneakypete (#0)
(Edited)
#7. To: sneakypete (#0)
At the end they showed a few blurbs about "there is no evidence the Branch Davidians set themselves on fire",but no mention of who else might be responsible for the fire".
#8. To: sneakypete, Stoner, Liberator, Tooconservative, Fred Mertz, buckeroo, rlk (#0)
(Edited)
Of course the head hack says he's not responsible for fires that killed all those children because "the people inside set the fires." Un,huh. People decide to set themselves and their children of fire all the time,and it's just a coincidence the joint was being rocked by armored vehicles,huh?
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#9. To: Fred Mertz (#7)
p.s. You meant Koresh when you typed Weaver...whole other story as you know.
#10. To: Deckard (#8)
That's interesting since ABC is also running a propaganda series about Waco. I wonder why all of a sudden both Mockingbird networks decided to revisit the massacre, unless it's to brainwash a new generation and put a pro-gooberment spin on the event.
#11. To: Stoner (#1)
...the ATF was facing Congressional Hearings, where they thought congress was going to cut their funding, and they thought they needed a " Big Show " to prove they were needed ?
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#12. To: Deckard (#8)
I'm sure that show will blame the Davidians for their own deaths as well.
#13. To: GrandIsland (#12)
(Edited)
Well, let's be honest. They had 51 days to exit a building it took 120 seconds to walk through from front to back.
#14. To: GrandIsland (#12)
Well, let's be honest. They had 51 days to exit a building it took 120 seconds to walk through from front to back.
#15. To: rlk (#13)
(Edited)
Walk out to face a bunch of hostile lunatics carrying guns?
#16. To: rlk (#13)
" Walk out to face a bunch of hostile lunatics carrying guns? If people aren't a theat to anybody, leave them alone. The government assholes came ready and eager to make war, and that's what they made. "
#17. To: sneakypete (#14)
Does their not doing it justify their murders
#18. To: Stoner (#16)
Walk out to face a bunch of hostile lunatics carrying guns? The government assholes came ready and eager to make war, and that's what they made. "
#19. To: GrandIsland (#17)
"Murder" is the intentional killing of a human being. The governments INTENT was to ARREST THE OCCUPANTS INSIDE.
#20. To: sneakypete (#14)
" They had 51 days to exit a building it took 120 seconds to walk through from front to back.
#21. To: GrandIsland (#18)
Take away that drama filled dynamic (that the occupants would be shot as they exited) and you've got the great question of the century.... WHY DIDN'T THEY AT LEAST RELEASE THE CHILDREN OR EXIT THE STRUCTURE AFTER IT IGNITED....
#22. To: sneakypete (#19)
Why would they when they had already been fired on in an unprovoked attack?
#23. To: sneakypete (#21)
Still,deaths caused by purposeful carelessness are still murder.
#24. To: GrandIsland (#18)
Over the 51 day siege, there was around the clock media coverage on that situation very quickly. I highly doubt law enforcement would have just shot them if they walked out of that structure with their hands raised high.
#25. To: GrandIsland (#22)
(Edited)
They didn't exit because they weren't going to be taken alive and they were armed well.
#26. To: GrandIsland (#23)
Deaths caused by a reckless act would be defined as MANSLAUGHTER.
#27. To: sneakypete (#0)
#28. To: sneakypete (#25)
They weren't going to be taken alive because the ATF wanted to kill them.
#29. To: sneakypete (#26)
Not when it was PURPOSEFUL
#30. To: GrandIsland (#29)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#31. To: GrandIsland, sneakypete (#29)
You have proof, EVIDENCE, that just ONE agent had the INTENT to kill any one of the structure occupants, regardless if they were going to surrender?
Using 911 tapes, infrared surveillance footage, televised congressional hearings and survivor testimonies, the filmmakers mount a strong case against the ATF ([Bureau of] Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms) and FBI, and paints them as cold-blooded murderers who clearly had the intent of killing people who stubbornly stood up to them. The FBI gassed the people who remained in the Branch Davidian compound and then let them burn to death.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#32. To: Deckard (#30)
Your blind defense of fed.gov agents murdering men, women and children in a bloody, pyrotechnic massacre is morally repugnant, shameful and despicable
#33. To: sneakypete (#0)
#34. To: GrandIsland (#17)
I loath WEAKNESS. Cults are a weakness.
#35. To: rlk (#34)
#36. To: GrandIsland (#35)
#37. To: rlk, GrandIsland, Auntie Reno (#36)
Who indoctrinated you?
#38. To: Pinguinite, sneakypete (#33)
Some of the surviving members were prosecuted, and due to a legal tech glitch, even though they were only convicted by a jury of minor offenses, prosecutors argued after the verdict that they had to be guilty of much more serious offenses as well that put them in jail for years.
#39. To: hondo68, GrandIsland (#37)
Who indoctrinated you?
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#40. To: rlk (#36)
Who indoctrinated you?
#41. To: Deckard (#39)
(Edited)
auntie Reno
#42. To: GrandIsland, rlk (#40)
(Edited)
Who indoctrinated you?
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#43. To: GrandIsland (#41)
auntie Reno
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#44. To: Deckard (#42)
No, it was the CIA controlled Mockingbird media kool-aid that you guzzled your entire pathetic life, the official narratives from fed.gov that you are incapable of questioning and your long years being conditioned to believe that "if you're not cop - you're little people".
#45. To: Deckard (#43)
(Edited)
your heroine
#46. To: GrandIsland (#17)
The governments INTENT was to ARREST THE OCCUPANTS INSIDE.
#47. To: GrandIsland, rlk (#35)
In my 52 years, growing up, i've knocked the Shit out of (or as an adult, arrested) MANY BULLIES. I wont stand by and allow someone to kick the shit out of someone just because they are physically tougher or bigger.
#48. To: Deckard, sneakypete, Stoner, Tooconservative, Fred Mertz, buckeroo, rlk, GrandIsland (#8)
At the end they showed a few blurbs about "there is no evidence the Branch Davidians set themselves on fire",but no mention of who else might be responsible for the fire".
#49. To: Liberator (#47)
But that is exactly what Clinton Admin was in this Waco Case. To the nth degree. The Clintons were first and foremost BULLIES. As are and were the 0bamas.
#50. To: Deckard (#39)
#51. To: Liberator (#48)
The reason for this "documentary": Perhaps ABC wants/needs to help the Democrats and Clintons re-write "history" for some dark subversive reason
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#52. To: Stoner (#50)
You owe me a keyboard I was just eating shrimp & cocktail sauce, then saw your picture and hurled all over the desk, keyboard, and monitor.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#53. To: Liberator (#47)
(Edited)
THAT said, I believe one of the major unifying characteristics of everyone at this forum is that we all to a man, to a poster HATE BULLIES. But that is exactly what Clinton Admin was in this Waco Case. To the nth degree. The Clintons were first and foremost BULLIES. As are and were the 0bamas.
#54. To: Liberator (#46)
" testing just how far fascist gubmint ops could go (without causing public outrage)...and finally as a cautionary tale for those (like survivalists) who consider challenging (fascist) gubmint muscle and paramilitary operations -- whether right or wrong. "
#55. To: buckeroo, Bush Clinton family, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#49)
all the initial planning was by the BATF on G.H Bush's OK.
#56. To: Deckard (#52)
" sorry man.
#57. To: hondo68 (#55)
#58. To: Stoner, Liberator (#54)
Liberator: "testing just how far fascist gubmint ops could go (without causing public outrage)...and finally as a cautionary tale for those (like survivalists) who consider challenging (fascist) gubmint muscle and paramilitary operations -- whether right or wrong."
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#59. To: Liberator, Reciprocity fix-NICS, *Bang List*, Deckard, sneakypete (#48)
why ABC would find it compelling to release a re-hash of the Waco massacre...
#60. To: hondo68 (#59)
#61. To: hondo68 (#59)
... the anti-gun propaganda push by the MSM. They're priming the pump for legislative tyranny.
#62. To: Liberator (#61)
The incident began when the ATF attempted to raid the ranch. An intense gun battle erupted, resulting in the deaths of four government agents and six Branch Davidians. Upon the ATF's failure to raid the compound, a siege was initiated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the standoff lasting 51 days.
#63. To: Liberator (#61)
It is a VERY good thing that the MSM has been shredded and discredited.
#64. To: buckeroo, hondo68, Deckard, redleghunter, sneakypete, rlkk, Vicomte13, pinguinite, IBJensen, Stoner, A K A Stone (#60)
(Edited)
#65. To: hondo68 (#62)
It started with an ATF raid. It assuredly WAS about guns.
#66. To: buckeroo (#63)
BAH! They are still in business making money.
#67. To: Liberator (#64)
#68. To: buckeroo (#67)
The MSM is alive and kickin'.
#69. To: hondo68 (#55)
#70. To: Deckard (#58)
" I hate to be so pessimistic, but people are mostly sheep who believe the official narrative concerning those events . . . "
#71. To: Liberator (#64)
Paramount is owned by Viacom.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#72. To: GrandIsland (#28)
Right in front of all those libtarded LameSteamMedia cameras... yup, I got it. You do know media was camped out 24/7 for most of those 51 days?
#73. To: GrandIsland (#29)
You have proof, EVIDENCE, that just ONE agent had the INTENT to kill any one of the structure occupants, regardless if they were going to surrender?
#74. To: GrandIsland (#32)
Your willful hatred for constitutionally protected due process is not only shameful and despicable... but criminal cocksucking. What other parts of the constitution do you disagree with? You might as well move in with Ba Ba Ba Bucky.
#75. To: Pinguinite (#33)
I believe there was also the issue of video footage of the original assault that somehow disappeared and was not available for the follow up examination.
#76. To: GrandIsland (#41)
Your butt buddy, StinkyPee Pee will be upset with you if you pick on fags
#77. To: Liberator (#48)
The reason for this "documentary": Perhaps ABC wants/needs to help the Democrats and Clintons re-write "history" for some dark subversive reason. Maybe there's some damaging noise on Hitlery and Bubba etal that's soon to come to light and they want to mitigate that damage as a "Trump CT."
#78. To: Liberator (#61)
But Waco wasn't about any sort of "Militia" or gun-toting 2A "nuts."
#79. To: Deckard (#58)
"testing just how far fascist gubmint ops could go (without causing public outrage)...and finally as a cautionary tale for those (like survivalists) who consider challenging (fascist) gubmint muscle and paramilitary operations -- whether right or wrong."
#80. To: Deckard (#39)
#81. To: IbJensen (#80)
#82. To: buckeroo (#81)
Sumtymes I see idiots
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