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Title: 48 Hourss,Waco
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Published: Dec 30, 2017
Author: sneakypete
Post Date: 2017-12-30 18:27:37 by sneakypete
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Keywords: BATF, Bill of Rights
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Did anyone else watch this the other night? I had recorded it,and just watched it today,and I am seriously steamed. Long story short,the whole thing came about because a UPS driver decided "something was wrong because what religion NEEDS ALL THOSE GUNS?" (emphasis mine)? It seems obvious he didn't know they had a FFL and were selling guns and demilled "grenade" joke gifts,or if he did know he didn't care. He obviously lied and opened up one package to discover it was full of "grenades" "When I pulled it from the top shelf 5 or 6 grenades rolled out of it." Ask ANYBODY that has ever handled a case of grenades if ANYBODY ever puts them on a top shelf anywhere for proof of this. The TRUTH is they were demilled grenades without the blasting cap or striker that they were mounting on plaques with the wording like "complaint center,pull a pin and wait." ANYBODY can buy,own,or sell them,and not even have to have a FFL because they are NO LONGER CONSIDERED TO BE WEAPONS. Anyhow,this moral goober took it upon himself to notify the Clinton Administration AFT and report the Branch Dividians for "having live grenades and machine guns!".After going home and talking it over with his wife,of course. She was on tv too,and she too was outraged over "a religious cult having weapons". Which led to Janet Reno sending in the Storm Troopers,which eventually led to them burning the church buildings down when they ran into it repeatedly with armored vehicles to knock holes in it. Which is what caused it all to burn down since the Feebs had already cut off all electricity to their buildings,and they were using kerosene lanterns for light. Of course the head hack says he's not responsible for fires that killed all those children because "the people inside set the fires." Un,huh. People decide to set themselves and their children of fire all the time,and it's just a coincidence the joint was being rocked by armored vehicles,huh? At the end they showed a few blurbs about "there is no evidence the Branch Davidians set themselves on fire",but no mention of who else might be responsible for the fire". There was also no mention of the Janet Reno/Clinton history of pushing for gun confiscations or things like their actions against Randy Weaver. Questions like"Why didn't they just arrest Koresh when he went to town on Wednesday to get a haircut?" Or why didn't they just have the local sheriff,who had NO trouble with them,knock on the door and ask to see their weapons records ?" Nope,they went straight to the cattle trucks and the armed assault with machine guns and body armor by BATF agents. They DID mention Weaver was shot twice while standing at the door talking to the BATF before they started jumping out of the cattle cars and shooting at the building windows with automatic weapons,but that was just in passing in another segment. One thing is abundantly clear,though. That UPS driver and the head BATF punk are the two people primarily responsible for the deaths of all those children. Without the USP driver opening packages and then telling ignorant lies to a federal agency that desperately needed to hear them,and then the political hack planning the surprise armed assault while the door was open and Weaver was talking with the door knockers,none of that would have happened. Poster Comment: Let's not forget the rabidly anti-gun administration in power at that time,and their push to get all gun owners classified as "Dangerous kooks" in the eyes of the public. People in high positions in government SHOULD have gone to federal prisons or have been executed over what happened at Waco.
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#8. To: sneakypete, Stoner, Liberator, Tooconservative, Fred Mertz, buckeroo, rlk (#0)
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At the end they showed a few blurbs about "there is no evidence the Branch Davidians set themselves on fire",but no mention of who else might be responsible for the fire". That's interesting since ABC is also running a propaganda series about Waco. I wonder why all of a sudden both Mockingbird networks decided to revisit the massacre, unless it's to brainwash a new generation and put a pro-gooberment spin on the event. I'm sure that show will cast blame on the Davidians as well without naming the actual murderers.
Well, let's be honest. They had 51 days to exit a building it took 120 seconds to walk through from front to back.
As long as we are being honest,so what? Does their not doing it justify their murders?
"Murder" is the intentional killing of a human being. The governments INTENT was to ARREST THE OCCUPANTS INSIDE. You'd be hard pressed to prove what side started the fire. I personally don't feel either side could convince me, beyond a reasonable doubt, what started that fire. Murder? Ease off the drama. Those folks had PLENTY of time to at least release their CHILDREN over a 51 day stretch... and they didn't. I blame the deaths of the children solidly on the sick twisted religious fucks, that sacrificed the children, for THEIR BELIEFS. The whole place was a cult... a gathering of WEAK MINDS. So weak you can be conned into putting your child in harms way... or drinking the Kool-Aid. I loath WEAKNESS. Cults are a weakness.
You talk like a freshly brainwashed easily influenced cult member. Label other people cult members and crush them. That's the biggest weakness of all. You're a God damned dangerous bully with an IQ of 85 and a mouth full of memorized chestbeating authority and assertiveness. You don't think. You just want to prove you're a big man. I've seen your kind before.
Shut you shit spreader. I'm far from a bully, asshole. In my 52 years, growing up, i've knocked the Shit out of (or as an adult, arrested) MANY BULLIES. I wont stand by and allow someone to kick the shit out of someone just because they are physically tougher or bigger. That DOESN'T however mean I endorse WEAKNESS because the sheep are indoctrinated to live that way (LIKE A FUCKING CULT). So fuck off.
Couple of points and observations here... I believe you in that you hate bullies. I admire it. It's one of the reasons you eschewed promotions having witnessed so much of it at your workplace, and along with all the cowardice and kiss-assing of your co-workers. THAT said, I believe one of the major unifying characteristics of everyone at this forum is that we all to a man, to a poster HATE BULLIES. But that is exactly what Clinton Admin was in this Waco Case. To the nth degree. The Clintons were first and foremost BULLIES. As are and were the 0bamas. Now I'm not defending the Branch Dividians Cultists, but the Waco case was First Degree bullying AND murder. That's fully on the Clintons, Reno, the ATF, and that Feral Death Cult. Please re-examine the evidence.
All of the preparations for Waco, Tx massacre occurred on the Bush watch in 1992. The training of the BATF as an assault on the Branch Davidians occurred in real, true to form staging of mock up facilities located in Oklahoma. The BATF trained for months at HUGE taxpayer donations. Obviously, Stephen Higgins (Director of the BATF) failed in the planning. I wish you people would realize that the final events occurring on Clinton's watch were a hand-off to the FBI; but all the initial planning was by the BATF on G.H Bush's OK.
#55. To: buckeroo, Bush Clinton family, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#49)
Poppy was deeply offended over Wayne La Pierre calling, he & Clinton's fed goons "Jack Booted Thugs".
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestOf course the head hack says he's not responsible for fires that killed all those children because "the people inside set the fires." Un,huh. People decide to set themselves and their children of fire all the time,and it's just a coincidence the joint was being rocked by armored vehicles,huh?
#12. To: Deckard (#8)
I'm sure that show will blame the Davidians for their own deaths as well.
#14. To: GrandIsland (#12)
Well, let's be honest. They had 51 days to exit a building it took 120 seconds to walk through from front to back.
#17. To: sneakypete (#14)
Does their not doing it justify their murders
#34. To: GrandIsland (#17)
I loath WEAKNESS. Cults are a weakness.
#35. To: rlk (#34)
#47. To: GrandIsland, rlk (#35)
In my 52 years, growing up, i've knocked the Shit out of (or as an adult, arrested) MANY BULLIES. I wont stand by and allow someone to kick the shit out of someone just because they are physically tougher or bigger.
#49. To: Liberator (#47)
But that is exactly what Clinton Admin was in this Waco Case. To the nth degree. The Clintons were first and foremost BULLIES. As are and were the 0bamas.
Replies to Comment # 49. all the initial planning was by the BATF on G.H Bush's OK.
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