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Title: 48 Hourss,Waco
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Published: Dec 30, 2017
Author: sneakypete
Post Date: 2017-12-30 18:27:37 by sneakypete
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Keywords: BATF, Bill of Rights
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Did anyone else watch this the other night? I had recorded it,and just watched it today,and I am seriously steamed.

Long story short,the whole thing came about because a UPS driver decided "something was wrong because what religion NEEDS ALL THOSE GUNS?" (emphasis mine)? It seems obvious he didn't know they had a FFL and were selling guns and demilled "grenade" joke gifts,or if he did know he didn't care.

He obviously lied and opened up one package to discover it was full of "grenades" "When I pulled it from the top shelf 5 or 6 grenades rolled out of it." Ask ANYBODY that has ever handled a case of grenades if ANYBODY ever puts them on a top shelf anywhere for proof of this. The TRUTH is they were demilled grenades without the blasting cap or striker that they were mounting on plaques with the wording like "complaint center,pull a pin and wait." ANYBODY can buy,own,or sell them,and not even have to have a FFL because they are NO LONGER CONSIDERED TO BE WEAPONS.

Anyhow,this moral goober took it upon himself to notify the Clinton Administration AFT and report the Branch Dividians for "having live grenades and machine guns!".After going home and talking it over with his wife,of course. She was on tv too,and she too was outraged over "a religious cult having weapons".

Which led to Janet Reno sending in the Storm Troopers,which eventually led to them burning the church buildings down when they ran into it repeatedly with armored vehicles to knock holes in it. Which is what caused it all to burn down since the Feebs had already cut off all electricity to their buildings,and they were using kerosene lanterns for light.

Of course the head hack says he's not responsible for fires that killed all those children because "the people inside set the fires." Un,huh. People decide to set themselves and their children of fire all the time,and it's just a coincidence the joint was being rocked by armored vehicles,huh?

At the end they showed a few blurbs about "there is no evidence the Branch Davidians set themselves on fire",but no mention of who else might be responsible for the fire".

There was also no mention of the Janet Reno/Clinton history of pushing for gun confiscations or things like their actions against Randy Weaver.

Questions like"Why didn't they just arrest Koresh when he went to town on Wednesday to get a haircut?" Or why didn't they just have the local sheriff,who had NO trouble with them,knock on the door and ask to see their weapons records ?"

Nope,they went straight to the cattle trucks and the armed assault with machine guns and body armor by BATF agents. They DID mention Weaver was shot twice while standing at the door talking to the BATF before they started jumping out of the cattle cars and shooting at the building windows with automatic weapons,but that was just in passing in another segment.

One thing is abundantly clear,though. That UPS driver and the head BATF punk are the two people primarily responsible for the deaths of all those children. Without the USP driver opening packages and then telling ignorant lies to a federal agency that desperately needed to hear them,and then the political hack planning the surprise armed assault while the door was open and Weaver was talking with the door knockers,none of that would have happened.


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Let's not forget the rabidly anti-gun administration in power at that time,and their push to get all gun owners classified as "Dangerous kooks" in the eyes of the public. People in high positions in government SHOULD have gone to federal prisons or have been executed over what happened at Waco.Subscribe to *Bill of Rights-Constitution*

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#8. To: sneakypete, Stoner, Liberator, Tooconservative, Fred Mertz, buckeroo, rlk (#0) (Edited)

Of course the head hack says he's not responsible for fires that killed all those children because "the people inside set the fires." Un,huh. People decide to set themselves and their children of fire all the time,and it's just a coincidence the joint was being rocked by armored vehicles,huh?

At the end they showed a few blurbs about "there is no evidence the Branch Davidians set themselves on fire",but no mention of who else might be responsible for the fire".

That's interesting since ABC is also running a propaganda series about Waco. I wonder why all of a sudden both Mockingbird networks decided to revisit the massacre, unless it's to brainwash a new generation and put a pro-gooberment spin on the event.

I'm sure that show will cast blame on the Davidians as well without naming the actual murderers.

Deckard  posted on  2017-12-30   22:33:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Deckard (#8)

I'm sure that show will blame the Davidians for their own deaths as well.

Well, let's be honest. They had 51 days to exit a building it took 120 seconds to walk through from front to back.

GrandIsland  posted on  2017-12-31   0:28:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: GrandIsland (#12) (Edited)

Well, let's be honest. They had 51 days to exit a building it took 120 seconds to walk through from front to back.

Walk out to face a bunch of hostile lunatics carrying guns? If people aren't a theat to anybody, leave them alone. The government assholes came ready and eager to make war, and that's what they made.

rlk  posted on  2017-12-31   1:16:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: rlk (#13)

" Walk out to face a bunch of hostile lunatics carrying guns? If people aren't a theat to anybody, leave them alone. The government assholes came ready and eager to make war, and that's what they made. "

Very good Robert !!!

Well worth repeating !!!

Stoner  posted on  2017-12-31   9:13:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Stoner (#16)

Walk out to face a bunch of hostile lunatics carrying guns? The government assholes came ready and eager to make war, and that's what they made. "

Over the 51 day siege, there was around the clock media coverage on that situation very quickly. I highly doubt law enforcement would have just shot them if they walked out of that structure with their hands raised high.

To suggest they would be gunned down is the dynamic needed to paint those cult members in a situation WHERE THEY CAN'T leave. That's just drama to take the stance that only the government was culpable. Take away that drama filled dynamic (that the occupants would be shot as they exited) and you've got the great question of the century.... WHY DIDN'T THEY AT LEAST RELEASE THE CHILDREN OR EXIT THE STRUCTURE AFTER IT IGNITED.... because they wanted to die as a cult and they had shit to hide.

GrandIsland  posted on  2017-12-31   9:25:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#21. To: GrandIsland (#18)

Take away that drama filled dynamic (that the occupants would be shot as they exited) and you've got the great question of the century.... WHY DIDN'T THEY AT LEAST RELEASE THE CHILDREN OR EXIT THE STRUCTURE AFTER IT IGNITED....

They DID release many of the children right before the final assault with the tanks,and there was no time to release anybody once the fires started thanks to the ferals ramming the building with armored vehicles and knocking over the kerosene lanterns they were useing for light.

I am GUESSING that Koresh refused to release ALL of the children because he was operating under the sane impression that the presence of the children were the only thing that was keeping him and the others from being murdered.

The ferals sure fooled him,huh?

BTW,"No,I don't PERSONALLY believe there was a clear intent to murder the children. I think their deaths in the fire was due to both the accident of the lamps being knocked over by the ramming,and the "shit happens and we don't care" attitudes of the brass in charge at the very top,namely Reno and Clinton.

Still,deaths caused by purposeful carelessness are still murder. They sure as hell weren't justified homicides.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-12-31 09:34:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: GrandIsland (#18)

Over the 51 day siege, there was around the clock media coverage on that situation very quickly. I highly doubt law enforcement would have just shot them if they walked out of that structure with their hands raised high.

BTW,you DO know that Delta Force from Fort Bragg were ordered to go to WACO to teach tactics and help create an assault plan,right?

Being soldiers,they went down there and started to do the job they were tasked with,and all the "we gonna kill all them motherfuckers!" talk by the Feebs and the ATF caused them to pack their shit and go back to Ft.Bragg. When ordered to go back down there and complete the training mission,the Army lawyer assigned to Delta Force sent a formal letter to the DoD explaining in detail WHY they wanted no part of the un-Constituional assault on American citizens and they must have had the goods because they weren't ordered back there.

There WAS a 3 man team from Delta there when the final assault and fire occurred though. The reason they were there was because they were ordered to leave classified equipment there for the punks in "law enforcement" to use,and they had to make sure it didn't disappear into someone's car trunk. The 3 man team was a Colonel,a SGM E-9,and a SFC E-7. They took NO part in the assault,merely watched,collected their equipment when it was over,and went back to Bragg.

I know you were never in the army,but ask someone you know that was,and ask them what THEY think the chances are of a army unit refusing orders from the JCS to take part in a operation because it was UN-Constitutional,and then getting away with it if it wasn't.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-12-31 09:46:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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