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Title: 48 Hourss,Waco
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Published: Dec 30, 2017
Author: sneakypete
Post Date: 2017-12-30 18:27:37 by sneakypete
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Keywords: BATF, Bill of Rights
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Did anyone else watch this the other night? I had recorded it,and just watched it today,and I am seriously steamed.

Long story short,the whole thing came about because a UPS driver decided "something was wrong because what religion NEEDS ALL THOSE GUNS?" (emphasis mine)? It seems obvious he didn't know they had a FFL and were selling guns and demilled "grenade" joke gifts,or if he did know he didn't care.

He obviously lied and opened up one package to discover it was full of "grenades" "When I pulled it from the top shelf 5 or 6 grenades rolled out of it." Ask ANYBODY that has ever handled a case of grenades if ANYBODY ever puts them on a top shelf anywhere for proof of this. The TRUTH is they were demilled grenades without the blasting cap or striker that they were mounting on plaques with the wording like "complaint center,pull a pin and wait." ANYBODY can buy,own,or sell them,and not even have to have a FFL because they are NO LONGER CONSIDERED TO BE WEAPONS.

Anyhow,this moral goober took it upon himself to notify the Clinton Administration AFT and report the Branch Dividians for "having live grenades and machine guns!".After going home and talking it over with his wife,of course. She was on tv too,and she too was outraged over "a religious cult having weapons".

Which led to Janet Reno sending in the Storm Troopers,which eventually led to them burning the church buildings down when they ran into it repeatedly with armored vehicles to knock holes in it. Which is what caused it all to burn down since the Feebs had already cut off all electricity to their buildings,and they were using kerosene lanterns for light.

Of course the head hack says he's not responsible for fires that killed all those children because "the people inside set the fires." Un,huh. People decide to set themselves and their children of fire all the time,and it's just a coincidence the joint was being rocked by armored vehicles,huh?

At the end they showed a few blurbs about "there is no evidence the Branch Davidians set themselves on fire",but no mention of who else might be responsible for the fire".

There was also no mention of the Janet Reno/Clinton history of pushing for gun confiscations or things like their actions against Randy Weaver.

Questions like"Why didn't they just arrest Koresh when he went to town on Wednesday to get a haircut?" Or why didn't they just have the local sheriff,who had NO trouble with them,knock on the door and ask to see their weapons records ?"

Nope,they went straight to the cattle trucks and the armed assault with machine guns and body armor by BATF agents. They DID mention Weaver was shot twice while standing at the door talking to the BATF before they started jumping out of the cattle cars and shooting at the building windows with automatic weapons,but that was just in passing in another segment.

One thing is abundantly clear,though. That UPS driver and the head BATF punk are the two people primarily responsible for the deaths of all those children. Without the USP driver opening packages and then telling ignorant lies to a federal agency that desperately needed to hear them,and then the political hack planning the surprise armed assault while the door was open and Weaver was talking with the door knockers,none of that would have happened.


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Let's not forget the rabidly anti-gun administration in power at that time,and their push to get all gun owners classified as "Dangerous kooks" in the eyes of the public. People in high positions in government SHOULD have gone to federal prisons or have been executed over what happened at Waco.Subscribe to *Bill of Rights-Constitution*

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#8. To: sneakypete, Stoner, Liberator, Tooconservative, Fred Mertz, buckeroo, rlk (#0) (Edited)

Of course the head hack says he's not responsible for fires that killed all those children because "the people inside set the fires." Un,huh. People decide to set themselves and their children of fire all the time,and it's just a coincidence the joint was being rocked by armored vehicles,huh?

At the end they showed a few blurbs about "there is no evidence the Branch Davidians set themselves on fire",but no mention of who else might be responsible for the fire".

That's interesting since ABC is also running a propaganda series about Waco. I wonder why all of a sudden both Mockingbird networks decided to revisit the massacre, unless it's to brainwash a new generation and put a pro-gooberment spin on the event.

I'm sure that show will cast blame on the Davidians as well without naming the actual murderers.

Deckard  posted on  2017-12-30   22:33:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Deckard (#8)

I'm sure that show will blame the Davidians for their own deaths as well.

Well, let's be honest. They had 51 days to exit a building it took 120 seconds to walk through from front to back.

GrandIsland  posted on  2017-12-31   0:28:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: GrandIsland (#12)

Well, let's be honest. They had 51 days to exit a building it took 120 seconds to walk through from front to back.

As long as we are being honest,so what? Does their not doing it justify their murders?

sneakypete  posted on  2017-12-31   8:54:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: sneakypete (#14)

Does their not doing it justify their murders

"Murder" is the intentional killing of a human being. The governments INTENT was to ARREST THE OCCUPANTS INSIDE.

You'd be hard pressed to prove what side started the fire. I personally don't feel either side could convince me, beyond a reasonable doubt, what started that fire.

Murder? Ease off the drama. Those folks had PLENTY of time to at least release their CHILDREN over a 51 day stretch... and they didn't. I blame the deaths of the children solidly on the sick twisted religious fucks, that sacrificed the children, for THEIR BELIEFS.

The whole place was a cult... a gathering of WEAK MINDS. So weak you can be conned into putting your child in harms way... or drinking the Kool-Aid.

I loath WEAKNESS. Cults are a weakness.

GrandIsland  posted on  2017-12-31   9:16:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#19. To: GrandIsland (#17)

"Murder" is the intentional killing of a human being. The governments INTENT was to ARREST THE OCCUPANTS INSIDE.

HorseHilary! They went in on a combat assault the instant they left the cattle trucks.

Congress was talking about eliminating the ATF and they desperately needed a gun fight on tv to justify their existence. Who better than some kooky religious cult in Texas?

You'd be hard pressed to prove what side started the fire.

Of course you would,but only because the feds seized the video tape of the first few moments of the action and edited it. I was watching the live feed on tv as it happened that morning,and Koresh was standing unarmed in his open door reading the search warrant when the asses unassed the cattle truck and started shooting. Koresh himself was shot twice while standing unarmed in the open doorway.

Murder?

Yes,MURDER!

Ease off the drama. Those folks had PLENTY of time to at least release their CHILDREN over a 51 day stretch...and they didn't.

Why would they when they had already been fired on in an unprovoked attack?

I blame the deaths of the children solidly on the sick twisted religious fucks, that sacrificed the children, for THEIR BELIEFS.

Of course you do. You are a life-long leather boy groupie. It's all you know.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-12-31 09:27:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: GrandIsland (#17)

I loath WEAKNESS. Cults are a weakness.

You talk like a freshly brainwashed easily influenced cult member. Label other people cult members and crush them. That's the biggest weakness of all. You're a God damned dangerous bully with an IQ of 85 and a mouth full of memorized chestbeating authority and assertiveness. You don't think. You just want to prove you're a big man. I've seen your kind before.

rlk  posted on  2017-12-31 13:31:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: GrandIsland (#17)

The governments INTENT was to ARREST THE OCCUPANTS INSIDE.

I'm not convinced you examined the actual dynamics of this entire operation, GI. Don't be so quick to dig in your heels in this case. The initial "intent" of the Waco Op had nothing to do with actual "Law Enforcement...

In large part Waco was a Psychological Operation with many facets to it. But it also had the projected sadistic handprints of Hitlery all over it.

Some of the intent was rooted in the power-mad sadistic Clintons getting their kicks out of abusing the extent of their power -- a troubling practice for both the Clinton AND 0bamas.

Hillary was said to have ordered the Waco siege. We ALL know what a sick, vindictive witch she is (as are most Democrats.) Remember it was also Hitlery who infamously uttered of a murdered Khaddafi: "We came, we saw, he died...*cackle*"

http://www.rense.com/general8/tripp.htm

The many facets and reasons for the Waco Op: Wag-the-Dog, Hitlery acting out...Then ideological intimidation, observing and gauging public and media reaction (as a toe in the water), testing just how far fascist gubmint ops could go (without causing public outrage)...and finally as a cautionary tale for those (like survivalists) who consider challenging (fascist) gubmint muscle and paramilitary operations -- whether right or wrong.

The Bundy/BLM Op was a matter of Barry and his co-Prog Fascists acting out and projecting his and their hate and abuse of power upon the Bundys, who represented ALL White people to them. 0bama ordered his little mini-version of Mugabe in Zimbabwe going after white farmers.

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