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Title: Where Was Oswald During The Assassination?
Source: Lew Rockwell
URL Source: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/12 ... wald-during-the-assassination/
Published: Dec 28, 2017
Author: Dom Armentano
Post Date: 2017-12-28 05:41:03 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 455
Comments: 13

The most important conclusion of the Warren Commission (WC) concerning the assassination of President John F. Kennedy is that Lee Harvey Oswald was at the 6th floor window of the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD) and fired three rifle shots at the Presidential motorcade. But this conclusion falls apart completely if Oswald was actually on the second floor just after the shots were fired (he was) or even, perhaps, in the first floor doorway watching the motorcade at the very moment of the assassination.

Where was Oswald when the shots were fired?

The WC never did have hard evidence that Oswald was actually on the 6th floor when the shooting began. No one in the TSBD could place him there around 12:30 when the first shots rang out. Howard L. Brennan, a bystander,  looked up at the 6th floor from across Elm Street and claimed to have seen a man with a rifle at the (half opened) window but he was unable to identify Oswald in a police line-up later that day. If Oswald was in the 6th floor “snipes nest” no one actually saw him there.

The real problems for the WC begin, however, when Oswald was identified outside the 2nd floor employee lunch room approximately 2 minutes after the final shot. He was seen there and stopped for questioning by TSBD supervisor Roy Truly and  Dallas police officer Marion Baker. The officer shoved a pistol in Oswald’s belly and asked the Depository supervisor whether Oswald belonged in the building; he did. By all accounts, Oswald was holding a Coke and appeared calm and non-pulsed by the abrupt appearance of police.

But having Oswald on the 2nd floor so soon after the shooting posed a  problem for the WC. After all, if Oswald was on the 6th floor firing a rifle, did he really have time to hide that rifle between several rows of book boxes at the west end of the Depository; exit the 6th floor and then travel down 4 flights of stairs, to` appear on the 2nd floor where, as noted, he was positively identified?  The WC concluded that all of this activity could be accomplished in the time allotted but critics have always doubted that improbable timeline.

But there is a more serious problem associated with the alleged Oswald decent to the 2nd floor.  Two TSBD employees, Sandra Styles and Vicki Adams, were both at a 4th floor window watching the motorcade. Almost immediately after the last shot (perhaps within 40 seconds according to Ms. Adams) both women left the window, crossed the 4th floor, and then descended the stairwell to the ground floor. Now since the WC assumed that Oswald was descending those very same stairs at roughly the same time, it seems probable that these women would have seen or heard him; they did not.

Moreover Dorothy Garner, another TSBD supervisor, stayed at the 4th floor stairwell exit and watched Styles and Adams descend;  she did not see Oswald on the stairwell either. After a short period of time, she then watched Roy Truly and Officer Baker ascend those same stairs on their way up to the 6th floor. Yet as we have noted, Truly and Baker had already confronted Oswald on the 2nd floor and this confrontation must have occurred prior to Garner’s observations and prior to the stairway decent of Adams and Styles.  Thus, either Oswald descended those stairs well before Styles and Adams (even though they started down two floors lower) or he could not have been on the 6th floor firing at the President.

We know for certain that Oswald was near the 2nd floor lunch room within minutes of the fatal shot. But where was Oswald a minute or two earlier…at the precise moment of the assassination?

The famous Altgens photo (showing the motorcade in the foreground and the TSBD in the background) which was taken simultaneously with a bullet hitting JFK, also shows a man in the front doorway of the TSBD who looks remarkably like Lee Harvey Oswald. Speculation began almost immediately that it was Oswald but the WC concluded, instead, that the man was Billy Lovelady another TSBD employee.  Lovelady testified before the WC that he was in fact the man in the Altgens photo and several other TSBD employees appeared to confirm Lovelady’s story.

But like many other aspects of the WC theory of the assassination, the Billy Lovelady story has almost completely collapsed. Modern photo analysis has all but proven that the man in the doorway is Oswald and not Lovelady (although Lovelady is likely somewhere on the front steps also). The relatively thin face in the enhanced photo appears to be Oswald’s. The chin looks like Oswald’s as does the hairline. But the clincher is the unique looking shirt that the man in the doorway is wearing. For all intensive purposes, it’s almost like a fingerprint.

There are many films and photographs of Lee Harvey Oswald in the Dallas police station after his capture that show him wearing a rather strange looking, long sleeve shirt. The shirt has an odd gray weave design, has rather unusual looking lapels and is unbuttoned almost to the waist. Oswald is also wearing a white tee shirt that is exposed above his unbuttoned shirt.

Well, the man in the doorway is dressed in exactly the same manner; there are just no dissimilarities whatever. The long sleeve shirt he is wearing looks identical to Oswald’s: same pattern and weave, same grayish color, similar looking white tee shirt peaking above a shirt that is open almost to the waist. Even the shirt lapels, especially the left lapel, appear to match up precisely with the Oswald shirt in police photos. It is unreasonable to believe that this man in the doorway is none other than Lee Harvey Oswald.

Moreover, aside from physical appearance and dress, the man in the doorway is also standing and assuming a pose much like Oswald does in several police station photos. Lee Oswald had a habit of standing with his arms hanging down close to his body with his left hand reaching across his body to grasp his right arm. The man in the doorway appears to be standing in exactly the same manner as he leans in to watch the motorcade. In conclusion, the face, shirt and posture of the man in the doorway appears to match those of Lee Harvey Oswald. Either this is the world’s most amazing coincidence or “doorway man” is Oswald and, therefore, Oswald could not have been shooting at the President from the 6th floor.

But what about Billy Lovelady? Lovelady may well have been on the steps of the TSBD at the time of the shooting, but his claim to be the man in the doorway is simply not credible. Lovelady’s face is rounder than the man in the doorway and his chin is very different;  he is stockier and heavier than the man in the photo. But the clincher, of course, is the unique shirt and the way it is worn.  Lovelady never had a shirt anything like the doorway man’s shirt; if he did, he never produced it.  Indeed, when asked to produce and be photographed in the shirt that he wore on November 22, 1963, Lovelady appeared in a short sleeve, boldly stripped shirt that had no resemblance whatever to the doorway photo shirt. The Lovelady (self) identification is a hoax.

Lee Harvey Oswald was almost certainly not  the 6th floor shooter but he may well have been a “patsy” (as he claimed) and framed for involvement in the events of November 22, 1963. What that precise involvement was still remains unresolved.

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#1. To: Y'ALL (#0)

Lee Harvey Oswald was almost certainly not the 6th floor shooter but he may well have been a “patsy” (as he claimed) and framed for involvement in the events of November 22, 1963.

What that precise involvement was still remains unresolved.

And it will remain unresolved, because at this point, the political/economic destruction of our Constitutional Republic has advanced to the point of no return?

Is there anything that can be done to avoid a complete collapse of our funny money economy?

The assassination of JFK was the first shot fired in a takeover coup, -- by elements of the military/industrial complex Eisenhower warned us about. --- It worked.

Now, it looks as if even the greedy fools who started it are about to be ruined by the monster they created.

Is there any way out?

tpaine  posted on  2017-12-28   11:08:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: tpaine (#1)

The assassination of JFK was the first shot fired in a takeover coup, --

Now we know for certain that you're totally delusional...

BTW... aren't you getting old enough to retire to some kind of Assisted Living Facility? Maybe they can toss a blanket on you and let you play bingo instead of posting conspiracy theories on the Internet all day... Bingo is supposed to be very therapeutic, you know...

Willie Green  posted on  2017-12-28   12:03:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Willie Green (#2)

Willie I'm going to give you some advice. Repent for your evil views. Or take the other path if you insist. No flesh off my back.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-12-28   12:13:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Willie Green (#2)

The assassination of JFK was the first shot fired in a takeover coup, -- by elements of the military/industrial complex Eisenhower warned us about. --- It worked.

Willy---- Now we know for certain that you're totally delusional..

Poor little willy, deluded into thinking that the LBJ administration did NOT change history by initiating the Vietnam War..

Dream on, fool.

tpaine  posted on  2017-12-28   12:50:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Deckard (#0)

If a man knows the truth, and keeps silent he is a part of the sin. That goes for conspiracies, the LGBTQueer agenda, and all things Obama/Clinton/Bush/CIA/FBI/NSA. Frankly, the world is awash in corruption and to see or comment on it is enough to brand a person as a KOOK.

THIS IS A TAG LINE...Exercising rights is only radical to two people, Tyrants and Slaves. Which are YOU? Our ignorance has driven us into slavery and we do not recognize it.

jeremiad  posted on  2017-12-28   15:40:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: tpaine (#4)

Poor little willy, deluded into thinking that the LBJ administration did NOT change history by initiating the Vietnam War.

LBJ didn't initiate Viet Nam. He just fanned and expanded it.

rlk  posted on  2017-12-28   17:41:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: rlk, yall (#6)

The LBJ administration changed history by initiating/increasing our involvement in the Vietnam War. -- JFK was trying to get us out, prior to his assassination..

LBJ didn't initiate Viet Nam. He just fanned and expanded it. --- u rlk

You're nitpicking.. The people Ike warned us about as wanted another war, and JFK's assassination helped that war faction to 'win'.

Our troops died in vain. as nothing changed. Vietnam turned to communism, and now is just another minor league satellite of China.

tpaine  posted on  2017-12-29   12:06:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: rlk (#6)

LBJ didn't initiate Viet Nam. He just fanned and expanded it.

Agree...

Then he and his murderous military-industrial cabal lied about the extent of his expansion AND mission to commit NOT-TO-WIN.

Liberator  posted on  2017-12-29   12:21:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: tpaine (#7)

The people Ike warned us about as wanted another war, and JFK's assassination helped that war faction to 'win'.

Yes, but Nam was NOT a "war" until LBJ Inc committed US troops and military to a full out war. Again, without committing to a stated goal and a full, uncompromising victory.

You are right -- LBJ and his cabal exploited JFK's assassination to project "Kennedy's fervent wishes and agenda." As usual, the MSM was instrumental in promoting "Let's do it for Camelot!"

The Big Lie that "Communism has to be stopped there!!" was sold as Congress and the American people were deceived. Except that the US military was purposely hog-tied, sold-out, and ordered to stand down to a draw...even though our guys were winning with one arm tied behind their back.

Liberator  posted on  2017-12-29   12:31:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Liberator (#8)

The people Ike warned us about as wanted another war, and JFK's assassination helped that war faction to 'win'. --- tpaine

Yes, ----- LBJ Inc committed US troops and military to a full out war. Again, without committing to a stated goal and a full, uncompromising victory. ---------- Then he and his murderous military-industrial cabal lied about the extent of his expansion AND mission to commit NOT-TO-WIN.

Well said..

By the time Nam ended, it was obvious that there had been a cabal, -- committed not to winning, but to profiting.

tpaine  posted on  2017-12-29   13:00:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: tpaine (#7)

Our troops died in vain.

They didn't die in vain. They were sent over there by Kennedy's "best and brightest" intellectuals (including MacNamara)to lose in testimony to the superior and indominatable belief in communism. The point was made. I have on disk MacNamara's exhillarated statement, "We lost."

rlk  posted on  2017-12-29   21:19:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: rlk (#11)

You're nitpicking.. The people Ike warned us about as wanted another war, and JFK's assassination helped that war faction to 'win'.

Our troops died in vain. as nothing changed. Vietnam turned to communism, and now is just another minor league satellite of China. ---- tpaine

rlk --- They didn't die in vain. They were sent over there by Kennedy's "best and brightest" intellectuals (including MacNamara)to lose in testimony to the superior and indominatable belief in communism. The point was made.

Now you're not only nitpicking, you're delusional..

--- "They were sent over there ----- to lose".. ???

Good grief man, get some professional help...

tpaine  posted on  2017-12-29   22:26:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: tpaine (#12) (Edited)

"They were sent over there ----- to lose".. ?

Yup. Our men were inadaquately trained. Inadaquately led at the platoon and company level. Inadaquately led at high levels. Inadaquatly equipped. And not supported at home, including by U. S. presidents. One of our principle advisors was a Vietnamese Major general in our Army who was also a clandestine Major General in the North Vietnamese army. He said he gave us advice that was so self defeating that he as surprised that we took it. As time went on he escalated it. We never caught on. Into this mess we took a bunch of kids, dumped them off, and said defend yourselves and win a war.

MacNamara was one of the worst Secetairies of Defense in history. He had no military experience and micromanaged the military with stern looks and little granny glasses. He employed obsolete trench first World War tactics in jungle warfare. But Kennedy and LBJ kept him on as as the brains of the outfit. MacNamara intimidated them with his stern looks the same way as he did the pentagon.

rlk  posted on  2017-12-30   22:40:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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