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Title: Ron Paul: Trump may be vulnerable to 2020 GOP primary challenge
Source: Washington Examiner
URL Source: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/r ... mary-challenge/article/2644395
Published: Dec 26, 2017
Author: Steven Nelson
Post Date: 2017-12-26 21:45:25 by Gatlin
Keywords: None
Views: 1711
Comments: 38

Former Texas Rep. Ron Paul says a yearlong economic boom under President Trump is “a bit of an illusion” and that debt, inflation, and inequality could cause turmoil that benefits a “hardcore nucleus” of libertarians.

The libertarian Republican leader told the Washington Examiner that Trump could face a strong challenger in the 2020 GOP primary, especially if “things are really much worse."

“The big opening for us is the fact that this system is coming apart. We’re on the verge of something like what happened in ‘89 when the Soviet system just collapsed,” he said. “I’m just hoping our system comes apart as gracefully as the Soviet system.”

Paul doesn’t believe the U.S. will break into separate countries, but instead expects a rethink of monetary policy and an end to what he considers a U.S. “empire” overseas.

“We have ownership of these countries, but it’s not quite like the Soviets did,” he said. “I think our stature in the world and our empire will end, and that’s when, hopefully, the doors will be open and [people will] say, ‘Hey, maybe these libertarians have some answers to this.’”

Paul said “the country’s feeling a lot better, but it’s all on borrowed money” and that “the whole system’s an illusion” built on corporate, personal, and governmental debt. “It’s a bubble economy in many many different ways and it’s going to come unglued,” he said.

The former congressman for years has presented issues in stark terms, refreshingly so for supporters and with an alarmist edge in the eyes of detractors.

Paul rose to prominence with 2008 and 2012 GOP presidential bids, running on an anti-war, pro-civil liberties message. When his son, Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., appeared well positioned for a 2016 presidential run, news outlets declared the country was experiencing a “libertarian moment.”

“The appearance of the libertarian movement has been set back partially because of Trump, but intellectually we’ve been doing well,” Paul said, describing a large "hardcore nucleus" of conference-attending enthusiasts.

Although broadly critical of Trump, Paul likes the president's talk about removing government regulations and implementing tax cuts.

“Trump’s being a good cheerleader. He’s a cheerleader for Wall Street, and I keep my fingers crossed, maybe lowering some of the taxes will help, certainly lowering the regulations. But I think the problems are so deep and structural,” he said.

Paul said he's disappointed with Trump's foreign policy, especially his approach toward North Korea and his support for Saudi Arabia's military role in Yemen.

“I think the foreign policy is a total disaster. Trump’s approach sounds good one day but the next day he’s antagonizing everyone in the world and thinks we should start a war here and there," he said.

Domestically, Paul views Attorney General Jeff Sessions as a threat to civil liberties and said he would be “delighted” if Trump fired him, though he’s not hopeful the replacement would be better.

The former congressman said he continues to view the U.S. as being on a path to fascism — on a long historical arch featuring authoritarian policies of Presidents Lincoln and Wilson.

“This time when we have a permanent war on terrorism there’s no backing off — and with the war on immigrants, and the borders,” he said. “Anybody who thinks we’re not doing too badly has not been flying on an airplane lately. That’s about as authoritarian-fascism as you can get.”

Paul said government policies that steer money to the wealthy create understandable anger among poorer Americans — pointing to the success of Sen. Bernie Sander, the Vermont socialist, in his 2016 campaign for the Democratic nomination. Paul said a libertarian answer, halting inflation and "crony capitalism," would result in more freedom.

“We as libertarians have some work to do before [voters] are going to accept a true- blue libertarian,” he said, “but I think moving in that direction and having a popular candidate [in 2020] is very possible.”

"If they only hear our message, I know they would choose liberty and sound money and freedom and peace over the mess we have today," Paul said.


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Paul said “the country’s feeling a lot better, but it’s all on borrowed money” and that “the whole system’s an illusion” built on corporate, personal, and governmental debt. “It’s a bubble economy in many many different ways and it’s going to come unglued,” he said.

It's not an illusion. It's real. The illusion is that debt is real. Once a large enough constellation of people decide that the debt isn't real, they treat it as unreal, it ceases to BE real and becomes uncollectible paper.

Debt is only real if there are people willing to - or coerced to - honor it. But if the coercive forces align with the borrowers, the lenders simply lose.

That's the way great debt inequalities get resolved over the course of history. The borrowers revolt, the enforcers are borrowers too and side with the borrowers, the lenders get stiffed. The borrowers can't borrow for awhile but a new generation of people with excess money who want to earn money on it, dare to lend, and the system resets.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-12-26   22:11:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Vicomte13 (#3)

Not to bad of a commentary Vic.

I say we pay China in blue money then devalue it and say it can only be spent in USA by the entity that got the blue money in the first place.

Not just China bit other countries and entities too.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-12-27   8:21:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: A K A Stone (#9)

Not to bad of a commentary Vic.

I say we pay China in blue money then devalue it and say it can only be spent in USA by the entity that got the blue money in the first place.

Not just China bit other countries and entities too.

That is EXACTLY how you handle China, etc., if they become militarily aggressive: you cancel all debt with them, particularly US Treasury debt, and stop paying, and you nationalize their property within the United States.

This effectively reduces the US National Debt by literally trillions of dollars in one fell swoop, and removes the debt from hundreds of millions from Americans, while adding to the coffers.

You simply TAKE IT and KEEP IT.

This delivers a trillion dollar blow to them while simultaneously handing trillions in wealth to the United States. It's the modern version of literally sacking an enemy country upon conquest, and you never have to fire a shot to do this.

Now, of course, before you do that, you stand them up in front of an open grave and SHOW THEM what you are about to do. Then they either back down, or they suffer the greatest instantaneous wealth transfer and transfer of power from one country to another in the history of mankind. without firing a shot.

That doesn't mean you wipe out ALL debt. You just selectively cancel all debt owed by either the US government or any private citizen to either the Chinese government or any Chinese citizen. You steal all of the Chinese wealth IN America, you reneg on all American debt TO China, and you free every American from every tie of debt obligation to anything Chinese.

It's theft - but in war, theft if called "conquest" and "plunder". And it's very effective.

Of course, the Chinese won't reinvest in you again if you do that. But if you time the blow properly, you upend the Chinese economy so badly their government falls apart, they have a revolution, and then you choose the winning side by offering to reinstate THEIR portion of the debt, while screwing the rest.

In this way, the money you owe becomes a tremendous lever of power. Trump used this technique to great advantage in his business bankruptcies.

Remember the old adage: If I owe you $1000, I have a problem. If I owe you $1 million, you have a problem.

Of course, when it comes to war, I am always ready to play the hardest of hardball. I'm not only willing to shed blood and incinerate cities. I am ALSO ready and eager to seize wealth, cancel debt and extract wealth from the enemy.

Money is another weapon in war. You use all weapons.

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