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Title: Ron Paul: Trump may be vulnerable to 2020 GOP primary challenge
Source: Washington Examiner
URL Source: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/r ... mary-challenge/article/2644395
Published: Dec 26, 2017
Author: Steven Nelson
Post Date: 2017-12-26 21:45:25 by Gatlin
Keywords: None
Views: 910
Comments: 38

Former Texas Rep. Ron Paul says a yearlong economic boom under President Trump is “a bit of an illusion” and that debt, inflation, and inequality could cause turmoil that benefits a “hardcore nucleus” of libertarians.

The libertarian Republican leader told the Washington Examiner that Trump could face a strong challenger in the 2020 GOP primary, especially if “things are really much worse."

“The big opening for us is the fact that this system is coming apart. We’re on the verge of something like what happened in ‘89 when the Soviet system just collapsed,” he said. “I’m just hoping our system comes apart as gracefully as the Soviet system.”

Paul doesn’t believe the U.S. will break into separate countries, but instead expects a rethink of monetary policy and an end to what he considers a U.S. “empire” overseas.

“We have ownership of these countries, but it’s not quite like the Soviets did,” he said. “I think our stature in the world and our empire will end, and that’s when, hopefully, the doors will be open and [people will] say, ‘Hey, maybe these libertarians have some answers to this.’”

Paul said “the country’s feeling a lot better, but it’s all on borrowed money” and that “the whole system’s an illusion” built on corporate, personal, and governmental debt. “It’s a bubble economy in many many different ways and it’s going to come unglued,” he said.

The former congressman for years has presented issues in stark terms, refreshingly so for supporters and with an alarmist edge in the eyes of detractors.

Paul rose to prominence with 2008 and 2012 GOP presidential bids, running on an anti-war, pro-civil liberties message. When his son, Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., appeared well positioned for a 2016 presidential run, news outlets declared the country was experiencing a “libertarian moment.”

“The appearance of the libertarian movement has been set back partially because of Trump, but intellectually we’ve been doing well,” Paul said, describing a large "hardcore nucleus" of conference-attending enthusiasts.

Although broadly critical of Trump, Paul likes the president's talk about removing government regulations and implementing tax cuts.

“Trump’s being a good cheerleader. He’s a cheerleader for Wall Street, and I keep my fingers crossed, maybe lowering some of the taxes will help, certainly lowering the regulations. But I think the problems are so deep and structural,” he said.

Paul said he's disappointed with Trump's foreign policy, especially his approach toward North Korea and his support for Saudi Arabia's military role in Yemen.

“I think the foreign policy is a total disaster. Trump’s approach sounds good one day but the next day he’s antagonizing everyone in the world and thinks we should start a war here and there," he said.

Domestically, Paul views Attorney General Jeff Sessions as a threat to civil liberties and said he would be “delighted” if Trump fired him, though he’s not hopeful the replacement would be better.

The former congressman said he continues to view the U.S. as being on a path to fascism — on a long historical arch featuring authoritarian policies of Presidents Lincoln and Wilson.

“This time when we have a permanent war on terrorism there’s no backing off — and with the war on immigrants, and the borders,” he said. “Anybody who thinks we’re not doing too badly has not been flying on an airplane lately. That’s about as authoritarian-fascism as you can get.”

Paul said government policies that steer money to the wealthy create understandable anger among poorer Americans — pointing to the success of Sen. Bernie Sander, the Vermont socialist, in his 2016 campaign for the Democratic nomination. Paul said a libertarian answer, halting inflation and "crony capitalism," would result in more freedom.

“We as libertarians have some work to do before [voters] are going to accept a true- blue libertarian,” he said, “but I think moving in that direction and having a popular candidate [in 2020] is very possible.”

"If they only hear our message, I know they would choose liberty and sound money and freedom and peace over the mess we have today," Paul said.


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“We as libertarians have some work to do before [voters] are going to accept a true- blue libertarian,” he [Ron Paul] said.

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#1. To: Gatlin (#0)

Ron Paultard

The king of the PAULTARDS... Ron himself. Kindly shut your 6% followed shit spitter. Retire or die.

Please and thank you.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2017-12-26   21:54:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: GrandIsland (#1)

I should have posted this under "Humor."

Gatlin  posted on  2017-12-26   22:02:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Gatlin (#0)

Paul said “the country’s feeling a lot better, but it’s all on borrowed money” and that “the whole system’s an illusion” built on corporate, personal, and governmental debt. “It’s a bubble economy in many many different ways and it’s going to come unglued,” he said.

It's not an illusion. It's real. The illusion is that debt is real. Once a large enough constellation of people decide that the debt isn't real, they treat it as unreal, it ceases to BE real and becomes uncollectible paper.

Debt is only real if there are people willing to - or coerced to - honor it. But if the coercive forces align with the borrowers, the lenders simply lose.

That's the way great debt inequalities get resolved over the course of history. The borrowers revolt, the enforcers are borrowers too and side with the borrowers, the lenders get stiffed. The borrowers can't borrow for awhile but a new generation of people with excess money who want to earn money on it, dare to lend, and the system resets.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-12-26   22:11:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Gatlin, One Term Donnell (#0)

Trump could face challenge in 2020 primary, Republican warns


Senator Jeff Flake, pictured with Donald Trump in this December 5, 2017 photo, has been critical of both the president and his Republican party (AFP Photo/SAUL LOEB)

Washington (AFP) - US President Donald Trump may face competition to be the Republican party's nominee for the 2020 White House race if he decides to pursue a second term, a US senator said in an interview broadcast Sunday.

"I do believe if the president is running for re-election, if he continues on the path that he's on, that that's going to leave a huge swath of voters looking for something else," Jeff Flake, one of the few elected Republicans to publicly criticize Trump, said in an interview on ABC's "This Week."

"If he's the Republican nominee again, we're likely to see an independent candidate" in the November 2020 presidential election, said Flake, who announced this fall that was stepping down from his Senate seat in late 2018.

"He's probably inviting a Republican challenge as well" for the 2020 primaries to tap a nominee for the Republican party, he warned.

Sitting presidents are typically considered shoo-ins as the nominee for their party at the end of the first term, although an intra-party challenge is not unheard of.

Democratic President Jimmy Carter faced off against Senator Ted Kennedy in 1980, and four years before that, Republican President Gerald Ford clashed with Ronald Reagan.

Flake is among the few Republican lawmakers who have publicly criticized the president, both on a personal level and for his policies which the senator deems extreme.

"You look at the audiences cheering for Republicans... you look out there and say, those are the spasms of a dying party," he said in the interview.

"By and large, we're appealing to older white men. And there are just a limited number of them. And anger and resentment are not a governing philosophy."

Flake was circumspect when asked if he was considering a run in 2020.

"I don't rule anything out but it's not in my plans," he said.

Congressman Charlie Dent, a leading Republican moderate in the House of Representatives who is also stepping down next year, on Sunday denounced what he characterized as the party's blind loyalty to Trump.

"The issue is loyalty to the man. To the president. And for some, loyalty is not enough. You have to be angry and aggrieved," he said on ABC.

"I have said to folks, if I set myself on fire for them, they would complain that the temperature of the flame is not hot enough."

Dent said that even though he expects Republicans to maintain their legislative majority in mid-term elections in November 2018, the party can still expect to lose seats.

His advice to colleagues: "Be prepared for the worst because this could be a really tough year."

Hondo68  posted on  2017-12-26   23:39:16 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: hondo68 (#4)

Jeff Flake

Is a dirty shitbag traitor... and only a RINO loving fecal feeder would propagate anything fuckhead Flake has to say.

It's not Xmas any longer... the gloves are back off, Hondope

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2017-12-27   0:22:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: GrandIsland, *2020 The Likely Suspects* (#5)

Sure Flake hates Trump for all the wrong reasons, but he's on the right track despising The Donald.

Roy Moore/Austin Petersen 2020! - Independent

Hondo68  posted on  2017-12-27   1:17:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: GrandIsland (#5)

" Jeff Flake

Is a dirty shitbag traitor. "

Flake is a FLAKE !!

He is an example of one of several problems with the Republican Party.

The party has too, too many globalists, RINO'S, and " Moderates " = which is another word for wussie shitbags. Other prime examples are McStain, Collins, etc.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt

"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)

Stoner  posted on  2017-12-27   6:36:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Gatlin (#0)

Thank God that moron never became President. I voted for him once in the primaries. Trump is a better leader than Paul could ever dream of.

I'm not saying Paul is bad on everything because he certainly isn3t.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-12-27   8:18:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Vicomte13 (#3)

Not to bad of a commentary Vic.

I say we pay China in blue money then devalue it and say it can only be spent in USA by the entity that got the blue money in the first place.

Not just China bit other countries and entities too.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-12-27   8:21:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: hondo68 (#4)

You have fecal matter on your teeth. Have you been hanging out with Gay Johnson again. Or are you a flakey now?

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-12-27   8:23:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: A K A Stone (#9)

Not to bad of a commentary Vic.

I say we pay China in blue money then devalue it and say it can only be spent in USA by the entity that got the blue money in the first place.

Not just China bit other countries and entities too.

That is EXACTLY how you handle China, etc., if they become militarily aggressive: you cancel all debt with them, particularly US Treasury debt, and stop paying, and you nationalize their property within the United States.

This effectively reduces the US National Debt by literally trillions of dollars in one fell swoop, and removes the debt from hundreds of millions from Americans, while adding to the coffers.

You simply TAKE IT and KEEP IT.

This delivers a trillion dollar blow to them while simultaneously handing trillions in wealth to the United States. It's the modern version of literally sacking an enemy country upon conquest, and you never have to fire a shot to do this.

Now, of course, before you do that, you stand them up in front of an open grave and SHOW THEM what you are about to do. Then they either back down, or they suffer the greatest instantaneous wealth transfer and transfer of power from one country to another in the history of mankind. without firing a shot.

That doesn't mean you wipe out ALL debt. You just selectively cancel all debt owed by either the US government or any private citizen to either the Chinese government or any Chinese citizen. You steal all of the Chinese wealth IN America, you reneg on all American debt TO China, and you free every American from every tie of debt obligation to anything Chinese.

It's theft - but in war, theft if called "conquest" and "plunder". And it's very effective.

Of course, the Chinese won't reinvest in you again if you do that. But if you time the blow properly, you upend the Chinese economy so badly their government falls apart, they have a revolution, and then you choose the winning side by offering to reinstate THEIR portion of the debt, while screwing the rest.

In this way, the money you owe becomes a tremendous lever of power. Trump used this technique to great advantage in his business bankruptcies.

Remember the old adage: If I owe you $1000, I have a problem. If I owe you $1 million, you have a problem.

Of course, when it comes to war, I am always ready to play the hardest of hardball. I'm not only willing to shed blood and incinerate cities. I am ALSO ready and eager to seize wealth, cancel debt and extract wealth from the enemy.

Money is another weapon in war. You use all weapons.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-12-27   11:33:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Vicomte13 (#3)

Remember the old adage: If I owe you $1000, I have a problem. If I owe you $1 million, you have a problem.

Paul said “the country’s feeling a lot better, but it’s all on borrowed money” and that “the whole system’s an illusion” built on corporate, personal, and governmental debt. “It’s a bubble economy in many many different ways and it’s going to come unglued,” he said.

Vicomte13,_---- It's not an illusion. It's real. The illusion is that debt is real. Once a large enough constellation of people decide that the debt isn't real, they treat it as unreal, it ceases to BE real and becomes uncollectible paper.

Our national debt has been unreal since we went off the gold standard.. --- It's funny money, fiat paper. The fiat paper debt can be paid off with more fiat paper.

As you noted; -- " Debt is only real if there are people willing to - or coerced to - honor it. But if the coercive forces align with the borrowers, the lenders simply lose. "

tpaine  posted on  2017-12-27   13:33:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: hondo68 (#6)

Roy Moore/Austin Petersen 2020! - Independent

Ask someone who seems to know you if you have been repeatedly dropped on your head recently.

You owe it to yourself.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-12-27   14:40:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: sneakypete (#13)

Hondo is a non serious poster. He just likes to think up stupid stuff, often lies. Then he posts it here because he thinks he is funny.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-12-27   15:59:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: A K A Stone, sneakypete, loyal party hacks, *Constitution Party* (#14) (Edited)

a non serious poster

think up stupid stuff

This is America, believe whatever stupid stuff you like!

Austin Petersen would whoop Mike Pence in the debates, for sure.

How come you two dummies haven't figured out that the Democrat Republican party is the problem, not the solution?

Keep doing what you've always done, and you'll keep getting what you always got - Big Stupid Corrupt Government.

Hondo68  posted on  2017-12-27   16:23:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: hondo68 (#15) (Edited)

How come you two dummies haven't figured out that the Democrat Republican party is the problem, not the solution?

You haven't figured that out yet... because Trump ain't neither. He's been attacked from all sides of the POLITICAL SPECTRUM... cause he ain't a politician. He's hated most BY THE LEFT... and you hate him. That makes you a faggot cake loving shitbird.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2017-12-27   22:00:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: hondo68 (#15) (Edited)

Hondo be serious. You championed a fag lover for killing children so illegals could invade us.

You were willing to have that piece of shit.

Trump was better then him. He appointed Gorsuch and stripped abortion funding.

He is doing more on the border and will do more when Congress acts.

Do you disagree with his tax cuts?

So get your head out of your ass and look at things objectively.

Now one question and answer it honestly or you will forever be known as a dumb ass clown.

Who would be the better President Trump or Gary Johnson?

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-12-28   0:23:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: A K A Stone (#17)

He is doing more on the border and will do more when Congress acts.

Do you disagree with his tax cuts?

be serious

He has his DHS chief giving sanctuary to the DACA illegal aliens. Congress can do NOTHING to make Trump do his job and deport illegal aliens, other than impeach and remove him. How can congress make Trump deport the illegal aliens? They can't! What he's really asking Congress to do is work out some kind of amnesty deal. That they CAN do, and the Reconquista Ronnie Republicans already did so once before in the '80's.

The so called "tax cut" is a fraud. It will increase the National Debt and likely crash the economy. Your children and grandchildren will pay dearly for what little you get in the way of a tax break.

YOU be serious, take off the rose colored glasses and look at things as they really are, IMO.

Time will tell.

Hondo68  posted on  2017-12-28   1:11:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: A K A Stone (#17) (Edited)

Who would be the better President Trump or Gary Johnson?

I will never vote for either one!

Why would anyone ever vote for Hillary, Trump, or Gary Johnson? They'd have to hate America, or be deranged and F'd in the head too!

Hondo68  posted on  2017-12-28   1:16:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: hondo68 (#19)

Then you were a dumb ass for years telling us to vote for your fag boy.

If you were so fucking stupid back then why should anyone take someone with such a moronic view seriously?

Hmm douche?

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-12-28   2:52:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: A K A Stone (#20)

Write in Gary Johnson in the next election and you can be a special snowflake.

The only on in the USA dumb enough to vote for him.

Hondo68  posted on  2017-12-28   19:53:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: hondo68 (#18)

The so called "tax cut" is a fraud. It will increase the National Debt and likely crash the economy. Your children and grandchildren will pay dearly for what little you get in the way of a tax break.

You should be on the VIEW... they propagate the same progressive liberal fear monger bullshit. You've swallowed too much OWS Commie Sanders man meat.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2017-12-28   20:14:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: GrandIsland, The View (#22)

the VIEW... they propagate the same progressive liberal fear monger bullshit

Why am I not surprised that it's your favorite show?

Hondo68  posted on  2017-12-28   20:18:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: hondo68 (#23) (Edited)

Your comment shows exactly whyyou're a little pussy liar.

We all know you told us dozens if not hundreds of times to support Gary Johnson. You said he as the ultimate. He was the shit.

So I asked you a simple straightforward question. But you're to much of a liberal to answer, you just throw out hour mumbo jumbo lie that stone is gonna vote for Johnson. I would leave you alone about this if you grew up and responded courteouslysly.

So answer the question who would be the better President Trump or Johnson?

I insist you answer because of what I said in an earlier question.

So answer it or get lost asshole because I'm done with you.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-12-28   20:57:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: A K A Stone, hondo68 (#24)

I insist you answer because of what I said in an earlier question.

You can't handle conflict, can you? Why can't you be civil with hondo68?

buckeroo  posted on  2017-12-28   21:31:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: A K A Stone, *Constitution Party* (#24)

who would be the better President Trump or Johnson?

I'm not choosing between those crappy specimens. I must refuse to choose between those two satanic candidates. It's like an election where the sheeple think that they have to choose between a D and an R.

Just NO to both, in the vast majority of cases!

I choose Darrell Castle.

Georgia Right to Life PAC Endorses Darrell Castle for President

Hondo68  posted on  2017-12-28   21:46:08 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: hondo68 (#26)

Then answer this. Were you a dumb ass when you told us to vote for Johnson?

Why did you tell us to do that and now you whine like the wuss liberal you are when aaTrump goes to the right of everything the candidate you repeatedly assured us was the answer and the one to vote for?

It comes down to I can't stand liars. Or people who can't admit when they are wtong. Then when called on it flat out lie about my position with stone is for johnson. If you can't do that get the fuck off the site.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-12-28   22:27:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: A K A Stone (#27)

Or people who can't admit when they are wtong [sic].

The world is only ... how many years old: 2000 years?

buckeroo  posted on  2017-12-28   22:33:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: buckeroo (#25)

Because I am tired of ass wipe liars who distort their position and mine. I don't care who thinks i'm an asshole. I don't care if everyone quits and there is no more libertysflame. If hondo doesn't get honest and answer the fucking question I'm going to ban him. Then I may delete every comment he every made.

I can handle disagreement but not contradictory liars.

I like you Buck and I used to like Hondo. Not so much hondo anymore. Becuause he is a liar.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-12-28   22:33:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: buckeroo (#28)

wtong [sic].

I was typing on touch screen tablet. It sucks.

I'm on regular keyboard now. So faster responses and accurate typing.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-12-28   22:34:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: A K A Stone (#30)

I was typing on touch screen tablet. It sucks.

That is your problem not mine.

buckeroo  posted on  2017-12-28   22:36:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: A K A Stone, hondo68 (#29)

You need to back off from hondo68 whether you like him as a poster or not. He brings challenges to the political forefront of discussion whether you like it or not, pal.

buckeroo  posted on  2017-12-28   22:40:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: A K A Stone (#27) (Edited)

I told you to vote for Darrell Castle. You're just flat out wrong.

Some of my Castle advocacy...

www.libertysflame.com/cgi...gi?ArtNum=48453&Disp=6#C6

Hondo68  posted on  2017-12-28   22:44:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: A K A Stone, hondo68 (#29)

I like you Buck and I used to like Hondo.

Cut it out, pal. I am the longest standing poster on LF besides you, Stone. You have to stop the games; this is your department, probably beyond scope of the channel.

buckeroo  posted on  2017-12-28   22:53:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: A K A Stone (#29)

If hondo doesn't get honest and answer the fucking question I'm going to ban him. Then I may delete every comment he every made.

I can handle disagreement but not contradictory liars.

I like you Buck and I used to like Hondo. Not so much hondo anymore. Becuause he is a liar.

Well, I see you’re still an idiot.

We used to be a land where we gave up our lives to protect our freedom. Now we give up our freedom to protect our lives.

We The People  posted on  2017-12-28   23:19:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: We The People (#35)

I forget your positions. You mist be a liberal.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-12-29   7:58:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: buckeroo (#32)

Ok.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-12-29   23:48:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: A K A Stone (#37)

You need not acquiesce any position to me. It is your forum and the posters make LF GREAT AGAIN. You just need some "nudging" to realize that fact, pal.

buckeroo  posted on  2017-12-30   0:05:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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