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Title: Trump Threatens to Cut Foreign Aid to Countries That Vote to Forbid the US from Recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's Capital
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URL Source: http://ace.mu.nu/archives/373028.php
Published: Dec 21, 2017
Author: Ace
Post Date: 2017-12-21 01:29:10 by Tooconservative
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Views: 3300
Comments: 59
The good sort of Trumpian: people don't like being played for chumps, and Trump gives voice to that. The US already vetoed this attempt in the Security Council, but now they're having a meaningless vote on it in the General Assembly: Nikki Haley is reinforcing Trump's threat. She bluntly echoed that call in a Twitter post: "The U.S. will be taking names." Meanwhile, the ninnies who cry that #TrumpIsKillingUsAll are, alas, still with us. Do you remember the three freak-outs recently in which the ninnies claimed Trump was "killing us"? I do. Here's Trump's MURDER SPREE in progress: Poster Comment: I'll wait to see if Trump carries through on his excellent threat: "Let them vote against us. We'll save a lot. We don't care..." "They take hundreds of millions of dollars and even billions of dollars, and then they vote against us. Well, we're watching those votes. Let them vote against us. We'll save a lot. We don't care," Trump told reporters at the White House. The 193-member U.N. General Assembly will hold a rare emergency special session on Thursday -- at the request of Arab and Muslim countries -- to vote on a draft resolution, which was vetoed by the United States on Monday in the 15-member U.N. Security Council. U.S. Ambassador Nikki Haley, in a letter to dozens of U.N. states on Tuesday seen by Reuters, warned that Trump had asked her to "report back on those countries who voted against us."
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#1. To: Tooconservative (#0)
I see that 20 European members of NATO voted against us. That should be an argument for our withdrawal, never mind how obsolete the alliance is for us anyway. Estonia voted against us, there seems to even less reason for the US to go to war over which flag flies over Narva. Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria
A few small islands support Trump of Jerusalem.
I will be greatly disappointed if he backs off on that !!! In fact, I say we cut off ALL funds to all of the UN. Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
I will be greatly disappointed if he backs off on that !!! In fact, I say we cut off ALL funds to all of the UN. Also cut off free trade agreements with the ones who voted to dictate our foreign policy to us. And stop picking up the tab for their defense, for example South Korea who joined the anti-American voting bloc. Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria
Agree completely !! Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
The United States will remember this day in which it was singled out for attack in the General Assembly for the very act of exercising our right as a sovereign nation. "We will remember it when we are called upon to once again make the world's largest contribution to the United Nations. And we will remember it when so many countries come calling on us, as they so often do, to pay even more and to use our influence for their benefit. Nikki Haley Remember how we saved Kuwait in 1991, and how they arrogantly treated us with such contempt today? Remember how Monica Lewinsky's paramour served Albania in 1999, and how they arrogantly treated us with such contempt today? Remember how we helped Britain when the Falklands were invaded in 1982, and how they arrogantly treated us with such contempt today? Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria
I am all infavor of cutting off funding to all of those two bit shit hole countries, and all of the UN in general ! I believe U.S. Ambassador Nikki Haley should take the floor, and make the following statements. " The US is a soverign nation ! We will put our embassy in Israel where ever we damn well please ! You that vote against the US, will not get another dime, or any thing else from the US ! Oh, and here is a message from the US taxpayers " FUCK YOU !!, now get the hell out of our nation, NOW, and don't come back !!! " Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
I have to admit, you're singing one of my favorite tunes.
Me too. People are predicting he won't actually do some mass cutoff. But he might single some of these countries out and chop some aid just to show them that he isn't afraid to. They called his bluff so now he is obliged to show them that there really will be consequences. This is Trump's version of the "red line" that 0bama laid down in front of Assad over alleged gas attacks. Once you draw the line in the sand, you look toothless if you don't carry out your threats. I don't see Trump cutting off all aid to all the countries voting us down at the U.N. but he can't afford to look weak like 0bama did. A dream of mine since the Xlinton reign of terror.
Nikki is pretty fiery but not actually on fire. I saw even Jake Tapper, declared enemy of Trump, considered some of these countries making speeches and voting against us (Yemen, Syria, North Korea, Iran, etc.) were making ridiculous spectacles of themselves in public. If even Tapper won't use a story to try to make Trump look bad, then it must really reek of lies and hypocrisy. Which is what that vote really was. You should never watch Tapper at all. Except for this one single clip. The U.N. totally beclowned itself for Tapper to turn on them rather than try to take gratuitous shots at Trump, his professional specialty.
One thing that could be done is to downgrade our embassies in some of the smaller nations to legations, which were common up until the postwar period. In our hemisphere nations like Ecuador, Bolivia and Nicaragua could be downgraded to legations. In Europe nations like Estonia, Lithuania, Albania and Montenegro. Worldwide we could downgrade scores of embassies. Upgrading all of the legations was like an international version of "everyone deserves a medal day." We really do hold the aces, it has been disgusting to see how poorly we've played a winning hand for decades. One thing I've been wondering is if any of these nations have had conversations with opposition politicians such as Hillary and McCain, and been reassured that any consequences will be opposed by them. The left has been mighty quick to accuse Trump of collusion with foreign powers, it may be a case of accusing him of whet they've actually been doing? They do have a history after all. If the deep state intelligence agencies have the evidence they will sit on it, but they've demonstrated rank incompetence when it comes to ISM; so there may a Snowden lurking out there. It will not surprise me. Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria
That would be pretty cool. "Criticize where we put our Israeli embassy and we'll just get rid of the embassy we have in your country." Not bad. Of course, we did spend millions on each of these embassies, even the ones in crapfest nobody countries in Africa. So the embassy land would no longer be considered sovereign American territory and then our embassy would be a building located on land owned by that country.
I thought a bit more and realized we could do things less than closing the embassies. We could pull all the staff that accept applications for student and tourist visas for instance. No more kids from those countries coming to America for college, even if they have a full scholarship. And no more family reunification chain migration deals either. If they can't receive any entry paperwork from the local embassy, they won't be able to chain migrate. I bet there are plenty of other ways to make them pay for their insouciance short of just closing the embassies.
I think in most cases a legation would be an embassy with less staff; giving up the capacity to issues visas to citizens of the host nation. So someone from Bolivia desiring to visit the US would need to travel to Paraguay or Argentina. A lot of middle east nations would need to visit our embassy in Jerusalem to obtain a visit, which would serve as a de facto travel ban. Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria
I read that a lot of them currently have to travel to get a visa in Dubai or Qatar. So not every country in the region seems to be set up for this stuff. It was just an example of the kinds of things we could do short of closing embassies or downgrading them. We do like those embassies because they are handy fronts for CIA and intel operations. As long as they are an embassy and sovereign U.S. territory, it provides a lot of protection against unruly mobs, a government turning hostile, etc. The international community uniformly condemns any violation of embassies or the government letting unruly crowds riot around them or damage them, etc. Cuba attacked our embassy staff with some sonic weapon a few months back. If you want to close an embassy punitively, that would be a great start. It should be done regardless of their vote on our Jerusalem embassy.
Thinking through the entire DIME (Diplomacy, Intelligence, Military and Intelligence) we have a smorgasbord of options by which to express our displeasure. For example: Japan, their dispute with China over the rocks becomes a matter of disinterest to the United States. South Korea, terminate the free trade agreement, and work towards a rapprochement with the North tailored towards serving our own national interest unclouded by any sentiment loyalty to South Korea. Malaysia, Indonesia and Vietnam, their dispute with China regarding the South China Sea becomes a matter of disinterest to the United States. The important thing is to strike a hard blow at the onset. In some of these nations there will be political fallout for having suffered the consequences of earning America's wrath over something which did not even involve them. I very strongly suspect that these nations received assurances from our disloyal opposition that it would be OK to do so. The political turmoil in these nations would run a great chance of exposing any such collusion. It is hard to believe a nation like South Korea which is so dependent upon the goodwill of America would have taken such a rash action without assurances. And besides, "every once in a while the lion has to show the jackals who he is." Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria
I think we have a ton of options, many of them not obvious but which would make our point, especially with our allies like SKorea and Japan who have no dog in the Pali/Israeli fight. It's very annoying for them in particular to vote against us as they have so little direct interest in accommodating Muslims. We do have a lot of interests in a lot of countries so what we need is a foreign policy leader who can formulate and carry out those reprisals without cutting our own throats. I doubt that Tillerson is the guy for the job, not sure who would be.
Your are missing the point. The issue is whether Jerusalem became part of Israel or whether annexation of an occupied territory is legal. Certainly a sovereign nation can place its embassy anywhere in India or Pakistan (at the invitation of the host country) but not in the contested Kashmir. Do you understand?
The countries that voted with USA and Israel: Guatemala, Honduras, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, Palau and Togo There are awfully many of them. Are you sure, striking them is a smart idea? BTW, the fallout might go the opposite way.
You weren't paying attention to Haley. Her warning was issued to those who voted against us and our right to site our embassies where we choose. She never demanded that they all vote no or face consequences. She demanded that they would not vote yes. About 15 didn't even show up for the vote. Among them, Ukraine. You think they would have gotten the green light for light weapons export from the U.S. yesterday if they had voted against us? No way. There are signs that quite a number of countries were intimidated to some degree. I noticed that Haley already threw a big party at her penthouse. Only the No votes were invited. So they all enjoyed some alone time with Nikki Haley and the Israeli ambassador.
There are signs that quite a number of countries were intimidated to some degree. Are you saying, Nikki Haley gained more neutrality through intimidation from countries like Ukraine or Haiti? That without threats they would vote against US? Two other questions. Why this tendency to vote as most of the countries did? Why among 128 voting against US were Britain, France, Germany and Japan, South and North Korea together, Afghanistan, Iraq, Albania, India, Pakistan and Bangladesh together, Ireland and Italy, Netherlands, New Zealand, and Norway, Sweden, Switzerland and Ethiopia?
Because the United Nations should more accurately be described as the "United Nations Against Israel". About 90% of their work product as an organization is antisemitic.
She never demanded that they all vote no or face consequences. She demanded that they would not vote yes. Very good point, she did not say "you are with us, or you are against us" as Jorge Arbusto once did. Most nations really have no dog in this fight, and abstention was perfectly acceptable. To be honest with you, I would not have moved the embassy myself; but it is a matter which concerns the United States. Estonia. Albania, Japan and South Korea have no dog in the fight, but they had to go on record as being against the United States. The real opportunity here is to "save big." The once who voted against us include a number of nation mooching off of us, living under our defense umbrella, running massive trade surpluses at our expense and enjoying trade lanes kept open courtesy of the US Navy. Liberia make good money as a flag of convenience, but you will not find the Liberian Navy patrolling the Gulf of Aden. Also, they way things will most likely play out is that our existing consulate will become the embassy. It is located on territory that was Israel before the Six Day War. Perhaps we could remove our embassy from Seoul since North Korea claims the entire peninsula, going off the same logic that South Korea supported by its vote? Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria
Guatemala, Honduras, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, Palau and Togo Being intimidated into not voting or formally abstaining, is NOT support by any stretch of the imagination. Aren't those non serious places of fun vacations for Americans?
Does it mean that if I am against expanding of Jewish settlements in the occupied areas, against annexation of East Jerusalem, and I am for the equal treatment of Israeli Jews and Palestinians, then I am antisemitic?
Yes you're antisemitic. Because you want Muslim scum to occupy the Jewish lands. You also vote to murder children. So you're kind of consistently on the evil side. You should reflect on those dark spots of your soul repent and change course.
Biblical Jewish and Samaritan lands: You also vote to murder children. So you're kind of consistently on the evil side. "At least 134 Israeli children and 2167 Palestinian children have been killed since September 29, 2000" I am against killing children on any side.
I'm against killing American kids. You have voted for millions and millions of their deaths. So don't give some phony bullshit about you care about those foreign kids. If you have a chalice disregard for children of your own country then I don't believe you for a second. Secondly it is tragic when children die because of the adults. At the same time you cannot expect the Jews to let Muslim pedophile worshippers to launch missiles into Israel and do nothing about it. If they did it your way there would be lots of dead Jews and no dead Paris. Jews are civilized. Muslims are evil and send their kids as suicide bombers. They also teach their kids to worship a murdering pedophile ensuring most will grow up to be pieces of trash like their parents.
Very good of you. How many American kids were killed there? What about killing Palestinian or Iraqi kids? Like Samson in the Philistine temple?
Nothing like Samson idiot.
I don't think Samson was an idiot.
You know I called you the idiot. I called you one because you think children blowing up innocent people is a ok.
Don't be too sure that the home governments of the U.N. delegations even care or back up what their UN delegates vote on. Spectator.org: Dredging Turtle Bay, Another Swamp Just Begging to Be Drained The UN is, naturally, a hotbed of espionage. Jose told me about a fun exercise he engaged in with his Soviet counterpart. They both went to their intelligence contacts — the CIA and KGB — and asked how many of the UN representatives were instructed how to vote by their governments. When Jose and the Soviet met for a lunch a few weeks later, they compared notes. The CIA found that only thirty of the then 159 delegates were getting instructions from their governments. The KGB found the same and added that only two actually read the instructions (and one of those two underlined). I may post that article later. I'm always up for an anti-UN article from most any source.
I saw a little interview with one of those old diplo hacks a few days ago. It was Negroponte, I think. He said that all those tiny island nations like Micronesia and a few in Central America have voted with us pretty reflexively for decades. He had a kinda funny grin when he said that. Apparently, their populations are pro-America and they don't want to vote against us. Of course, the CIA does have a lot of black budget money to throw around and its profits from its historical Golden Triangle-type enterprises. So who knows whether palms are being greased... Anyway, the U.N. is mostly a clown parade to begin with and the General Assembly means nothing. Only that smoke-filled room in the Security Council matters and only then for those with veto powers. There's no reason to admire such a fundamentally corrupt organization where multiple authoritarian governments wield veto power (Russia, China) to dominate international politics.
I do not think so. But you think that grownups killing innocent children is not only OK but is a moral duty. So you gloat and cackle, when hundreds of thousands of innocent children, like in Iraq, die. Are you a clone of Madeleine Albright? Or maybe of Condoleezza Rice?
I was against the Iraq war from start to finish. You vote for the law to be mothers you can murder your baby from start to finish.
Me? Where did you get this idea?
My take is you are a democrat who voted for Hillary, Obama, Kerry, BJ, Dukakis, Mondale, Carter.
A-hole is as snowflake as Meguro. Full fledged bleeding heart socialist. I loath them as much as I do faggots. Weakness, is weakness.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Wrong "take". First my views evolved, so while I supported Reagan and Bush, today I would rather support Carter and Dukakis. But the candidates, I really like, were Perot, Buchanan, Ron Paul and Sanders.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestI'll wait to see if Trump carries through on his excellent threat: "Let them vote against us. We'll save a lot. We don't care..."
#2. To: Tooconservative, Trump the uniter (#0)
#3. To: Tooconservative (#0)
" I'll wait to see if Trump carries through on his excellent threat: "Let them vote against us. We'll save a lot. We don't care..."
#4. To: Stoner (#3)
" I'll wait to see if Trump carries through on his excellent threat: "Let them vote against us. We'll save a lot. We don't care..."
#5. To: nativist nationalist (#4)
" Also cut off free trade agreements with the ones who voted to dictate our foreign policy to us. And stop picking up the tab for their defense, for example South Korea who joined the anti-American voting bloc. "
#6. To: Stoner (#5)
#7. To: Tooconservative (#0)
" Trump Threatens to Cut Foreign Aid to Countries That Vote to Forbid the US from Recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's Capital "
#8. To: nativist nationalist (#1)
I see that 20 European members of NATO voted against us. That should be an argument for our withdrawal, never mind how obsolete the alliance is for us anyway. Estonia voted against us, there seems to even less reason for the US to go to war over which flag flies over Narva.
#9. To: Stoner (#3)
I will be greatly disappointed if he backs off on that !!!
In fact, I say we cut off ALL funds to all of the UN.
#10. To: Stoner (#7)
Oh, and here is a message from the US taxpayers " FUCK YOU !!, now get the hell out of our nation, NOW, and don't come back !!! "
#11. To: Tooconservative (#9)
Me too. People are predicting he won't actually do some mass cutoff. But he might single some of these countries out and chop some aid just to show them that he isn't afraid to. They called his bluff so now he is obliged to show them that there really will be consequences.
#12. To: nativist nationalist (#11)
Worldwide we could downgrade scores of embassies. Upgrading all of the legations was like an international version of "everyone deserves a medal day." We really do hold the aces, it has been disgusting to see how poorly we've played a winning hand for decades.
#13. To: nativist nationalist (#11)
#14. To: Tooconservative (#13)
I bet there are plenty of other ways to make them pay for their insouciance short of just closing the embassies.
#15. To: nativist nationalist (#14)
A lot of middle east nations would need to visit our embassy in Jerusalem to obtain a visit, which would serve as a de facto travel ban.
#16. To: Tooconservative (#15)
#17. To: nativist nationalist (#16)
#18. To: Stoner (#7)
The US is a soverign nation ! We will put our embassy in Israel where ever we damn well please
#19. To: Tooconservative (#0)
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I'll wait to see if Trump carries through on his excellent threat: "Let them vote against us. We'll save a lot. We don't care..."
The important thing is to strike a hard blow at the onset. In some of these nations there will be political fallout for having suffered the consequences of earning America's wrath over something which did not even involve them.
#20. To: A Pole (#19)
(Edited)
The countries that voted with USA and Israel: blah-blah-blah
#21. To: Tooconservative (#20)
(Edited)
About 15 didn't even show up for the vote. Among them, Ukraine. You think they would have gotten the green light for light weapons export from the U.S. yesterday if they had voted against us? No way.
#22. To: A Pole (#21)
Why this tendency to vote as most of the countries did?
#23. To: Tooconservative (#20)
Her warning was issued to those who voted against us and our right to site our embassies where we choose.
#24. To: A Pole, Tooconservative, *Neo-Lib Chickenhawk Wars* (#19)
#25. To: hondo68, A Pole, Tooconservative (#24)
Guatemala, Honduras, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, Palau and Togo
#26. To: Tooconservative (#22)
About 90% of their work product as an organization is antisemitic.
#27. To: A Pole (#26)
#28. To: A K A Stone (#27)
Yes you're antisemitic. Because you want Muslim scum to occupy the Jewish lands.
#29. To: A Pole (#28)
#30. To: A K A Stone (#29)
I'm against killing American kids.
Jews are civilized. Muslims are evil and send their kids as suicide bombers.
#31. To: A Pole (#30)
#32. To: A K A Stone (#31)
Nothing like Samson idiot.
#33. To: A Pole (#32)
#34. To: nativist nationalist (#23)
And it’s no wonder that so many nations’ representatives vote against us regularly. I interviewed my friend Amb. Jose Sorzano in preparing to write Inside the Asylum. Jose was the deputy to our greatest UN Ambassador, Jeane Kirkpatrick, during the Reagan years.
#35. To: buckeroo (#25)
Aren't those non serious places of fun vacations for Americans?
#36. To: A K A Stone (#33)
I called you one because you think children blowing up innocent people is a ok.
#37. To: A Pole (#36)
#38. To: A K A Stone (#37)
(Edited)
You vote for the law to be mothers you can murder your baby from start to finish.
#39. To: A Pole (#38)
#40. To: A K A Stone (#39)
#41. To: A K A Stone (#39)
My take is you are a democrat who voted for Hillary, Obama, Kerry, BJ, Dukakis, Mondale, Carter.
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