As I watched the vid, I assumed the officer screaming out all the orders to Shaver was Brailsford himself. It turns out that was a different cop.
Shaver was obviously terrified of the police and the encounter, and did the best he was capable of to comply with all orders. The order to "crawl" was confusing, as the police meant that to mean shuffling forward on one's knees while having hands raised in the air, while the traditional meaning of that term means being on one's hands AND knees. Shaver dropped to his hands upon hearing the order to "crawl", which happened just before he was killed.
In a civilian context, it wouldn't be just Brailsford put on trial for murder, but both Brailsford and the officer who issued all the horrible screamed shouts and threats of death against Shaver. Both would have been put on trial. But because these were police, only Brailsford was put on trial. But Brailsford is not responsible for escalating and intimidating Shaver to the point where he could hardly think & comply. He was only responsible for pulling the trigger when he lost sight of Shaver's hand. I do believe if it was Brailsford who was screaming all the orders in addition to shooting, he would have gotten at best a hung jury, and very possibly a conviction.
In this case, two cops contributed to the killing of Shaver, but only one was put on trial, which was the fatal flaw in gaining a conviction. Shaver was obviously in complete terror of these police, because of how the police behaved, and yet they got a free pass on that point.
It is outrageous that civilians are expected to be as well trained about how to behave around cops as cops are trained to treat every person in every situation as a potential cop killer. Shaver was not trained about how to behave around the police, and because of that, he is now dead and the police are not criminally accountable.
While there was no criminal conviction, I do expect a wrongful death suit to follow for the reasons stated, and that the police (actually taxpayers) will pay out handsomely for this needless killing.
If there is a lesson from this, anyone in a similar situation should simply stay flat on the floor, spread eagle, and refuse to move even when ordered to do so. Do not rise to your knees, cross your ankles or comply with any order to move that could potentially give any cop with a gun any reason to fear for his life, because you know that you may not understand any order given, no matter how simple the order may be ("crawl" being the operative example in Shaver's case). Staying spread eagle face down without moving would do that. The only reason the cops wanted this guy to move toward them is because they suspected a shooter may be in the hotel room, and they didn't want to approach that room with him in the way. But that problem is THEIR problem, not your problem, especially when you know for a fact that they are in no danger whatsoever. YOUR problem is to keep them from shooting you, and you do that by staying down, staying spread eagle and refusing to move at all even when ordered to do so.
Why would the man be on his knees begging for his life if his intention was to shoot a cop?
That Shaver was obviously terrified and crying apparently didn't factor sufficiently into the jury's consideration of how much of a threat he was perceived to be.
Because cops are permitted, and trained, to be extremely paranoid.
The "police officer" had a gun the words "you're fucked" printed across it. Someone can post it. They didn't show that to the jury.
I saw it. That was publicized some time ago, but the judge denied it to the jury. Obviously that might have also swayed the jury as to his malice. Judge said it was "too prejudicial". Well duh!!! All evidence is prejudicial by definition. Any evidence that isn't prejudicial isn't relevant to the case.
Lessons can be and need to be harsh, at times. I won't comment on whether this should be one of them, but socially, this case is a disaster for police PR. It's this kind of crap that opens people's eyes not only to the threat that police can be to the general population, but also to the injustice that follows such killings. It creates mistrust of police, or affirms it in the case of people who already mistrust them.
It's why people don't trust government. It's what got Trump elected. It's helping make bitcoin popular. It's brought to light the laughingstock that is the major media. It fuels the growing attitude that government is not your friend and cannot be trusted.
I That guy needs punishment of the most severe kind. In a sane country, a fellow cop would take him out, for beers.
THIS IS A TAG LINE...Exercising rights is only radical to two people, Tyrants and Slaves. Which are YOU? Our ignorance has driven us into slavery and we do not recognize it.
Why were the cops at this hotel? Why at this hotel room? Why these people? Was there evidence of a sniper from a window? Why would cops show up with automatic rifles suited for combat, if this was a big nothingburger?
THIS IS A TAG LINE...Exercising rights is only radical to two people, Tyrants and Slaves. Which are YOU? Our ignorance has driven us into slavery and we do not recognize it.
Why were the cops at this hotel? Why at this hotel room? Why these people? Was there evidence of a sniper from a window?
Shaver was into pest control, and had an air rifle as part of his working toolbox. He was staying at the hotel after work with a couple friends, having a drink, and at one point apparently showed the rifle to his friends. As part of the show and tell, he pointed the rifle out the window. Or someone did.
Some people outside in the pool area saw that and called police. So police were responding as though there was a sniper in the hotel. There is a reasonable chance that Shaver had no idea why the police were there, never having any clue that pointing the air rifle out the window caused such a ruckus (whether that was him or one of his friends).
That this trial took place after the Vegas shooting certainly played into the cop's favor.
The police “ordered Shaver out of his room and to lie face-down in a hallway and refrain from making sudden movements — or risk being shot.”
Why would the man be on his knees begging for his life if his intention was to shoot a cop?
That is a loaded question biased with the intent to influence opinion since the question did not include ALL of the actions by the man before the shooting. A more correctly worded question would be:
Why would the man on his knees begging for his life make a sudden movement to reach for his waistband when he had been warned not to do so at the risk of being shot?
Your statement below is probably true in most part:
Shaver was obviously terrified of the police and the encounter, and did the best he was capable of to comply with all orders.
It was reported or testified to that:
[The police] ordered Shaver out of his room and to lie face-down in a hallway and refrain from making sudden movements — or risk being shot.
You pointed out that:
Shaver dropped to his hands upon hearing the order to "crawl", which happened just before he was killed.
I believe your statement is incomplete and missing an important aspect.
I think it should be pointed out that:
Shaver dropped to his hands upon hearing the order to "crawl", which happened just before [he made a “sudden” movement with his hand towards his waistband and] he was killed.
No one in any post that I can see mentions that Shaver made a “sudden movement” with his hand towards his waistband and then he was shot and killed.
It has been reportedthis “bodycam footage taken at a Mesa hotel on the night of Jan. 18, 2016, was the heart of the prosecution’s case.”
And yet the Jurors who watched the full video showing Daniel Shaver's death agreed Thursday to acquit former Mesa officer Philip Mitchell Brailsford of murder.
You however have chosen to label this video as the Execution of Daniel Shaver.
I respectfully ask: What did you possibly see in the few minutes you looked at the video that the jury did not see as they “repeatedly” watched the video during the six-week trial?
It is outrageous that civilians are expected to be as well trained about how to behave around cops as cops are trained to treat every person in every situation as a potential cop killer. Shaver was not trained about how to behave around the police, and because of that, he is now dead and the police are not criminally accountable.
Woah, Clyde. [Clyde was the name given to a cantankerous old mule we had back on the farm].
I was with you until I got to the last words in your statement….those being, ”criminally accountable”
Philip Mitchell Brailsford was charged and tried under the Arizona revised Statutes Title 12 Criminal Code [I believe that is the correct Code] and a jury acquitted him after a six-week trial.
So, are you saying Brailsford was not held criminally accountable for his action?
It is outrageous that civilians are expected to be as well trained about how to behave around cops as cops are trained to treat every person in every situation as a potential cop killer. Shaver was not trained about how to behave around the police, and because of that …
In this case, training didn’t need to be how to behave around cops…..training needed to have been on how to act intelligently and rationally so that cops never would have been called.
Somewhere along his life span, Shaver needed to have been trained that it’s a BAD idea to point a rifle out the window of a motel room with people in a swimming pool below.
But then sometimes even training doesn’t work, because:
… he is now dead and the police are not criminally accountable.
He is now dead because he acted stupidly and “suddenly moved” his hand towards his waistband after being instructed not to do so….the police were not found to be criminally accountable and therefore acquitted.
It has been reported this “bodycam footage taken at a Mesa hotel on the night of Jan. 18, 2016, was the heart of the prosecution’s case.”
A jury acquitted this officer... and that's how our criminal justice system works. It's how our founding fathers set the system up.
Also, the judge and JURY were exposed to actual witnesses and evidence... not just a yella biased article to read to decide guilt. I always love the LF shithouse courtroom... where due process is attacked if that due process doesn't help your AGENDA.
How the SHEEP of LF, are TRIGGERED with ease. Just like America's millennial college snowflakes. lol
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
If there is a lesson from this, anyone in a similar situation should simply stay flat on the floor, spread eagle, and refuse to move even when ordered to do so. Do not rise to your knees, cross your ankles or comply with any order to move that could potentially give any cop with a gun any reason to fear for his life, because you know that you may not understand any order given, no matter how simple the order may be ("crawl" being the operative example in Shaver's case). Staying spread eagle face down without moving would do that. The only reason the cops wanted this guy to move toward them is because they suspected a shooter may be in the hotel room, and they didn't want to approach that room with him in the way. But that problem is THEIR problem, not your problem, especially when you know for a fact that they are in no danger whatsoever. YOUR problem is to keep them from shooting you, and you do that by staying down, staying spread eagle and refusing to move at all even when ordered to do so.
If there is a lesson from this, it is do not point a rifle out the window of a motel room with people below in a swimming pool….and above all, do NOT make a “sudden movement” with your hand towards your waistband while the police are giving you instructions.
Because cops are permitted, and trained, to be extremely paranoid.
Can you provide studies to document this….or is it just your asinine personal biased opinion?
However, as A Practical Police Problem….the police are being trained to recognize and handle paranoia and paranoid personalities with citizens in the public as the police are more often confronted with individuals exhibiting more or less the behavior reactions that are evidently the stigmata of paranoia
Because cops are permitted, and trained, to be extremely paranoid. Can you provide studies to document this….or is it just your asinine personal biased opinion?
They are also trained to lie.
There were 5 officers there. Four didn't fire their weapon. They weren't stupid clowns. Piggy who murdered the man begging for his life should have received the death penalty. That would be just. What happened in the courtroom was wrong. If you cannot see that you need a bigger magnifying glass or you are stupid.
You assumed he was pointing gun out window. Can you show me a picture. No you cannot.
When I watched the video it brought tears to my eye for the man brutally gunned down. I've showed it to wife, kids, kids friend's. 100 percent agree cop was wrong. I suspect someone will murder that cop someday.
I'd love to see misterwhite try to comply with the Simon says commands or be shot.
crawl krôl/Submit verb 1. (of a person) move forward on the hands and knees or by dragging the body close to the ground. "they crawled out from under the table" synonyms: creep, worm one's way, go on all fours, go on hands and knees, wriggle, slither, squirm, scrabble "they crawled under the table"
The former officer is a murderer. That’s your personal opinion, which of course you are entitled to.
No it is a fact that I witnessed. The so called judge should be put on death row for jury tampering by withholding key evidence. The "you're fucked" logo on his gun. It showed the piece of shits mindset.
When I watched the video it brought tears to my eye for the man brutally gunned down.
I am sure you were saddened by this tragic event. We all are , or everyone definitely should be.
I've showed it to wife, kids, kids friend's. 100 percent agree cop was wrong
So you found people who agree with you….and you all are entitled to your emotions.
But neither you nor your “wife, kids and kids friend's” sat in a courtroom for six- weeks listening to all the testimony and watching the video a number of times.
So, do you really feel that judging someone only from emotion is the correct way to go?
I suspect someone will murder that cop someday.
Maybe, but I can’t believe this is something you want to happen.
So, do you really feel that judging someone only from emotion is the correct way to go?
The wrongness brought out the emotion. Yes there is enough evidence in the video to put down the cop. Jury selection needs to be looked at, because those jurors were obviously not qualified.
Sitting in the courtroom with the judge withholding key evidence. Means nothing. They just had good deceiver on the prosecution side. Our system isn't even close to perfect. Justice would be the former cop on death row awaiting execution.
Come on, now, at least be fair….you cannot say it is a lie and he didn’t "believe" that.
It maybe you opinion….but it is only your opinion.
All his crawling etc would have exposed a gun. They made him play a life or death game of Simon says. He was on ground cooperating and that asshole just gunned him down because he wanted to "fuck" him like his gun said.
