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Title: Execution of Daniel Shaver
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URL Source: http://www.exposinggovernment.com/2 ... er-in-shooting-of-unarmed-man/
Published: Dec 10, 2017
Author: GeragosTube
Post Date: 2017-12-10 17:44:24 by A K A Stone
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Philip "Mitch" Brailsford found not guilty.
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I remember when this happened. Shaver was kneeling, crying and begging not to be shot after he was confronted by six Mesa police officers in a La Quinta Inn & Suites hallway Jan. 18, 2016. Brailsford, who was fired two months after the shooting, testified that he fired his AR-15 rifle five times because it appeared Shaver was reaching for a gun. It looks like the cop made up the part about Shaver having a gun. Why would the man be on his knees begging for his life if his intention was to shoot a cop? Just another 'roided up murderer with a magic blue costume and an assault rifle to take down drunks. America's "heroes". Maybe MS-13 will get lucky and inadvertently administer justice.
As I watched the vid, I assumed the officer screaming out all the orders to Shaver was Brailsford himself. It turns out that was a different cop. Shaver was obviously terrified of the police and the encounter, and did the best he was capable of to comply with all orders. The order to "crawl" was confusing, as the police meant that to mean shuffling forward on one's knees while having hands raised in the air, while the traditional meaning of that term means being on one's hands AND knees. Shaver dropped to his hands upon hearing the order to "crawl", which happened just before he was killed. In a civilian context, it wouldn't be just Brailsford put on trial for murder, but both Brailsford and the officer who issued all the horrible screamed shouts and threats of death against Shaver. Both would have been put on trial. But because these were police, only Brailsford was put on trial. But Brailsford is not responsible for escalating and intimidating Shaver to the point where he could hardly think & comply. He was only responsible for pulling the trigger when he lost sight of Shaver's hand. I do believe if it was Brailsford who was screaming all the orders in addition to shooting, he would have gotten at best a hung jury, and very possibly a conviction. In this case, two cops contributed to the killing of Shaver, but only one was put on trial, which was the fatal flaw in gaining a conviction. Shaver was obviously in complete terror of these police, because of how the police behaved, and yet they got a free pass on that point. It is outrageous that civilians are expected to be as well trained about how to behave around cops as cops are trained to treat every person in every situation as a potential cop killer. Shaver was not trained about how to behave around the police, and because of that, he is now dead and the police are not criminally accountable. While there was no criminal conviction, I do expect a wrongful death suit to follow for the reasons stated, and that the police (actually taxpayers) will pay out handsomely for this needless killing. If there is a lesson from this, anyone in a similar situation should simply stay flat on the floor, spread eagle, and refuse to move even when ordered to do so. Do not rise to your knees, cross your ankles or comply with any order to move that could potentially give any cop with a gun any reason to fear for his life, because you know that you may not understand any order given, no matter how simple the order may be ("crawl" being the operative example in Shaver's case). Staying spread eagle face down without moving would do that. The only reason the cops wanted this guy to move toward them is because they suspected a shooter may be in the hotel room, and they didn't want to approach that room with him in the way. But that problem is THEIR problem, not your problem, especially when you know for a fact that they are in no danger whatsoever. YOUR problem is to keep them from shooting you, and you do that by staying down, staying spread eagle and refusing to move at all even when ordered to do so.
That Shaver was obviously terrified and crying apparently didn't factor sufficiently into the jury's consideration of how much of a threat he was perceived to be. Because cops are permitted, and trained, to be extremely paranoid.
The "police officer" had a gun the words "you're fucked" printed across it. Someone can post it. They didn't show that to the jury.
Premeditated murder. He had the plan ready to go. The officer needs to be executed.
I saw it. That was publicized some time ago, but the judge denied it to the jury. Obviously that might have also swayed the jury as to his malice. Judge said it was "too prejudicial". Well duh!!! All evidence is prejudicial by definition. Any evidence that isn't prejudicial isn't relevant to the case.
Lessons can be and need to be harsh, at times. I won't comment on whether this should be one of them, but socially, this case is a disaster for police PR. It's this kind of crap that opens people's eyes not only to the threat that police can be to the general population, but also to the injustice that follows such killings. It creates mistrust of police, or affirms it in the case of people who already mistrust them. It's why people don't trust government. It's what got Trump elected. It's helping make bitcoin popular. It's brought to light the laughingstock that is the major media. It fuels the growing attitude that government is not your friend and cannot be trusted.
I That guy needs punishment of the most severe kind. In a sane country, a fellow cop would take him out, for beers.
THIS IS A TAG LINE...Exercising rights is only radical to two people, Tyrants and Slaves. Which are YOU? Our ignorance has driven us into slavery and we do not recognize it.
Why were the cops at this hotel? Why at this hotel room? Why these people? Was there evidence of a sniper from a window? Why would cops show up with automatic rifles suited for combat, if this was a big nothingburger?
THIS IS A TAG LINE...Exercising rights is only radical to two people, Tyrants and Slaves. Which are YOU? Our ignorance has driven us into slavery and we do not recognize it.
Shaver was into pest control, and had an air rifle as part of his working toolbox. He was staying at the hotel after work with a couple friends, having a drink, and at one point apparently showed the rifle to his friends. As part of the show and tell, he pointed the rifle out the window. Or someone did. Some people outside in the pool area saw that and called police. So police were responding as though there was a sniper in the hotel. There is a reasonable chance that Shaver had no idea why the police were there, never having any clue that pointing the air rifle out the window caused such a ruckus (whether that was him or one of his friends). That this trial took place after the Vegas shooting certainly played into the cop's favor.
lol... I'd say so. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
It looks like “anything being made up” is being done by you. Since, the court testimony was that “it appeared Shaver was reaching for a gun.” There is no court record anyone testified “about Shaver having a gun.” Am I correct? Of course….as always.
The police “ordered Shaver out of his room and to lie face-down in a hallway and refrain from making sudden movements — or risk being shot.”
Your statement below is probably true in most part: I think it should be pointed out that: Why the omission …
It has been reported this “bodycam footage taken at a Mesa hotel on the night of Jan. 18, 2016, was the heart of the prosecution’s case.” And yet the Jurors who watched the full video showing Daniel Shaver's death agreed Thursday to acquit former Mesa officer Philip Mitchell Brailsford of murder. You however have chosen to label this video as the Execution of Daniel Shaver. I respectfully ask: What did you possibly see in the few minutes you looked at the video that the jury did not see as they “repeatedly” watched the video during the six-week trial? A polite question….merely interested in learning.
Woah, Clyde. [Clyde was the name given to a cantankerous old mule we had back on the farm]. I was with you until I got to the last words in your statement….those being, ”criminally accountable” Philip Mitchell Brailsford was charged and tried under the Arizona revised Statutes Title 12 Criminal Code [I believe that is the correct Code] and a jury acquitted him after a six-week trial. So, are you saying Brailsford was not held criminally accountable for his action? If so….why not?
Somewhere along his life span, Shaver needed to have been trained that it’s a BAD idea to point a rifle out the window of a motel room with people in a swimming pool below. But then sometimes even training doesn’t work, because:
A jury acquitted this officer... and that's how our criminal justice system works. It's how our founding fathers set the system up. Also, the judge and JURY were exposed to actual witnesses and evidence... not just a yella biased article to read to decide guilt. I always love the LF shithouse courtroom... where due process is attacked if that due process doesn't help your AGENDA. How the SHEEP of LF, are TRIGGERED with ease. Just like America's millennial college snowflakes. lol I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
If there is a lesson from this, it is do not point a rifle out the window of a motel room with people below in a swimming pool….and above all, do NOT make a “sudden movement” with your hand towards your waistband while the police are giving you instructions. There …
Yep … Yep …
The former officer is a murderer. He can't erase his actions. He will have to repent to god or go to Hell. I wonder if the corrupt government profiled people's Facebook pages to get a cop sucking jury. It may be our system and piggy got away, and we have to accept that. If his parents or family went and killed former piggy it would be justified.
Your making a lot of ASSumptions Gatlin.
You are correct. The poor innocent man who co minted no crime was murdered military style. I hope piggy meets justice.
Can you provide studies to document this….or is it just your asinine personal biased opinion? However, as A Practical Police Problem….the police are being trained to recognize and handle paranoia and paranoid personalities with citizens in the public as the police are more often confronted with individuals exhibiting more or less the behavior reactions that are evidently the stigmata of paranoia
You will need to show where I have made ONE assumption and why it was an assumption. Can you do that?
They are also trained to lie. There were 5 officers there. Four didn't fire their weapon. They weren't stupid clowns. Piggy who murdered the man begging for his life should have received the death penalty. That would be just. What happened in the courtroom was wrong. If you cannot see that you need a bigger magnifying glass or you are stupid.
You assumed he was pointing gun out window. Can you show me a picture. No you cannot. When I watched the video it brought tears to my eye for the man brutally gunned down. I've showed it to wife, kids, kids friend's. 100 percent agree cop was wrong. I suspect someone will murder that cop someday. I'd love to see misterwhite try to comply with the Simon says commands or be shot.
crawl krôl/Submit verb 1. (of a person) move forward on the hands and knees or by dragging the body close to the ground. "they crawled out from under the table" synonyms: creep, worm one's way, go on all fours, go on hands and knees, wriggle, slither, squirm, scrabble "they crawled under the table"
That’s your personal opinion, which of course you are entitled to. A jury of his peers acquitted him in a court of law….that’s the American justice system and that’s how it stands. No he cannot….and he probably feels terrible with great remorse knowing he will carry this with him for the rest of his life. How do you know he hasn’t….many times over?
Neither can I dispute the numerous reports, Then are you also making an ASSUMPTION that he did not, since you haven’t seen a picture?
No it is a fact that I witnessed. The so called judge should be put on death row for jury tampering by withholding key evidence. The "you're fucked" logo on his gun. It showed the piece of shits mindset.
A lie from your source told by a known murderer. You could see he had no gun from all the Simon says hands up. Simon says get on your knees Simon says... That cop deserves to be on death row. If he keeps lying about it then God Wil, punish him.
But neither you nor your “wife, kids and kids friend's” sat in a courtroom for six- weeks listening to all the testimony and watching the video a number of times. So, do you really feel that judging someone only from emotion is the correct way to go?
0fficers responded following like this one, Brailsford, a two-year veteran of the Mesa police force, was previously fired for department policy violations, including unsatisfactory performance. There is no mention that I saw in your link. But there was the above.
The wrongness brought out the emotion. Yes there is enough evidence in the video to put down the cop. Jury selection needs to be looked at, because those jurors were obviously not qualified. Sitting in the courtroom with the judge withholding key evidence. Means nothing. They just had good deceiver on the prosecution side. Our system isn't even close to perfect. Justice would be the former cop on death row awaiting execution.
A lie from your source told by a known murderer. The cop said he “believed” that. Come on, now, at least be fair….you cannot say it is a lie and he didn’t "believe" that. It maybe you opinion….but it is only your opinion.
I think we should let God decide what God will do … Seems the right thing to do …
I'm not praying for it. But I would never shed a tear if it happened. What he did was cold blooded murder.
Come on, now, at least be fair….you cannot say it is a lie and he didn’t "believe" that. It maybe you opinion….but it is only your opinion. All his crawling etc would have exposed a gun. They made him play a life or death game of Simon says. He was on ground cooperating and that asshole just gunned him down because he wanted to "fuck" him like his gun said.
Seems the right thing to do … God already decided. If you don't repent you go to the bad place..
The wrongness brought out the emotion. Yes there is enough evidence in the video to put down the cop. Jury selection needs to be looked at, because those jurors were obviously not qualified. Sitting in the courtroom with the judge withholding key evidence. Means nothing. They just had good deceiver on the prosecution side. Our system isn't even close to perfect. Justice would be the former cop on death row awaiting execution. Maybe….yep, maybe. But do you feel by watching the video a few times and not hearing alll the testimony during six weeks gives you the right to act as judge and jury to find him guilty and sent to death row? I don’t feel that I can do that, but then what do I know….I’m just an old man.
The corrupt jury only offered an opinion.
And we don’t know that God hasn’t already decided to forgive him….how?
Yes because I didn't get tricked by slick talking liars.
I said he has to repent. That is when god forgives. Sounds to me like he is still saying what he did is right.
Yep, but the jury’s opinion counts for acquittal or punishment. While your opinion only counts to yourself….and maybe your wife, kids and kids’ friends. And often times also to me …
I see what you are saying. He has to admit it was murder. But we don’t know if God saw it as murder….do we?
Have your eyes ever played a trick on you? I have heard of such a statement …
Hmm….maybe. I don’t know if that would or would not have. I really don’t….I have no way of know that. Not just looking at the video and assuming that.
...and to immediately kill them. As would any sane human being. You forget who you are dealing with here - in Gatlin Bizarro World, cops are gods and can do no wrong. A lie from your source told by a known murderer. Oldest lie in the cop playbook - cop claims he "feared for his life". I'd like to see how many were ex-cops or relatives of cops or prosecutors. That written threat on the cop's gun should have been introduced as evidence of pre-meditation. What kind of a sick, sadistic bastard has something like that etched into his gun? The contents of the body camera footage had been described to the public before, when Brailsford was first charged, but the video itself was withheld until this morning. NBC notes: The detective investigating the shooting had agreed Shaver's movement was similar to reaching for a pistol, but has said it also looked as though Shaver was pulling up his loose-fitting basketball shorts that had fallen down as he was ordered to crawl. The investigator noted he did not see anything that would have prevented officers from simply handcuffing Shaver as he was on the floor. Forcing Shaver to crawl toward the police like this increased the likelihood that Shaver would lose balance and make wild movements, and Langley's bizarre orders were probably confusing even to a sober person. Oh, and here's an interesting detail from the Arizona Republic: The judge did not allow jurors to hear about an etching on the dust cover of the rifle Brailsford used to shoot Shaver, which said "You're f--ked," because he felt it was prejudicial. ...and to immediately kill them. Not immediately….one second, if they make the wrong move.
As would any sane human being. You forget who you are dealing with here - in Gatlin Bizarro World, cops are gods and can do no wrong. Nope cops are not Gods in my world and they should not be the enemies in your world. There are bad cops [1%] and the rest of the 1.1 million cops are good cops doing a great job.
No lie SCOTUS decisions: Tennessee v. Garner Graham v. Connor, God Bless American and our system of justice.
Don’t you think that the prosecutor would have definitely determined that and executed a peremptory challenges? I do. You are an idiot not to think so.
TRY IT NOW. Get on your carpeted floor... on both your KNEES.... Cross one leg over the other and hold your arms STRAIGHT UP... and TRY waddling across the surface under those constraints. Not one or two motions... the entire floor-length... and SEE if you can hold and constrain your body upright successfully while doing so. Well!?? Now think of how scared that guy was when having to suddenly do all that at gunpoint, and conflicted by all the 'crawl' commands shouted repeatedly at him? Well?? Could you do it?? BTW... How does that Charley-horse feel?? Of course, sitting in some nice easy chair slowly watching the video maybe frame by frame….it would possibly look that way to anyone. But the cop on the scene has ONE SECOND [a scientifically proven fact] to make a decision. Naturally. when the defense attorney asks the investigator: “Did you see anything that would have prevented officers from simply handcuffing Shaver as he was on the floor?” The investigator will say, without even blinking an eye: No. Christ, Bubba….why in the Hell did you bold print that. Such an obvious Defense attorney question and there was definitely not anything physically preventing the handcuffing. Why are you so stupid….really?
It is as you stated and you CONFIRMED in your previous post: “The detective investigating the shooting had agreed Shaver's movement was similar to reaching for a pistol …” Standardized training and scientifically proven in most all policed academies, the police officer on the scene has ONE SCEOND to determine if he is reaching for a gun. Much documentation and a number of videos validate this. In fact, an American-American preacher here in Phoenix [I could look up the article, it would only validate what I am saying] was a staunch vocal opponent to police procedures saying they were always too quick to shoot. He went through the “Shoot or Don’t Shoot” drill and now fully supports the right of police to make the decision on the spot.
Bullshit! Completely immaterial and totally irrelevant…. You're a cop-worshiping tool. Piss off! An inscription on a dust cover is a very common thing and many people do it. They run the gauntlet. There are a number of suggestions on the Web. Brailsford had used the rifle in any number of other situations before and had never shot anyone. The fact that the inscription was on the dust cover had nothing to do with this situation since it never had before. Remember: The inscription on the dust cover of the rifle didn’t cause Brailsford to shoot….it was Shaver’s sudden hand movement towards his waist that caused Brailsford to shoot. Therefore the judge was correct is not permitting it to me mentioned at the trial since it was prejudicial. You are attempting to use it here to prejudice others so the prejudicial point is well made….it would indeed have been highly prejudicial.
Piss off - they didn't allow all of the video either you cop-sucking prick. I worship no cops. I am simply and humbly a charming, clean-cut individual who possesses great transcendence and the maturity to realistically see things as they factually are and not as I would biasly want them to be. Not until the day comes that I can finally teach you that facts are your friends and not your enemies.
Your blind allegiance to the State and submissive fetish for authority do not allow you to see any facts. Keep licking those jack-boots! I am simply and humbly a charming, clean-cut individual who possesses great transcendence and the maturity to realistically see things... Get the fuck over yourself you self-aggrandizing prick. Nope There you go again….trying ever so hard to make a prejudicial statement. Of course Deputy Maricopa County Attorney Susie Charbel did NOT show the entire 18-minute video….she only showed the entire portion of the video that depicted the killing. Charbel adequately covered everything necessary for the prosecutor and the defense as far as viewing the video in her opening statement. It is during your moments like this for me to truly understand why you are such a simpleton … When all you have left is insulting name calling….I guess that means you are finished and that you lose.
I repeat: When all you have left is insulting name calling….I guess that means you are finished and that you lose.
Oh - you mean they showed the part of the video that was beneficial to the cop? Good grief - you're so predictable. If the shoe fits... Self aggrandizement is defined as exaggerating one's own importance or power. An example of self aggrandizement is a candidate stretching the truth about his accomplishments to win the position. No blind allegiance, just the facts….and here are the facts. You have presented confirmation in a previous post. Shaver reached for his waistband after having been told specifically NOT to make any sudden movements. Shaver was shot because he made the sudden movement. Those are not my facts. Those are the unanimous conclusions of a jury of Shaver’s peers after listening to six weeks of testimony and seeing the video.
If the shoe fits... Self aggrandizement is defined as exaggerating one's own importance or power. An example of self aggrandizement is a candidate stretching the truth about his accomplishments to win the position. I know the definition, so you wasted your time since the shoe doesn’t fit. Right back at cyou … Self-confidence is a superbly high feeling of great trust in one's own abilities, qualities, and power of judgment. Now there is a shoe that fits me well….custom made for my handsome feet.
No surprise, because I am always right. A person always right can easily become predictable by any “intelligent” person. I am therefore surprised you noticed …
Alas, they were not on the jury. Which means their opinions are worth shit.
… they showed the part of the video that was beneficial to the cop? No, you are extremely confused. It was the Deputy Maricopa County Attorney who showed the part of the video. It was not meant to be beneficial to the cop since she was prosecuting the cop and wanted him to be convicted. Had she not wanted him to be convicted, she would never have brought charges against the cop in the first place. What I mean is that we need to trust the judicial process and respect the courts’ decisions. We must have confidence in the due process of the criminal justice system to review the facts completely and accurately. If we don’t, then we have no justice system and without a justice system we have no law and order….then we have no country. We should not cherry pick and support the verdicts we agree with….then be highly verbal to actively and profoundly condemn those verdicts with which we disagree. I have no doubt should any similar facts as presented in this case with video to support it, ever be presented again….the judicial system will continue to do its job and the matter will again be placed before a jurors.
If piggy was so scared about a weapon why did he have the guy crawl over the woman's purse? The guy didn't have a weapon. The other cops weren't stupid like the tattooed crazy looking murderer cop. You are a very weird person. You are blind to wrongs committed by the police. Probably because you are a retired cop who abused people.
He was inebriated and that is why he was confused by the commands. Probably not if I were as inebriated as he apparently was. Could I do it being completely sober as I always am? With the greatest of ease …
You're so smart ... after the fact. "You are blind to wrongs committed by the police." What wrongs? The jury found him not guilty. You don't like our system of justice? How should we determine guilt -- an Internet poll?
His being drunk is what started the whole series of events: "According to a police report, Daniel Leetin Shaver had been staying at a Mesa La Quinta Inn & Suites on business. He invited two acquaintances to his room for drinks. There he showed them a scoped air rifle he was using to exterminate birds inside grocery stores. At one point the gun was pointed outside his hotel window, prompting a witness to notify the front desk; the police were immediately called." "Upon arrival, police gave Shaver and his acquaintance's detailed orders for several minutes, with frequent admonitions that failing to comply with them would get them shot." His two acquaintances followed those instructions and were not shot. Shaver didn't and was.
Unfortunately....he paid a high price for his stupidity. It was a tragic event….it was not murder.
I agree.
Inebriated or not - trying to obey commands when all the cops were shouting is impossible. Looks as if you want to take Duarte's "War on Drugs" to the next level and execute those who have had too much to drink while in a hotel room. Alcohol kills.
Bullshit! Scientifically proven to be factual. Do some research before you again let your mouth overload your ass….as you always do.
You're a cop-worshiping tool. Piss off! Why should I “piss off?” Oh, because it is impossible for you to show that it was material and totally relevant….is that it? Of course it is. So, I can understand why you would want me to “piss off” …
Inebriated or not - trying to obey commands when all the cops were shouting is impossible. Hey, asshole, you can’t be this stupid. Well, I guess you can. The man and woman who was with him obeyed the commands when all the cops were shouting and they did not find it impossible to do so. Geeze….I sometimes wonder why I ever bother with you.
Looks as if you want to take Duarte's "War on Drugs" to the next level and execute those who have had too much to drink while in a hotel room. There is no next level and the parallel you are attempting to draw is unbefitting to anything that happened. There was no execution, there was only a tragic event obviously started by a person being drunk and unable to rationally and correctly control his actions and the events he cause surrounding his actions. Having “too much to drink” [the political correct way of saying just being “plain drunk”] is nwcwe a good thing to do. Alcohol kills….wait, I think someone already said that.
#2. To: A K A Stone (#0)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#3. To: A K A Stone (#0)
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#4. To: A K A Stone (#1)
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#5. To: Deckard (#2)
Why would the man be on his knees begging for his life if his intention was to shoot a cop?
#6. To: Pinguinite (#4)
#7. To: A K A Stone, Pinguinite (#6)
The "police officer" had a gun the words "you're fucked" printed across it
#8. To: A K A Stone (#6)
The "police officer" had a gun the words "you're fucked" printed across it. Someone can post it. They didn't show that to the jury.
#9. To: hondo68 (#7)
The officer needs to be executed.
#10. To: Deckard (#2)
#11. To: A K A Stone (#0)
#12. To: jeremiad (#11)
Why were the cops at this hotel? Why at this hotel room? Why these people? Was there evidence of a sniper from a window?
#13. To: Pinguinite (#12)
That this trial took place after the Vegas shooting certainly played into the cop's favor.
#14. To: Deckard (#2)
It looks like the cop made up the part about Shaver having a gun.
#15. To: Deckard (#2)
Why would the man be on his knees begging for his life if his intention was to shoot a cop?
That is a loaded question biased with the intent to influence opinion since the question did not include ALL of the actions by the man before the shooting. A more correctly worded question would be: Why would the man on his knees begging for his life make a sudden movement to reach for his waistband when he had been warned not to do so at the risk of being shot?
There …
#16. To: Pinguinite (#4)
Shaver was obviously terrified of the police and the encounter, and did the best he was capable of to comply with all orders.
It was reported or testified to that: [The police] ordered Shaver out of his room and to lie face-down in a hallway and refrain from making sudden movements — or risk being shot.
You pointed out that: Shaver dropped to his hands upon hearing the order to "crawl", which happened just before he was killed.
I believe your statement is incomplete and missing an important aspect. Shaver dropped to his hands upon hearing the order to "crawl", which happened just before [he made a “sudden” movement with his hand towards his waistband and] he was killed.
No one in any post that I can see mentions that Shaver made a “sudden movement” with his hand towards his waistband and then he was shot and killed.
#17. To: A K A Stone (#1)
#18. To: Pinguinite (#4)
It is outrageous that civilians are expected to be as well trained about how to behave around cops as cops are trained to treat every person in every situation as a potential cop killer. Shaver was not trained about how to behave around the police, and because of that, he is now dead and the police are not criminally accountable.
#19. To: Pinguinite (#4)
It is outrageous that civilians are expected to be as well trained about how to behave around cops as cops are trained to treat every person in every situation as a potential cop killer. Shaver was not trained about how to behave around the police, and because of that …
In this case, training didn’t need to be how to behave around cops…..training needed to have been on how to act intelligently and rationally so that cops never would have been called. … he is now dead and the police are not criminally accountable.
He is now dead because he acted stupidly and “suddenly moved” his hand towards his waistband after being instructed not to do so….the police were not found to be criminally accountable and therefore acquitted.
#20. To: Gatlin, A K A Stone (#17)
It has been reported this “bodycam footage taken at a Mesa hotel on the night of Jan. 18, 2016, was the heart of the prosecution’s case.”
#21. To: Pinguinite (#4)
If there is a lesson from this, anyone in a similar situation should simply stay flat on the floor, spread eagle, and refuse to move even when ordered to do so. Do not rise to your knees, cross your ankles or comply with any order to move that could potentially give any cop with a gun any reason to fear for his life, because you know that you may not understand any order given, no matter how simple the order may be ("crawl" being the operative example in Shaver's case). Staying spread eagle face down without moving would do that. The only reason the cops wanted this guy to move toward them is because they suspected a shooter may be in the hotel room, and they didn't want to approach that room with him in the way. But that problem is THEIR problem, not your problem, especially when you know for a fact that they are in no danger whatsoever. YOUR problem is to keep them from shooting you, and you do that by staying down, staying spread eagle and refusing to move at all even when ordered to do so.
#22. To: GrandIsland (#20)
A jury acquitted this officer... and that's how our criminal justice system works. It's how our founding fathers set the system up.
I always love the LF shithouse courtroom... where due process is attacked if that due process doesn't help your AGENDA.
#23. To: Gatlin (#17)
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#24. To: Gatlin (#19)
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#26. To: Pinguinite (#5)
Because cops are permitted, and trained, to be extremely paranoid.
#27. To: A K A Stone (#24)
#28. To: Gatlin (#26)
Because cops are permitted, and trained, to be extremely paranoid. Can you provide studies to document this….or is it just your asinine personal biased opinion?
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#31. To: A K A Stone (#23)
The former officer is a murderer.
He can't erase his actions.
He will have to repent to god or go to Hell.
Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord … Acts 3:19
#32. To: A K A Stone (#29)
You assumed he was pointing gun out window. Can you show me a picture. No you cannot.
Nope, I can’t show you a picture of that. 0fficers responded following like this one,
of someone pointing a gun out a window.
#33. To: Gatlin (#31)
The former officer is a murderer. That’s your personal opinion, which of course you are entitled to.
#34. To: Gatlin (#32)
On trial, Brailsford testified that he fully believed that Shaver was reaching for a gun.
#35. To: A K A Stone (#29)
When I watched the video it brought tears to my eye for the man brutally gunned down.
I am sure you were saddened by this tragic event. We all are , or everyone definitely should be. I've showed it to wife, kids, kids friend's. 100 percent agree cop was wrong
So you found people who agree with you….and you all are entitled to your emotions. I suspect someone will murder that cop someday.
Maybe, but I can’t believe this is something you want to happen.
#36. To: Gatlin (#32)
Nope, I can’t show you a picture of that. Neither can I dispute the numerous reports,
#37. To: Gatlin (#35)
So, do you really feel that judging someone only from emotion is the correct way to go?
#38. To: A K A Stone (#34)
On trial, Brailsford testified that he fully believed that Shaver was reaching for a gun.
#39. To: A K A Stone (#34)
… if he keeps lying about it then God Wil, punish him.
#40. To: Gatlin (#35)
suspect someone will murder that cop someday. Maybe, but I can’t believe this is something you want to happen.
#41. To: Gatlin (#38)
The cop said he “believed” that.
#42. To: Gatlin (#39)
think we should let God decide what God will do …
#43. To: A K A Stone (#37)
So, do you really feel that judging someone only from emotion is the correct way to go?
#44. To: Gatlin (#38)
It maybe you opinion….but it is only your opinion.
#45. To: A K A Stone (#42)
God already decided. If you don't repent you go to the bad place..
#46. To: Gatlin (#43)
But do you feel by watching the video a few times and not hearing alll the testimony during six weeks gives you the right to act as judge and jury to find him guilty and sent to death row?
#47. To: Gatlin (#45)
#48. To: A K A Stone (#44)
God already decided. If you don't repent you go to the bad place..
#49. To: All (#48)
Sounds to me like he is still saying what he did is right.
#50. To: A K A Stone (#46)
Yes because I didn't get tricked by slick talking liars.
#51. To: A K A Stone (#41)
All his crawling etc would have exposed a gun.
#52. To: Gatlin, grandisland, misterwhite, deckard (#51)
#53. To: Gatlin (#26)
the police are being trained to recognize and handle paranoia and paranoid personalities ...
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#54. To: A K A Stone (#29)
I've showed it to wife, kids, kids friend's. 100 percent agree cop was wrong.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#55. To: A K A Stone (#34)
On trial, Brailsford testified that he fully believed that Shaver was reaching for a gun.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#56. To: A K A Stone (#37)
Yes there is enough evidence in the video to put down the cop. Jury selection needs to be looked at, because those jurors were obviously not qualified.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#57. To: A K A Stone (#41)
All his crawling etc would have exposed a gun. They made him play a life or death game of Simon says. He was on ground cooperating and that asshole just gunned him down because he wanted to "fuck" him like his gun said.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#58. To: A K A Stone, Gatlin (#41)
All his crawling etc would have exposed a gun.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#59. To: Deckard (#53)
the police are being trained to recognize and handle paranoia and paranoid personalities ...
#60. To: Deckard (#54)
I've showed it to wife, kids, kids friend's. 100 percent agree cop was wrong.
No, just showing something to someone’s wife, kids, and kids’ friends and having them agree does not establish fact….it only reflects emotion.
#61. To: Deckard (#55)
Oldest lie in the cop playbook - cop claims he "feared for his life".
#62. To: Deckard (#56)
I'd like to see how many were ex-cops or relatives of cops or prosecutors.
#63. To: Gatlin (#61)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#64. To: Gatlin, A K A Stone (#59)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#65. To: Deckard (#58)
The detective investigating the shooting had agreed Shaver's movement was similar to reaching for a pistol, but has said it also looked as though Shaver was pulling up his loose-fitting basketball shorts that had fallen down as he was ordered to crawl.
The investigator noted he did not see anything that would have prevented officers from simply handcuffing Shaver as he was on the floor.
#66. To: Deckard (#64)
TRY IT NOW.
Don’t bother….a total waste of time. Get on your carpeted floor... on both your KNEES.... Cross one leg over the other and hold your arms STRAIGHT UP... and TRY waddling across the surface under those constraints. Not one or two motions... the entire floor-length... and SEE if you can hold and constrain your body upright successfully while doing so. Well!??
Completely immaterial and totally irrelevant….some really great drama though. Now think of how scared that guy was when having to suddenly do all that at gunpoint, and conflicted by all the 'crawl' commands shouted repeatedly at him? Well?? Could you do it?? BTW...
Doesn’t matter. He was suddenly moving his hand towards his waistband after he had been specifically ordered NOT to make any sudden movements. How does that Charley-horse feel??
How does a few rounds to the torso feel if you don’t follow the officer’s instructions?
#67. To: Gatlin (#65)
But the cop on the scene has ONE SECOND [
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#68. To: Gatlin (#66)
Get on your carpeted floor... on both your KNEES.... Cross one leg over the other and hold your arms STRAIGHT UP... and TRY waddling across the surface under those constraints. Not one or two motions... the entire floor-length... and SEE if you can hold and constrain your body upright successfully while doing so. Well!??
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#69. To: Deckard (#58)
The judge did not allow jurors to hear about an etching on the dust cover of the rifle Brailsford used to shoot Shaver, which said "You're f--ked," because he felt it was prejudicial.
#70. To: Gatlin (#69)
.it would indeed have been highly prejudicial.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#71. To: Deckard (#68)
You're a cop-worshiping tool.
Piss off!
#72. To: Gatlin (#71)
(Edited)
facts
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#73. To: Deckard (#70)
Piss off -
- they didn't allow all of the video either …
… you cop-sucking prick.
#74. To: Deckard (#72)
Get the fuck over yourself you self-aggrandizing prick.
#75. To: Gatlin (#73)
Of course Deputy Maricopa County Attorney Susie Charbel did NOT show the entire 18-minute video….she only showed the entire portion of the video that depicted the killing.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#76. To: Gatlin (#74)
self-aggrandizing
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#77. To: Deckard (#72)
Your blind allegiance to the State and submissive fetish for authority do not allow you to see any facts
#78. To: Deckard (#76)
self-aggrandizing
#79. To: Deckard (#75)
Good grief - you're so predictable.
#80. To: A K A Stone (#29)
I've showed it to wife, kids, kids friend's. 100 percent agree cop was wrong.
#81. To: Deckard (#75)
Of course Deputy Maricopa County Attorney Susie Charbel did NOT show the entire 18-minute video….she only showed the entire portion of the video that depicted the killing.
Oh - you mean …
#82. To: misterwhite (#80)
#83. To: Deckard (#64)
conflicted by all the 'crawl' commands shouted repeatedly at him?
Could you do it?? BTW...
#84. To: A K A Stone (#82)
The guy didn't have a weapon.
#85. To: Gatlin (#83)
He was inebriated and that is why he was confused by the commands.
#86. To: misterwhite (#85)
His two acquaintances followed those instructions and were not shot. Shaver didn't and was.
#87. To: Gatlin (#86)
It was a tragic event….it was not murder.
#88. To: Gatlin (#83)
He was inebriated and that is why he was confused by the commands.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#89. To: misterwhite (#85)
His being drunk is what started the whole series of events:
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#90. To: Deckard (#89)
Looks as if you want to take Duarte's "War on Drugs" to the next level and execute those who have had too much to drink while in a hotel room.
#91. To: Deckard (#67)
But the cop on the scene has ONE SECOND [
#92. To: Deckard (#68)
Completely immaterial and totally irrelevant….
#93. To: Deckard (#88)
He was inebriated and that is why he was confused by the commands.
Inebriated or not -
#94. To: Deckard (#89)
(Edited)
His being drunk is what started the whole series of events:
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