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Title: Report: FBI ordered 4,000+ guns seized from buyers who failed background checks (ATF "retrieval requests")
Source: CBS News
URL Source: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-is ... iled-background-checks-report/
Published: Dec 4, 2017
Author: CBS News
Post Date: 2017-12-05 19:50:54 by Hondo68
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Keywords: collect the weapons, Alcohol Tobacco Firearms, gun retrieval request
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Semi-automatic rifles are seen for sale in a gun shop in Las Vegas, Nevada on October 4, 2017.  ROBYN BECK/AFP/Getty

The FBI issued 4,170 orders last year to seize guns from buyers who should have been blocked by the federal background check system, according to a new report from USA Today. The purchasers include people with criminal records, mental health issues or other red flags.

The report said that's the largest number of gun retrieval requests in 10 years, up from 2,892 requests the year before. It was not immediately clear how many of the guns were successfully recovered. Once the FBI issues a gun retrieval request, it's up to agents with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) to actually collect the weapons.

"These are people who shouldn't have weapons in the first place, and it just takes one to do something that could have tragic consequences," David Chipman, a former ATF official who oversaw the retrieval program, told USA Today.

The actual number of guns involved may be higher, since more than one weapon could have been purchased in some transactions.

Last month, Attorney General Jeff Sessions ordered a review of the federal background check system after it came to light that the Air Force failed to report the criminal history of the gunman who later purchased a rifle and killed more than two dozen worshippers inside a church in Sutherland Springs, Texas.

The National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) system relies on state and local agencies as well as the military to accurately report criminal history and other information. But for years, they have failed to upload critical records with no consequences for failing to follow federal law, CBS News correspondent Paula Reid reported.


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Jeff Sessions and Trump should just admit that they're busting pot smokers because it's easier than deporting illegal alien "Dream Students", or confiscating guns.

BTW, deporting illegal aliens is Constitutionally mandated and legal, but confiscating guns and busting drug users is NOT.

The illegal NICS needs to be shut down!(1 image)

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#1. To: hondo68 (#0)

We live in Police State Utopia, hondo. This is what the framers of the US Constitution had hoped to prevent as they envisioned for and about our highly regarded individual freedoms, liberties and rights besides simple human dignity.

buckeroo  posted on  2017-12-05   21:04:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: hondo68 (#0)

Trump ATF Seizes Guns and Automatic Weapons From Criminals Bought Under Sloppy & Careless Fast and Furious Holder-0bama Regime!

Why isn't THAT the headline??

Btw Hondo, conflating this seizure of AWs from lunatics, druggies, and criminals is NOT quite the same as seizing doobies and rolling paper.

You're fast moving in Willie Green mental-health territory.

Liberator  posted on  2017-12-05   21:09:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Liberator (#2)

You can not purchase AW, unless licensed through the BATF. The issue of this article is about lack of government oversight for anything besides AW.

Please stop confusing the issues, Liberator. You are becoming annoying.

buckeroo  posted on  2017-12-05   21:16:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: buckeroo (#3)

You can not purchase AW, unless licensed through the BATF. The issue of this article is about lack of government oversight for anything besides AW.

Earth to Buck:

What part of, "The purchasers include people with criminal records, mental health issues" did you miss?

0bama and Holder -- remember THEM? Recall their ill-fated sloppy operation, Fast & Furious? Naah, you don't Never mind.

Liberator  posted on  2017-12-05   21:20:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Liberator (#4)

0bama and Holder -- remember THEM? Recall their ill-fated sloppy operation, Fast & Furious? Naah, you don't Never mind.

You are stuck in LaLaLand; man, nothing is going to be revealed by you reminiscing about those lying bastards.

buckeroo  posted on  2017-12-05   21:26:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Liberator (#4)

Bucky is an anything goes anarchist. You can't reach him even if you bang his head off a brick wall a few times... still dumb as a fucking pile of bison shit.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2017-12-05   21:42:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: GrandIsland (#6)

Yup. Against the grain always. Just for kicks. No one -- not even he knows what he actually believes.

Liberator  posted on  2017-12-05   21:47:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: GrandIsland (#6)

Bucky is an anything goes anarchist.

When you introduce my moniker in some sort of twisted, weird and archaic way, please ensure you objectively copy "buckeroo" into the chit-chat TO dialogue box.

Your co-operation is appreciated.

buckeroo  posted on  2017-12-05   21:58:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: buckeroo (#8)

GFY. You don't deserve to be chit chat notified... when being talked about on this chit chat channel.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2017-12-05   22:03:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Liberator, Piers Morgan territory, become an American, Willie Green (#2)

Trump ATF Seizes Guns and Automatic Weapons From Criminals Bought Under Sloppy & Careless Fast and Furious Holder-0bama Regime!

seizure of AWs from lunatics, druggies, and criminals

Willie Green mental-health territory

Pathetic gun grabber drivel from the Brady Bunch/NRA, D&R nwo crowd. Call people a few names, and then take their God given inalienable rights!

You're close to Piers Morgan territory.

Hondo68  posted on  2017-12-05   22:07:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Liberator (#7)

Yup. Against the grain always. Just for kicks. No one -- not even he knows what he actually believes.

Why do you feel this way, Liberator? Keep in mind, I am longest standing poster on this chit-chat channel and have never expressed my grief for being invited here on "Liberty's Flame."

I continually check in to "Liberty's Flame" and am appalled of and about the chit-chat channel's structure and lack of constraint of poster's perspective which includes yours.

buckeroo  posted on  2017-12-05   22:07:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: GrandIsland (#9)

You can't restrain yourself of and about being a liar. Who needs a phuckin' liar on a chit-chat channel? Not me.

buckeroo  posted on  2017-12-05   22:09:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: hondo68 (#0)

Asking permission from fed.gov to purchase or own a gun makes one a slave.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-12-06   5:35:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: buckeroo (#5)

Democrats and liberals shouldn't be allowed to own guns.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-12-06   6:37:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: A K A Stone (#14)

Democrats and liberals shouldn't be allowed to own guns.

How about libertarians? Any other group you'd like to disarm?

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-12-06   6:41:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Deckard (#15)

Only if you voted demo rat at least three times.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-12-06   6:44:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: A K A Stone (#16)

Only if you voted demo rat at least three times.

Seems arbitrary to me.

I know several life-long democrats up here and they are 100% pro-gun. Decent people too.

But what the heck, if you want to judge individuals by what label you give them - go for it.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-12-06   6:54:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Deckard (#17)

I know several life-long democrats up here and they are 100% pro-gun. Decent people too.

I bet you rub elbows with many. lol

Get back in the fucking closet.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2017-12-06   7:09:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Deckard (#17)

I don't care if they are pro gun. They murder children with their evil votes. They shouldn't have guns. Why do you want sickos to own guns?

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-12-06   7:14:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: GrandIsland (#18) (Edited)

I bet you rub elbows with many.

Not really - I usually don't ask someone what their arbitrary label is.

Maybe that's because I'm not a hypercritical, judgemental and narrow-minded prick like you.

Frickin' clowns like you are what's keeping the country divided.

The truth is, there is no right or left. There is only right and wrong.

The party bosses and ardent followers would have you believe otherwise. They would have you believe that right is whatever particular party they belong to, and wrong is the political opposition. This might be true if the sides of today were genuine.

Instead, both parties and most mainstream organizations funnel into the same end result: total control. While the left and right bicker publicly on hot topics," the end result is the same, regardless of who is President, or who is in control of Congress. Less freedoms for individuals, less sovereignty for nations, losses of jobs through insane international agreements like NAFTA, the dilution of American culture, and the over extension of our military.

It's been said that if you don't like what the Republicans are doing, vote for the Democrats, and if you don't like what Democrats are doing, vote Republican. It's set up like a game. I have my favorite team, and you have yours. I'll back my team no matter what, just as long as your team doesn't win.

The problem is, both teams are full of scandalous figures who are so busy selling you and I out for their own personal gain, they have no time or desire to help our country in this time of need. While we Americans are busy cheering our favorite politicos and jeering our least favorites, both sides are pursuing the policy of the destruction of America.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-12-06   7:26:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: A K A Stone (#19)

I don't care if they are pro gun. They murder children with their evil votes.

OMG - you really believe that Republicans will EVER end abortion?

It's a winner for them to keep it legal so rubes like you will keep voting for them.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-12-06   7:29:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Deckard (#21)

I'm a Tube now huh.

Yes some elected Republicans are liars, but all the democrats would gleefully do an abortion personally if they thought it would help them.

Democrats don't need guns they need their brains removed and replaced with a mouse brain or something more intelligent.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-12-06   7:59:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Deckard (#20)

Frickin' clowns like you are what's keeping the country divided.

No the democrats totally embracing evil is the cause. I want to be divided from them. You like them weirdos obviously.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-12-06   8:03:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Deckard (#20)

Maybe that's because I'm not a hypercritical, judgemental and narrow-minded prick ...

Oh my sides …

Gatlin  posted on  2017-12-06   8:05:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: A K A Stone (#22)

...all the democrats would gleefully do an abortion personally if they thought it would help them.

There you go again. Nothing like a little melodramatic hyperbole to start the day.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-12-06   8:11:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Gatlin (#24)

hypercritical, judgemental and narrow-minded prick ...

Sorry, I forgot to ping you.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-12-06   8:12:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Deckard, GrandIsland (#26)

hypercritical, judgemental [SIC] and narrow-minded prick ... Sorry, I forgot to ping you.
What you should be apologizing for is your hypercritical action when you recently publically chastised Grand Island for misspelling the word “loathe.”

And yet you, you hypercritical bastard, cannot even correctly spell the word judgmental which is something you as a narrow-minded prick try….try….to deny being.

What goes around comes around….eh?

Proclaim again to all of us and so everyone can see that you falsely deny being a:

… hypercritical, judgemental [SIC] and narrow-minded prick …

Gotcha …

Gatlin  posted on  2017-12-06   9:03:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Gatlin (#27)

...chastised Grand Island for misspelling the word “loathe.”

Liar - he used the incorrect word.

the word judgmental

I got the "mental" aspect correct - the both of you.

Anyways, the spell-check didn't flag "judgemental".

So why don't you just sod off you bloody tosser?

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-12-06   10:03:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Deckard (#28)

Anyways, the spell-check didn't flag "judgemental".

You using your TV station MSM spell-checker?

You must be since it didn't catch the spelling error.

You MSM assholes get too many things wrong.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-12-06   11:18:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Deckard (#28)

So why don't you just sod off you bloody tosser?

Nope ...

Gatlin  posted on  2017-12-06   11:18:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Deckard (#26)

Sorry, I forgot to ping you.

You forget a lot of things.

That's okay, no need to apologize.

I forgive you ...

Gatlin  posted on  2017-12-06   11:20:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: hondo68 (#0)

The purchasers include people with criminal records, mental health issues or other red flags.

ALL are un-Constitutional acts. ALL of them.

In what WAS a Free Country,criminals who had served their time and been released from prison had ALL their rights restored when they walked out the prison gates,including the rights to vote and possess weapons.

I'm sure this changed at different times in different states,but it didn't become federal until 1964. For roughly 200 years prisoners had their weapons returned to them as they left prison,and it wasn't a problem.

People with mental health issues so severe they can't be trusted to possess weapons (NOT just guns) should be in mental institutions,so the question of their right to possess firearms is moot.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-12-06   18:51:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Liberator (#2)

Btw Hondo, conflating this seizure of AWs from lunatics, druggies, and criminals is NOT quite the same as seizing doobies and rolling paper.

It's worse. No one has a Constitutional RIGHT to own rolling papers.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-12-06   18:52:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Deckard (#13)

Asking permission from fed.gov to purchase or own a gun makes one a slave.

BINGO!

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-12-06   18:54:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Deckard (#20)

Frickin' clowns like you are what's keeping the country divided.

That jungle potato that left the Whitehouse, is what has been dividing this country. He paved the way for the reverse racism we have today.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2017-12-06   20:22:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: GrandIsland, Daddy jungle potato, LBJ (#35)

That jungle potato that left the Whitehouse, is what has been dividing this country. He paved the way for the reverse racism we have today.

Who's your daddy?

Which White House jungle potato signed the Civil Rights Wrongs Act?

Hondo68  posted on  2017-12-06   20:47:04 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: A K A Stone (#14)

Democrats and liberals shouldn't be allowed to own guns.

Yeah they should...

Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!

CZ82  posted on  2017-12-07   17:17:25 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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