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Title: Amazing Fossils Found in Flood Deposits
Source: Creation Evolution Headlines
URL Source: https://crev.info/2017/12/amazing-fossils-found-flood-deposits/
Published: Dec 4, 2017
Author: David F. Coppedge
Post Date: 2017-12-04 14:21:23 by Liberator
Keywords: Proof, YoungEarth, Creation
Views: 4660
Comments: 59

Flood geology explains these unique fossils like slow-and-gradual geology cannot.

Hundreds of Flood-Deposited Pterosaur Eggs Found

It’s all over the news: several hundred well-preserved pterosaur eggs have been uncovered in China, buried by ‘storms’ (floods).

Details and photos can be found here:

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/11/largest-pterosaurs-eggs-discovered-embryos-fossils-paleontology-science/

Hundreds of Pterosaur Eggs Found in Record-Breaking Fossil Haul (National Geographic).

“The eggs fossilized in lake sediments disturbed by fast-moving water, a sign that storms may have flooded a nesting site and sent the eggs bobbing into a large lake, where soupy mud entombed them.” Huge haul of rare pterosaur eggs excites palaeontologists (Nature News). “…they were probably washed together by a storm event…”

FURTHER SOURCES OF THIS DISCOVERY WHICH PROVES YOUNG EARTH CREATION., as well as DISPROVING long-accepted, unproven tradional "scientific" Dating Methodologies.

Fossilized Pterosaur Eggs Hold Perfectly Preserved Embryos Inside (Live Science).

Hundreds of fossilized eggs shed light on pterosaur development (Science Daily).

Fossilised eggs shed light on reign of pterosaurs (BBC News).

“Geological evidence suggests large numbers of the flying reptiles died in a storm in the Early Cretaceous period, about 120 million years ago.”

Hundreds of pterosaur eggs help reveal the early life of flying reptiles (The Conversation).

The lead photo shows the bone bed. Elizabeth Martin-Silverstone writes, “Researchers think this means it was a nesting site that was hit by high-energy storms that transported the pterosaurs and their eggs to a calm lake where they were then turned into fossils.”

The original paper in Science Magazine is titled, “Egg accumulation with 3D embryos provides insight into the life history of a pterosaur.” D. Charles Deeming provided an accompanying article, “How pterosaurs bred,” also in Science Magazine. The researchers are understandably interested in what this rare cache reveals about pterosaur development, but no less interesting is the taphonomy—how they were buried. They were not buried in situ, but were transported by flood waters in storms, probably bobbing in the water till covered quickly by sediments. The paper authors describe the geological setting,

This sedimentological data, associated with the exceptional quantity of eggs and bones, indicate that events of high energy such as storms have passed over a nesting site, causing the eggs to be moved inside the lake where they floated for a short period of time, becoming concentrated and eventually buried along with disarticulated skeletons. Our findings further demonstrate the exceptional conditions necessary for the preservation of such fragile material and can explain the notable paucity of pterosaur eggs and embryos in the paleontological record compared to other reptiles, because the preservation potential of soft-shelled specimens is regarded as very poor.

Multiple floods? National Geographic speculates, “The eggs didn’t wash in all at once: They’re spread out among four distinct sediment layers, suggesting that multiple floods deposited them over time.” Flood geologists know, however, that multiple layers can form in a single event. Additionally, it would seem strange for a flood-damaged area to be used again and again by the creatures (remember the changing story of the Yellowstone fossil forests?).

Convergence again. In a sideshow to the discovery, some evolutionists are asserting that these pterosaurs were “even more like birds” than thought. That doesn’t help the Darwinian tale, however, because evolutionists do not believe birds evolved from pterosaurs. They would have to chalk similarities up to ‘convergent evolution.’ The original paper does, indeed, attribute the nesting similarities to “ecological convergence.” But an even less probable case of convergence arises from considering that both birds and pterosaurs independently “evolved” powered flight. Nature says, “The early life of pterosaurs — the first vertebrates to evolve powered flight — has been a mystery.” Flying insects, of course, “evolved” powered flight earlier—also independently. Adding flying mammals (bats) and birds, that makes four groups of animals that had to independently “converge” on this irreducibly complex capability.

No transitional forms exist to illustrate the emergence of pterosaurs from any other group of extinct reptiles.

Upside-Down Ankylosaur Analyzed

The armored dinosaur Borealopelta made the news again (see 8/31/17). This ankylosaur-type dinosaur, found in Alberta, sported larger armor plates than needed for defense, National Geographic speculates. They think the armor must have been used for sexual display instead. Not stated this time is the fact that most armored dinosaurs are found upside-down in the fossil record, indicating that they drowned in water (see our 8/31/17 report). The article does say, “About 110 million years ago, this plant-eating dinosaur died and wound up at the bottom of an ancient ocean.”

Only anti-creationist prejudice prevents scientists from seeing flood burials occurring in a single event. Whatever is found, it must be force-fitted into the evolutionary worldview. That’s not science; that’s ideology driving belief.


Poster Comment:

Yes, AS advertised by Scripture, the Earth was created by Almighty God thousands of years ago, NOT "Billions."

Many intellectually honest people -- including scientists -- must now wrap their head around several notions which support a Young Earth.

The Great Flood changed the planet, climate, geography, and life dramatically; One of the biggest Mind-Blowers: YES, dinosaurs roamed the earth WITH MAN before the Great Flood! Scripture assures and reinforces what world geography, geology, paleontology, and REAL science must accept.

The usual and current Dating Methodologies did NOT apply as before the Flood.

The entire planet was rocked by Catastrophism events as the Flood covered the entire earth, the crust of the earth opened and flooded the surface of the planet, volcanoes erupted, entire land masses were folded, pushed up, and percolated to form mountains, new continents and seas.

Many folks attribute the Great Flood solely to non-stop rain. This is not the case as per Genesis:

According to Genesis 7:11:

"In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened."

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#1. To: Liberator (#0)

Many intellectually honest people -- including scientists -- must now wrap their head around several notions which support a Young Earth.

Man I'm sick to death of such idiotic voodoo bullshit conclusions. It's like leftists believing in global warming.

Hank Rearden  posted on  2017-12-04   14:43:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Hank Rearden (#1)

Man I'm sick to death of such idiotic voodoo bullshit conclusions.

And which "voodoo bullshit conclusions" would they be?

Do you understand the science of Geology and dynamics of sedimentary rock and fossils?

It's like leftists believing in global warming.

Please clarify.

Liberator  posted on  2017-12-05   13:40:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Liberator (#3) (Edited)

And which "voodoo bullshit conclusions" would they be?

This bullshit conclusion: AS advertised by Scripture, the Earth was created by Almighty God thousands of years ago, NOT "Billions."

Do you blindly believe all the advertising you see?

Hank Rearden  posted on  2017-12-05   14:26:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Hank Rearden (#7)

Blind. You're stupid.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-12-06   6:36:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: A K A Stone, Liberator, paraclete (#14) (Edited)

Blind. You're stupid.

You snake-fondlers can feel free to believe whatever you wish, just like the Mooslum deathcult, because there's absolutely no way any human could have cooked up, doctored or even completely rewritten your infallible books in only a couple thousand years of utterly meticulous, curated and witnessed recordkeeping.

Probably not a single word was fabricated to manipulate and take advantage of illiterate rubes along the way because forgery wasn't invented until the 20th Century.

But doesn't it seem even a bit odd that no appearances of any religion's god in the presence of man has occurred since there have been ways to record the event so that everyone can share in the magic? It's all just oral stories by infallible, perfect witnesses.

Yeah, Yeah. Faith. It's a test. Ok.

Hank Rearden  posted on  2017-12-08   13:13:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Hank Rearden, A K A Stone paraclete (#15)

You snake-fondlers can feel free to believe whatever you wish, just like the Mooslum deathcult...

ARE we REALLY "free to believe" whatever we wish? If so, that's EXACTLY the intent of most of the original Founders and citizenry of the USA believed. AS MOSTLY BIBLE-BELIEVING CHRISTIANS. That's no coincidence.

If the militant atheists and Leftists have their way, it wouldn't be the case. And you know this is true.

I don't know where you've forged such nonsense, but 99.9% of all Christians don't engage in "snake fondling." To embrace this caracature of "Christians" you must be either extremely easy to manipulate. Or utterly naive.

"There's absolutely no way any human could have cooked up, doctored or even completely rewritten your infallible books in only a couple thousand years of utterly meticulous, curated and witnessed recordkeeping."

But YES -- but the Word and books are indeed INTACT and HAVE indeed been preserved. It is amazing, but true. Preserved in THREE languages. That alone speaks to a Higher Power. And one might say, "miraculous" itself.

How do you explain all the prophecies that had been written thousands of years ago that have come true? How can ANY one or several men manipulate that? Or true history of actual people, places, events AND date that the Bible documents, BACKED BY archaeological FACTS?

Probably not a single word was fabricated to manipulate and take advantage of illiterate rubes along the way because forgery wasn't invented until the 20th Century.

Wow. That's stunning. And talk about "conspiracies."

Q: Just WHO have been the beneficiaries of such a ruse and scheme that has lasted 4,000 years? And just how are its conspirators profiting NOW? Exactly what was to be gained by such an impossible alleged conspiracy of The Mother of All Deceptions?

Let's be clear about definitions:

True Christianity is a belief and fellowship of LIFE based on wisdom, truth, peace (if possible), and path to Eternal Life beyond the Material existence. It fundamentally touts virtue, love (even of Unbelievers), and brotherhood. To be a true Christian is a matter of FREE Choice. Without coercion. Of one's own volition and self-discovery. It instructs and informs one of the "Good News" -- the Gospel.

Islam is a Death Cult. It is definitively coercive, and definitively a cult -- it is fundamentally based on the hatred of Unbelievers, on contradictory, chaotic morals. IT'S version of "Good News" promises rewards to its adherents of mass murder with "Paradise."

Doesn't it seem even a bit odd that no appearances of any religion's god in the presence of man has occurred since there have been ways to record the event so that everyone can share in the magic? It's all just oral stories by infallible, perfect witnesses.

You mean you expect some videotape of the event of Jesus Christ's first return? You mean the eyewitness testimony of THOUSANDS (as told in the Gospels) isn't good enough for you? Or that of the testimony in Old Testament? The legacy of Jesus Christ and eyewitness testimony was so powerful that despite a virtual holocaust of new Christians, others replace them and displaced the most powerful Empire in History within a few hundred years.

If you disbelieve, fine. But then WHY believe ANY "history" that's not videotaped? Or any events told of the US revolution? 500 years ago? A Thousand? Two-Thousand? Egyptian? Or ANY ancient texts?

Again -- the Bible has documented -- with total accuracy -- PEOPLE, PLACES, EVENTS, and DATES. As well as hundred of prophesies come true. That is quite a trick to behold.

And again I must ask: TO WHAT END?

The sharing and maintaining the history of mankind, the early narrative of mankind's relationship with God; belief in the message of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and its respective preservation over millennia -- HOW are any of the current Powers-That-Be profiteering NOW??

ANSWER: The truth is, there IS no material "profit" to be made. Jesus Christ himself said, "If you desire to be perfect, go, sell what you are possessing, and give to the poor,....and come, follow Me." (Matthew 19:21)

What kind of scam or "Ponzi Scheme" would Jesus' own words propagate?

Yes, this physical-world life IS a "test" of sorts; Yes, "Faith" is required...

But how much faith do you need to "know" that the desk you're sitting at; the computer screen you're staring at; the 4 walls within; the HOUSE you live in have one thing in common: THEY ARE ALL BUILT BY SOMEONE. With purpose.

Now look in the mirror, Hank. You were "built." Intricately. With sentience. With purpose.

You can either ignore the obvious, OR seek and find. And btw, "Christianity" isn't so much an "organized religion," but a Fellowship. Same as with Jesus and his disciples.

Liberator  posted on  2017-12-13   11:43:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Liberator (#48)

Your post wasn't directed at me, but I'd still like to respond.

As I view things, Christianity is a pretty good faith. By that, I mean that the virtues Christianity teaches in terms of loving others, sacrificing for the good of others, loving your enemies, the good Samaritan and so on are spot on. The sacrifice of Jesus on the cross is an example of that same love, both of God loving us enough to want to make such a sacrifice, and of Jesus himself following through, again out of love.

Having said that, the Christian doctrine of sin making such a death necessary is something that does not fit into the spiritual model I recognize. Sin, at least as some type of spiritual disease that can only be cured through the shed blood of a completely innocent yet tried and tested Jesus doesn't fit that model. Though sin as an expression of imperfection does make sense.

As for the Bible standing on it's own merits based on ancient precise texts, I would simply chalk that up to the practices of the people of ancient Israel who happened to believe in the sanctity of exact wording. The ancient Greeks had all manner of mythical stories of their own, from which their polytheist religion was based, but because they apparently had no such social discipline to treat their written accounts as sacred down to the word, there is no written texts from them considered "authentic" and myths vary in detail.

We are all familiar with how children ask simple questions of parents about why things are the way they are, like "where to rabbits come from" or "why does it rain", and parents are apt to invent stories to satisfy the curiosity of their kids. In the same way, I would suggest that at the dawn of civilization, people naturally wondered about their place in the universe. They knew innately that they were special but did not know how it could be, or where everything came from. With that, the original story of creation was born, and handed down from father to son, improvements being made at times, eventually (in the case of ancient Israel) being formally written and considered divine.

I once appreciated the argument about how special the Bible must be because of how the dozens of different authors across millinia & backgrounds all agree on a theology, as it's so hard to find a similar set of people that agree. But that's not a fair argument either, really. It's one thing to tell 30 or 40 authors to write a story about God and have them all describe God's role in a uniform way, but that's not how the Bible came to be. It more closely resembles a scenario where you rent out 40 rooms in a hotel and put one author in each room. Then go to the first author and ask for a story of creation. He makes one, and you critique it and edit it for literary perfection. Then you go to the second author and give him the work tell him to write a sequel. You repeat the process, and when you're done you get to review all the works and maybe throw out a few stories that don't match up well (which is what happened with the Apocrypha). So each author had the benefit of knowing what all the prior authors wrote before him. This allows room for later authors to fulfill prophecies made by earlier ones, and of course, ensures the new work doesn't contradict the older works.

As for the Bible matching up archeological findings, that's all in a days work for a people that were meticulous record keepers, which they deserve full credit for being. But that again, does not require divine guidance.

So I don't consider the uniformity of the Bible to necessarily require divine authorship. I also don't see the differing languages making it remarkable. The Egyption Rosetta stone is famous for having 4 different languages saying the same thing on each of the 4 sides of the stone cube (which was the key to decrypting Egyptian hieroglyphics).

In summary, I do think there is a human explanation for the merits the Bible possesses, and it does possess merits. As I mentioned, I do see the fact that the Bible portraying God as subject to anger and jealousy and willing to condemn as evidence of it's human origins, as I cannot see any possibility God having those traits while still being all-wise, all powerful and all loving. The model I subscribe to does not portray God as having these negative traits. We have instead infinite patience, no condemnation, and yet full accountability. It's altogether more logical than the standard Christian model. To me, everything works better and fits better. And I have to be led by what I honestly see, and not be persuaded by fear, which unfortunately seems to be a persuading element of at least some versions of Christianity.

Thanks for reading.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-12-13   23:34:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Pinguinite (#50)

Ping, I promise to respond in kind to your thoughtful, high contemplative post(s). It's nice for a change to engage in sincere intellectual conversation and challenge without all the noise.

Venting or responding to trolls and trolling may be at times entertaining, but ultimately not as constructive as sharing informative provocative ideas and opinions.

You've cited several meaningful observations while also posing many good and sincere points and questions that do require meaningful answers, and not just some "drive-by" responses.

Thank you for your consideration, patience and willingness to respond AND listen...

I seem also to recall you'd in the past shared your own belief system, which I regretfully failed to respond to. I'll locate and re-read your posts for needed reference. There's a lotta meat I need to catch up on.

Thanks...

Liberator  posted on  2017-12-14   12:07:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Liberator (#51)

Ping, I promise to respond in kind to your thoughtful, high contemplative post(s). It's nice for a change to engage in sincere intellectual conversation and challenge without all the noise.

Venting or responding to trolls and trolling may be at times entertaining, but ultimately not as constructive as sharing informative provocative ideas and opinions.

You've cited several meaningful observations while also posing many good and sincere points and questions that do require meaningful answers, and not just some "drive-by" responses.

Thank you for your consideration, patience and willingness to respond AND listen...

I seem also to recall you'd in the past shared your own belief system, which I regretfully failed to respond to. I'll locate and re-read your posts for needed reference. There's a lotta meat I need to catch up on.

Thanks...

Because of this post, I am interested in going back to find Pinguinite's post and reading that.

The origin of the world, of species, of mind is crucial to everything, and a root issue.

And it is interesting to me to see how my own view of these things has evolved with the knowledge of the existence of a conscious God.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-12-21   11:23:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#57. To: Vicomte13, Pinguinite (#55)

Because of this post, I am interested in going back to find Pinguinite's post and reading that...

It was a good thread. Ping weighed in with his own belief system...

The original convo is around HERE:

(correct me if I'm wrong, Ping)

https://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=37287&Disp=75#C75

I haven't forgotten to follow up. (yes, I know...it's been delayed.)

Liberator  posted on  2017-12-21 13:20:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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