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Title: Amazing Fossils Found in Flood Deposits
Source: Creation Evolution Headlines
URL Source: https://crev.info/2017/12/amazing-fossils-found-flood-deposits/
Published: Dec 4, 2017
Author: David F. Coppedge
Post Date: 2017-12-04 14:21:23 by Liberator
Keywords: Proof, YoungEarth, Creation
Views: 541
Comments: 59

Flood geology explains these unique fossils like slow-and-gradual geology cannot.

Hundreds of Flood-Deposited Pterosaur Eggs Found

It’s all over the news: several hundred well-preserved pterosaur eggs have been uncovered in China, buried by ‘storms’ (floods).

Details and photos can be found here:

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/11/largest-pterosaurs-eggs-discovered-embryos-fossils-paleontology-science/

Hundreds of Pterosaur Eggs Found in Record-Breaking Fossil Haul (National Geographic).

“The eggs fossilized in lake sediments disturbed by fast-moving water, a sign that storms may have flooded a nesting site and sent the eggs bobbing into a large lake, where soupy mud entombed them.” Huge haul of rare pterosaur eggs excites palaeontologists (Nature News). “…they were probably washed together by a storm event…”

FURTHER SOURCES OF THIS DISCOVERY WHICH PROVES YOUNG EARTH CREATION., as well as DISPROVING long-accepted, unproven tradional "scientific" Dating Methodologies.

Fossilized Pterosaur Eggs Hold Perfectly Preserved Embryos Inside (Live Science).

Hundreds of fossilized eggs shed light on pterosaur development (Science Daily).

Fossilised eggs shed light on reign of pterosaurs (BBC News).

“Geological evidence suggests large numbers of the flying reptiles died in a storm in the Early Cretaceous period, about 120 million years ago.”

Hundreds of pterosaur eggs help reveal the early life of flying reptiles (The Conversation).

The lead photo shows the bone bed. Elizabeth Martin-Silverstone writes, “Researchers think this means it was a nesting site that was hit by high-energy storms that transported the pterosaurs and their eggs to a calm lake where they were then turned into fossils.”

The original paper in Science Magazine is titled, “Egg accumulation with 3D embryos provides insight into the life history of a pterosaur.” D. Charles Deeming provided an accompanying article, “How pterosaurs bred,” also in Science Magazine. The researchers are understandably interested in what this rare cache reveals about pterosaur development, but no less interesting is the taphonomy—how they were buried. They were not buried in situ, but were transported by flood waters in storms, probably bobbing in the water till covered quickly by sediments. The paper authors describe the geological setting,

This sedimentological data, associated with the exceptional quantity of eggs and bones, indicate that events of high energy such as storms have passed over a nesting site, causing the eggs to be moved inside the lake where they floated for a short period of time, becoming concentrated and eventually buried along with disarticulated skeletons. Our findings further demonstrate the exceptional conditions necessary for the preservation of such fragile material and can explain the notable paucity of pterosaur eggs and embryos in the paleontological record compared to other reptiles, because the preservation potential of soft-shelled specimens is regarded as very poor.

Multiple floods? National Geographic speculates, “The eggs didn’t wash in all at once: They’re spread out among four distinct sediment layers, suggesting that multiple floods deposited them over time.” Flood geologists know, however, that multiple layers can form in a single event. Additionally, it would seem strange for a flood-damaged area to be used again and again by the creatures (remember the changing story of the Yellowstone fossil forests?).

Convergence again. In a sideshow to the discovery, some evolutionists are asserting that these pterosaurs were “even more like birds” than thought. That doesn’t help the Darwinian tale, however, because evolutionists do not believe birds evolved from pterosaurs. They would have to chalk similarities up to ‘convergent evolution.’ The original paper does, indeed, attribute the nesting similarities to “ecological convergence.” But an even less probable case of convergence arises from considering that both birds and pterosaurs independently “evolved” powered flight. Nature says, “The early life of pterosaurs — the first vertebrates to evolve powered flight — has been a mystery.” Flying insects, of course, “evolved” powered flight earlier—also independently. Adding flying mammals (bats) and birds, that makes four groups of animals that had to independently “converge” on this irreducibly complex capability.

No transitional forms exist to illustrate the emergence of pterosaurs from any other group of extinct reptiles.

Upside-Down Ankylosaur Analyzed

The armored dinosaur Borealopelta made the news again (see 8/31/17). This ankylosaur-type dinosaur, found in Alberta, sported larger armor plates than needed for defense, National Geographic speculates. They think the armor must have been used for sexual display instead. Not stated this time is the fact that most armored dinosaurs are found upside-down in the fossil record, indicating that they drowned in water (see our 8/31/17 report). The article does say, “About 110 million years ago, this plant-eating dinosaur died and wound up at the bottom of an ancient ocean.”

Only anti-creationist prejudice prevents scientists from seeing flood burials occurring in a single event. Whatever is found, it must be force-fitted into the evolutionary worldview. That’s not science; that’s ideology driving belief.


Poster Comment:

Yes, AS advertised by Scripture, the Earth was created by Almighty God thousands of years ago, NOT "Billions."

Many intellectually honest people -- including scientists -- must now wrap their head around several notions which support a Young Earth.

The Great Flood changed the planet, climate, geography, and life dramatically; One of the biggest Mind-Blowers: YES, dinosaurs roamed the earth WITH MAN before the Great Flood! Scripture assures and reinforces what world geography, geology, paleontology, and REAL science must accept.

The usual and current Dating Methodologies did NOT apply as before the Flood.

The entire planet was rocked by Catastrophism events as the Flood covered the entire earth, the crust of the earth opened and flooded the surface of the planet, volcanoes erupted, entire land masses were folded, pushed up, and percolated to form mountains, new continents and seas.

Many folks attribute the Great Flood solely to non-stop rain. This is not the case as per Genesis:

According to Genesis 7:11:

"In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened."

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#1. To: Liberator (#0)

Many intellectually honest people -- including scientists -- must now wrap their head around several notions which support a Young Earth.

Man I'm sick to death of such idiotic voodoo bullshit conclusions. It's like leftists believing in global warming.

Hank Rearden  posted on  2017-12-04   14:43:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Hank Rearden (#1)

yes it is tough, we have been told what happened, but they just don't want to believe it

paraclete  posted on  2017-12-04   17:05:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Hank Rearden (#1)

Man I'm sick to death of such idiotic voodoo bullshit conclusions.

And which "voodoo bullshit conclusions" would they be?

Do you understand the science of Geology and dynamics of sedimentary rock and fossils?

It's like leftists believing in global warming.

Please clarify.

Liberator  posted on  2017-12-05   13:40:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: paraclete, Hank Rearden (#2)

yes it is tough, we have been told what happened, but they just don't want to believe it

"We have been told" what to "believe." See any trend here??

But maybe you can also clarify what we're all supposed to "believe." Can you or Hank explain this discovery of fossils and dinosaur eggs...and how they've supposedly survived MILLIONS of years without disintegrating?

Liberator  posted on  2017-12-05   13:45:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Evolutionists, Creationists (#0)

The above are the result of unimaginable massive catastrophic continental, high velocity tsunamis that have swept and deposited several strata of sand, rock, and organic material over the American southwest...

Look familiar?

Liberator  posted on  2017-12-05   13:53:08 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Hank Rearden (#1)

Man I'm sick to death of such idiotic voodoo bullshit conclusions. It's like leftists believing in global warming.

Asked yourself THIS:

The Global State's fake scientists have been selling their 'Global Warming' voodoo BS based on WHAT??

Yup, Fake Science. Intellectual coercion. A bias and intent based NOT on actual or honest Science," but on politics, virtue signaling, morality...and Wishful Thinking.

Those who DO believe in "Global Warming" are those who readily accept its alleged "revelations" and "science" based on what? Nothing but fake and skewed data, and constant repetition; embedded reinforcement of legitimate "research"; phony consensus... and finally, "Settled Science." They are True Believers In Voodoo Science. Noted scientist and researcher Algore is its High Priest.

The gambit and coercion of the dismissive Elites with respect to "Global Warming" is very same parallel that has corrupted Science as well as discouraged the process of critical thinking for the last 100 years. This PsyOp has applied in the impossibly "proven" case and alleged science/magic of "Evolution." Evolution has been claimed to be as much "settled science" as "Global Warming." Only in this case, proponents of Global Warming at least have circumstantial evidence to support their Fairy Tale.

Liberator  posted on  2017-12-05   14:19:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Liberator (#3) (Edited)

And which "voodoo bullshit conclusions" would they be?

This bullshit conclusion: AS advertised by Scripture, the Earth was created by Almighty God thousands of years ago, NOT "Billions."

Do you blindly believe all the advertising you see?

Hank Rearden  posted on  2017-12-05   14:26:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Liberator (#4)

Can you or Hank explain this discovery of fossils and dinosaur eggs...and how they've supposedly survived MILLIONS of years without disintegrating?

They did disintegrate - they fossilized.

Hank Rearden  posted on  2017-12-05   14:27:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Hank Rearden (#7) (Edited)

This bullshit conclusion: AS advertised by Scripture, the Earth was created by Almighty God thousands of years ago, NOT "Billions."

A) On what "official" authority do you claim no proof of an Almighty God as author of the Universe as well as earth THOUSANDS of years ago?

I cannot claim anything but what's base on the evidence. AS WE SEE IT. Not on what we "wish."

B) On what "official" authority do you base this assertion that the Universe and Earth are "Billions" of years old?

Might the time-frame lynch-pin of "Billions of Years" "Science's" alleged "Dating" methodologies (which are proven to be swinging wildly by millions and billions of years)?

Do you blindly believe all the advertising you see?

The Cult of Voodoo "Science" at the American Museum of Natural History set up "Evolution-of-Man" exhibits for decades based on hoaxes, lies, and ZERO proof that man evolved from ape -- and you have the audacity to ask me if *I* "blindly believe all the advertising you see"??

You've swallowed "Evolution." Why not also "Global Warming"?? It's based on the same blind faith and acceptance of 100% Grade A bullsh*t masquerading as "science."

Did you see those rock strata at Grand Canyon compared to the aftermath at Mt. St. Helens? BOTH were created by the SAME PROCESS.

I'll also ask again -- do you understand the science of geology? Do you understand the process of how fossils and dinosaur eggs are preserved??

Liberator  posted on  2017-12-05   15:29:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Hank Rearden (#8) (Edited)

They did disintegrate - they fossilized.

In the course of normal degradation of matter it takes tens, hundreds or at most perhaps thousand of years to disintegrate. NOT "Millions." Or tens of millions. The dinosaur eggs /bones fosslized are not rotted into nothing. Their form was preserved like a mold.

Moreover, ONLY the process of a rapidly moving Great Flood could flash-bury and preserve bones and matter without oxygen as a facilitator -- instead of nature's course of rotting organic matter away.

Btw, how do you explain the existence/discovery of "75 million year old" T-Rex dinosaur soft-tissue and collagen intact?

Liberator  posted on  2017-12-05   15:37:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Liberator (#10)

why do you bother trying to educate the deniers, they would rather believe the man made tale that men evolved from apes than believe what the creator told us. They don't believe in a creator, they believe it all happened by chance, some eternal role of the dice, and it takes more faith to believe that because they are believing in man, the self appointed god of this world

paraclete  posted on  2017-12-05   20:20:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: paraclete (#11)

why do you bother trying to educate the deniers, they would rather believe the man made tale that men evolved from apes than believe what the creator told us.

They don't believe in a creator, they believe it all happened by chance...

I hear ya. I try because all it takes is a flicker of light for some people for The Truth to finally register. Even if it's 11:59:59 PM.

Your frustration is shared.

It takes more faith to believe that because they are believing in man, the self appointed god of this world.

I don't understand the il-logic either of the equation, "Nothing Created EVERYTHING, and by chance, PERFECTLY."

The above obviously takes far more fanatical faith than a faith in an Almighty Creator God.

Liberator  posted on  2017-12-05   21:18:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Hank Rearden (#1)

The earth is young according to science. Who lied to you, and what do you believe is the reason people are on earth.

One more thing. According to your beliefs it's ok to fuck monkeys.

Do you fuck monkeys?

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-12-06   6:34:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Hank Rearden (#7)

Blind. You're stupid.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-12-06   6:36:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: A K A Stone, Liberator, paraclete (#14) (Edited)

Blind. You're stupid.

You snake-fondlers can feel free to believe whatever you wish, just like the Mooslum deathcult, because there's absolutely no way any human could have cooked up, doctored or even completely rewritten your infallible books in only a couple thousand years of utterly meticulous, curated and witnessed recordkeeping.

Probably not a single word was fabricated to manipulate and take advantage of illiterate rubes along the way because forgery wasn't invented until the 20th Century.

But doesn't it seem even a bit odd that no appearances of any religion's god in the presence of man has occurred since there have been ways to record the event so that everyone can share in the magic? It's all just oral stories by infallible, perfect witnesses.

Yeah, Yeah. Faith. It's a test. Ok.

Hank Rearden  posted on  2017-12-08   13:13:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Hank Rearden (#15)

Yeah, Yeah. Faith. It's a test. Ok.

it's not often you are right but this time you are

paraclete  posted on  2017-12-09   16:09:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: paraclete (#16)

I have faith the Moon is made of cheese. It's faith, you can't disagree or argue.

It's cheese.

Hank Rearden  posted on  2017-12-10   10:32:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Hank Rearden (#15)

You snake-fondlers can feel free to believe whatever you wish

Are you afraid of garter snakes?

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-12-10   17:29:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Hank Rearden (#15)

because there's absolutely no way any human could have cooked up, doctored or even completely rewritten your infallible books in only a couple thousand years of utterly meticulous, curated and witnessed recordkeeping.

You have some valid thoughts and questions. You should give some examples of things you think are rewritten or incorrect.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-12-10   17:31:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Hank Rearden (#15)

But doesn't it seem even a bit odd that no appearances of any religion's god in the presence of man has occurred since there have been ways to record the event so that everyone can share in the magic?

No it doesn't seem odd at all. God works on his timetable and not yours or mine.

I do find it interesting in Revelation chapter where it talks about the mark of the beast. It talks about all men on earth having to take a mark in order to buy or sell. Think how impossible that sounded when written. Well now it is possible. I know that is a bit off subject I just wanted to give you something to think about.

Also on your magic comment. I assume you believe in evolution. Doesn't water and mud turning into people by random chance sound like magic? What did one piece of grass evolve from the mud then it grew and had some seed then it spread across the earth? Its fine to question things you don't know about. But it isn't fair to criticize without explaining what your position is.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-12-10   17:36:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Hank Rearden (#17)

I have faith the Moon is made of cheese

you can believe in moldy cheese if you want to, some believe man walked on the Moon, and didn't find cheese, it's faith

paraclete  posted on  2017-12-11   16:27:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: paraclete (#21)

some believe man walked on the Moon, and didn't find cheese, it's faith

No, it's not. The retroreflectors left there, and images of the landing spots taken by orbiters, prove the insanity of those who challenge science and engineering.

Hank Rearden  posted on  2017-12-12   20:02:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Hank Rearden (#22)

No, it's not. The retroreflectors left there, and images of the landing spots taken by orbiters, prove the insanity of those who challenge science and engineering.

I'm having a hard time reconciling science and engineering with faith, Ok, the Moon might be a bad example, something went there, but you have to have a huge measure of faith to believe the science of AGW, or the science behind we are going to colonise Mars, or any other place for that matter, including the Moon.

Trump is looney to suggest it can be done, particularly on the budget he has available, it is like trying to build the "wall" without more funds. Maybe there is a secret space exploration slush fund, something off the books

paraclete  posted on  2017-12-13   0:40:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Liberator (#0)

Whatever is found, it must be force-fitted into the evolutionary worldview. That’s not science; that’s ideology driving belief.

Any "force fitting" of evidence into a predetermined view is wrong, but it's just as wrong regardless of whether the "force fitting" is to conform to a creationist view as an evolutionary view.

And it does seem to me that if one takes the Biblical story of creation and accepts it as fact, and then proceeds to place all geological & biological evidence into that creationist model/perspective, one is, in fact, engaged in "force fitting".

A true scientist will let the evidence speak for itself.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-12-13   2:00:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Liberator (#5)

I agree the two photos both represent strata well, and will accept that the second photos dates are accurate.

However, there is still a massive difference in scale between the two photos.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-12-13   2:02:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: paraclete (#11)

why do you bother trying to educate the deniers, they would rather believe the man made tale that men evolved from apes than believe what the creator told us. They don't believe in a creator, they believe it all happened by chance, some eternal role of the dice, and it takes more faith to believe that because they are believing in man, the self appointed god of this world

I concur there is a creator, but I have no problem with evolutionary biology being the mechanism of creation.

You say the "creator told us" how we were created, which I assume refers to the Bible. But at the same time, is not belief in the Bible a matter of faith, and not of proof?

Is it fair to demand proof from those who believe in evolution while not requiring proof the Bible is the "Word of God"? Or do you have proof that the Bible is the "Word of God"?

You say that global warming and biological/evolutionary sciences are bogus deceptions from some group of people -- a lot of people -- that had a hand in broadcasting it. But what is the basis for saying they are wrong/liars and those through whom the Bible was written were not?

I hope you don't mind the challenge. I issue it with sincerity.

As for what I believe, I have no problem believing in a creator. I have no problem believing that evolution was probably the manner of how we came to be, and that the earth & universe are as incomprehensibly old as the universe appears to incomprehensibly large. I believe we ARE (not "have") immortal souls, and that what we HAVE are human bodies, and that that is the reason we are spiritually special. Human DNA is nothing any more special than any animal DNA, because our human nature is not why we are special and loved by God.

I consider it completely illogical to suggest that the biochemical event of conception of human DNA gives rise to an immortal soul, while conception of chimpanzee DNA does not.

It is because we are souls that we are special and loved and souls are born of God.

Our human bodies are simply what our souls "rent" for our time on earth, and that they are ultimately expendable (from a spiritual perspective) and of course will be expended.

In this context, evolution has no conflict with our spiritual, immortal soul.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-12-13   2:23:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: A K A Stone (#20)

Also on your magic comment. I assume you believe in evolution. Doesn't water and mud turning into people by random chance sound like magic? What did one piece of grass evolve from the mud then it grew and had some seed then it spread across the earth?

I'd say it sounds like magic regardless of whether it was random chance or divine, intelligent intervention.

As far as I consider it, the first spark of life may well have been divinely conducted, after which evolution may have been the mechanism of life progression. For all we/I know, more intervention may have been conducted every few million years since the first spark of life occurred.

OR... perhaps the laws of the universe were composed to allow for that first spark of life to occur spontaneously and to evolve from there.

I don't know, but it is pretty safe to say it was one or the other, given that we are having this conversation. And whichever it was is not important to me because it has zero impact on my knowledge/faith that we are immortal souls.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-12-13   2:33:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Pinguinite (#24) (Edited)

Any "force fitting" of evidence into a predetermined view is wrong.

A true scientist will let the evidence speak for itself.

Damn, those words of wisdom are good….really good, Pin.
No, hold on….those words of wisdom are great, really great.
It would be even greater if everyone adhered to the intent in those statements.
I wish only that LF idiots could understand the value in your statements.
No sarcasm here and no pun intended.
Only a compliment, a truly heartfelt compliment.
Come up with another “truthism” and then some more of the same importance.
Then….maybe I could start liking you.
Get LF idiots to understand the value in what you are saying and follow it.
Then I could really start liking you….no maybe about it.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-12-13   3:19:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Pinguinite (#27)

And whichever it was is not important to me because it has zero impact on my knowledge/faith that we are immortal souls.

It should be important to you. For if I am correct it means you and everyone is accountable to God.

You used to believe that you say. When you said you were a Christian in the past.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-12-13   7:00:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Pinguinite (#26)

but I have no problem with evolutionary biology being the mechanism of creation.

Even though it didn't happen and cannot be demonstrated. Come on linguine your smarter than that.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-12-13   7:01:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Pinguinite, Gatlin (#26) (Edited)

evolution has no conflict with our spiritual, immortal soul.

I take issue with that statement, I know without a doubt God exists and therefore his Word is not to be doubted. God did not tell us the apes are our brothers, his Word said he created each according to their kind, that he created man and that he knits us together in our mother's womb. For heaven's sake can it be an accident that basically, with few exceptions, there is one method of reproduction

If you choose to believe in a mechanism other than described by Him, you call him a liar, a place you really don't want to be in. There can be no half faith, no each way bet, or a little bit of this and a little bit of that. Ok, he didn't choose to give us all the details in some massive tome no one would read because there were more important things we should know.

paraclete  posted on  2017-12-13   7:01:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: paraclete (#31)

Despite some of my differences of opinion with you. You are always spot on on this topic.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-12-13   7:10:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: A K A Stone (#32)

THANKS

paraclete  posted on  2017-12-13   7:18:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: A K A Stone (#29)

It should be important to you. For if I am correct it means you and everyone is accountable to God.

If I am correct, we are also accountable, fully.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-12-13   8:03:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: A K A Stone (#30)

Even though it didn't happen and cannot be demonstrated. Come on linguine your smarter than that.

Evolution may or may not be demonstrated, but Creationism cannot be demonstrated at all, can it?

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-12-13   8:06:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Pinguinite (#34)

If I am correct, we are also accountable, fully.

In your case accountable without an instruction book. So no one would know what it takes.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-12-13   8:07:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Pinguinite (#35)

Evolution may or may not be demonstrated, but Creationism cannot be demonstrated at all, can it?

Evolution is supposedly a natural thing. So it should be easily demonstratible.

On the other hand creation requires an act of God. So we could never expect to demonstrate it. So instead we have to take the word and see if it lines up with what we know and witness. Reproduce after like kind etc work.

We never ever see creatures or plants morph into something new. Evolution is like a joke played on stupid people who cannot reason.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-12-13   8:11:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Pinguinite (#35)

Evolution may or may not be demonstrated, but

Not maybe or maybe not. For surely not unless you have some new revelation.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-12-13   8:12:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: paraclete (#31)

I know without a doubt God exists and therefore his Word is not to be doubted.

That's quite a leap. I don't see how the latter is a logical conclusion of the former. Muslims would probably say the same about the Koran, and Jews the Old Testament, while rejecting the New. Ditto for numerous other minor faiths.

God exists, therefore, the __________ must be the "Word of God"????

Maybe God exists, and yet the Bible is NOT anything other than a collection of ancient writings that are merely revered & perceived to be the "Word of God"? Maybe some of those writings are divinely inspired, but not all. What is the basis for believing that God ... well... wrote the Bible?

If you don't believe the conclusions of the so-called science community of today, why do you believe what a different community of men wrote down from yesterday?

If you choose to believe in a mechanism other than described by Him, you call him a liar, a place you really don't want to be in.

If one receives a message claiming to be from someone special, but is unsure or even does not believe it is from that person then that is not calling the alleged writer a liar, and accusing someone of doing so is disingenuous.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-12-13   8:26:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: A K A Stone (#36)

In your case accountable without an instruction book. So no one would know what it takes.

Christianity claims one should have a "personal relationship" with God. You have many personal relationships with others, but how many instruction books do you have for those relationships?

If you truly know someone, why do you need an instruction book to know what that person is like and how you should relate to them? Why wouldn't you simply "know" those things as you know them with others in your life?

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-12-13   8:33:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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