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Title: Sex Allegations Against Roy Moore Send Republicans Reeling(Liars!!!!)
Source: New York Slimes
URL Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/09/ ... l-roy-moore-sex-teenagers.html
Published: Nov 10, 2017
Author: Staff Liars: RICHARD FAUSSET, JONATHAN M
Post Date: 2017-11-10 09:04:39 by IbJensen
Keywords: None
Views: 144
Comments: 13

ATLANTA — Republicans in Washington seemed near panic Thursday in the light of a news report in which four women said Roy S. Moore, the Republican nominee for a United States Senate seat in Alabama and an evangelical Christian, had made sexual or romantic overtures to them when they were teenagers and he was in his 30s. Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican majority leader, said Mr. Moore should step aside ahead of the Dec. 12 special election if the allegations were true.

But in Alabama, the fallout was uncertain for a candidate who is considered a hero in some circles for his conservative cultural stances. Mr. Moore, the former chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court, was twice removed from that office for his positions on gay marriage and a Ten Commandments display. On Thursday, he strenuously denied the allegations the women made about him in on-the-record interviews included in the report, published by The Washington Post.

And it was clear that many in his conservative base were in no mood to desert him in a race for a Senate seat Republicans consider crucial to maintaining their majority in the upper chamber.

John Skipper, 66, a former chair of the Mobile County Republican Party, declared the allegations “total contrived media garbage.” Mr. Skipper said that he would still support the candidate and that he figured most of the Alabama Republicans he knew would probably do the same.

“Most of them will not be shocked,” he said, “and will rather be expecting these shenanigans being pulled by the Democrats as standard operating procedure.”

If the snowball that started rolling with Weinstein keeps getting bigger day after day , I would not be surprised to see more women come... alan 41 minutes ago

Not really surprised. People in the south have a different morality. The age of consent is much lower there than more liberal areas of the... Mike Livingston 41 minutes ago

This is a serious allegation, but it's also forty years old and suspiciously timed My instinct is Moore survives it and gets to the Senate...

Whether Mr. Skipper’s prediction proves true remains to be seen. But the report unquestionably introduced new waves of uncertainty and turmoil into a race for the Senate seat vacated by Jeff Sessions, the attorney general.

The women cited in The Washington Post article said that Mr. Moore had pursued them in the 1970s and 1980s when he was a lawyer in his early 30s.

Mr. Moore was defiant, denying the charges and attacking the news media.

“These allegations are completely false and are a desperate political attack by the National Democrat Party and The Washington Post on this campaign,” he said in a statement. He later attributed the news to “The Obama-Clinton Machine’s liberal media lap dogs.”

Brett Doster, an adviser to Mr. Moore, said the candidate would “absolutely not” drop out of the race, calling the charges “a fabricated November surprise.”

Others in Alabama shrugged at the allegations. “There’s nothing to see here,” said Jim Zeigler, the state auditor and a longtime supporter of Mr. Moore. “Single man, early 30s, never been married, dating teenage girls. Never been married and he liked younger girls. According to The Washington Post account he never had sexual intercourse with any of them.”

But Mr. Moore’s candidacy appears to be in grave danger. Senate Republicans moved en masse to distance themselves from their nominee almost as soon as the news article was posted.

A statement from Vice President Mike Pence said: “The Vice President found the allegations in the story disturbing and believes, if true, this would disqualify anyone from serving in office.”

That statement was repeated by numerous Republicans, including the president who was traveling in Asia.

“Like most Americans the president believes we cannot allow a mere allegation, in this case one from many years ago, to destroy a person’s life,” Sarah Sanders, the White House press secretary, said in statement from Danang, Vietnam, where the president is attending an economic summit meeting. “However, the president also believes that if these allegations are true, Judge Moore will do the right thing and step aside.”

“If these allegations are true, his candidacy is not sustainable,” said Senator John Cornyn of Texas, the second-ranking Republican. Mr. Cornyn said he wanted to know more before withdrawing his endorsement of Mr. Moore.

The party, already reeling from the election losses they suffered on Tuesday, is defending a two-seat majority in the Senate and faces a handful of difficult elections next year.

Mr. Moore’s candidacy had already worried party leaders who had embraced Mr. Moore despite his long record of incendiary comments about gays, Muslims and African-Americans.

Alabama election law indicates, with little ambiguity, that the deadline has passed for candidates to be replaced on the ballot. The state election code says a candidate who wishes to withdraw from a race must do so 76 days before Election Day. The Alabama vote is in little more than a month.

“It’s too late to substitute a candidate,” said John Merrill, the Alabama secretary of state, a Republican. “Judge Moore will be the candidate on the balot with this election cycle remaining on the schedule it’s currently on.”

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Senator Lisa Murkowski, Republican of Alaska, who ran her own successful write-in campaign in 2010, said: “If in fact what I just read is true, he needs to get out of this race immediately. I think it’s pretty clear cut.”

She called for Senator Luther Strange, who was appointed to fill Mr. Sessions’s seat but lost to Mr. Moore in a bitterly contested Republican runoff in September, to run as a write-in.

One of the women, Leigh Corfman, told The Washington Post that she was 14 when Mr. Moore, 32 at the time, drove her to his home in Gadsden, Ala. He took off her shirt and touched her bra and underwear while also guiding her hand over his pants, Ms. Corfman told The Post.

“I wanted it over with — I wanted out,” she told the newspaper.

CNN reported that it had spoken with Ms. Corfman’s stepfather, who said the family “stands by” what was reported in The Post.

Republican leaders are in a politically perilous situation, saddled with an embattled nominee unwilling to step aside in one of the country’s most conservative states. The charges reignited hostilities between Mr. McConnell’s political allies, who poured millions of dollars into the campaign to stop Mr. Moore, and President Trump’s former chief strategist Stephen K. Bannon, who rallied support for the former justice.

“This is what happens when you let reckless, incompetent idiots like Steve Bannon go out and recruit candidates who have absolutely no business running for the U.S. Senate,” said Josh Holmes, a former McConnell aide.

Mr. Bannon did not immediately reply to text messages or phone calls, but Breitbart posted an article with Mr. Moore’s statement shortly before The Post published its report.

Steven Law, the head of a McConnell-aligned “super PAC” that led an onslaught against Mr. Moore in the Republican runoff, did not wait for a guilty verdict before he excoriated Breitbart for “defending ‘consensual’ sex between a 32-year-old and a 16-year-old.”

Private polling by both parties has shown that while Mr. Moore retains a passionate following among conservatives, he is a deeply divisive figure among more moderate Republicans, and some party officials now worry that the charges will convince moderates to stay home or vote for the Democratic candidate, Doug Jones, a former United States attorney.

The Jones campaign said in a statement that “Roy Moore needs to answer these serious charges.”

Cleveland Poole, the chairman of the Republican Party in rural Butler County, said those most likely to defect were not ardent Moore supporters but voters who already have doubts. “They are going to be put off by it and might well stay home,” he said.

In a statement, Gov. Kay Ivey, a Republican, called the allegations “deeply disturbing,” and said she would withhold judgment until “we know the facts.” Senator Richard Shelby, the dean of the state’s congressional delegation, told reporters in Washington that if the charges were accurate “he wouldn’t belong in the Senate.”

Mr. Doster, the adviser to Mr. Moore, said the candidate’s campaign chairman, Bill Armistead, had talked to members of Alabama’s congressional delegation after the report broke. “Everybody has been supportive,” Mr. Doster said.

But a Republican familiar with the conversation said the House members on the call had told Mr. Armistead it was imperative that they aggressively respond to the article or risk losing support from the party’s elected officials.

Randy Brinson, president of the Christian Coalition of Alabama, said he expected voters would mostly give Mr. Moore the benefit of the doubt.

“Until I see something different, I would support Roy Moore because of what he says he’s going to do and who he is as a person,” Mr. Brinson said.

Mr. Zeigler said the account given by Ms. Corfman was “the only part that is concerning.” As Mr. Zeigler described it: “He went a little too far and he stopped.”

Had the girl been 16 at the time and not 14, he added, “it would have been perfectly acceptable.”

For Democrats, the prospect of a wounded Mr. Moore was a gift.

“This is revolting and the Republican Party and everybody’s who endorsed Roy Moore needs to disavow his candidacy right now and ask him to withdraw,” said Senator Chris Van Hollen of Maryland, who leads the Senate Democratic campaign arm.

Until recently, few Democratic officials believed that Mr. Jones could topple Mr. Moore in a state that has not elected a Democrat to the Senate since 1992, and Democrats have debated fiercely whether to commit resources to the race. Now many think they have a chance to shrink the Republican majority to a single seat and potentially snatch the majority next year. Correction: November 9, 2017


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The slimy Times and the Communist-Republican Party delights in fabricating false smears just before an election! I don't believe this garbage for one minute.

Roy Moore's main accuser Leigh Corfman has had three divorces and major financial problems. Filed for bankruptcy three times, once in 1991 with $139,689 in unpaid claims. She has had multiple issues with the IRS and has been charged with multiple misdemeanors as well. Hmm....

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#1. To: IbJensen (#0)

John Skipper, 66, a former chair of the Mobile County Republican Party, declared the allegations “total contrived media garbage.” Mr. Skipper said that he would still support the candidate and that he figured most of the Alabama Republicans he knew would probably do the same.

I recall how the Dems faked up charges against Alaska senator Stevens.

In 2008, Stevens was embroiled in a federal corruption trial as he ran for re-election to the Senate. He was found guilty, and eight days later was narrowly defeated at the polls.[4] Stevens is the most senior U.S. Senator to have ever lost a reelection bid. However, prior to sentencing, the indictment was dismissed—effectively vacating the conviction—when a Justice Department probe found evidence of gross prosecutorial misconduct.[5] Many have argued the prosecution was unfair and politically motivated.

Along with massive voter fraud in Minnesota resulting in the election of fraud senator Al Franken, these two seats gave Dems their 60-vote majority to pass 0dingaCare.

So I'm not ready to believe this. They've cried wolf at the last minute many times before. They tried it on Trump as well.

Moore should stay in the race. The GOP doesn't have to back him; they just need to shut up unless there is compelling physical evidence to back these unsubstantiated accusations.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-11-10   9:59:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: IbJensen (#0)

OK. Show of hands. Who supported this guy over Trump-backed Luther Strange?

misterwhite  posted on  2017-11-10   10:10:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: IbJensen (#0)

Roy Moore's main accuser Leigh Corfman has had three divorces and major financial problems.

And the other three accusers? Any dirt on them? Gossip? Rumor? Innuendo?

misterwhite  posted on  2017-11-10   10:12:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Tooconservative (#1)

Moore should stay in the race.

No choice.

"The notification deadline for persons who do not wish to accept nomination in a general election is 76 days before the date of the election. In the event that a candidate submits a notification of withdrawal after the applicable deadline, the name of the candidate shall remain on the ballot and the appropriate canvassing board may not certify any votes for the candidate."

But hey, we will still have a majority and can pass whatever we want, whenever we want. Right?

misterwhite  posted on  2017-11-10   10:18:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: IbJensen (#0)

Has Roy Moore stepped forward and said: All of these claims are lies. I never did any of these things.

Even better: And I am swearing out an affidavit, under penalty of perjury, to this effect.

And even better still: Also, I am suing all four of them for libel: they have falsely accused me of crimes that I did not commit.

When men, instead of being enraged by the lies and the attempt at destruction and going right for the throat of the liars who attack them, sound like lawyers: "allegations", "no evidence" - that means they did it.

Now, should crimes past the statute of limitations disqualify a man for office?

I myself personally do not think so. But many partisan people say it does...when the unindicted criminal is on the other side. When he is on their own side, they say it doesn't matter.

I am not so flexible in my morality. If Roy Moore sexually harrassed four women 30 years ago, it does not disqualify him from office in my eyes. The statute of limitations has long run.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-11-10   11:07:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Vicomte13 (#5)

Has Roy Moore stepped forward and said: All of these claims are lies. I never did any of these things.

Yes, he has. He also says he's filing a defamation suit against WaPo, the source of the story.

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Tooconservative  posted on  2017-11-10   11:23:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Vicomte13 (#5)

Now, should crimes past the statute of limitations disqualify a man for office?

There's no choice in that matter, as if an alleged crime is past the SoL, there can be no trial to judicially determine if the alleged crime was in fact an actual crime. Ergo, disqualifying one from office on a mere allegation that cannot be proven would necessarily be a deprivation of due process. Arguably, it would violate one's first amendment rights.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-11-10   11:43:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Tooconservative (#6)

That's fantastic! That's what innocent people do: they counterattack, and they go after the people who defame them, no holds barred.

People who are guilty talk about "evidence" and "allegations". People who are innocent go for the throat of their attackers.

Politicians almost NEVER go for the jugular, because they're usually guilty. Glad to see Moore is doing it.

But is he suing the WOMEN also, or just the Washington Post?

That's a key distinction. If he goes after the individual women, then he has to stand up for cross-examination and be right there in court attacking them.

Going after the paper is good, but some aggressive politicians do that.

Going right after the individuals and seeking to annihilate THEM - THAT is the true mark of innocence. You lied about me, you attacked me out of nowhere. You did damage. And now you, personally, are going down.

That would seal the deal. It would be best if he attacked each of the women who have attacked him by suing each of them and, to the extent they filed any affidavits, by pressing charges for false official statements, perjury, the whole gamut.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-11-10   11:46:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Pinguinite (#7)

There's no choice in that matter, as if an alleged crime is past the SoL, there can be no trial to judicially determine if the alleged crime was in fact an actual crime. Ergo, disqualifying one from office on a mere allegation that cannot be proven would necessarily be a deprivation of due process. Arguably, it would violate one's first amendment rights.

What I meant by "disqualify" was not legal. I didn't mean: "Can he be barred from running." What I meant was: does this ancient act bar me from voting for him. The answer is no.

If he murdered puppies, then yes, I would probably not vote for him.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-11-10   12:35:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: misterwhite (#3)

All the fabricators need ato do is to drag a $100 bill through a trailer park.

Liberals are like Slinkys. They're good for nothing, but somehow they bring a smile to your face as you shove them down the stairs.

IbJensen  posted on  2017-11-10   15:48:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: IbJensen (#10)

All the fabricators need ato do is to drag a $100 bill through a trailer park.

But when they do that, the people who take the money and tell the lies need to be directly attacked by the victims with the full force of the law. Specifically, they need to be sued, and their lawyers need to demand full discovery against these folks, giving them the choice to divulge who set them up in exchange for being let off the hook. If they resist, they need to be utterly destroyed, left homeless, made an example of - what little they have, stripped away.

They will cooperate. Then the operatives - Democrat AND Republicans, who play these games need to THEMSELVES be sued and have discovery applied to them, to the full extent of the law. Absolutely exhaust and bankrupt everybody who takes the money and participates, and out the sources. Climb the ladder and force the people who use these tactics to spend their money on legal defense - which they can't win - and go after them.

I'm disappointed that, given the election, Trump has not to my knowledge launched a full investigation of voter and election fraud in the United States. It CAN be stopped, if there is a willingness to spend the resources and destroy the people to do it.

The lack of willingness to clean up the system is because both Democrats and Republicans rely heavily on electoral fraud to get the results they want in the localities they control.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-11-10   16:21:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Vicomte13 (#11)

Excellent points.

Liberals are like Slinkys. They're good for nothing, but somehow they bring a smile to your face as you shove them down the stairs.

IbJensen  posted on  2017-11-10   16:45:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Pinguinite (#7)

"... if an alleged crime is past the SoL, there can be no trial to judicially determine if the alleged crime was in fact an actual crime."

Good point. As Ray Donovan famously said, "Which office do I go to to get my reputation back?"

misterwhite  posted on  2017-11-11   10:09:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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