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Title: Never Forget: The US Gov’t Carried Out the Largest Church Massacre—24 Years Ago, In Texas
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Free Thought Project
URL Source: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/me ... urch-massacre-us-history-waco/
Published: Nov 8, 2017
Author: Matt Agorist
Post Date: 2017-11-09 05:42:44 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 2837
Comments: 33
On Sunday, a horrifying tragedy unfolded as a mass shooting terrorist walked into a Texas church and began slaughtering innocent women, men, and children. The massacre left 26 people dead, according to police, including an unborn child who died inside his pregnant mother. On Wednesday, the names of the deceased were released along with the heartbreaking photos of the children, two of which were only 5 and 7-years-old. The tragedy is being dubbed the deadliest mass shooting in Texas history. Sadly, there have been many deadly massacres which have taken place inside places of worship. From the 16th Street Baptist Church bombing to the Charleston Church shooting to Sutherland Springs, over the years, psychotic terrorists have gone into churches and indiscriminately taken innocent lives. Now, some of those in the mainstream media are calling Sutherland Springs the deadly massacre in a church in US history. However, the actual largest church massacre in history had a far greater death toll. The US government carried out the deadliest church massacre in history and it led to the deaths of 82 men, women, and children. It all came to a violent end 24 years ago in Texas. Our source material comes from the FBI’s own vault, which contains two files on the case against Vernon Howell, also known as David Koresh. Koresh was the leader of the “Branch Davidians Seventh Day Adventists.” According to the FBI case file, Koresh was believed to have been holding people against their will at his compound in Waco, Texas, potentially guilty of “involuntary servitude and slavery” charges. In 1992, Child Protective Services (CPS) was called in to investigate the accusations. After a thorough investigation, CPS concluded no one was being held at the compound against their will, nor any child abuse, and the federal prosecutor, who reviewed the report, saw no reason to prosecute Koresh. On October 16th, 1992, the FBI closed the case against Koresh and the allegations he was abusing children and holding his followers against their will. Still, however, the FBI proceeded with investigating other allegations the Branch Davidians had converted semi-automatic AR-15 (assault) rifles into fully automatic ones, a violation of federal law. Also alleged was that the group was planning a mass suicide. The FBI concluded, “no information has been developed to verify the accuracy of the allegations.” Still, the FBI put local law enforcement on notice. Despite having no concrete evidence Koresh, who some have said was delusional, had violated anyone’s civil rights, or abused any children, the investigation into the weapons violations continued. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives pursued the allegations the group was stockpiling weapons and explosives. According to the ATF, the bureau found: 136 FIREARMS, INCLUDING ASSAULT RIFLES AND HANDGUNS 700+ MAGAZINES FOR THOSE FIREARMS 200,000+ ROUNDS OF VARIOUS AMMUNITION 110 UPPER AND LOWER RECEIVERS FOR AR15/M16 RIFLES GRENADE-LAUNCHER ATTACHMENTS FOR AR15/M16 RIFLES 400+ EMPTY M31 RIFLE GRENADES, ALONG WITH BLACK POWDER AND OTHER EXPLOSIVE CHEMICALS Wishing to further investigate the compound’s armory, the ATF secured a search warrant and attempted to raid the compound on February 28th, 1993. The Davidians, possibly feeling they must protect their home, property, and persons from the intruders, opened fire on the federal agents, an action which led to the deaths of several ATF agents and compound members. FOUR ATF AGENTS (SA TODD MCKEEHAN, SA CONWAY LEBLEU, SA ROBERT WILLIAMS AND SA STEVEN WILLIS) WERE KILLED; 20 ATF AGENTS WOUNDED FROM GUNSHOTS OR SHRAPNEL AND 8 SUFFERED OTHER INJURIES. SIX DAVIDIANS WERE ALSO REPORTEDLY KILLED AND FOUR WOUNDED FROM GUNSHOTS, ALTHOUGH THIS COULD NOT BE FORENSICALLY PROVEN BECAUSE OF THE LATER DESTRUCTION (BY FIRE) OF THE COMPOUND. The raid initiated a 51-day standoff with the ATF as well as the FBI. Koresh released 24 members from the compound, who were mostly children, and continued the stand-off with authorities which was broadcast daily across the country until day 51 arrived. On that day, the government brought in heavy equipment and penetrated the compound with a tank-like machine which pumped the compound full of CS Gas. What happened next, in the minds of many who saw it, can only be likened to a horror film. To this day, the ATF maintains the fire was, “set by cult members, as law enforcement attempted to force them out by introducing tear gas into the building.” And for years, following the fiery destruction of the compound, the FBI maintained the same story line. However, in 1999, then-Attorney General Janet Reno made the following admission, “I am very, very troubled by the information I received this week suggesting that pyrotechnic devices may have been used in the early morning hours on April the 19th, 1993, at Waco. At this time, all available indications are that the devices were not directed at the main wooden compound, were discharged several hours before the fire started, and were not the cause of the fire. Nonetheless, it is absolutely critical that we do everything humanly possible to learn all the facts as accurately as possible and make them available to the public and Congress.” Those facts, according to some of the survivors of the fire, who were inside at the time the fire broke out, are undeniable. They are convinced the government used incendiary devices to set ablaze the tear gas which had been pumped into the building. And they’re not alone. According to CBS News, “Independent filmmaker Michael McNulty came upon some evidence that appeared damaging to the government. He found a shell casing from a certain type of tear gas round that could start a fire – a device the Justice Department had denied using for more than six years – publicly and to Congress.” That shell casing led to Reno’s acknowledgment, but the government still has not taken full responsibility, as Reno denied the devices were used to penetrate the building. Questions still remain as to why they would be used at all. Even though it was later determined Koresh had, indeed, molested children, and was by all intents and purposes a pedophile of the worst kind, the fact remains. The government used gas and allegedly fired on its own people which either directly or indirectly led to the deaths of 76 people — inside a church. Sadly, there was no outcry and this incident serves as a brutal reminder of what can happen when the US government makes up its mind to take out those they disagree with.
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#1. To: Deckard (#0)
Those with the mental sickness called the Jim Jones complex, would take his secrets to the grave. All that evidence of all those little kiddies he was fucking... up in flames. How brave of him. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Lying sack of shit. A six-month investigation of child abuse allegations by the Texas Child Protection Services in 1992 failed to turn up any evidence Go and eat a bullet you cowardly fuckstain. That's because his victims all died in the fire... like Jim Jones's Kool-Aid I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
You're a sick fuck, taking delight in the murder of innocent men, women and children at the hands of the almighty fed.gov that you slavishly worship. You need to be put down like a rabid dog. I remember at one point during congressional testimony well after the fact listening to a young girl read a statement before congress very plainly and explicitly describing how she was sexually abused by Koresh. While what she said was quite shocking, The emotionless and rapid manner in which she read the statement was also peculiar. Years later, also before Congress, we all heard a young woman describe how Iraqi troops went into a Kuwaiti hospital and mercilessly removed premature babies from their incubators. And after it was uncovered that this woman, the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to the US, was lying, I thought of the young girl's claim about Koresh and wondered if that was similarly fabricated to have the intended effect of ending any public scrutiny about what happened at Waco. Today, I don't know if there is any truth to claims Koresh molested children, as the gov's word on it simply can't be trusted on the matter.
Bottom line. Moreover, because Koresh was a molester, a perv, and vicious mental patient, it still didn't give Reno, Klinton, the Dems, and BATF the right to execute/incinerate the OTHER 25 human beings as "collateral damage." Reno was authorized by Bubba to commit mass murder. Tack on 26 more cases of "The Body Count" on the board, and one more reason the Klintons should be in jail serving 100 consecutive life-terms. I reckon The Almighty will have to take care of the "Life Sentence." Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
The kids, GI. THE KIDS deserved to die? Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
Waco, Ruby Ridge and many more places where the Central Socialist Government decided to kill those who fail to kowtow. They like shooting them in the back and killing them when they're holding a baby in their hands!
Liberals are like Slinkys. They're good for nothing, but somehow they bring a smile to your face as you shove them down the stairs.
Many have denied that the WACO raid was NOT a publicity raid. Therefore, can someone tell me why Koresh was NOT arrested in town, or out on the public road ? It has been stated many times that he frequently went into town, and went on daily runs down the road. So why was he not arrested then ? And please, no verbose BS answers ! Thanks in advance for logical answer ! Regards ! Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
All the pro statist, pro democrat, pro clinton kool aide drinkers seem to always ignore that fact !! It interferes with their Agenda !!! Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
Moreover, because Koresh was a molester, a perv, and vicious mental patient, it still didn't give Reno, Klinton, the Dems, and BATF the right to execute/incinerate the OTHER 25 human beings as "collateral damage."----- Liberator When the definitive history of this era is written, 100 or more years from now, you can bet Waco will go down as one of our govt's most heinous acts.
Re-read everything I've post to Deckard... nowhere did I even come close to saying ANYONE deserved to die. All I tried to point out is that DECKTARD was bragging about how there was evidence of child abuse... because all the children (and evidence) died or was destroyed... how convienant for the Jim Jones clone. Just because dead children couldn't be interviewed regarding rape by that twisted Sick fuck, hardly means he was a saint. You've got to read better. Just because DECKTARD will toss yellow journalism, and bamboozal the sheeple into thinking I like dead kids... doesn't mean you get a free pass because you only read Decktard s propaganda. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Arresting him in town, doesn't find evidence in his compound... and while they are arresting the cults Jesus.... the cult finds out and destroys evidence. They obviously were all prepared to DIE to keep their GODS secrets. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Arresting him in town, doesn't find evidence in his compound... and while they are arresting the cults Jesus.... the cult finds out and destroys evidence. They obviously were all prepared to DIE to keep their GODS secrets. ---- GrandIsland Sure sounds to me like grandisland is making excuses for the authorities... The evidence in his compound was in the months of babes, and their mothers. --- And we all know who shut up those voices...
you would have ThoughT The 1sT chance They had They would have run ouT of There Love If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !
you would have ThoughT The 1sT chance They had They would have run ouT of There They thought they would be OK inside the Safe? Room.. Little did they know the feds would burn them out. It still pisses me off... And I don't like cults or cultists..
There is disputing reports who really started the fire. After 60 plus days of acting like a Jim Jones/Decktard... should be enough probable cause to believe they weren't coming out ALIVE... as THEIR CHOICE. You mean to tell me not ONE structure occupant couldn't have snuck out over those 60 plus days or during the time before that fire got to the point they couldn't jump out a window? I don't think much of kooks that make those choices for their infant children. They should have sent EVERY CHILD UNDER 18 OUT, over the 60 plus days. Sick fucks... that some of you folks make excuses for. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
I don't think much of kooks that make those choices for their infant children. They should have sent EVERY CHILD UNDER 18 OUT, over the 60 plus days. Sick fucks... that some of you folks make excuses for. Do you ever bother to read previous posts? At #16 I had answered both of your stupid questions,- prior to you making them. As to making excuses, there again you're being an idiot. Something you're good at.
If memory serves I think one did. Look it up, and if true, you can feel dumb yet again.
Koresh had a regular appointment in town every two weeks for a haircut. additionally, when in town he would visit the local sheriff with whom he had a cordial relationship. At the start of the Waco siege the first shots were fired by the feds. They shot a kennel full of Davidian dogs claiming it was to keep the dogs from giving their attack away. The explanation given by the feds for their actions in a complete fabrication of lies. I didn't care for the Davidiens and would not have cared to join their club. Having said that, I could have lived on land next to them in peace. There is no substantiated evidence that they ever bothered anybody. Had we a president at that time, instead of a goof, he would have moved a platoon of special forces in to arrest the feds and indict the feds for attempted murder.
How egotistical of you. To sit there and expect another poster to not ask questions, just because YOU already know the answers and have posted your opinion. I ain't buying your hates da police answers... any more than I'll buy into your conspiracy theory against the government... when it suits your AGENDA. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
One????? Was there only one window on that Shit box... over the course of 60 plus days? Keep making excuses for Jim Jones wanna be kook and his BLIND abused SHEEP. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Grandiose, --- To sit there and expect another poster to not ask questions, just because YOU already know the answers and have posted your opinion. I ain't buying your hates da police answers... any more than I'll buy into your conspiracy theory against the government... when it suits your AGENDA. As usual you miss the point in that you didn't make any counter to my answers, because likely, you had none. And trying to say I hate cops is stupid. I've had good friends that were cops, but they weren't stupid.
You mean to tell me not ONE structure occupant couldn't have snuck out over those 60 plus days --- If memory serves I think one did. Look it up, and if true, you can feel dumb yet again. One????? Was there only one window on that Shit box... over the course of 60 plus days? There were numerous windows, as even an idiot like you knows. You ok? That's a pretty weird comment. Maybe you're drunk again?
All insults... no substance. Who's drinking? I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Oh, the irony! Oh, the irony! I'm sure no one noticed the 12_hour delayed reply, while the drunk sobered up.
True. My apologies for any misconstrued inference that you may have been indifferent about the kids' deaths. I did re-read everything... There seems to be no "propaganda," which is defined as slanted reports designed to create false impressions in order to damage people or institutions. UNLESS I missed something. I certainly agree with you that Koresh and his co-cultists were brainwashed and evil. But that had NOTHING to do with "Jesus"; Koresh and the nutty parents/adults were actually ANTI-Christ. In this particular case, the Clintons, Gubmint and LE got away with bloody mass murder. And we NEVER did get a true investigation or learn why this operation went down. Seems the feral gubmint is always pushing for fascist overreach whenever a Democrat Admin takes over the reigns of LE. FACTS-without-emotion: 1) We know the children were innocent. IF you're really interested in the Big Picture... Waco wasn't actually about Koresh; It was IMO a "toe-in-the-water" so to speak, an "official" operation intended to gauge the reaction and degree of outrage when certain demos are targeted while the US Constitution is trampled as over-officious, paramilitary LE act like Stormtroopers. Klinton targeted Waco and Ruby Ridge with unconstitutional ops. Many say Oklahoma City was a op intended to demonized Rush Limbaugh and "conservative" radio. Both the Klintons AND 0bamas and their respective fascist Goon Squad Agys and LE targeted conservatives. WITH IMPUNITY. Lois Lerner, Eric Holder, and various other subversive Alphabet gestapo prove that. The MSM and Dem/GOPe Congress backs THEM up. Seems we ALL ought to fight as allies in this battle. Obviously I'm nobody's saint here, but if you and Deckard are going to have a personal pissing contest, it would help if the actual facts could be discussed. FWIW, in my mind, YOU don't represent bad LE or Zombie Stormtroopers. And Deckard doesn't rep Cheech and Chong. Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
The explanation given by the feds for their actions in a complete fabrication of lies. Great simplification of truthful observations completely ignored/overlooked/excused by the Mainstream Media AND Congress. The Feds set up the whole shebang, inviting the MSM to tape/film the entire sordid mess. Tanks and all. This was arguably one of the very first overt PsyOps perpetrated on Americans. We NEVER saw unhinged crap like that during Reagan's eight years. The feral goob has been lying through their teeth for a loooong time. Without any fear or reservations of crossing the line of decency or "Constitutional." Knowing full well that the MSM won't reports on the Monkey Business of DEMOCRATS emboldens these fascists. Isn't it amazing that despite this common knowledge of Waco's more insidious facts that ZERO indictments were handed down? There seems to be no such thing as "Feral Overreach" during Democrat regimes. Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
When I make a "Jesus" or "God" reference... it's only sarcasm... as his sick twisted flock looked at him as such. That's what it takes to get your whole flock to drink cyanide or WILLINGLY burn to death for you. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Willingly? They were gassed and burned to death by your federal government. The only idiots that can't figure out how to exit a structure FOR OVER 60 DAYS... with multiple doors and windows are brainwashed SHEEP or maybe a Paultard that's been smoking too much weed. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
10-4 Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
Koresh
#2. To: GrandIsland (#1)
All that evidence of all those little kiddies he was fucking...
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#3. To: Deckard (#2)
A six-month investigation of child abuse allegations by the Texas Child Protection Services in 1992 failed to turn up any evidence
#4. To: GrandIsland (#3)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#5. To: Deckard (#2)
#6. To: Pinguinite, Deckard (#5)
(Edited)
Today, I don't know if there is any truth to claims Koresh molested children, as the gov's word on it simply can't be trusted on the matter.
#7. To: GrandIsland (#3)
His victims all died in the fire... like Jim Jones's Kool-Aid
#8. To: Deckard (#0)
#9. To: Deckard, All (#0)
#10. To: Deckard (#2)
" A six-month investigation of child abuse allegations by the Texas Child Protection Services in 1992 failed to turn up any evidence "
#11. To: Pinguinite, Liberator. Y'ALL (#5)
Pinguinite, ----- Today, I don't know if there is any truth to claims Koresh molested children, as the gov's word on it simply can't be trusted on the matter.
#12. To: Liberator (#7)
The kids, GI. THE KIDS deserved to die?
#13. To: Stoner (#9)
(Edited)
can someone tell me why Koresh was NOT arrested in town, or out on the public road ?
#14. To: GrandIsland, Stoner, Y'ALL (#13)
Stoner (#9) (Edited) ---- can someone tell me why Koresh was NOT arrested in town, or out on the public road ?
#15. To: tpaine (#14)
boris
#16. To: BorisY (#15)
(Edited)
The evidence in his compound was in the mouths of babes, and their mothers. --- And we all know who shut up those voices.
#17. To: tpaine (#14)
#18. To: GrandIsland (#17)
You mean to tell me not ONE structure occupant couldn't have snuck out over those 60 plus days or during the time before that fire got to the point they couldn't jump out a window?
#19. To: GrandIsland (#17)
You mean to tell me not ONE structure occupant couldn't have snuck out over those 60 plus days ---
#20. To: Stoner (#9)
Therefore, can someone tell me why Koresh was NOT arrested in town, or out on the public road ? It has been stated many times that he frequently went into town, and went on daily runs down the road. So why was he not arrested then ?
#21. To: tpaine (#18)
At #16 I had answered both of your stupid questions,- prior to you making them.
#22. To: tpaine (#19)
#23. To: GrandIsland (#21)
Do you ever bother to read previous posts? At #16 I had answered both of your stupid questions,- prior to you making them.
#24. To: GrandIsland (#22)
GrandIsland (#17)
#25. To: tpaine (#24)
You ok? That's a pretty weird comment. Maybe you're drunk again?
#26. To: GrandIsland, tpaine (#25)
All insults... no substance.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#27. To: Deckard, y'all grandrunkenone (#26)
GrandIsland, --- All insults... no substance.
#28. To: GrandIsland, Deckard (#12)
Re-read everything I've post to Deckard... nowhere did I even come close to saying ANYONE deserved to die.
2) Koresh and his flock even if brainwashed were STILL evil and abusive.
3) Klinton Admin officials, his Alphabet Agys and LE ALL followed orders to engage in an illegal paramilitary operation.
4) The Klintons and his admin officials were already proven pathological liars and conspirators, who ostensibly performed a mass murder/execution at Waco with total impunity.
5) The Klintons, Reno, and Alphabet Agys/LE were all accomplices in a highly illegal, unconstitutional act of terrorism and mass murder of civilians.
#29. To: rlk (#20)
At the start of the Waco siege the first shots were fired by the feds. They shot a kennel full of Davidian dogs claiming it was to keep the dogs from giving their attack away.
#30. To: Liberator (#28)
I certainly agree with you that Koresh and his co-cultists were brainwashed and evil. But that had NOTHING to do with "Jesus"; Koresh and the nutty parents/adults were actually ANTI-Christ.
#31. To: GrandIsland (#30)
That's what it takes to get your whole flock to drink cyanide or WILLINGLY burn to death for you.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#32. To: Deckard (#31)
They were gassed and burned to death by your federal government.
#33. To: GrandIsland (#30)
When I make a "Jesus" or "God" reference... it's only sarcasm... as his sick twisted flock looked at him as such.
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