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Title: Roadside drug testing pilot program starts Wednesday
Source: Times Herald
URL Source: http://www.thetimesherald.com/story ... am-starts-wednesday/825577001/
Published: Nov 2, 2017
Author: Liz Shepard
Post Date: 2017-11-06 14:24:03 by Gatlin
Keywords: None
Views: 1348
Comments: 29

Drivers in St. Clair County will be among the first in the state who could be required to submit to roadside drug testing.

The pilot program for the roadside drug testing begins Wednesday in five counties: Berrien, Delta, Kent, St. Clair and Washtenaw.

The counties were chosen based on criteria including the number of impaired crashes reported and the number of Drug Recognition Experts in the county. DREs are law enforcement officials trained to recognize drugged drivers.

"We're really excited to be chosen as one of the five counties," said St. Clair County Prosecutor Mike Wendling.

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The testing involves taking a swab of the driver's mouth, as well as a 12-step evaluation. Drivers who refuse to submit to a preliminary oral fluid analysis face being ticketed for a civil infraction.

DREs will be provided handheld devices that the swab will be inserted into. The devices recognize drugs including amphetamines, benzodiazepine, cannabis, cocaine, methamphetamine and opioids and gives a reading within a few minutes, said Michigan State Police Special First Lt. Jim Flegel.

While the pilot is being managed by the Michigan State Police, the testing will also be utilized by county and municipal agencies.

Wendling said local officials started working on this pilot program following a double fatal crash involving a drugged driver.

Lisa Bergman had consumed a variety of prescription medications, methamphetamine and alcohol when the pickup she was driving crossed the center line of Lapeer Road and collided head-first with a pickup carrying Russell Ward and Koby Raymo on July 20, 2013. They both were killed.

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Prosecution showed during her trial Bergman had been involved in seven other driving incidents in which it was believed she was under the influence of prescription medicines and other substances.

Wendling said it is unknown if a saliva test during one of the prior stops could have kept her off the road.

"We all know what a danger drunk driving is; drugged driving is equally as dangerous and it's just harder to detect," he said. "This will give officers a better way to detect while still protecting people's rights."

Wendling said the roadside test result will not be admissible in court, much like a preliminary breath test. He said search warrants could be sought for blood draws for admissible evidence.

The test will give officers the ability to determine why a driver is driving recklessly, and if it shows negative, could indicate someone is in need of medical help.

Wendling said he doesn't believe there are any questions about the validity or reliability of the test, which has been used by probation and parole departments for a number of years.

"It may not be admissible to a jury or a judge, but it's certainly an effective tool for an officer to know if they should be driving or not," he said.

St. Clair County Sheriff Tim Donnellon said he has a few deputies trained as DREs.

Drugged driving has had a "tremendous uptick in the opioid epidemic as well as the continual rise of the THC," he said.

In 2016, there were 2,667 drug-involved crashes in Michigan, according to MSP. That was a 20 percent increase from 2015. St. Clair County reported 53 drug-involved crashes in 2016, including one fatality, according to the MSP statistics.

Flegel said DREs in the five counties will go through training Monday and Tuesday on using the devices.

If the program is deemed successful, Flegel said the department will send a report to the Legislature and look to branching into more counties.

"Unfortunately with the opioid epidemic and medical marijuana, we've seen a huge influx in driver fatalities when operating under the influence of drugs," he said.

Flegel said he expects the pilot program to be closely watched.

"It's going to be one of the first in the country to do this," he said. "There are going to be many other states and agencies looking to us and toward our results as to how it is conducted."

Michigan law enforcement agencies will be using Abbott’s Alere DDS Mobile Forensic Test System.

“Abbott is pleased to provide the Michigan State Police with a testing instrument that can be used at the roadside. Our handheld instrument empowers officers to make informed decisions that will positively impact public safety,” Scott Taillie, vice president of toxicology at Abbott, said in a statement.


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Book ‘em, Dano.
Get those pot smoking heatherns off the highways and MRSR (Make Roads Safe Again).

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#6. To: Gatlin (#0)

Drivers in St. Clair County will be among the first in the state who could be required to submit to roadside drug testing.

This is bullshit fishing expeditions. Whoever thought of this should be put on trial for treason. They are waging a war against the constitution.

Your over zealousness sometimes clouds your judgement and makes you support things that are contrary to the constitution.

Have you ever read the fourth amendment? Tell me exactly how this doesn't violate the fourth amendment.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-11-07   9:17:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: A K A Stone (#6)

Have you ever read the fourth amendment?

Yes, I have read the Fourth Amendment.

Tell me exactly how this doesn't violate the fourth amendment.

I am not an interpreter of the Constitution.

Therefore I will let the United States Supreme Court tell you this doesn’t violate the Fourth Amendment.

The Michigan Supreme Court found sobriety roadblocks to be a violation of the Fourth Amendment.

However, by a 6-3 decision in Michigan Dept. of State Police v. Sitz (1990), the United States Supreme Court found properly conducted sobriety checkpoints to be constitutional.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-11-07   13:28:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Gatlin (#10)

I am not an interpreter of the Constitution.

Therefore I will let the United States Supreme Court tell you this doesn’t violate the Fourth Amendment.

Saturday, November 4, 2017 The role of specialization in progressivism The cultural role of specialization in progressive ideology has become more apparent to me over the years, especially as I learn more about them at the same time I am learning about the Founders. It shouldn't be overlooked any longer.

The progressives, they really enjoy specialization. Man #1, he is a professional organizer. Always has been, always will be. Man #2 is a professional Human Resources coordinator. Man 3# is a professional journalist. Man #4 is a professional teacher. Man #5 is a CEO. Man #6, he is a professional politician.

Wait a second. Professional politician? Go with me here for a second. What were the Founders?

Many of them were lawyers. But actually, they were historians. But actually, they were philosophers. But actually, they were politicians.

Some weren't lawyers, instead they were farmers. But actually, they were authors. But actually, they were theologians. But actually, they were politicians.

You see that? They weren't specialists. They were generalists. They did many things throughout their lives, and did not look at politics as a life-long career and certainly did not go off to college to achieve that one single goal.

This is actually a part of the problem - the old adage "those who don't know their history are doomed to repeat it" - well, what does a specialist know BUT his specialization?(and let's not forget the role of university indoctrination)

How can a specialist in, say, fixing some sort of complex machine possibly know about Article 3, section 2? That's not his specialization, that's for the Constitutional experts to handle.

How can a specialist in, say, nuclear physics, possibly know about the constitutional debates between August 6th to August 18th, 1787? That's for the history experts to handle.

How can a specialist in, say, medicine, possibly know the meaning of God's Law/Natural Law and the Enlightenment? That's for religious experts to handle. Add into the fact that the doctor who works 18 hours a day isn't then going to go home and read the Constitution before bed. Sure, there may be a small handful who will, but not nearly enough to make up the difference.

You see how the weakness is necessarily bred into the mix? I'm referring in all cases to super smart people here. This isn't an issue of lack of intellect. It's a lack of exposure.

Hyper specialists are natural suckers for tyranny. Serfs in the waiting. "Eh, politics? Bah, that's for the politicians to handle. Fake news? Bah, that's not for me. That's for the journalists to handle. History? No, I will leave that to the historians. Economics? I'm not touching that one. Go ask an expert." Specialization breeds large amounts of weakness.

Listen to the wording of this small preface:

In an age of specialization, one's activities are necessarily delimited by the professional interest. However, the great war has affected more than the vocational superstructure of our lives. It has rocked the foundations of civilization, and compelled the revaluation of many standards far more vital and more basic than the vocational. This fact may explain, if it does not justify, this excursion afield of a student of economics. The war has changed many of the conditions of living which demand analyis. Unlike the chemist or physicist, the student of the social sciences cannot vary the conditions of his experiments, but must wait until the processes of history afford him an opportunity to observe variations In phenomena, and to study their causes.

The war has upset some accepted articles of faith, but it has confirmed many others, which not only stood the test of war, but determined the victory. Many new needs have arisen and some old tendencies have become clearer.

We are entering a new era. We may do so blindly, or we may attempt to crystallize our ideas on the issues arising out of the war for the purpose of intelligently controlling social forces.

The problems of social and of political adjustment, and of the conservation of human resources, are neither less pressing nor less significant to the country than are the economic and financial questions, which have riveted the attention of statesmen and publicists during the past year. The little attention which the social problems have received is not a criterion of their relative importance in the life of the American people. It is characteristic of human nature to neglect those problems which, though they deal with the most fundamental aspects of the national life, lack the driving force of the economic motive.

This volume is a sequel to "American Problems of Reconstruction, a Symposium on the Economic and Financial Aspects." In the treatment of their subjects the contributors were requested to discuss:

1 . What have been the effects of the war? a. What pre-war conditions have become more clearly defined? b. What new conditions has the war brought to life?

2. What should be our policy during the reconstruction period? Thanks for suggestions are due to Drs. Dickinson, Rogers and Wolman, and others of the group of men who gathered at the Cosmos Club during the war. The volume has benefited as a result of the advice of Dean William H. Welch, of the School of Public Health of the Johns Hopkins University, and of my brother, David, particularly in the section dealing with the social aspects of medicine. Grateful acknowledgment is also made to President Frank J. Goodnow, Professors Charles H. Cooley, Franklin H. Giddings, M. M. Kaplan, T. I. Parkinson, Roscoe Pound, E. A. Ross, and Arthur J. Todd, and Mr. Abraham Flexner, for helpful suggestions.

That's from "America and the new era, a symposium on Social Reconstruction" It's a book written by progressives, for progressives. Social reconstruction? Who but progressives look at the progressive era through the era after World War 1 as an era of social reconstruction. Progressives are very intense when it comes to their "fundamental transformation" of America, and they have been since day one.

Notice how the theme of the preface is entirely geared toward social control, with a sprinkle of economic talk. That's the job of the new specialist in the progressive era, social control. Control over you, over your life. In part, this is also why progressives worship the false god of "the economy" so intently. They can use it for control purposes. Sure, it can be said that in the short term, an economy comprised entirely of specialists will be more productive and prosperous with fatter bank accounts than the corresponding generalists. However, at what price?

Here we are, one century past the progressive era. Tyranny is knocking at our door, demanding payment. You ready to pay the price for abandoning generalization? The generalists then had more freedom than the specialists do now. Choose wisely.

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A K A Stone  posted on  2017-11-07   14:07:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: A K A Stone (#11)

, it can be said that in the short term, an economy comprised entirely of specialists will be more productive and prosperous with fatter bank accounts than the corresponding generalists. However, at what price?

Here we are, one century past the progressive era. Tyranny is knocking at our door, demanding payment. You ready to pay the price for abandoning generalization? The generalists then had more freedom than the specialists do now. Choose wisely.

Another excellent post, AKA. --- Thanks..

You have gatlin on the run, although he'll never admit it. Good work.

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