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Title: You’re Better Off in a State With a Higher Income Tax
Source: FORTUNE
URL Source: http://fortune.com/2017/10/27/state ... icks&google_editors_picks=true
Published: Oct 28, 2017
Author: Carl Davis
Post Date: 2017-10-28 11:07:31 by Willie Green
Keywords: None
Views: 1257
Comments: 20

The Higher the Better, Says 2017 Study

Supply-side economics isn’t delivering.

Many lawmakers in Congress and in statehouses around the country peddle the same supply-side theory about income taxes: the lower the tax, the more the economy will grow. But new research from the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy reveals this economic approach is failing to deliver in the states. In fact, states with higher income taxes outperformed states with no income tax.

My colleagues and I compared the economic track record of the states that have charted the most radically different courses with their income tax policies, or lack thereof. Specifically, we examined economic growth in the nine states with the highest top income tax rates (averaging 10%), and the nine states with no broad-based personal income tax. What we found undermines claims that income taxes are a drag on growth that must be reduced or eliminated.

Over the last decade, states with the highest top tax rates saw their economies grow by 25.8% on a per-person basis, while those states without income taxes saw growth of just 17.4%. This growth isn’t just about numbers in a spreadsheet or bragging rights. It has translated into an improved quality of life for the residents of states with higher income tax rates. Over this same period, residents of those states saw more rapid growth in take-home pay (disposable personal income per person) and their job prospects, as measured by the official unemployment rate and the ratio of people in their prime working years who have managed to land a job.

To be clear, these types of cross-state comparisons don’t prove that higher income taxes are causing faster growth in the states that have embraced them. But they do cast serious doubt on claims that lowering income taxes is a surefire way to grow the economy.

To hear many lawmakers tell it, nothing is more important than lowering taxes on our nation’s wealthiest “job creators.” But the nine states without income taxes, despite having lower overall tax rates on the wealthy than any of the nation’s other 41 states, are not the shining example of economic success that this line of argument suggests.

Lowering personal income taxes or forgoing such taxes entirely requires difficult tradeoffs that can come at a high cost to the economy. The states without income taxes, for instance, tend to invest less in education—a direct consequence of the low-tax approach that threatens the long-run quality of these states’ workforces.

States without income taxes also tend to rely more heavily on sales and excise taxes, which fall disproportionately on moderate-income families. Balancing the budget on the backs of families who lack a stable financial footing is unsustainable in the long run, and it runs the risk of dampening consumer spending that fuels so much of our nation’s economy.

While some lawmakers are concerned about how their highest-income residents might respond to having to pay a higher tax on their incomes, the reality is that this group isn’t nearly as sensitive to tax policy changes as is often claimed. Wealthy individuals don’t stop working or investing simply because they are required to pay an income tax.

If lightening the tax load for those at the top were key to economic success, then states without income taxes would be trouncing the rest of the country—most of all those states with the highest top tax rates. Instead, these states’ economies are underperforming.

Federal lawmakers are now considering a fundamental overhaul of our nation’s tax code. The proposals and frameworks released thus far adhere to the principle that lower taxes on individuals, especially the richest, are the key to economic growth. Lessons from the states reveal this is not so. We should all be deeply skeptical of any lawmaker’s claim that lowering income taxes is a guaranteed strategy for boosting economic growth.


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#1. To: Willie Green (#0)

Title: You’re Better Off in a State With a Higher Income Tax

Only if you're in a Blue state which allows deduction of state taxes from your federal taxes.

Hopefully, this provision will be dealt with when they do the tax reform. Trump has spoken about it before.

Either state taxes should be deductible in all states or in no states.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-28   11:27:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Tooconservative (#1)

Either state taxes should be deductible in all states or in no states.

They are... If some states don't take advantage of that, it's their own damn fault.

Willie Green  posted on  2017-10-28   12:28:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Willie Green (#3)

They are... If some states don't take advantage of that, it's their own damn fault.

I think you know better than to believe that.

Fundamentals of taxation from the feds should be the same in all states.

This also subsidizes the Blue states and their social welfare policies at the expense of the Red states. At least, it would if we didn't just borrow and spend more. Essentially, it allows these Blue state taxpayers to grow the national debt while keeping and increasing their social welfare state policies and sanctuary cities. And the federal debt grows which must be paid eventually by both Blue and Red state taxpayers.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-28   12:48:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Tooconservative (#4)

Essentially, it allows these Blue state taxpayers to grow the national debt while keeping and increasing their social welfare state policies and sanctuary cities.

It's called "buying votes",and it a perpetual motion machine,heading downhill to national bankruptcy and riots over food supplies,heat,electricity,and other essentials. By the time it happens there will be 4th and 5th generation welfare recipients that have never paid a house or rent payment in their life,or even bought food or paid for utilities with money they owe.

IF and when the time comes they are cut off and have to sink or swim on their own,they are going to riot in the streets and just take what they want.

Which is pretty much what their future parents are doing today with organized group raids on businesses.

Sooner or later the money for the "Free stuff" is going to run out,and that will be Day One of the Revolution.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-10-28   15:47:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: sneakypete (#13) (Edited)

It's called "buying votes",and it a perpetual motion machine,heading downhill to national bankruptcy and riots over food supplies,heat,electricity,and other essentials. By the time it happens there will be 4th and 5th generation welfare recipients that have never paid a house or rent payment in their life,or even bought food or paid for utilities with money they owe.

True words, and the only way we can stop this insanity is to enact some sort of taxing/welfare scheme like the Fair Tax.

It provides EVERY citizen with a (very low) sort of guaranteed income in place of ALL other welfare, including social security. --- For an aprox 25% sales tax on ALL new products.

The numbers work, imo.

tpaine  posted on  2017-10-28   16:12:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: tpaine (#15)

Nah. Fair tax hits the lowest income folks the heaviest, because they spend most of their income on the necessities of life.

The tax code needs to be redistributive of the concentrations of wealth at the top, not figure out ways to tax more at the bottom.

The rich are pulling further and further and further ahead, and the nature of their wealth is insulated from taxation.

Stirring around in the bottom 3/4th doesn't really address the problem. The top need to be taxed at the same percentage of their wealth that the bottom 3/4s are. That's fair. These other things all effectively shield the wealthy and skew the cost of government downward. They call it "Fair' for the same reason that the North Koreans call themselves "Democratic".

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-10-28   19:24:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Vicomte13, y'all (#17)

--- the only way we can stop this insanity is to enact some sort of taxing/welfare scheme like the Fair Tax. ---- It provides EVERY citizen with a (very low) sort of guaranteed income in place of ALL other welfare, including social security. --- For an aprox 25% sales tax on ALL new products

Nah. Fair tax hits the lowest income folks the heaviest, because they spend most of their income on the necessities of life.

Most necessities, basic food etc, could be exempt. Only NEW products would be taxed.

Naturally, as a socialistic monarchist, you could find many problems with the scheme. One thing we know, as Pete indicated, the present system is insane.

tpaine  posted on  2017-10-28   21:02:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: tpaine (#18) (Edited)

The FAIR tax proposals I have read are outstanding.

Another reform would be to tax financial/stock transactions at a low rate. These activities are essentially gambling, why should that be tax free?

I have seen proposals on taxing these things as being able to bring in much more that 5 Trillion per year, really enough to pay the debt, and finance every single State and the Federal government.

I know people that looked at this and were quite persuasive. I also know investors that say this will no work at all. The point is, to have a discussion on changing the system which definitely does not work and it is too intrusive.

We can finance a modern societies needs without attaching wages and the homes of citizens.

jeremiad  posted on  2017-10-31   15:11:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: jeremiad (#19)

The point is, to have a discussion on changing the system which definitely does not work and it is too intrusive.

We can finance a modern societies needs without attaching wages and the homes of citizens.

Yep, we need to stop the tax insanity, -- but I'm convinced the only way it's gonna happen is after a complete financial collapse....

Damn shame...

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