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Title: Las Vegas shooter's laptop missing its hard drive
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URL Source: http://abcnews.go.com/US/las-vegas- ... g-hard-drive/story?id=50709285
Published: Oct 25, 2017
Author: Jack Date, Mike Levine, Pierre Thomas
Post Date: 2017-10-25 14:48:35 by nolu chan
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Las Vegas shooter's laptop missing its hard drive By Jack Date A laptop computer recovered from the Las Vegas hotel room where Stephen Paddock launched the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history was missing its hard drive, depriving investigators of a potential key source of information on why he killed and maimed so many people, ABC News has learned. Paddock is believed to have removed the hard drive before fatally shooting himself, and the missing device has not yet been recovered, sources told ABC News. [snip]
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Oct 25, 2017, 12:15 PM ET
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Well, it is a conspiracy theory... I'll have to think about that one. Are we sure he didn't have a parachute so he could just fly away unnoticed?
Presumably that or a smart phone. Agreed. First, he needs a motive to go through the trouble. Wtih a live CD, why bother? And if you try breaking up a CD and flushing it down the toilet, odds are it would clog it up unless it was pretty decently pulverized. Throwing it out the window is no good. I'm sure that debris would be carefully sifted through, as some bullet casings may have gone out the window too. Sure, a smaller flash drive could probably be flushed without problem, but surely if Paddock's computer was found without a HD, then some evidence of a bootable drive would likely be found instead. Bottom line, there has to be a motive for Paddock to take each and every step he took. And the system after booting up on a flash or CD would need to be able to work with the cameras. If it takes some configing, then that would be a drawback on the theory. You can ridicule so-called "conspiracy theories" if you like. That's fine, but the fact remains that we have very little word from the police as to the raw facts of the case. Bullet casing counts, what kind of magazines for which weapons were found, and so on. And this Campos guy is acting a bit funny too, though perhaps taht's to be expected after finding himself a person of national interest in this horrific event. Maybe.
Not sure if you read my other posts but I did some debunking of my own LiveCD theory along these lines in previous posts. A lot of motive to be a Man Of Mystery so it isn't so satisfying once you start to think about it. Nearly all of them just need an IP address and password. Common as dirt. I"ve certainly decried the absolutely miserable spectacle of the FBI's handling of this on many threads. Campos may be an illegal, fearing repercussions. And his exit to Mexico is suspicious. The Mandalay has a lot to worry about with him. If he is an illegal and/or he lacks a security guard license from the state of Nevada, Mandalay will be on the hook with bloodthirsty lawyers for victims for having an unqualified guard in their hotel or even an unqualified guard who is also an illegal alien. Those lawyers will no doubt argue that a properly licensed guard would have acted more effectively to end the massacre or to interrupt it more than just hiding until Paddock got tired of shooting. This is why Campos only gave one interview and only to a bought-and-paid Mandalay whore mouthpiece, Ellen Degenerate. The Mandalay may as well just hand over the keys to the hotel to the lawyers for the victims. Apparently, Nevada licenses both armed and unarmed security guards according to some professional training sites I looked at.
Evidence that I have not gone senile yet. The very first thing they do in computer forensics is mirror the hard drive and write block it. Then they work off the mirror image. Bill Nelson, Amelia Phillips, and Christopher Steuart, Guide to Computer Forensics and Investigations, Fourth Edition, Curse Technology, Cengage Learning, 2010, page 174,
And you think that proves that the FBI made the hard drive disappear deliberately. Whatever. If that's your position, we don't have much to discuss at all. The problem with subscribing to many different CTs to explain the world is that you quickly snowball into a requirement of tens of thousands or even millions of conspirators plotting to keep the truth from the public. It would include witnesses to the events, victims (crisis actors), relatives, police, EMTs, doctors/nurses/hospitabls, morticians/staff, coroners... the list is huge even for just one supposed false-flag event like Vegas. But if that is the case, why do you watch the news at all? If they can fake Vegas (and the JFK assassination and the moon landing and 9/11 and Newtown and aliens at Roswell, etc.), then they can just fake anything so nothing is newsworthy at all. Do you own that book or have access to a physical copy of it? How do you know it's not a fake book intended to deceive people like you trying to penetrate the veil of secrecy that apparently is the primary work of the entire federal government? If you just found that off the internet, you can't prove there is a book or that it was written by persons named Bill Nelson, Amelia Phillips, and Christopher Steuart.
It means they have known for about four weeks that they did not have the hard drive. Do you own that book or have access to a physical copy of it? How do you know it's not a fake book intended to deceive people like you trying to penetrate the veil of secrecy that apparently is the primary work of the entire federal government? If you just found that off the internet, you can't prove there is a book or that it was written by persons named Bill Nelson, Amelia Phillips, and Christopher Steuart. I own that book, physical copy, and more on the topic of computer forensics. I do not believe all my books are fake, or that they cannot be found at places like Amazon or Barnes & Noble. However, you are entitled to your conspiracy theory kookery that I have suddenly begun inventing sources. I also own a physical copy of the companion book, Lab Manual for Guide to Computer Forensics and Investigations, by Andrew Blitz, 2011. This covers use of the AccessData ProDiscover imaging tool, and states at page 46, Objectives During the process of seizing a storage device, investigators use imaging tools to create a forensic copy that can be safely analyzed without the danger of damaging or deleting potential evidence. The forensic image is an exact copy of the original evidence, including any unallocated space or bad clusters. In addition, the imaging process creates a hash signature of the original and the duplicated copy to validate the scientific imaging process and ensure that no file has been omitted or changed in any way. The two hash signatures are compared with each other, and if they match, the copy is considered legally identical to the original. The forensic copy maintains the chain of custody from the time the seized device was imaged until the end of the investigation. In addition, the information obtained by the various tools applied to the evidence will be listed in a report that can be examined during the trial by investigators and court personnel. I also own a physical copy of Eoghan Casey, Computer Evidence and Computer Crime, Forensic Science, Computers and the Internet, Third Edition, Elsevier, 2011. Chapter 6, section 3, para 6.3.4, page 210 states; I also own a physical copy of Steve Bunting, EnCE, The Official EnCase® Certified Examiner Study Guide, Second Edition, Sybex, 2008. At page 110 it states, EnCase® is used to create usable evidence files, commonly called images. This is the first step in the lab. If the computer is found in an on state, the first step is to photograph a clear copy the screen to document the on state. Other concerns, such as the on computer being networked, create some more to document before turning the computer offf and taking it to the lab. I also own a physical copy of EC-Council|Press, Computer Forensics, Investigation Procedures and Response, Volume 1 of 5 mapping to C|HFI™, Computer Hacking Forensic Investigator Certification, Course Technology, CENGAGE Learning, 2010, which states at page 3-17, For digital evidence, forensic principles are generally enforced. The National Institute of Justice (2004) describes these principles. Depending on the type of case and media, the corresponding examination methodologies are used. Proper training must be given to those who conduct examinations. For conducting examinations, examiners must: Analysis of recovered data involves interpreting the data and putting it into a logical and useful format (for example, determining how the evidence got there, what it means, and where it came from). Analysis is the phase in which acquired data turns to evidence. When conducting the evidence examination, the following steps should be taken into consideration: Proper forensic holds, (1) "examiners must use accepted procedures, and (2) avoid using the original evidence." They make a copy of the zeros and ones on the original media that is verified. One of the verifications is a hash analysis. I have said nothing of Las Vegas having been a false flag event.
Good. Then you aren't a full-blown kook. They did some major clampdown on releasing any info. Apparently, the mean comments on Twitter were making the Clark county sheriff cry too much or something. So given how any info has been reduced to a trickle, maybe it isn't a surprise that it took weeks for the missing hard drive to be mentioned to the public. We have no other info on whether the laptop was found powered on or not. If it was booted with a LiveCD or USB flash drive, then Paddock would have had to shut it off. Maybe he would but you have to wonder if his desire to be a Man Of Mystery was strong enough as he prepared to shoot himself in the head after shooting over 500 people.
Escaping from the ever-reaching firm grip of the LVPD the unknown second shooter climbed out of the same window and scaled back down the hotel glass walls. He fled into the panicked crowd. Yes...that's IF we accept the movie-like premise of Mission Impossible-like planning and skills from a second shooter. AND the premise that there was any such laptop in the alleged perp's room; Paddock is presumed to be THE prime perp; AND premise that destroying the hard drive would be the priority of a deranged madman. AS he was spraying a crowd of thousands with thousands of rounds of ammo. Talk about multi-tasking.
Good. Then you aren't a full-blown kook. Lol@ The Erasure engaging in a Alinsky-ite blitzkrieg of "KOOOOK!!" Someone here counted the number of instances TC used the word "kook" since Vegas." I find it hard to believe, and haven't counted myself, but I hear it's near a hundred. And btw, this case has ALL the gravy and trimmings that make up a "False Flag." (It's not our fault The Mechanics make it obvious. And you connect Official Fairy Tale phantom dots.)
We don't have evidence that Paddock was using a LiveCD or USB flash drive. He did not have to shut it off, the computer could have been found in the on state. He could have wanted to be a Man of Mystery because he was an asset of the ATF/FBI/CIA or somesuch acting as an arms dealer. He seemed to do well for someone with no claim to employment. There is no compelling evidence that Paddock shot anyone, or that he shot himself. If it was Paddock's body, somebody shot him. So far, there is an official story with little evidence provided.
Well, you can always just make up crap and believe any old thing that you like. If so, why do you bother to watch or read news at all? Isn't everything just a Big Fake by the Illuminati or by Them (you know, Them!)?
Really? Who did you hear this from? No one told me they were counting the number of times I (accurately) applied the word 'kook' to various nutjobs here at LF. Or did you just make up this claim, like you just make up lots of your CT material?
I'll call that hundred and bet the actual number is more nearly double that... And don't ask me to do the count. I'm not THAT kooky....
Whatever. If that's your position, we don't have much to discuss at all. Aaah, but apparently we do. As evidenced by this thread as well as many others HERE as well as on the entire interweb, lit up like a pinball machine over the non-specificity, vagueness, yet un-proven claims made by "authorities." You yourself have speculated and engaged in quite a few theories as to what happened; No, you don't refer to YOUR theories as "conspiratorial," but aren't they? Unless you have definitive proof that there was indeed a "Paddock," and he indeed pulled off this op ALONE. conspiracy: a secret plan made by two or more people to do something bad, illegal, or against someone’s wishes (Source: Cambridge Dictionary) The problem with subscribing to many different CTs to explain the world is that you quickly snowball into a requirement of tens of thousands or even millions of conspirators plotting to keep the truth from the public. Not necessarily... ...and NOT if the tasks are compartmentalized. The roles subbed-out. And key players/witnesses/patsies ELIMINATED from the equation. Yes, purely speculation here. But based on circumstantial evidence and eyewitness testimony. You'll find a very sizable number people who've never believed the Warren Commission conclusion regarded JFK's assassination as the work of JUST Oswald and JUST one single bullet and shooter. For good reason: Precisely because THE MATH DOESN'T WORK. It's simply implausible. And the single-bullet/assassin account defies the law of physics. It [all major False Flag events] would include witnesses to the events, victims (crisis actors), relatives, police, EMTs, doctors/nurses/hospitabls, morticians/staff, coroners... the list is huge even for just one supposed false-flag event like Vegas. Yes, operations like this would require many actors (everyone is aware that requests for "crisis actors" and companies who provide them exist and advertise.) Ops would also require directors AND scripts, wouldn't they? And massive training grounds. HOW could such events be pulled off? Here's a solution: CrisisCast http://crisiscast.com/ "Award winning role play actors and film makers specially trained in disaster and crisis management. "We dramatise events for emerging security needs in the UK, Middle East and worldwide. "Our specialist role play actors – many with security clearance – are trained by behavioural psychologists and rigorously rehearsed in criminal and victim behaviour to help police, the army and the emergency services, hospitals, schools, local authorities, government, private security firms, shopping centres, airports, big business, criminal justice departments, media and the military to simulate incident environments for life saving procedures. "We use state of the art British film industry techniques, props and special effects to help trainers deliver essential, hands-on, high octane crisis response and disaster management training. We also work with trainee doctors, psychologists and care professionals." Large Scale Incidents "We can provide up to 400 actors, fully trained and rehearsed along with professional teams that look after make-up, prosthetics, pyrotechnics, wardrobe, special effects, covert and aerial footage. "Our specially trained professional role-play actors and internationally credited film crews bring realistic, informed, crisis management and disaster incidents to life. as a company we use state of the art uk and Australian film crafts, tricks and skills for live training that requires hyper real battlefield effects, role players, stunts, medical simulations and combat flashpoints. "We are able to use specialist film techniques and disciplines to bring the best of theatre and film to our live, immersive simulations." Why do you watch the news at all? If they can fake Vegas (and the JFK assassination and the moon landing and 9/11 and Newtown and aliens at Roswell, etc.), then they can just fake anything so nothing is newsworthy at all. Kinda hard to wrap your head around it all, ain't it? Since the "news" reporting is now simply an overt propaganda arm of the gubmint, many have indeed tuned out the "news," or regard it for what it is: Disinfo, Diversion, and Brainwashing. The Media's cred is practically null. NEW REALITY: Practically ANY event can be staged. The above 'Crisis Cast' and "Roleplay" company claims it can "provide up to 400 actors" on site. MANY of whom (as mentioned above) possess "SECURITY CLEARANCE." Hmmm....This particular "Crisis Management" company mentions "security clearance" as one of its featured advantages for its clients... COULD IT BE that this "Crisis Management" outfit is actually just a gubmint subsidiary framed as a private company? One wouldn't think the demand for such bloody theatrics was so great. Oh wait: Newtown...Boston Marathon...Vegas.... To be clear, no one is claiming that in operations like this people don't actually get shot or die (which necessarily evokes very uncomfortable questions AND answers of companies like this, and of events as in Newtown, and especially in Vegas and the Boston Marathon.)
The blurring of reality and fairy tale can no longer be discerned. In this "Emergency" simulation, 2,000 people are said to be involved. No wonder subversive Hollywood is married to subversive DC. It's a match made in...
Oh wait: Newtown...Boston Marathon...Vegas.... You just can't stop, can you? I suppose that is the defining characteristic of an Internet kook.
You couldn't bring yourself to read the post and examine the Crisis Cast company outfit and how it helps you learn how the process works? TC, you are in a state of clinical acute denial. I feel bad for you. Really. I'm sorry to bust your bubble. Your safe paradigm of reality just doesn't exist. You're going to have to eventually put down your cup of hot cocoa and put on your Big-Boy pants.
going to have to eventually put down your cup of hot cocoa and put on your Big-Boy pants TC, you are in a state of clinical acute denial. I feel bad for you. Really. Sheep are gonna sheeple, regardless of circumstances....
I do understand why and how people are immersed in a state of cognitive dissonance. I get it. It's "safer." I can only theorize that maybe the psychological realization that the goob is actually fronting beddy beddy bad men might spiral deniers of the truth into a form of PTSD. Moreover, the Truth destroys some of the traditional "heroes" of youth: GOVERNMENT. PRESIDENTS. SENATORS. THE "GOOD GUYS" WHO PROTECT US. Turns out that most of these former "heroes" are rancid. "GOOD GUYS" and Patriots still very much exist; The problem is the agendae of theirs and our overlord elites. They must destroy the system and start all over again. The disturbing revelations of the elites future plan and how they've managed to undermine the taken-for-granted safety of the past is why embracing nostalgia is so big these days. As is escapism. The days of yore before the internet represented the last true days of bliss. One either discovered the dark truth by delving into deep research, via newsletters or books. These days, EVERYONE can't help but be bombarded by bad news. Victims. And an epidemic of the deranged. After all, the PsyOp requires the sheeple live in a constant state of fear, loathing, and paranoia (and for good reason, unfortunately.) Once upon a time no so long ago, many of these people were locked up at sanitariums. No longer is that the case. Most of us would have preferred to remain in a safe bubble, in a past state of ignorant bliss. Life was much simpler NOT knowing the truth. But as close observers of the culture and seekers of truth it's just not possible these days.
Ah, you are so brave. I suppose you have to have compensatory beliefs to explain away why your kook lifestyle drives everyone away from you other than your fellow-kooks.
kook lifestyle Anyone who posts as many articles from the Weekly Standard as you do, is a kO0k!
You guys sure are touchy about that word 'kook'. Weekly Standard still publishes some very good articles. Bill Kristol retired as chief editor and was replaced by Steven Hayes. Fred Barnes, co-founder of the Weekly Standard, still publishes and does as many podcasts as ever. He was an early supporter of Trump and was just as vocal as Pat Buchanan was about supporting Trump and arguing for taking him as a serious candidate for president, one of only a handful in the entire media who did. Early on, it was Hannity, Buchanan, and Barnes who supported Trump and almost no one else outside the Breitbart orbit.
I did not make up anything. I just observed the simple fact that so little evidence has been provided that there is insufficient evidence to support or disprove the official government conspiracy theory. It is perfectly alright if believing the official government conspiracy theory, without evidence, gives you a sense of security.
IOW, you are a kook after all but you don't want to fly your freak flag too openly.
TC doesn't refer to his theories as "conspiratorial," but certainly, most are, which makes him as much of a kook as everyone. He calls everybody kooks because he craves attention, --- because it is his false conviction that he is the smartest person at LF, and doesn't get enough respect. Whatta pitiful little person.
It's amazing how often you post and how rarely you post anything of substance on the topic of the thread. You just like to insert yourself in other people's disagreements. A busybody troll.
Quit sniveling, grow up, and realize I've been on your case lately because you've been off the rails with your war on 'conspiracy kooks'. Get over yourself. No one elected you to be the PC police.
Ah, tpaine, Protector Of Dainty Kooks. Like I care.
Mum is the word. I can not tell a lie and all that other cock-a-mane, clap-trap and inclusive horseshit.
tpaine, Protector Of Dainty Kooks. Like I care. Dainty? My, what a slap on the wrist, young fella.. You must be pretty precious to dream that one up.
Ah, you are so brave. "Brave"? For NOT fearing the truth that this Gubmint, its Alphabet Enforcers, Puppets and Puppetmeisters, and the Media ALL submit to the same Pied Piper? Why should you fear that others will learn the truth and seed the truth, and crash the PTB-run Fairy Tale Universe? What's at stake FOR YOU? On the other hand, you off-handedly dismiss as your default position ALL and EVERY plausiblity, possibility and probability as though The Truth were a grenade...OR nuke. I suppose you have to have compensatory beliefs to explain away why your kook lifestyle drives everyone away from you other than your fellow-kooks. HA! "Kook life-style"?? Hilarious. Hilarious in that you open the pages to USA Today, New York Times and WaPo and rest of MSM and insist that THEY are THE "Official Source of Truth." That is when you're not selling Vegas Sheriffs and Feeb propaganda and piecemeal as "Gospel Truth." Now THAT is truly ..."kooky." Beyond showcasing your ignorance and degree of curiosity on a par with a bag of rusty hammers, I don't know what you're trying to prove, who you're trying to prove it to, and how you are compensated for crowning yourself Forum Disnfo Specialist, Official Goob Fairy Tale Gate-Keeper & Enforcer, and Erasure of External Investigations, but your default OCD is beyond bizarre. If there is anyone "compensating" for anything (i.e. lack of curiosity/ investigating skills/logic/inflexible analyses/rationale) it's you. Despite your lame attempt at dousing an ongoing exposition of an historical event and ultra-suspicious handling of this Vegas turkey-shoot, you and your ilk's damming up and frantically eliminating, restricting and censoring researchers, facts, eyewitness accounts, and dot-connecting (YouTube/Twitter/Facebook), THE Truth of the matter in what clearly appears to be Vegas Black Op WILL be exposed.
True dat. Great observation. NeoCon Bill Kristol is an anti-MAGA Dem-Globalist (R) -- has ALWAYS been. As was his daddy. Considering Kristol's open contempt for and of Donald Trump (for NOT being a pro-war globalist-occultist elite), EVERY Weekly Standard article should be regarded as PROPAGANDA.
More cognitive dissonance. I can assure you your "kook" pigeon-sh*tting all over the forum chessboard is regarded the way as most of us look at a sulking kid who keeps on spilling his Kool-ade so that Mommy will pay attention to him while guests are chatting.
I just observed the simple fact that so little evidence has been provided that there is insufficient evidence to support or disprove the official government conspiracy theory. No, you haven't "made-up" a thing, Chan... Your observations are self-evident and consensus. There is indeed insufficient evidence to support the Official Gubmint THEORY. Actually, there is far more evidence to support the notion that the gubmint is purposely LYING, covering up and extinguishing evidence and eyewitness accounts. This is disturbing for obvious reasons. The fact is the Goob's "theory" is based on thin-air, speculation and refusal to connect any and all dots of events...that ARE available. For an such a heinous crime of a supposed "Lone Wolf" who was isolated at one single hotel (oh wait -- there were OTHER incidents on that fateful night that are being ignored), and given the feral investigation possesses every forensic tool known to man, their choppy scripted bullsh*t (that is going no where fast) is based on a shamefully shoddy, incurious investigation.
He calls everybody kooks because he craves attention, --- because it is his false conviction that he is the smartest person at LF, and doesn't get enough respect. I concur. TC is the self-anointed arbiter and gate-keeper of "truth." And to prove it he regularly cites the Weekly Standard, WaPo, and other "legacy" media sources who lack any cred and who's daddy are the Globalists-Elites. Anyone who so readily dismisses ANY AND ALL speculation and theory as a default position -- OTHER THAN the "Official" account (even though it is far too often incomplete piecemeal AND makes little sense) -- can be considered "kooky." It's the same terse authoritative conversation parents have with their little kids: Kid: "But Why"? Mommy and Daddy: "Because we say so."
Seems to be philosophy of the Vegas "Investigation" Team. Along with, "Meh."
Fred Barnes writes there and was a co-founder with Kristol. Barnes and Pat Buchanan are the two biggest old-school journalists who support Trump strongly and both did pretty early in the 2016 primary season. The rest of WS, admittedly, mostly laughs at Trump except when he's pro-Israel and anti-Iran (which he is all the time) or appoints more stellar judges to sail through the now-streamlined Senate confirmation process. You could say that Barnes is an outlier or the "house nationalist" for Trump (like a "house liberal" at the WSJ opinion pages) but Barnes was pro-Trump and Kristol was anti-Trump. And Kristol is now mostly retired other than his podcadsts and stepped down as editor of WS. And Barnes is still writing and podcasting away. This idea that WS is always anti-Trump is overblown. Even if most their articles seem to have the tone of "well even that idiot Trump managed to do some good today..." even if Trump does major deregulation or names another 6-10 stellar federal judges. So no one should fool themselves over the general slant of the WS either. They mostly don't like Trump unless he does exactly what they've advocated for years and which no other GOP pol(s) have managed to do, despite many years in office. It's a little odd to have to contend with elements of the conservative press that is so critical of a president of their party. I don't know exactly what else they want him to do. Admittedly, I get why they clutch at their pearls every time Trump makes a poorly-considered remark or those tweets that really give them the vapors. But discarding what Trump says as unimportant, just look at the things Trump has done. What 2016 GOP candidate could really have been more conservative in policy and key appointments as Trump? I've said it a dozen times: even Ted Cruz and Rand Paul would not conceivably be any more conservative than Trump. And probably no more successful in policy or conservative appointments. But they would be a lot more tactful about it.
Barnes and Pat Buchanan are the two biggest old-school journalists who support Trump strongly and both did pretty early in the 2016 primary season. The rest of WS, admittedly, mostly laughs at Trump except when he's pro-Israel and anti-Iran (which he is all the time) or appoints more stellar judges to sail through the now-streamlined Senate confirmation process. I can agree largely with your above assessment. In days past, Barnes was unashamedly uber-conservative. Not so much in later years. His work at times is ambiguously conservative, without the conviction of years past. Barnes' main problem is his credibility as a matter of his direct ties to Kristol, and presumed Final Word of Kristol on content. If Kristol regards Trump not only as an "Enemy" but THE Enemy, it is impossible for Fred Barnes to publish what he truly believes, given Kristol's globalist-slant. Paddy Buch is more of a contributor to TWS intended to give the publication some much needed weight from a conservative perspective. Yes. The WS by and large ridicule Trump and his MAGA pledge while undermining him. Thus how is a reader concerned for and with the truth of any given matter supposed to dismiss the truth? Especially given The Weekly Standard's obvious "Make Globalism Great Agenda" and their sabotaging of onald Trump so that he and his MAGA don't gain enough steam and momentum to win the 2020 election?
"Always" is overblown. But "vastly" isn't.
I don't know exactly what else they want him to do. Admittedly, I get why they clutch at their pearls every time Trump makes a poorly-considered remark or those tweets that really give them the vapors. But discarding what Trump says as unimportant, just look at the things Trump has done. We're dealing with perception vs. reality. The "pearl-clutching" is purely propagandist; They are in reality doing no such thing. So is the "we're aghast!!" reaction to Trump's tweets. Though you won't agree, the vast majority of these mainstream publications are tools of their globalist/Alphabet Agy influence and/or ownership. THIS is exactly why the alt-media is regarded as subversive. THEIR agenda is the Truth; not some ideology leading to a globalist, One World agenda.
Barnes has no illusions about Trump. He thinks he has a lot of unforced errors with clumsy remarks and some of his tweets. But he doesn't care what Trump says as much as he cares about what Trump actually does. Again, what was Trump supposed to do that was more conservative than any of the other 2016 GOP primary candidates? Every chance, he makes sure that no GOP pol can get to his Right on any position. And he does a lot of very conservative stuff that the GOP has preached for years on deregulation and judges. What he does is a lot more important than what he says, even if his remarks give the D.C. establishment the vapors.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest The missing hard drive has been attributed to the cunning skill of the unknown second shooter. After he completed his rampage on the concert, he scaled the glass walls of the Hotel to the 32nd floor, climbed into Paddock's room through one of the broken windows and murdered Paddock. He took the hard drive thus avoiding Jesus, who was still waiting in the hallway.
#38. To: Tooconservative (#13)
He was using the laptop to watch his security camera(s) that were planted on that maid's cart out in the hallway. So it had to be a working laptop.
No way he had time to fire the volleys, then disassemble/reassemble the laptop, find some way to dispose of the hard drive (not easy).
A LiveCD or a tiny bootable USB flash drive could be crushed with his hammer (we know he had one), and then the pieces flung out one of his broken windows. Or flushed down his toilet.
#39. To: Pinguinite (#38)
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First, he needs a motive to go through the trouble. Wtih a live CD, why bother? And if you try breaking up a CD and flushing it down the toilet, odds are it would clog it up unless it was pretty decently pulverized. Throwing it out the window is no good. I'm sure that debris would be carefully sifted through, as some bullet casings may have gone out the window too. Sure, a smaller flash drive could probably be flushed without problem, but surely if Paddock's computer was found without a HD, then some evidence of a bootable drive would likely be found instead. Bottom line, there has to be a motive for Paddock to take each and every step he took.
And the system after booting up on a flash or CD would need to be able to work with the cameras. If it takes some configing, then that would be a drawback on the theory.
That's fine, but the fact remains that we have very little word from the police as to the raw facts of the case. Bullet casing counts, what kind of magazines for which weapons were found, and so on. And this Campos guy is acting a bit funny too, though perhaps taht's to be expected after finding himself a person of national interest in this horrific event. Maybe.
#40. To: Tooconservative (#23)
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And you base this on what evidence (other than sheer conjecture)?
Processing and Handling Digital Evidence You must maintain the integrity of digital evidence in the lab as you do when collecting it in the field. Your first task is to preserve the disk data. If you have a suspect computer that hasn't been copied with an imaging tool, you must crete a copy. When you do, be sure to make the suspect drive read only (typically by write-blocking device), and document this step.
#41. To: nolu chan (#40)
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Then they work off the mirror image. Bill Nelson, Amelia Phillips, and Christopher Steuart, Guide to Computer Forensics and Investigations, Fourth Edition, Curse Technology, Cengage Learning, 2010, page 174,
#42. To: Tooconservative (#41)
And you think that proves that the FBI made the hard drive disappear deliberately.
Then they work off the mirror image. Bill Nelson, Amelia Phillips, and Christopher Steuart, Guide to Computer Forensics and Investigations, Fourth Edition, Curse Technology, Cengage Learning, 2010, page 174,
Lab 4.1 Data Acquisition in ProDiscover
To many practitioners in digital forensics, the preservation step is where digitla forensics begins. It is generally the first stage in the proces that employs commonly used tools of a particular type. The output of this state is usually a set of duplicate copies of all sources of digital data. This output provides investigators with two categories of exhibits. First, the original material is cataloged and stored in a proper environmentally controlled location, in an unmodified state. Second, an exact duplicate of the original material is created that will be srutiniz3ed as the investigation continues.
Following best forensics practices, I typically conduct examinations or analyses on copies of the original evidence. In this manner, I preserve the original, protecting it from alteration or corruption. The copy of the original evidence is more commonly called an image. For this image to be a copy and the legal equivalent of the original, it must represent a duplicate image of the original. This, every one and zero on the original must be replicated on the copy or image. In this chapter, I'll discuss the various methods of acquiring the original evidence and rendering from it an image upon which you can conduct your forensic examinations.
Evidence Examination
The problem with subscribing to many different CTs to explain the world is that you quickly snowball into a requirement of tens of thousands or even millions of conspirators plotting to keep the truth from the public. It would include witnesses to the events, victims (crisis actors), relatives, police, EMTs, doctors/nurses/hospitabls, morticians/staff, coroners... the list is huge even for just one supposed false-flag event like Vegas.
#43. To: nolu chan (#42)
(Edited)
I have said nothing of Las Vegas having been a false flag event.
It means they have known for about four weeks that they did not have the hard drive.
#44. To: buckeroo (#36)
The missing hard drive has been attributed to the cunning skill of the unknown second shooter. After he completed his rampage on the concert, he scaled the glass walls of the Hotel to the 32nd floor, climbed into Paddock's room through one of the broken windows and murdered Paddock. He took the hard drive thus avoiding Jesus, who was still waiting in the hallway.
#45. To: Tooconservative, nolu chan, Deckerd (#43)
("I have said nothing of Las Vegas having been a false flag event.")
#46. To: Tooconservative (#43)
We have no other info on whether the laptop was found powered on or not. If it was booted with a LiveCD or USB flash drive, then Paddock would have had to shut it off. Maybe he would but you have to wonder if his desire to be a Man Of Mystery was strong enough as he prepared to shoot himself in the head after shooting over 500 people.
#47. To: nolu chan (#46)
(Edited)
There is no compelling evidence that Paddock shot anyone, or that he shot himself. If it was Paddock's body, somebody shot him.
#48. To: Liberator (#45)
Someone here counted the number of instances TC used the word "kook" since Vegas." I find it hard to believe, and haven't counted myself, but I hear it's near a hundred.
#49. To: Liberator (#45)
Someone here counted the number of instances TC used the word "kook" since Vegas." I find it hard to believe, and haven't counted myself, but I hear it's near a hundred.
#50. To: Tooconservative, nolu chan, Deckard, tpaine, buckeroo, hondo68, Pinguinite, A K A Stone, Stoner, Vicomte13, redleghunter (#41)
And you think that proves that the FBI made the hard drive disappear deliberately.
#51. To: All (#50)
heaven Hell.
#52. To: Liberator (#50)
COULD IT BE that this "Crisis Management" outfit is actually just a gubmint subsidiary framed as a private company? One wouldn't think the demand for such bloody theatrics was so great.
#53. To: Tooconservative (#52)
You just can't stop, can you?
#54. To: Liberator, Deep State shills, tater, yukon, Tooconservative, Robert Paulsen, BorisY (#53)
#55. To: hondo68, Tooconservative, Vicomte13, tpaine, nolu chan, RLKK (#54)
Sheep are gonna sheeple, regardless of circumstances....
#56. To: Liberator (#55)
I do understand why and how people are immersed in a state of cognitive dissonance. I get it. It's "safer."
#57. To: Tooconservative, Kristol Kook, Liberator, *Neo-Lib Chickenhawk Wars* (#56)
#58. To: hondo68 (#57)
#59. To: Tooconservative (#47)
Well, you can always just make up crap and believe any old thing that you like.
#60. To: nolu chan (#59)
the official government conspiracy theory.
#61. To: Liberator, Tooconservative, Y'ALL (#50)
You yourself have speculated and engaged in quite a few theories as to what happened; No, you don't refer to YOUR theories as "conspiratorial," but aren't they?
#62. To: tpaine (#61)
#63. To: Tooconservative (#62)
You just like to insert yourself in other people's disagreements.
#64. To: tpaine (#63)
#65. To: Liberator (#44)
Yes...that's IF we accept the movie-like premise of Mission Impossible-like planning and skills from a second shooter. AND the premise that there was any such laptop in the alleged perp's room; Paddock is presumed to be THE prime perp; AND premise that destroying the hard drive would be the priority of a deranged madman. AS he was spraying a crowd of thousands with thousands of rounds of ammo. Talk about multi-tasking.
#66. To: Tooconservative (#64)
#67. To: Tooconservative, tpaine, Deckard, hondo68, nolu chan (#56)
("I do understand why and how people are immersed in a state of cognitive dissonance. I get it. It's 'safer.'")
#68. To: hondo68, Tooconservative (#57)
Anyone who posts as many articles from the Weekly Standard as you do, is a kO0k!
#69. To: Tooconservative, hondo68, tpaine (#58)
You guys sure are touchy about that word 'kook'.
#70. To: nolu chan, Tooconservative (#59)
I did not make up anything.
#71. To: tpaine, Tooconservative (#61)
TC doesn't refer to his theories as "conspiratorial," but certainly, most are, which makes him as much of a kook as everyone.
#72. To: buckeroo (#65)
Mum is the word.
#73. To: Liberator (#68)
Considering Kristol's open contempt for and of Donald Trump (for NOT being a pro-war globalist-occultist elite), EVERY Weekly Standard article should be regarded as PROPAGANDA.
#74. To: Tooconservative (#73)
(Edited)
Fred Barnes writes there and was a co-founder with Kristol.
#75. To: Tooconservative (#73)
(Edited)
This idea that WS is always anti-Trump is overblown.
#76. To: Tooconservative (#73)
(Edited)
It's a little odd to have to contend with elements of the conservative press that is so critical of a president of their party.
#77. To: Liberator (#74)
If Kristol regards Trump not only as an "Enemy" but THE Enemy, it is impossible for Fred Barnes to publish what he truly believes, given Kristol's globalist-slant.
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