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Paddock is believed to have removed the hard drive before fatally shooting himself, and the missing device has not yet been recovered, sources told ABC News. [snip] Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest #1. To: All (#0) Perhaps Paddock employed the Awan brothers. nolu chan  posted on  2017-10-25   14:49:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #2. To: nolu chan, Willie Green (#0) The hard drive might have been removed well before the massacre. To monitor his video cameras and do casual web browsing, he could do it all with a Linux LiveCD or memory stick. Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-25   17:39:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #3. To: nolu chan (#0) ...[Alphabet Agy patsy computer is] missing its hard drive, depriving investigators of a potential key source of information on why he killed and maimed so many people, ABC News has learned. *shock* Bin Laden-Paddock WUZ HACKED!! Another tough break for the 911 investigators. Er...I mean Vegas Stagecraft Inc. And dontcha just love the way Alphabet Investigators and leakers are referred to as un-named "sources"? Who ALWAYS just happen to contact ABC/CNN/NYT? And how these "sources" are ALWAYS to be believed? But wait. Whoa. What a coincidence. Hitlery F.N. Klintoon's computer was also missing its hard drive...(or was it merely just wiped with a cloth?) In any case, meh. Everyone knows that as a rule, phantom mass-murderer patsies normally would remove a hard drive before the killing spree. Shame. The Alphabet agys would have cracked this case W-I-D-E open like a walnut if not for that hard drive. Now there is ZERO info and records on the phantom-patsy's co-conspirators, motive, history, etc. The entire investigation may as well be playing out in the dark. In outer space. In a cave on Pluto. Ridiculous. Now we wait for the next stagecraft disaster/mass murder psyop that will bury the Vegas Charade while demonizing the original target: Gun Owners. Conservatives. Republicans. America-Firsters. The Straight, the Christian. Whitey. Liberator  posted on  2017-10-25   18:09:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #4. To: nolu chan (#1) Perhaps Paddock employed the Awan brothers. Yup. Good thing there's an "Awan Brothers" in every city. With so many "down-low" activities involving the DNC and Deep State, who knew Hen-House Muzzies could be so valuable in the computer espionage business? I hear Paddock was found wearing a Star Trek red shirt. You know what THAT means ;-) Oh wait...that was just BLOOD. From the self-inflicted "AK-automatic" gunshot wound to the back of the head. Between the Awan Bros, Hitlery and 0bama's ties to the Russian Uranium Deal, The DNC-Hitlery "Dossier" set-up, you'd think REPUBLICANS like Flake (R), Corker (R), McCain (R) and McConnell(R) would rather rant on the Senate floor and take apart 0bama, Hillary, and the DNC. But apparently President Trump is more dangerous as far as they are concerned. At least Dubya Bush took to taking the DNC, 0bama and Hillary to task. OH WAIT. The Swamp is getting drained. On the way out the traitors spill their bile and let us know where they've ALWAYS stood: At the altar of 0bama, the DNC, and George Soros. Liberator  posted on  2017-10-25   18:42:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #5. To: Tooconservative (#2) The hard drive might have been removed well before the massacre. To monitor his video cameras and do casual web browsing, he could do it all with a Linux LiveCD or memory stick. You've thought this one out, huh? Why connect dots that aren't there? Even you are stretching on this. Why would someone so supposely cold-blooded and unemotional give flying eff about his hard drive contents? "Embarrassment"? Why not also then consider David Copperfield's involvement? Penn and Teller? Or, how about THIS: Paddock is a patsy?... ...And this was and still is an Op. Or is that as impossible as 911 being an Op? Or JFK? Liberator  posted on  2017-10-25   18:49:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #6. To: Tooconservative (#2) The hard drive might have been removed well before the massacre. Whether he planned to escape or die, that's perhaps even likely. It's well known that police look at computers after a crime like this is committed, and he planned this meticulously. Or someone did. Pinguinite  posted on  2017-10-25   19:14:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #7. To: Liberator (#5) Paddock was locked in and alone in the room. If you aren't aware of it, disassembling laptops and removing their hard drives and reassembling them takes some time. Even someone who is fast would take at least a half hour, I think. Paddock was smart enough to know it is better to leave no tracks. With a LiveCD, you can be sure there are no cookies, not hidden supercookies, no viruses, no trojans or remote control botnet programs, etc. Lots of paranoid people use old laptops this way with a LiveCD. Or they use a USB memory stick, either locked (so nothing is saved) or unlocked and set up to function exactly as a hard drive would work. Paddock seems determined to leave behind no evidence and leave a lot of questions, to remain a man of mystery and murder. He was planning for post-massacre fame. Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-25   19:16:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #8. To: Tooconservative (#7) Paddock seems determined to leave behind no evidence and leave a lot of questions, to remain a man of mystery and murder. He was planning for post-massacre fame. Ho Hum ... This is getting to be SOP for the lone gunman types. tpaine  posted on  2017-10-25   19:33:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #9. To: tpaine (#8) (Edited) Ho Hum ... This is getting to be SOP for the lone gunman types. For maybe a fourth of them. The other 75% leaves manifestos, Facebook/Twitter posts, browser history, etc. to explain how the world has wronged them. I'd say the two types are "Man Of Mystery Berserker" and "Rebel With (Or Without) A Cause". Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-25   19:52:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #10. To: Tooconservative (#9) (Edited) Did you happen to be watching Tucker Carlson just now? Turns out the security guard was in Mexico before he turned up on the degenerate show. -- Needless to say, Tucker had some fun with that. He's turning into quite a CT type... tpaine  posted on  2017-10-25   20:46:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #11. To: Tooconservative, Liberator (#7) disassembling laptops and removing their hard drives and reassembling them takes some time. Even someone who is fast would take at least a half hour, I think. I'm guessing that you've never used a bump fire rifle to open up a laptop? It's not like he was trying to preserve the data for future generations. He could smash it an' bash it, whatever it takes. What with government incompetence and all, it took the FBI/Fusion Center team two weeks or so to "lose" the hard drive. The private sector is much more efficient. The Fusion Team has come up with so many tall tales, that it's difficult to believe their latest lone wolf stories anymore. Why bother to take out the HD, just lose the whole laptop? Hondo68  posted on  2017-10-25   21:00:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #12. To: tpaine (#10) Turns out the security guard was in Mexico before he turned up on the degenerate show. -- Needless to say, Tucker had some fun with that. He's turning into quite a CT type... Tucker seems to stick to straight reporting and sources on the record with few exceptions. If the guard was in Mexico, then he was. And it isn't a matter of conspiracy at all. Records will exist of his crossing the border. Or are border crossing records another form of CT to you? Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-25   21:04:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #13. To: hondo68 (#11) I'm guessing that you've never used a bump fire rifle to open up a laptop? It's not like he was trying to preserve the data for future generations. He could smash it an' bash it, whatever it takes. He was using the laptop to watch his security camera(s) that were planted on that maid's cart out in the hallway. So it had to be a working laptop. No way he had time to fire the volleys, then disassemble/reassemble the laptop, find some way to dispose of the hard drive (not easy). A LiveCD or a tiny bootable USB flash drive could be crushed with his hammer (we know he had one), and then the pieces flung out one of his broken windows. Or flushed down his toilet. My explanation is quite reasonable. You OTOH are raving like a drunken kook. Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-25   21:07:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: Tooconservative (#13) You OTOH are raving like a drunken kook. Chill out, it's the fusion boys story of a missing HD that I'm running with. Yeah, it doesn't make good sense. With an IP video cam/server you don't need much in the way of data storage to see the picture. Our border surveillance setup was pretty simple. In any case, he may have destroyed the stored data near the end, when it became certain that there was no escape, and time was running out fast. It probably was an external drive/thumbdrive. He could have removed the built in HD long ago, and just booted up off of the external drive/stick with it's own OS? But that makes the "missing HD" story even more goofy. Hondo68  posted on  2017-10-25   21:49:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #15. To: hondo68, Willie Green (#14) It probably was an external drive/thumbdrive. He could have removed the built in HD long ago, and just booted up off of the external drive/stick with it's own OS? But that makes the "missing HD" story even more goofy. No, it would still be missing. But maybe it is missing because it was an old laptop he used for untrackable purchases and unmonitored use of internet. Let's say he had an old laptop, the drive fails. He removes the hard drive to see what's wrong, then just decides to use it for a VPN for the internet, web browser, all-around stealthy uses. And a LiveCD is as reliable and as discreet or more discreet than a USB stick (which can be hacked). The LiveCD could be put in a bag and smashed into tiny pieces with his hammer. Then just wrap the little pieces (1-2" square each) in toilet paper and flush them down in 3-4 flushes. Bam, all the evidence that he used a LiveCD would be gone. The same would hold true for a bootable USB drive of course. Or he could just smash a LiveCD into tiny pieces and throw them out the window. As incompetent as this investigation has been, we can't assume that the FBI would have noticed the CD fragments among the glass fragments from the windows he knocked out to shoot from. Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-25   21:56:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #16. To: Tooconservative (#12) If the guard was in Mexico, then he was. And it isn't a matter of conspiracy at all. Records will exist of his crossing the border. Or are border crossing records another form of CT to you? I'll rephrase.... Turns out (the fact is,) the security guard was in Mexico before he turned up on the degenerate show. -- Needless to say, Tucker had some fun with that. It won't surprise me if you claim he, Tucker, is turning into quite a CT type, or worse yet, try to deny that you've been saying that about a lot of others here at LF. tpaine  posted on  2017-10-25   22:14:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #17. To: tpaine (#16) It won't surprise me if you claim he, Tucker, is turning into quite a CT type, or worse yet, try to deny that you've been saying that about a lot of others here at LF. No, Tucker is reporting hard news with real sources. Not making up crap based on the ravings of the kooks who post all that crap about Niburu/Planet X (Stone posted their stuff). And some other equally dicey videos were posted by other kooks by posters who should know better, stuff like multiple shooters in the crowd itself, helicopter gunships flying up and down the Vegas Strip machine gunning the crowds, all kinds of crazy stuff that is too stupid to argue with. It's just YouBoob clickbait. And we had some boobs here at LF clicking on it and posting it here and getting all butthurt when it was pointed out to them that they were just rubes for kooks and massacre profiteers. Which they were. I did finally see all of Tucker's segment. I couldn't find anything to disagree with. It is much the same as I and many others have been saying about this completely incompetent investigation. We really should question whether the FBI has been entirely corrupted with the 0bama/Xlinton political agenda and whether they are still capable of doing any real investigative work that we can rely on. Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-25   22:44:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #18. To: Tooconservative (#17) We really should question whether the FBI has been entirely corrupted with the 0bama/Xlinton political agenda and whether they are still capable of doing any real investigative work that we can rely on. One of Lou Dobbs guests (a congressman?) just said that the fbi is so compromised that they should be shut down, renamed,and reauthorized. The shit is hitting the fan. tpaine  posted on  2017-10-25   23:10:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #19. To: tpaine (#18) One of Lou Dobbs guests (a congressman?) just said that the fbi is so compromised that they should be shut down, renamed,and reauthorized. You know, 0bama had 8 years to wreck that agency along with the Pentagon and others agencies. Maybe things really are that bad. Even the Secret Service is full of drunken whoremongers. Recall those incidents overseas and those two drunk SS guys who crashed their car into the WH gate, no one ever fired either. Trump needs to break the government unions and re-do the entire civil service. And there is considerable precedent for civil service reform by presidents who came from New York City, at various times itself a veritable hotbed of corrupt government. Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-25   23:17:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #20. To: nolu chan (#0) When Fox News Reporters called and asked the Sheriffs office were they aware that the security guard was not licensed in the State of Nevada, they said HE WAS A VICTIM, WE DON"T DISCUSS VICTIMS... That reminds me a lot of what they said when investigators looked into Sandy Hook. Circle the wagons, keep any and all information out of the hands of the public. Exercising rights is only radical to two people, Tyrants and Slaves. Which are YOU? Our ignorance has driven us into slavery and we do not recognize it. jeremiad  posted on  2017-10-25   23:38:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #21. To: Pinguinite, Tooconservative (#6) It's well known that police look at computers after a crime like this is committed, and he planned this meticulously. Or someone did. It was stated in the press that the FBI took the computers to Quantico. nolu chan  posted on  2017-10-26   2:04:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #22. To: hondo68, Tooconservative, Liberator (#11) What with government incompetence and all, it took the FBI/Fusion Center team two weeks or so to "lose" the hard drive. It took the FBI very little time to find the hard drive. It took them weeks to decide it had to be "lost." nolu chan  posted on  2017-10-26   2:08:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #23. To: nolu chan (#22) It took the FBI very little time to find the hard drive. It took them weeks to decide it had to be "lost." And you base this on what evidence (other than sheer conjecture)? Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-26   7:55:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #24. To: Pinguinite, Tooconservative (#6) ("The hard drive might have been removed well before the massacre.") Whether he planned to escape or die, that's perhaps even likely. It's well known that police look at computers after a crime like this is committed, and he planned this meticulously. Or someone did. Yes, there is little doubt that this operation was meticulously planned. BY WHOMEVER. And since when do people only have ONE single computer? And how and why would this guy carefully and with great precision set up a video monitoring system that featured his one and only laptop (in the middle of a supposed epic shooting spree??) Accepting the premise of such multi-tasking a midst a mass execution is patently unrealistic. Q: How can the premise be readily accepted that Paddock is THE Perp? Or that the Op was another "Lone Wolf"?? Once again the Authoritahs have suspiciously and conspicuously failed to provide any proof of their few initial assertions of a narrative that makes absolutely NO sense at all -- specially given the massive Alphabet Agy monitoring and record-keeping resources. The slow, sloppy, purposely-incompetent way this case has been handled discredits the entire investigation. Needless to say, EVERY single tidbit of piecemeal info that trickles out of several intel/investigative depts can't be believed. The intent here is to stall and fatigue those who are trying to monitor the so-called "investigation." It's sickening. Liberator  posted on  2017-10-27   12:24:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #25. To: Liberator, Pinguinite (#24) (Edited) One problem with my scenario of a LiveCD is that Paddock would have had no incentive to destroy and dispose of it other than to be more mysterious to authorities. They would have gotten no info from it. They've made no mention at all of a smartphone. But with todays phablet-type phones being so large, he could easily use one to monitor his hallway webcam instead of carrying the laptop around with him. And all you need for most webcams is an IP address and maybe a password so it could work just as well with a phone as a laptop. However, he was surprised by Campos and apparently only shot at the aviation fuel tanks, then saw Campos on the monitor and shot at him through the door and was panicked into firing a bunch of volleys at the crowd before offing himself to avoid capture. So he got very little use of his hallway webcam which was hidden in the hall on a room service cart or maid's cart. Obviously, Paddock had more plans for how things would unfold and Campos wandering in spoiled those and made him change his plans. Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-27   12:37:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #26. To: Tooconservative (#7) Paddock was locked in and alone in the room. Sez who?? If you aren't aware of it, disassembling laptops and removing their hard drives and reassembling them takes some time. Even someone who is fast would take at least a half hour, I think. Uh, yeah. IF one is able to focus AS they are mowing down hundreds of human beings, Malmady-style. Paddock was smart enough to know it is better to leave no tracks. With a LiveCD, you can be sure there are no cookies, not hidden supercookies, no viruses, no trojans or remote control botnet programs, etc. Whoa pardner. On WHAT authoritah do you claim this to be THE case and truth of the matter? And on what grounds or proof is there to accept with NO questions asked, Paddock as THE perp? Seriously? Kindly cite your sources for what you deem as the truth of the above. Paddock seems determined to leave behind no evidence and leave a lot of questions, to remain a man of mystery and murder. He was planning for post-massacre fame. "Man of Mystery" will remain THE narrative until The Second Coming. The Authoritahs obviously have NO intention of revealing the truth in this case. Now either you are very naive, TC, OR, for some reason seem ever inclined to connect phantom dots while selling every single "official" narrative -- even when there are holes in stories that are simply implausible; AND a investigation that is CLEARLY bungled worst than if a bunch of Inspector Clouseaus were running it. In conclusion, it takes the maximum of the suspension of all logic and common sense to believe an "official" narrative that frankly insults the intelligence of any thinking man. THESE are the SAME people who couldn't indict Hitlery. Holder. Clinton. 0bama. For a myriad of slam-dunk charges. AND submitted the "Dossier." What's THAT tell you, TC?? Liberator  posted on  2017-10-27   12:39:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #27. To: Liberator (#26) (Edited) Whoa pardner. On WHAT authoritah do you claim this to be THE case and truth of the matter? And on what grounds or proof is there to accept with NO questions asked, Paddock as THE perp? Seriously? Kindly cite your sources for what you deem as the truth of the above. All the reporting is pretty consistent that Paddock was a lone shooter. I'm not the one with a compulsive contrarian need to invent CTs out of thin air. Paddock seems determined to leave behind no evidence and leave a lot of questions, to remain a man of mystery and murder. He was planning for post-massacre fame. How do you even know there was a guy named Paddock? How do you know that there was a massacre at all? Maybe it's all just a CIA disinformation campaign. Maybe it was all staged with a few thousand "crisis actors". Maybe the lady taxi driver was the top star among the CIA "crisis actors", huh? The CTs are annoying in that they accept the premise of these massacre reports entirely but then proceed to just make shit up. But if the officials and media and bystanders are all so easily deceived or conned into supporting the Big Lie, why do you believe any of it? You have no rational basis for doing so. You're just picking and choosing facts to believe or disbelieve on a more or less random basis. In conclusion, it takes the maximum of the suspension of all logic and common sense to believe an "official" narrative that frankly insults the intelligence of any thinking man. THESE are the SAME people who couldn't indict Hitlery. Holder. Clinton. 0bama. For a myriad of slam-dunk charges. AND submitted the "Dossier." What's THAT tell you, TC?? It tells me that you mix apples and oranges without any apparent awareness of why it is a mistake to do so. Hitlery has nothing to do with Vegas. At best, any mention of her muddies the waters further. Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-27   12:45:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #28. To: tpaine, Pinguinite, nolu chan, Deckard, hondo68, Stoner, A K A Stone, Tooconservative (#8) Ho Hum ... This is getting to be SOP for the lone gunman types. Yup. It conveniently eliminates the need to connect any further dots. WHILE dismissing the notion of a "conspiracy." Cuz considering "conspiracies" is naughty and calls into account REAL investigations that just might expose certain conspirators. The following vid has been scrubbed for the most part... A projecting, guilty George W. Bush?: "LET US NEVER TOLERATE OUTRAGEOUS CONSPIRACY THEORIES CONCERNING THE ATTACKS OF SEPTEMBER 11th...MALICIOUS LIES THAT ATTEMPT TO SHIFT THE BLAME AWAY FROM THE TERRORISTS THEMSELVES, AWAY FROM THE GUILTY..." Liberator  posted on  2017-10-27   12:59:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #29. To: Tooconservative (#27) (Edited) All the reporting is pretty consistent that Paddock was a lone shooter. Again -- all this "reporting" cites WHOM as their official source?? Not a trick question. I'm not the one with a compulsive contrarian need to invent CTs out of thin air. Did it ever occur to you that YOU are the "contrarian"? What's to "invent"? There are ZERO corroborative facts released THAT CAN BE PROVEN. You've got Keystone Cops conducting the sloppiest major investigation in history despite possessing unprecedented tools. EVERYTHING is conjecture -- including your dot-connecting. That makes YOU the paranoid "conspiracist." ["What's THAT (the SAME people who couldn't indict Hitlery. Holder. Clinton. 0bama. For a myriad of slam-dunk charges) tell you, TC??"] It tells me that you mix apples and oranges without any apparent awareness of why it is a mistake to do so. Hitlery has nothing to do with Vegas. At best, any mention of her muddies the waters further. Nice spin. Too bad the truth CLEARLY tells us that AS A RULE, fedgoob "Investigators" selectively "investigate" perps and cases as a matter of political expediency while masking motives and obvious guilt. Are you now also going to claim that 0bama's IRS, Feebs, NSA, EPA, etc did NOT specifically target conservative and Republicans?? Or didn't fail to indict Hitlery, Lynch and 0bama after that quid pro quo tarmac incident? Liberator  posted on  2017-10-27   13:13:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #30. To: Tooconservative (#27) (Edited) How do you even know there was a guy named Paddock? How do you know that there was a massacre at all? Maybe it's all just a CIA disinformation campaign. Maybe it was all staged with a few thousand "crisis actors". Nice try. Wait; That's pathetic. That's the best you have?? What won't you say and spin to shield the actual truth from leaking? You ALWAYS give the benefit of doubt to "Investigators" and implausible narratives backed by shreds and tiny shards of proof. WHY?? Liberator  posted on  2017-10-27   13:18:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #31. To: Liberator (#29) (Edited) Again -- all this "reporting" cites WHOM as their official source?? Not a trick question. The FBI and the Clark County sheriff and all the news media? These are the same people whose reports you embellish to arrive at your wacky theories (along with some YouBoob videos whose source you cannot vouch for at all). You've got Keystone Cops conducting the sloppiest major investigation in history despite possessing unprecedented tools. EVERYTHING is conjecture -- including your dot-connecting. That makes YOU the paranoid "conspiracist." Uh-huh. Accuse others of what you do. No one is impressed with such a cheap and obvious accusation. Nice spin. I thought so. It's still true. Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-27   13:20:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #32. To: Liberator (#30) What won't you say and spin to shield the actual truth from leaking? You ALWAYS give the benefit of doubt to "Investigators" and implausible narratives backed by shreds and tiny shards of proof. WHY?? You mean, unlike you who gives credence to any kooks who can float some clickbait videos to try to make money off the rubes on YouBoob? Like the Niburu/Planet X kooks? Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-27   13:22:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #33. To: Tooconservative (#31) (Edited) The FBI and the Clark County sheriff and all the news media? The SAME feebs (lead by Comey) who couldn't/wouldn't indict Hitlery despite MOUNTAINS of proof that she's a criminal? So your sources of "truth" are the very SAME "news media" that lies through it's teeth every day to sabotage an undermine the truth (SEE "Journ-O-Listers"), AND of whom colluded with the DNC to give debate question to Hillary? The SAME Sheriff who IMMEDIATELY declared there was "MORE than one shooter"? And who in his presser shook like a leaf,eventually crying at another? Well...good luck with that. Liberator  posted on  2017-10-27   14:03:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #34. To: Tooconservative (#32) (Edited) the Niburu/Planet X kooks? If you want to use the above ridiculous low-end lunacy as your example of investigative reporting (outside YOUR precious NYT, WaPo, and ABC "News" and already discredited feeb colluders) then it's crystal clear where you stand. Liberator  posted on  2017-10-27   14:07:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #35. To: Liberator (#34) There's no point in just retyping all the stuff we've already said. Maybe they'll produce more real info soon. I'm not holding my breath. Clearly, we need numerous firings at the FBI if they can't do better than what we've seen after so much time has passed. Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-27   14:39:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #36. To: Tooconservative, Liberator (#35) There's no point in just retyping all the stuff we've already said. The missing hard drive has been attributed to the cunning skill of the unknown second shooter. After he completed his rampage on the concert, he scaled the glass walls of the Hotel to the 32nd floor, climbed into Paddock's room through one of the broken windows and murdered Paddock. He took the hard drive thus avoiding Jesus, who was still waiting in the hallway. Escaping from the ever-reaching firm grip of the LVPD the unknown second shooter climbed out of the same window and scaled back down the hotel glass walls. He fled into the panicked crowd. buckeroo  posted on  2017-10-27   15:19:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #37. To: buckeroo (#36) The missing hard drive has been attributed to the cunning skill of the unknown second shooter. After he completed his rampage on the concert, he scaled the glass walls of the Hotel to the 32nd floor, climbed into Paddock's room through one of the broken windows and murdered Paddock. He took the hard drive thus avoiding Jesus, who was still waiting in the hallway. Well, it is a conspiracy theory... I'll have to think about that one. Are we sure he didn't have a parachute so he could just fly away unnoticed? Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-27   18:09:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #38. To: Tooconservative (#13) He was using the laptop to watch his security camera(s) that were planted on that maid's cart out in the hallway. So it had to be a working laptop. Presumably that or a smart phone. No way he had time to fire the volleys, then disassemble/reassemble the laptop, find some way to dispose of the hard drive (not easy). Agreed. A LiveCD or a tiny bootable USB flash drive could be crushed with his hammer (we know he had one), and then the pieces flung out one of his broken windows. Or flushed down his toilet. First, he needs a motive to go through the trouble. Wtih a live CD, why bother? And if you try breaking up a CD and flushing it down the toilet, odds are it would clog it up unless it was pretty decently pulverized. Throwing it out the window is no good. I'm sure that debris would be carefully sifted through, as some bullet casings may have gone out the window too. Sure, a smaller flash drive could probably be flushed without problem, but surely if Paddock's computer was found without a HD, then some evidence of a bootable drive would likely be found instead. Bottom line, there has to be a motive for Paddock to take each and every step he took. And the system after booting up on a flash or CD would need to be able to work with the cameras. If it takes some configing, then that would be a drawback on the theory. You can ridicule so-called "conspiracy theories" if you like. That's fine, but the fact remains that we have very little word from the police as to the raw facts of the case. Bullet casing counts, what kind of magazines for which weapons were found, and so on. And this Campos guy is acting a bit funny too, though perhaps taht's to be expected after finding himself a person of national interest in this horrific event. Maybe. Pinguinite  posted on  2017-10-27   20:16:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #39. To: Pinguinite (#38) (Edited) First, he needs a motive to go through the trouble. Wtih a live CD, why bother? And if you try breaking up a CD and flushing it down the toilet, odds are it would clog it up unless it was pretty decently pulverized. Throwing it out the window is no good. I'm sure that debris would be carefully sifted through, as some bullet casings may have gone out the window too. Sure, a smaller flash drive could probably be flushed without problem, but surely if Paddock's computer was found without a HD, then some evidence of a bootable drive would likely be found instead. Bottom line, there has to be a motive for Paddock to take each and every step he took. Not sure if you read my other posts but I did some debunking of my own LiveCD theory along these lines in previous posts. A lot of motive to be a Man Of Mystery so it isn't so satisfying once you start to think about it. And the system after booting up on a flash or CD would need to be able to work with the cameras. If it takes some configing, then that would be a drawback on the theory. Nearly all of them just need an IP address and password. Common as dirt. That's fine, but the fact remains that we have very little word from the police as to the raw facts of the case. Bullet casing counts, what kind of magazines for which weapons were found, and so on. And this Campos guy is acting a bit funny too, though perhaps taht's to be expected after finding himself a person of national interest in this horrific event. Maybe. I"ve certainly decried the absolutely miserable spectacle of the FBI's handling of this on many threads. Campos may be an illegal, fearing repercussions. And his exit to Mexico is suspicious. The Mandalay has a lot to worry about with him. If he is an illegal and/or he lacks a security guard license from the state of Nevada, Mandalay will be on the hook with bloodthirsty lawyers for victims for having an unqualified guard in their hotel or even an unqualified guard who is also an illegal alien. Those lawyers will no doubt argue that a properly licensed guard would have acted more effectively to end the massacre or to interrupt it more than just hiding until Paddock got tired of shooting. This is why Campos only gave one interview and only to a bought-and-paid Mandalay whore mouthpiece, Ellen Degenerate. The Mandalay may as well just hand over the keys to the hotel to the lawyers for the victims. Apparently, Nevada licenses both armed and unarmed security guards according to some professional training sites I looked at. Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-27   20:25:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #40. To: Tooconservative (#23) (Edited) And you base this on what evidence (other than sheer conjecture)? Evidence that I have not gone senile yet. The very first thing they do in computer forensics is mirror the hard drive and write block it. Then they work off the mirror image. Bill Nelson, Amelia Phillips, and Christopher Steuart, Guide to Computer Forensics and Investigations, Fourth Edition, Curse Technology, Cengage Learning, 2010, page 174, Processing and Handling Digital Evidence You must maintain the integrity of digital evidence in the lab as you do when collecting it in the field. Your first task is to preserve the disk data. If you have a suspect computer that hasn't been copied with an imaging tool, you must crete a copy. When you do, be sure to make the suspect drive read only (typically by write-blocking device), and document this step. nolu chan  posted on  2017-10-28   1:08:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #41. To: nolu chan (#40) (Edited) And you think that proves that the FBI made the hard drive disappear deliberately. Whatever. If that's your position, we don't have much to discuss at all. The problem with subscribing to many different CTs to explain the world is that you quickly snowball into a requirement of tens of thousands or even millions of conspirators plotting to keep the truth from the public. It would include witnesses to the events, victims (crisis actors), relatives, police, EMTs, doctors/nurses/hospitabls, morticians/staff, coroners... the list is huge even for just one supposed false-flag event like Vegas. But if that is the case, why do you watch the news at all? If they can fake Vegas (and the JFK assassination and the moon landing and 9/11 and Newtown and aliens at Roswell, etc.), then they can just fake anything so nothing is newsworthy at all. Then they work off the mirror image. Bill Nelson, Amelia Phillips, and Christopher Steuart, Guide to Computer Forensics and Investigations, Fourth Edition, Curse Technology, Cengage Learning, 2010, page 174, Do you own that book or have access to a physical copy of it? How do you know it's not a fake book intended to deceive people like you trying to penetrate the veil of secrecy that apparently is the primary work of the entire federal government? If you just found that off the internet, you can't prove there is a book or that it was written by persons named Bill Nelson, Amelia Phillips, and Christopher Steuart. Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-28   10:43:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply         .       .       . Comments (42 - 85) not displayed. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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