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Title: Las Vegas shooter's laptop missing its hard drive
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URL Source: http://abcnews.go.com/US/las-vegas- ... g-hard-drive/story?id=50709285
Published: Oct 25, 2017
Author: Jack Date, Mike Levine, Pierre Thomas
Post Date: 2017-10-25 14:48:35 by nolu chan
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Las Vegas shooter's laptop missing its hard drive By Jack Date A laptop computer recovered from the Las Vegas hotel room where Stephen Paddock launched the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history was missing its hard drive, depriving investigators of a potential key source of information on why he killed and maimed so many people, ABC News has learned. Paddock is believed to have removed the hard drive before fatally shooting himself, and the missing device has not yet been recovered, sources told ABC News. [snip]
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Oct 25, 2017, 12:15 PM ET
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#6. To: Tooconservative (#2)
Whether he planned to escape or die, that's perhaps even likely. It's well known that police look at computers after a crime like this is committed, and he planned this meticulously. Or someone did.
Paddock was locked in and alone in the room. If you aren't aware of it, disassembling laptops and removing their hard drives and reassembling them takes some time. Even someone who is fast would take at least a half hour, I think. Paddock was smart enough to know it is better to leave no tracks. With a LiveCD, you can be sure there are no cookies, not hidden supercookies, no viruses, no trojans or remote control botnet programs, etc. Lots of paranoid people use old laptops this way with a LiveCD. Or they use a USB memory stick, either locked (so nothing is saved) or unlocked and set up to function exactly as a hard drive would work. Paddock seems determined to leave behind no evidence and leave a lot of questions, to remain a man of mystery and murder. He was planning for post-massacre fame.
Ho Hum ... This is getting to be SOP for the lone gunman types.
For maybe a fourth of them. The other 75% leaves manifestos, Facebook/Twitter posts, browser history, etc. to explain how the world has wronged them. I'd say the two types are "Man Of Mystery Berserker" and "Rebel With (Or Without) A Cause".
Did you happen to be watching Tucker Carlson just now? Turns out the security guard was in Mexico before he turned up on the degenerate show. -- Needless to say, Tucker had some fun with that. He's turning into quite a CT type...
I'm guessing that you've never used a bump fire rifle to open up a laptop? It's not like he was trying to preserve the data for future generations. He could smash it an' bash it, whatever it takes. What with government incompetence and all, it took the FBI/Fusion Center team two weeks or so to "lose" the hard drive. The private sector is much more efficient. The Fusion Team has come up with so many tall tales, that it's difficult to believe their latest lone wolf stories anymore. Why bother to take out the HD, just lose the whole laptop?
Tucker seems to stick to straight reporting and sources on the record with few exceptions. If the guard was in Mexico, then he was. And it isn't a matter of conspiracy at all. Records will exist of his crossing the border. Or are border crossing records another form of CT to you?
He was using the laptop to watch his security camera(s) that were planted on that maid's cart out in the hallway. So it had to be a working laptop. No way he had time to fire the volleys, then disassemble/reassemble the laptop, find some way to dispose of the hard drive (not easy). A LiveCD or a tiny bootable USB flash drive could be crushed with his hammer (we know he had one), and then the pieces flung out one of his broken windows. Or flushed down his toilet. My explanation is quite reasonable. You OTOH are raving like a drunken kook.
Chill out, it's the fusion boys story of a missing HD that I'm running with. Yeah, it doesn't make good sense. With an IP video cam/server you don't need much in the way of data storage to see the picture. Our border surveillance setup was pretty simple. In any case, he may have destroyed the stored data near the end, when it became certain that there was no escape, and time was running out fast. It probably was an external drive/thumbdrive. He could have removed the built in HD long ago, and just booted up off of the external drive/stick with it's own OS? But that makes the "missing HD" story even more goofy.
No, it would still be missing. But maybe it is missing because it was an old laptop he used for untrackable purchases and unmonitored use of internet. Let's say he had an old laptop, the drive fails. He removes the hard drive to see what's wrong, then just decides to use it for a VPN for the internet, web browser, all-around stealthy uses. And a LiveCD is as reliable and as discreet or more discreet than a USB stick (which can be hacked). The LiveCD could be put in a bag and smashed into tiny pieces with his hammer. Then just wrap the little pieces (1-2" square each) in toilet paper and flush them down in 3-4 flushes. Bam, all the evidence that he used a LiveCD would be gone. The same would hold true for a bootable USB drive of course. Or he could just smash a LiveCD into tiny pieces and throw them out the window. As incompetent as this investigation has been, we can't assume that the FBI would have noticed the CD fragments among the glass fragments from the windows he knocked out to shoot from.
Or are border crossing records another form of CT to you? I'll rephrase.... Turns out (the fact is,) the security guard was in Mexico before he turned up on the degenerate show. -- Needless to say, Tucker had some fun with that. It won't surprise me if you claim he, Tucker, is turning into quite a CT type, or worse yet, try to deny that you've been saying that about a lot of others here at LF.
No, Tucker is reporting hard news with real sources. Not making up crap based on the ravings of the kooks who post all that crap about Niburu/Planet X (Stone posted their stuff). And some other equally dicey videos were posted by other kooks by posters who should know better, stuff like multiple shooters in the crowd itself, helicopter gunships flying up and down the Vegas Strip machine gunning the crowds, all kinds of crazy stuff that is too stupid to argue with. It's just YouBoob clickbait. And we had some boobs here at LF clicking on it and posting it here and getting all butthurt when it was pointed out to them that they were just rubes for kooks and massacre profiteers. Which they were. I did finally see all of Tucker's segment. I couldn't find anything to disagree with. It is much the same as I and many others have been saying about this completely incompetent investigation. We really should question whether the FBI has been entirely corrupted with the 0bama/Xlinton political agenda and whether they are still capable of doing any real investigative work that we can rely on.
One of Lou Dobbs guests (a congressman?) just said that the fbi is so compromised that they should be shut down, renamed,and reauthorized. The shit is hitting the fan.
You know, 0bama had 8 years to wreck that agency along with the Pentagon and others agencies. Maybe things really are that bad. Even the Secret Service is full of drunken whoremongers. Recall those incidents overseas and those two drunk SS guys who crashed their car into the WH gate, no one ever fired either. Trump needs to break the government unions and re-do the entire civil service. And there is considerable precedent for civil service reform by presidents who came from New York City, at various times itself a veritable hotbed of corrupt government.
When Fox News Reporters called and asked the Sheriffs office were they aware that the security guard was not licensed in the State of Nevada, they said HE WAS A VICTIM, WE DON"T DISCUSS VICTIMS... That reminds me a lot of what they said when investigators looked into Sandy Hook. Circle the wagons, keep any and all information out of the hands of the public.
Exercising rights is only radical to two people, Tyrants and Slaves. Which are YOU? Our ignorance has driven us into slavery and we do not recognize it.
It was stated in the press that the FBI took the computers to Quantico.
It took the FBI very little time to find the hard drive. It took them weeks to decide it had to be "lost."
And you base this on what evidence (other than sheer conjecture)?
Whether he planned to escape or die, that's perhaps even likely. It's well known that police look at computers after a crime like this is committed, and he planned this meticulously. Or someone did. Yes, there is little doubt that this operation was meticulously planned. BY WHOMEVER. And since when do people only have ONE single computer? And how and why would this guy carefully and with great precision set up a video monitoring system that featured his one and only laptop (in the middle of a supposed epic shooting spree??) Accepting the premise of such multi-tasking a midst a mass execution is patently unrealistic. Q: How can the premise be readily accepted that Paddock is THE Perp? Or that the Op was another "Lone Wolf"?? Once again the Authoritahs have suspiciously and conspicuously failed to provide any proof of their few initial assertions of a narrative that makes absolutely NO sense at all -- specially given the massive Alphabet Agy monitoring and record-keeping resources. The slow, sloppy, purposely-incompetent way this case has been handled discredits the entire investigation. Needless to say, EVERY single tidbit of piecemeal info that trickles out of several intel/investigative depts can't be believed. The intent here is to stall and fatigue those who are trying to monitor the so-called "investigation." It's sickening.
One problem with my scenario of a LiveCD is that Paddock would have had no incentive to destroy and dispose of it other than to be more mysterious to authorities. They would have gotten no info from it. They've made no mention at all of a smartphone. But with todays phablet-type phones being so large, he could easily use one to monitor his hallway webcam instead of carrying the laptop around with him. And all you need for most webcams is an IP address and maybe a password so it could work just as well with a phone as a laptop. However, he was surprised by Campos and apparently only shot at the aviation fuel tanks, then saw Campos on the monitor and shot at him through the door and was panicked into firing a bunch of volleys at the crowd before offing himself to avoid capture. So he got very little use of his hallway webcam which was hidden in the hall on a room service cart or maid's cart. Obviously, Paddock had more plans for how things would unfold and Campos wandering in spoiled those and made him change his plans.
Sez who?? If you aren't aware of it, disassembling laptops and removing their hard drives and reassembling them takes some time. Even someone who is fast would take at least a half hour, I think. Uh, yeah. IF one is able to focus AS they are mowing down hundreds of human beings, Malmady-style. Paddock was smart enough to know it is better to leave no tracks. With a LiveCD, you can be sure there are no cookies, not hidden supercookies, no viruses, no trojans or remote control botnet programs, etc. Whoa pardner. On WHAT authoritah do you claim this to be THE case and truth of the matter? And on what grounds or proof is there to accept with NO questions asked, Paddock as THE perp? Seriously? Kindly cite your sources for what you deem as the truth of the above. Paddock seems determined to leave behind no evidence and leave a lot of questions, to remain a man of mystery and murder. He was planning for post-massacre fame. "Man of Mystery" will remain THE narrative until The Second Coming. The Authoritahs obviously have NO intention of revealing the truth in this case. Now either you are very naive, TC, OR, for some reason seem ever inclined to connect phantom dots while selling every single "official" narrative -- even when there are holes in stories that are simply implausible; AND a investigation that is CLEARLY bungled worst than if a bunch of Inspector Clouseaus were running it. In conclusion, it takes the maximum of the suspension of all logic and common sense to believe an "official" narrative that frankly insults the intelligence of any thinking man. THESE are the SAME people who couldn't indict Hitlery. Holder. Clinton. 0bama. For a myriad of slam-dunk charges. AND submitted the "Dossier." What's THAT tell you, TC??
All the reporting is pretty consistent that Paddock was a lone shooter. I'm not the one with a compulsive contrarian need to invent CTs out of thin air. How do you even know there was a guy named Paddock? How do you know that there was a massacre at all? Maybe it's all just a CIA disinformation campaign. Maybe it was all staged with a few thousand "crisis actors". Maybe the lady taxi driver was the top star among the CIA "crisis actors", huh? The CTs are annoying in that they accept the premise of these massacre reports entirely but then proceed to just make shit up. But if the officials and media and bystanders are all so easily deceived or conned into supporting the Big Lie, why do you believe any of it? You have no rational basis for doing so. You're just picking and choosing facts to believe or disbelieve on a more or less random basis. What's THAT tell you, TC?? It tells me that you mix apples and oranges without any apparent awareness of why it is a mistake to do so. Hitlery has nothing to do with Vegas. At best, any mention of her muddies the waters further.
Yup. It conveniently eliminates the need to connect any further dots. WHILE dismissing the notion of a "conspiracy." Cuz considering "conspiracies" is naughty and calls into account REAL investigations that just might expose certain conspirators. The following vid has been scrubbed for the most part... A projecting, guilty George W. Bush?: "LET US NEVER TOLERATE OUTRAGEOUS CONSPIRACY THEORIES CONCERNING THE ATTACKS OF SEPTEMBER 11th...MALICIOUS LIES THAT ATTEMPT TO SHIFT THE BLAME AWAY FROM THE TERRORISTS THEMSELVES, AWAY FROM THE GUILTY..."
Again -- all this "reporting" cites WHOM as their official source?? Not a trick question. I'm not the one with a compulsive contrarian need to invent CTs out of thin air. Did it ever occur to you that YOU are the "contrarian"? What's to "invent"? There are ZERO corroborative facts released THAT CAN BE PROVEN. You've got Keystone Cops conducting the sloppiest major investigation in history despite possessing unprecedented tools. EVERYTHING is conjecture -- including your dot-connecting. That makes YOU the paranoid "conspiracist." ["What's THAT (the SAME people who couldn't indict Hitlery. Holder. Clinton. 0bama. For a myriad of slam-dunk charges) tell you, TC??"] It tells me that you mix apples and oranges without any apparent awareness of why it is a mistake to do so. Hitlery has nothing to do with Vegas. At best, any mention of her muddies the waters further. Nice spin. Too bad the truth CLEARLY tells us that AS A RULE, fedgoob "Investigators" selectively "investigate" perps and cases as a matter of political expediency while masking motives and obvious guilt. Are you now also going to claim that 0bama's IRS, Feebs, NSA, EPA, etc did NOT specifically target conservative and Republicans?? Or didn't fail to indict Hitlery, Lynch and 0bama after that quid pro quo tarmac incident?
Nice try. Wait; That's pathetic. That's the best you have?? What won't you say and spin to shield the actual truth from leaking? You ALWAYS give the benefit of doubt to "Investigators" and implausible narratives backed by shreds and tiny shards of proof. WHY??
The FBI and the Clark County sheriff and all the news media? These are the same people whose reports you embellish to arrive at your wacky theories (along with some YouBoob videos whose source you cannot vouch for at all). Uh-huh. Accuse others of what you do. No one is impressed with such a cheap and obvious accusation. I thought so. It's still true.
You mean, unlike you who gives credence to any kooks who can float some clickbait videos to try to make money off the rubes on YouBoob? Like the Niburu/Planet X kooks?
The SAME feebs (lead by Comey) who couldn't/wouldn't indict Hitlery despite MOUNTAINS of proof that she's a criminal? So your sources of "truth" are the very SAME "news media" that lies through it's teeth every day to sabotage an undermine the truth (SEE "Journ-O-Listers"), AND of whom colluded with the DNC to give debate question to Hillary? The SAME Sheriff who IMMEDIATELY declared there was "MORE than one shooter"? And who in his presser shook like a leaf,eventually crying at another? Well...good luck with that.
If you want to use the above ridiculous low-end lunacy as your example of investigative reporting (outside YOUR precious NYT, WaPo, and ABC "News" and already discredited feeb colluders) then it's crystal clear where you stand.
There's no point in just retyping all the stuff we've already said. Maybe they'll produce more real info soon. I'm not holding my breath. Clearly, we need numerous firings at the FBI if they can't do better than what we've seen after so much time has passed.
The missing hard drive has been attributed to the cunning skill of the unknown second shooter. After he completed his rampage on the concert, he scaled the glass walls of the Hotel to the 32nd floor, climbed into Paddock's room through one of the broken windows and murdered Paddock. He took the hard drive thus avoiding Jesus, who was still waiting in the hallway. Escaping from the ever-reaching firm grip of the LVPD the unknown second shooter climbed out of the same window and scaled back down the hotel glass walls. He fled into the panicked crowd.
Well, it is a conspiracy theory... I'll have to think about that one. Are we sure he didn't have a parachute so he could just fly away unnoticed?
Presumably that or a smart phone. Agreed. First, he needs a motive to go through the trouble. Wtih a live CD, why bother? And if you try breaking up a CD and flushing it down the toilet, odds are it would clog it up unless it was pretty decently pulverized. Throwing it out the window is no good. I'm sure that debris would be carefully sifted through, as some bullet casings may have gone out the window too. Sure, a smaller flash drive could probably be flushed without problem, but surely if Paddock's computer was found without a HD, then some evidence of a bootable drive would likely be found instead. Bottom line, there has to be a motive for Paddock to take each and every step he took. And the system after booting up on a flash or CD would need to be able to work with the cameras. If it takes some configing, then that would be a drawback on the theory. You can ridicule so-called "conspiracy theories" if you like. That's fine, but the fact remains that we have very little word from the police as to the raw facts of the case. Bullet casing counts, what kind of magazines for which weapons were found, and so on. And this Campos guy is acting a bit funny too, though perhaps taht's to be expected after finding himself a person of national interest in this horrific event. Maybe.
Not sure if you read my other posts but I did some debunking of my own LiveCD theory along these lines in previous posts. A lot of motive to be a Man Of Mystery so it isn't so satisfying once you start to think about it. Nearly all of them just need an IP address and password. Common as dirt. I"ve certainly decried the absolutely miserable spectacle of the FBI's handling of this on many threads. Campos may be an illegal, fearing repercussions. And his exit to Mexico is suspicious. The Mandalay has a lot to worry about with him. If he is an illegal and/or he lacks a security guard license from the state of Nevada, Mandalay will be on the hook with bloodthirsty lawyers for victims for having an unqualified guard in their hotel or even an unqualified guard who is also an illegal alien. Those lawyers will no doubt argue that a properly licensed guard would have acted more effectively to end the massacre or to interrupt it more than just hiding until Paddock got tired of shooting. This is why Campos only gave one interview and only to a bought-and-paid Mandalay whore mouthpiece, Ellen Degenerate. The Mandalay may as well just hand over the keys to the hotel to the lawyers for the victims. Apparently, Nevada licenses both armed and unarmed security guards according to some professional training sites I looked at.
Evidence that I have not gone senile yet. The very first thing they do in computer forensics is mirror the hard drive and write block it. Then they work off the mirror image. Bill Nelson, Amelia Phillips, and Christopher Steuart, Guide to Computer Forensics and Investigations, Fourth Edition, Curse Technology, Cengage Learning, 2010, page 174,
And you think that proves that the FBI made the hard drive disappear deliberately. Whatever. If that's your position, we don't have much to discuss at all. The problem with subscribing to many different CTs to explain the world is that you quickly snowball into a requirement of tens of thousands or even millions of conspirators plotting to keep the truth from the public. It would include witnesses to the events, victims (crisis actors), relatives, police, EMTs, doctors/nurses/hospitabls, morticians/staff, coroners... the list is huge even for just one supposed false-flag event like Vegas. But if that is the case, why do you watch the news at all? If they can fake Vegas (and the JFK assassination and the moon landing and 9/11 and Newtown and aliens at Roswell, etc.), then they can just fake anything so nothing is newsworthy at all. Do you own that book or have access to a physical copy of it? How do you know it's not a fake book intended to deceive people like you trying to penetrate the veil of secrecy that apparently is the primary work of the entire federal government? If you just found that off the internet, you can't prove there is a book or that it was written by persons named Bill Nelson, Amelia Phillips, and Christopher Steuart.
It means they have known for about four weeks that they did not have the hard drive. Do you own that book or have access to a physical copy of it? How do you know it's not a fake book intended to deceive people like you trying to penetrate the veil of secrecy that apparently is the primary work of the entire federal government? If you just found that off the internet, you can't prove there is a book or that it was written by persons named Bill Nelson, Amelia Phillips, and Christopher Steuart. I own that book, physical copy, and more on the topic of computer forensics. I do not believe all my books are fake, or that they cannot be found at places like Amazon or Barnes & Noble. However, you are entitled to your conspiracy theory kookery that I have suddenly begun inventing sources. I also own a physical copy of the companion book, Lab Manual for Guide to Computer Forensics and Investigations, by Andrew Blitz, 2011. This covers use of the AccessData ProDiscover imaging tool, and states at page 46, Objectives During the process of seizing a storage device, investigators use imaging tools to create a forensic copy that can be safely analyzed without the danger of damaging or deleting potential evidence. The forensic image is an exact copy of the original evidence, including any unallocated space or bad clusters. In addition, the imaging process creates a hash signature of the original and the duplicated copy to validate the scientific imaging process and ensure that no file has been omitted or changed in any way. The two hash signatures are compared with each other, and if they match, the copy is considered legally identical to the original. The forensic copy maintains the chain of custody from the time the seized device was imaged until the end of the investigation. In addition, the information obtained by the various tools applied to the evidence will be listed in a report that can be examined during the trial by investigators and court personnel. I also own a physical copy of Eoghan Casey, Computer Evidence and Computer Crime, Forensic Science, Computers and the Internet, Third Edition, Elsevier, 2011. Chapter 6, section 3, para 6.3.4, page 210 states; I also own a physical copy of Steve Bunting, EnCE, The Official EnCase® Certified Examiner Study Guide, Second Edition, Sybex, 2008. At page 110 it states, EnCase® is used to create usable evidence files, commonly called images. This is the first step in the lab. If the computer is found in an on state, the first step is to photograph a clear copy the screen to document the on state. Other concerns, such as the on computer being networked, create some more to document before turning the computer offf and taking it to the lab. I also own a physical copy of EC-Council|Press, Computer Forensics, Investigation Procedures and Response, Volume 1 of 5 mapping to C|HFI™, Computer Hacking Forensic Investigator Certification, Course Technology, CENGAGE Learning, 2010, which states at page 3-17, For digital evidence, forensic principles are generally enforced. The National Institute of Justice (2004) describes these principles. Depending on the type of case and media, the corresponding examination methodologies are used. Proper training must be given to those who conduct examinations. For conducting examinations, examiners must: Analysis of recovered data involves interpreting the data and putting it into a logical and useful format (for example, determining how the evidence got there, what it means, and where it came from). Analysis is the phase in which acquired data turns to evidence. When conducting the evidence examination, the following steps should be taken into consideration: Proper forensic holds, (1) "examiners must use accepted procedures, and (2) avoid using the original evidence." They make a copy of the zeros and ones on the original media that is verified. One of the verifications is a hash analysis. I have said nothing of Las Vegas having been a false flag event.
Good. Then you aren't a full-blown kook. They did some major clampdown on releasing any info. Apparently, the mean comments on Twitter were making the Clark county sheriff cry too much or something. So given how any info has been reduced to a trickle, maybe it isn't a surprise that it took weeks for the missing hard drive to be mentioned to the public. We have no other info on whether the laptop was found powered on or not. If it was booted with a LiveCD or USB flash drive, then Paddock would have had to shut it off. Maybe he would but you have to wonder if his desire to be a Man Of Mystery was strong enough as he prepared to shoot himself in the head after shooting over 500 people.
Escaping from the ever-reaching firm grip of the LVPD the unknown second shooter climbed out of the same window and scaled back down the hotel glass walls. He fled into the panicked crowd. Yes...that's IF we accept the movie-like premise of Mission Impossible-like planning and skills from a second shooter. AND the premise that there was any such laptop in the alleged perp's room; Paddock is presumed to be THE prime perp; AND premise that destroying the hard drive would be the priority of a deranged madman. AS he was spraying a crowd of thousands with thousands of rounds of ammo. Talk about multi-tasking.
Good. Then you aren't a full-blown kook. Lol@ The Erasure engaging in a Alinsky-ite blitzkrieg of "KOOOOK!!" Someone here counted the number of instances TC used the word "kook" since Vegas." I find it hard to believe, and haven't counted myself, but I hear it's near a hundred. And btw, this case has ALL the gravy and trimmings that make up a "False Flag." (It's not our fault The Mechanics make it obvious. And you connect Official Fairy Tale phantom dots.)
We don't have evidence that Paddock was using a LiveCD or USB flash drive. He did not have to shut it off, the computer could have been found in the on state. He could have wanted to be a Man of Mystery because he was an asset of the ATF/FBI/CIA or somesuch acting as an arms dealer. He seemed to do well for someone with no claim to employment. There is no compelling evidence that Paddock shot anyone, or that he shot himself. If it was Paddock's body, somebody shot him. So far, there is an official story with little evidence provided.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestThe hard drive might have been removed well before the massacre.
#7. To: Liberator (#5)
#8. To: Tooconservative (#7)
Paddock seems determined to leave behind no evidence and leave a lot of questions, to remain a man of mystery and murder. He was planning for post-massacre fame.
#9. To: tpaine (#8)
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Ho Hum ... This is getting to be SOP for the lone gunman types.
#10. To: Tooconservative (#9)
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#11. To: Tooconservative, Liberator (#7)
disassembling laptops and removing their hard drives and reassembling them takes some time. Even someone who is fast would take at least a half hour, I think.
#12. To: tpaine (#10)
Turns out the security guard was in Mexico before he turned up on the degenerate show. -- Needless to say, Tucker had some fun with that. He's turning into quite a CT type...
#13. To: hondo68 (#11)
I'm guessing that you've never used a bump fire rifle to open up a laptop? It's not like he was trying to preserve the data for future generations. He could smash it an' bash it, whatever it takes.
#14. To: Tooconservative (#13)
You OTOH are raving like a drunken kook.
#15. To: hondo68, Willie Green (#14)
It probably was an external drive/thumbdrive. He could have removed the built in HD long ago, and just booted up off of the external drive/stick with it's own OS? But that makes the "missing HD" story even more goofy.
#16. To: Tooconservative (#12)
If the guard was in Mexico, then he was. And it isn't a matter of conspiracy at all. Records will exist of his crossing the border.
#17. To: tpaine (#16)
It won't surprise me if you claim he, Tucker, is turning into quite a CT type, or worse yet, try to deny that you've been saying that about a lot of others here at LF.
#18. To: Tooconservative (#17)
We really should question whether the FBI has been entirely corrupted with the 0bama/Xlinton political agenda and whether they are still capable of doing any real investigative work that we can rely on.
#19. To: tpaine (#18)
One of Lou Dobbs guests (a congressman?) just said that the fbi is so compromised that they should be shut down, renamed,and reauthorized.
#20. To: nolu chan (#0)
#21. To: Pinguinite, Tooconservative (#6)
It's well known that police look at computers after a crime like this is committed, and he planned this meticulously. Or someone did.
#22. To: hondo68, Tooconservative, Liberator (#11)
What with government incompetence and all, it took the FBI/Fusion Center team two weeks or so to "lose" the hard drive.
#23. To: nolu chan (#22)
It took the FBI very little time to find the hard drive. It took them weeks to decide it had to be "lost."
#24. To: Pinguinite, Tooconservative (#6)
("The hard drive might have been removed well before the massacre.")
#25. To: Liberator, Pinguinite (#24)
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#26. To: Tooconservative (#7)
Paddock was locked in and alone in the room.
#27. To: Liberator (#26)
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Whoa pardner. On WHAT authoritah do you claim this to be THE case and truth of the matter? And on what grounds or proof is there to accept with NO questions asked, Paddock as THE perp? Seriously? Kindly cite your sources for what you deem as the truth of the above.
Paddock seems determined to leave behind no evidence and leave a lot of questions, to remain a man of mystery and murder. He was planning for post-massacre fame.
In conclusion, it takes the maximum of the suspension of all logic and common sense to believe an "official" narrative that frankly insults the intelligence of any thinking man. THESE are the SAME people who couldn't indict Hitlery. Holder. Clinton. 0bama. For a myriad of slam-dunk charges. AND submitted the "Dossier."
#28. To: tpaine, Pinguinite, nolu chan, Deckard, hondo68, Stoner, A K A Stone, Tooconservative (#8)
Ho Hum ... This is getting to be SOP for the lone gunman types.
#29. To: Tooconservative (#27)
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All the reporting is pretty consistent that Paddock was a lone shooter.
#30. To: Tooconservative (#27)
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How do you even know there was a guy named Paddock? How do you know that there was a massacre at all? Maybe it's all just a CIA disinformation campaign. Maybe it was all staged with a few thousand "crisis actors".
#31. To: Liberator (#29)
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Again -- all this "reporting" cites WHOM as their official source?? Not a trick question.
You've got Keystone Cops conducting the sloppiest major investigation in history despite possessing unprecedented tools. EVERYTHING is conjecture -- including your dot-connecting. That makes YOU the paranoid "conspiracist."
Nice spin.
#32. To: Liberator (#30)
What won't you say and spin to shield the actual truth from leaking? You ALWAYS give the benefit of doubt to "Investigators" and implausible narratives backed by shreds and tiny shards of proof. WHY??
#33. To: Tooconservative (#31)
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The FBI and the Clark County sheriff and all the news media?
#34. To: Tooconservative (#32)
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the Niburu/Planet X kooks?
#35. To: Liberator (#34)
#36. To: Tooconservative, Liberator (#35)
There's no point in just retyping all the stuff we've already said.
#37. To: buckeroo (#36)
The missing hard drive has been attributed to the cunning skill of the unknown second shooter. After he completed his rampage on the concert, he scaled the glass walls of the Hotel to the 32nd floor, climbed into Paddock's room through one of the broken windows and murdered Paddock. He took the hard drive thus avoiding Jesus, who was still waiting in the hallway.
#38. To: Tooconservative (#13)
He was using the laptop to watch his security camera(s) that were planted on that maid's cart out in the hallway. So it had to be a working laptop.
No way he had time to fire the volleys, then disassemble/reassemble the laptop, find some way to dispose of the hard drive (not easy).
A LiveCD or a tiny bootable USB flash drive could be crushed with his hammer (we know he had one), and then the pieces flung out one of his broken windows. Or flushed down his toilet.
#39. To: Pinguinite (#38)
(Edited)
First, he needs a motive to go through the trouble. Wtih a live CD, why bother? And if you try breaking up a CD and flushing it down the toilet, odds are it would clog it up unless it was pretty decently pulverized. Throwing it out the window is no good. I'm sure that debris would be carefully sifted through, as some bullet casings may have gone out the window too. Sure, a smaller flash drive could probably be flushed without problem, but surely if Paddock's computer was found without a HD, then some evidence of a bootable drive would likely be found instead. Bottom line, there has to be a motive for Paddock to take each and every step he took.
And the system after booting up on a flash or CD would need to be able to work with the cameras. If it takes some configing, then that would be a drawback on the theory.
That's fine, but the fact remains that we have very little word from the police as to the raw facts of the case. Bullet casing counts, what kind of magazines for which weapons were found, and so on. And this Campos guy is acting a bit funny too, though perhaps taht's to be expected after finding himself a person of national interest in this horrific event. Maybe.
#40. To: Tooconservative (#23)
(Edited)
And you base this on what evidence (other than sheer conjecture)?
Processing and Handling Digital Evidence You must maintain the integrity of digital evidence in the lab as you do when collecting it in the field. Your first task is to preserve the disk data. If you have a suspect computer that hasn't been copied with an imaging tool, you must crete a copy. When you do, be sure to make the suspect drive read only (typically by write-blocking device), and document this step.
#41. To: nolu chan (#40)
(Edited)
Then they work off the mirror image. Bill Nelson, Amelia Phillips, and Christopher Steuart, Guide to Computer Forensics and Investigations, Fourth Edition, Curse Technology, Cengage Learning, 2010, page 174,
#42. To: Tooconservative (#41)
And you think that proves that the FBI made the hard drive disappear deliberately.
Then they work off the mirror image. Bill Nelson, Amelia Phillips, and Christopher Steuart, Guide to Computer Forensics and Investigations, Fourth Edition, Curse Technology, Cengage Learning, 2010, page 174,
Lab 4.1 Data Acquisition in ProDiscover
To many practitioners in digital forensics, the preservation step is where digitla forensics begins. It is generally the first stage in the proces that employs commonly used tools of a particular type. The output of this state is usually a set of duplicate copies of all sources of digital data. This output provides investigators with two categories of exhibits. First, the original material is cataloged and stored in a proper environmentally controlled location, in an unmodified state. Second, an exact duplicate of the original material is created that will be srutiniz3ed as the investigation continues.
Following best forensics practices, I typically conduct examinations or analyses on copies of the original evidence. In this manner, I preserve the original, protecting it from alteration or corruption. The copy of the original evidence is more commonly called an image. For this image to be a copy and the legal equivalent of the original, it must represent a duplicate image of the original. This, every one and zero on the original must be replicated on the copy or image. In this chapter, I'll discuss the various methods of acquiring the original evidence and rendering from it an image upon which you can conduct your forensic examinations.
Evidence Examination
The problem with subscribing to many different CTs to explain the world is that you quickly snowball into a requirement of tens of thousands or even millions of conspirators plotting to keep the truth from the public. It would include witnesses to the events, victims (crisis actors), relatives, police, EMTs, doctors/nurses/hospitabls, morticians/staff, coroners... the list is huge even for just one supposed false-flag event like Vegas.
#43. To: nolu chan (#42)
(Edited)
I have said nothing of Las Vegas having been a false flag event.
It means they have known for about four weeks that they did not have the hard drive.
#44. To: buckeroo (#36)
The missing hard drive has been attributed to the cunning skill of the unknown second shooter. After he completed his rampage on the concert, he scaled the glass walls of the Hotel to the 32nd floor, climbed into Paddock's room through one of the broken windows and murdered Paddock. He took the hard drive thus avoiding Jesus, who was still waiting in the hallway.
#45. To: Tooconservative, nolu chan, Deckerd (#43)
("I have said nothing of Las Vegas having been a false flag event.")
#46. To: Tooconservative (#43)
We have no other info on whether the laptop was found powered on or not. If it was booted with a LiveCD or USB flash drive, then Paddock would have had to shut it off. Maybe he would but you have to wonder if his desire to be a Man Of Mystery was strong enough as he prepared to shoot himself in the head after shooting over 500 people.
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