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Title: Profile In Treason: The Inconceivable Evil Of John McCain—“Man Of Blood”
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The Unz Review
URL Source: http://www.unz.com/article/profile- ... l-of-john-mccain-man-of-blood/
Published: Oct 17, 2017
Author: James Kirkpatrick
Post Date: 2017-10-20 14:59:06 by Deckard
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There is no hatred more complete and no malevolence more fanatical than that held by the American political class for the American people. The commissar’s rage against the kulaks, the jihadist’s fury against the infidel, the inquisitor’s wrath against the unbeliever, all of this pales in comparison to the genocidal bloodlust Senators and Congressmen have against their own constituents. And even as they gleefully promote the outsourcing of jobs, the importation of cheap labor, and the ruthless extirpation of property, wealth and liberty, these shameless parasites demand their slaves die to export their filthy System all over the world. The most contemptible and dangerous of these vermin is Senator John McCain. In a political career marked by near constant betrayal and hypocrisy, there are only two constants to his bloody career. The first is a passion for war, any war, for any reason, which can only be termed pathological. The second is the desire to replace the people of his own state and the voters of his own party. Like a dying venomous snake, McCain is using his final moments to strike at President Trump and those who supported him. In remarks gleefully repeated by the sociopathic controlled media, McCain simpered: To fear the world we have organized and led for three-quarters of a century, to abandon the ideals we have advanced around the globe, to refuse the obligations of international leadership and our duty to remain ‘the last best hope of earth’ for the sake of some half-baked, spurious nationalism cooked up by people who would rather find scapegoats than solve problems is as unpatriotic as an attachment to any other tired dogma of the past that Americans consigned to the ash heap of history. [Read John McCain’s Liberty Medal ceremony speech, Boston Globe, October 17, 2017] One aches to ask Senator McCain directly what “problem” he thinks will be more effectively “solved” by importing the Third World. National security? Health care? Collapsing wages? Rising inequality? Crumbling infrastructure? McCain’s mumblings are practically self-discrediting. But as American journalists exist to serve power and suppress dissent it’s unlikely the Senator has been or will ever be asked to defend such ludicrous claims. “We live in a land made of ideals, not blood and soil,” he explained. “We are the custodians of those ideals at home, and their champion abroad.” These ideals, as is customary when they are invoked, are not defined. Yet given McCain’s tributes to the “immigrant’s dream,” the land which “reinvents itself,” and the current “international order,” his remarks are being hyped as a rebuke of “Trumpism” and celebrated by Leftist journalists who suddenly claim the right to define what is “conservatism” or “Republicanism” [John McCain just delivered a total and complete takedown of Trumpism, by Chris Cillizza, CNN, October 17, 2017] McCain’s ideals would be unrecognizable, not only to the Founding Fathers, but to practically any other American generation in history. Would the Father of Our Country have countenanced endless interventionism? Would either Jefferson or Hamilton have recognized a moral imperative for self-annihilation? Would any Federalist or anti-Federalist celebrate the replacement of the very people who had just won independence from the British Empire? McCain’s denunciation of “nationalism” is also selective. McCain is quite eager to defend the borders of other nations. “We are all Ukrainians,” he declared on one occasion [Senator John McCain: “We Are All Ukrainians, by Jay Newton-Small, Time, February 28, 2014]. “We are all Georgians” he pronounced on another. It is only when it comes to America that McCain’s “patriotism” becomes abstract and imaginary. Indeed, it seems every people on earth has a right to “blood and soil” which must be safeguarded by American arms, except Americans themselves. Even as this is written, Kurds and Iraqis are on the brink of war [The Kurdish War with Iraq, by Thomas Ricks, Foreign Policy, October 17, 2017]. If it erupts, once again, the tribal hatreds and border conflicts of peoples who should be of interest to us only in anthropology textbooks will be cause for the death of American soldiers. The sacrifice of our military is framed as “leadership.” “That leadership has had its costs, but we have become incomparably powerful and wealthy as we did,” McCain gloats. And he is right, in speaking of his peers; he and his fellow parasites are indeed incomparably powerful and wealthy. But such power and wealth does not trickle down to those he ostensibly represents. The wages of working Americans have stagnated for decades, and even skilled workers can barely earn a wage sufficient to support a family. And “power?” The tyranny of George III that our forefathers rose against would be a glorious boon for ordinary Americans of today, as their lives, families, communities, and property are forfeit to the whims of unelected bureaucrats, publicly funded “activists,” or sadistic reporters eager to rouse a mob. McCain’s tribute to America’s “power” and “wealth” is reminiscent of an Ottoman sultan boasting about shared victories to the janissaries he’s kidnapped from Eastern Europe. The democratic system McCain pledges Americans to defend is a form of government in which elected officials blatantly lie to their constituents and then taunt them at the very moment of betrayal. Consider McCain himself. He campaigned on repealing Obamacare, and then gleefully voted to save it [Mr. McCain Goes To Washington, by John Fund, National Review, July 30, 2017] He promised to “complete the danged fence” but instead has done his best to make sure Arizona ceases to be an American state in any meaningful sense. One may disagree with monarchy or some other form of unelected leadership, but it seems vastly preferably to a system where political power is awarded to the most outrageous liar. Such a system should not be tolerated, let alone fought for. Besides, the liberal international order McCain defends is nothing of the kind. The Western world is not free. [The Liberalism That Isn’t, by Costin Alamariu, Daily Caller, September 7, 2017] East Germany in the 1980s was in some ways more free than contemporary Germany is today: it would not have occurred to Erich Honecker to expose his subjects to mass sexual assault at the hands of Muslim invaders and then arrest anyone who protests. [Married couple sentenced for migrant critical Facebook post, by Chris Tomlinson, Breitbart, July 8, 2016] The Occupation Government in Washington has presided over the Death of the West. The world order McCain defends is, quite explicitly, built on the dispossession of the European-Americans who actually created the American polity. If our civilization or country is to survive in any meaningful sense, that order must be destroyed. And that means replacing the political class, the enemy collaborators, exemplified by the likes of Senator McCain. His warmongering against a nuclear armed Russia is unhinged. His desire to hurt our own nation is so unrelenting and energetic one wonders if he is working under duress or threat of blackmail. I almost hope so. To think he actually believes these ideas is a terrifying possibility. It is not polite to speak ill of the terminally ill. Yet this cruel, murderous and thoroughly despicable character poses a threat not just to the existence of the American nation, but to the very lives of people all over the world. I wish the Senator no harm. I only offer a desperate prayer in self-defense that his retirement will be forthcoming and his media megaphone removed. The political life not just of our country, but of the world, must be rid of this Man of Blood, this sociopathic butcher—who, shuffling to his grave, seems determined to drag us all down with him.
It’s worth noting McCain gave his comments while accepting an award from…Joe Biden. Much like McCain’s “patriotism” consists of deconstructing the Historic American Nation itself, Biden poses as a champion of the “working class” because he rides Amtrak but supports “constant, unrelenting” immigration, outsourcing, anti-white racial preferences and endless, nihilistic wars. McCain and Biden, are, in all essentials, practically identical.
McCain draws a distinction between “nationalism” and “patriotism,” with the former being defined by the concrete realities of history and heritage and the latter formed by mysterious abstractions.
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#3. To: Deckard, buckeroo, Gatlin, BorisY, jeremiad, Abcdefg, rlk, Justified (#0)
libertysflame.com/cgi-bin...?ArtNum=47351&Disp=14#C14 http://investmentwatchblog.com/john-mccain-1969-tokyo-rose-vietnam-confession/
Like U.S. Rep Frederica Wilson who is “all hat and no cattle” you are “all bullshit and no brain” for failing to portray this prime example of how important context is in understanding the meaning behind this video and the reason for it was that it was torturously and forcibly extracted. By posting this video out of context you are attempting by insinuation to show that when he was a POW, McCain was a “Hanoi Hilton songbird” who collaborated with the enemy. You however show no evidence to back up this claim which is strongly contradicted by accounts from interviews with other POWs. Robert Timberg interviewed many POWs who served with McCain, said there's no evidence that he ever collaborated with the North Vietnamese. "I've never known of any occasion in which Sen. McCain provided the North Vietnamese with anything of value," Timberg said. George "Bud" Day and Orson Swindle, fellow POWs, said that POWs sometimes were forced to talk when they were tortured, but they tried to tell lies to mislead their captors. "We were all tortured and we wrote confessions under the pressure of torture," said Swindle, who was a cellmate with McCain. "John McCain never collaborated with the enemy. He, like every one of us, submitted to severe torture. John McCain did nothing dishonorable. He was heroic." Day, a Medal of Honor winner, said about a flyer to portray McCain as a traitor, this is "the most outrageous f------ lie I've ever heard." When he was interrogated, McCain gave his ship's name and squadron number and confirmed the target of his failed mission. He also gave the names of the Green Bay Packers' offensive line and said they were members of his squadron. Asked to identify future targets, he mentioned North Vietnamese cities that U.S. planes had already bombed. At one point after severe torture McCain broke down and signed a confession. But Timberg said McCain deliberately used misspellings, grammatical errors and Communist jargon to show he was writing under duress: "I am a black criminal and I have performed the deeds of an air pirate. I almost died, and the Vietnamese people saved my life . . . " John McCain is a long-time acquaintance of Doctor Phillip Butler at the U.S. Naval Academy and as Prisoners of War in Vietnam. Phillip Butler is a 1961 graduate of the United States Naval Academy and a former light-attack carrier pilot. In 1965 he was shot down over North Vietnam where he spent eight years as a prisoner of war. He is a highly decorated combat veteran who was awarded two Silver Stars, two Legion of Merits, two Bronze Stars and two Purple Heart medals. After his repatriation in 1973 he earned a Ph.D. in sociology from the University of California at San Diego. Butler has said he is disappointed to see John McCain represent himself politically in ways that are not accurate. He said there are instances where he doesn’t see that John is the "straight talk express" on politics he markets himself to be. While Butler said that McCain is a remarkable man who has made enormous personal achievements and he is a man that I am proud to call a fellow POW who "Returned With Honor" Butler did not support or vote for McCain is the election for McCain to be President of the United States. Butler had this to say about McCain's treatment as a POW: 2) John was badly injured when he was shot down. Both arms were broken and he had other wounds from his ejection. Unfortunately this was often the case -- new POW's arriving with broken bones and serious combat injuries. Many died from their wounds. Medical care was non-existent to rudimentary. Relief from pain was almost never given and often the wounds were used as an available way to torture the POW. Because John's father was the Naval Commander in the Pacific theater, he was exploited with TV interviews while wounded. These film clips have now been widely seen. But it must be known that many POW's suffered similarly, not just John. And many were similarly exploited for political propaganda. 3) John was offered, and refused, "early release." Many of us were given this offer. It meant speaking out against your country and lying about your treatment to the press. You had to "admit" that the U.S. was criminal and that our treatment was "lenient and humane." So I, like numerous others, refused the offer. This was obviously something none of us could accept. Besides, we were bound by our service regulations, Geneva Conventions and loyalties to refuse early release until all the POW's were released, with the sick and wounded going first. 4) John was awarded a Silver Star and Purple Heart for heroism and wounds in combat. This heroism has been played up in the press and in his various political campaigns. But it should be known that there were approximately 600 military POW's in Vietnam. Among all of us, decorations awarded have recently been totaled to the following: Medals of Honor -- 8, Service Crosses -- 42, Silver Stars -- 590, Bronze Stars - - 958 and Purple Hearts -- 1,249. John certainly performed courageously and well. But it must be remembered that he was one hero among many -- not uniquely so as his campaigns would have people believe. John McCain served his time as a POW with great courage, loyalty and tenacity. More than 600 of us did the same.
Good morning Gatlin. Nice to see you. I despise McCain. But you are correct it seems. Hondo just makes stuff up. I think he has tourette syndrome and he just spouts random stuff. Mostly made up bullshit.
You and I are in complete agreement about both McCain and hondo. I supported McCain when I saw him as a right-wing conservative doing the job he was elected to do during his political career here in Arizona. Unfortunately I have been able to observe very closely as he morphed into a political mutant whose philosophy I can’t even understand and much less even tolerate to any degree. Therefore I too have grown to despise McCain for what he has become. It was because of this that I voted for J.D. Hayworth against McCain in the 2010 primary election. Furthermore, in the 2010 US Senate election in Arizona on November 2, 2010, I did something I never thought I would possibly do….I voted for McCain’s Democrat opponent because I thought he was the better man to serve Arizona. I did however have to hold my nose and vote for the least of the worst in 2016 because the two running against McCain in the primary and general elections were abject losers….totally deplorable. Not voting and then seeing either of those two losers win was never a choice for me. No one needs to try and convince me that John McCain is worthless baggage for Trump supporters and the MAGA cause in the Senate. I agree with anyone on that. However, it is not McCain’s performance, or lack thereof, in the Senate that Hondo is discussing here. He is attempting to show that McCain’s actions as a POW was traitorous. That is something he simply cannot do! In his misguided effort, Hondo is trying to take individual allegations and assumptions which collectively do not prove McCain was involved in any collaborations with the enemy. In doing so he has failed to fulfill the burden of proof effectively to capture the benefit of the allegations and assumptions. The obligation to show factual truth lies with the claim maker, as the Latin maxim attests. Semper necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit, the translation of which is: The necessity of proof always lies with the person who lays allegations and charges. Hondo is an abject failure in his effort to fulfill the burden of proof to effectively capture the benefit of his false assumptions and personal opinions about what John McCain did or didn’t do while he was a POW at the Hanoi Hilton. There were other POWs who were filmed for propaganda purposes during captivity in Vietnam. Like the John McCain film, Admiral Jeremiah Denton Jr. was also filmed making a film for propaganda purposes and that video was also broadcast around the world. You can look at a small portion of the video by clicking below to see Denton using his eyes to blink the word “TOTRURE” using Morse Code during his captivity in Vietnam. Naval Intelligence was able to decipher his "strange" blinking. Admiral Denton was awarded the Navy Cross, our Nation's 2nd highest military honor for his heroism as a P.O.W. The actions and inactions of all military personnel while they were POWs in Vietnam were carefully reviewed after their release and return home. Each POW was asked about what he did or didn’t do and what each of the other POWs to which they had knowledge did or didn’t do. From the detailed interrogations of the POWs and a complete analysis of all information at hand, eight Vietnam POWs were charged with collaborating with the enemy while imprisoned. They had made antiwar broadcasts, cooperated with their captors and had written letters condemning the conflict. Fellow prisoners called them traitors and communists, and named them the “Peace Committee.” Formal military charges against the eight were filed after their release. All eight had been accused by U.S. Air Force Col. Theodore W. Guy, who was the senior officer in their POW camp at a place called “Plantation Gardens.” Guy filed the charges May 29, 1973, claiming the men had aided the enemy, conspired to undermine discipline and disobeyed orders. John McCain was not one of the eight POWs accused or charged for collaborating with the enemy and conspiring to undermine discipline or disobeying orders. John McCain can rightfully be accused of doing many wrong political things, but accusing John McCain of being a traitor during his time as a POW is a charge that can never be intelligently and accurately made. Hondo’s commenting on McCain’s actions as a POW is just as reprehensible as Representative Frederica S. Wilson’s commenting on the phone call the Commander-in-Chief made to a grieving military widow. Hondo has no standing in the matter. If Hondo had flown combat missions over Nam and had personal friends who were POWs in the Hanoi Hilton, as those of us who have….then and only then could he be qualified to directly comment on the individual actions of any POW held in captivity in Vietnam. Since he does not….he just needs to shut the fuck up!
You may find this interesting.
I did find that information most interesting….thanks. I have read everything I can find on the POWs over the years, but I missed that link. There are so many things I could comment on from reading the article but I don’t have time. I find nothing in his statement to contradict anything I have read in the past. Sergeant Major Jon Cavaiani has my respect and great admiration….may he eternally rest in peace. I did find one thing most interesting in reading the report. I remember that you posted no enlisted personnel were in the Hanoi Hilton….I believer that was what you said. Well, contrary to this…the Sergeant Major stated that he was in the Hanoi Hilton at the time the Paris agreement was signed and in contact with Ted Guy there at that time. Minor point, but I am a nitpicker for details. I have long known that eight Vietnam POWs were charged with collaborating with the enemy. I think all were members of the “Peace Committee” although I am going from memory and could be wrong about this. I also remember reading that Robert Garwood, a Marine Corps Pfc, was the only POW brought to trial and he was found guilty of collaborating with the enemy and assaulting a fellow soldier while a POW in Vietnam. Is that correct as you know it? You may find this information interesting if youhave not already viewed it: Traitors or patriots? Eight Vietnam POWs were charged with collaborating with the enemy. Edit: I went back and checked. You said: “Only ONE enlisted POW was held in Hanoi,a sailor that fell off the deck of a carrier and rescued by a NVN fishing boat.” Now we know there were at least two …
IIRC,he was a Sgt E-5 or SSG E-6 when captured after the NVA took Hickory Hill. A good friend of my was involved in that battle. Lost a leg due to traumatic amputation from an AK round. He and the other enlisted were moved to Hanoi when the Peace Talks were wrapping up,in anticipation of releasing them. They were the lucky ones. Most enlisted that were captured spent all their captivity in the jungles of either Laos,Cambodia,or SVN. Very few of them were ever heard of again. It was easier to just pop a AK round in their heads and walk away once the war ended. No inconvenient questions to be answered that way. I also remember reading that Robert Garwood, a Marine Corps Pfc, was the only POW brought to trial and he was found guilty of collaborating with the enemy and assaulting a fellow soldier while a POW in Vietnam. Is that correct as you know it? Those were the charges,but they were either dropped or he was acquitted because he got a discharge at Camp Lejune and walked away a free man. Haven't heard anything about him since them,but I suspect he is still alive or his death would have been commented on by the media. Edit: I went back and checked. You said: “Only ONE enlisted POW was held in Hanoi,a sailor that fell off the deck of a carrier and rescued by a NVN fishing boat.” He WAS the only enlisted man kept a POW at the Hanoi Hilton. The VN Communists,being the status-conscious comrades that they were,decied to keep the enlisted sailor there as a servant to the officers. He could run errands for them,and since they thought he was stupid (he was,after all an enlisted man),the ironic part is he pretty much had the run of the place compared to the lock down situations of the officers. They used him to carry verbal messages,and he kept a list in his head of the names,ranks,and serial numbers of every officer held there in case the NVA tried to hold some back. He was actually a pretty sharp cookie. Can't remember his name or if he remained in the Navy after being returned,but if he did you can be sure he always had plum assignments and early promotions the rest of his career.
Thanks for the info. I gathered from a previous post that he was either captured in Laos or Cambodia. My friend was in an F-4 and shot down over Laos dropping sensors. As I stated in a previous post. I was able to be his sponsor at Air Command and Staff College when I was finishing up and heading again back to SEA to the AC-130 unit at Ubon. Norm was flying out of Ubon when he was shot down. I never talked to him about his time in captivity….I never asked about it and he never brought it up. I do know that he was not the same person I had known before and I could easily understand why. He was conscious of everything and talked normally, but like he was still in some sort of a “where am I daze.” I still think about my friends and I always will. Info: Norbert Gotner Info: Robert Panek
No. He was at CNN,and almost all of their missions were in Laos,but some were in NVN. I know of one pilot CNN rescued after he was shot down after bombing Hanoi. He was captured after the NVA overran the CNN radio relay site near DaNang that was called "Hickory Hill". Recon teams took turns providing security for the radio site,and it just happened they were there. The only time I was at DaNang was when I went there to catch a R&R flight to Australia,so I could be wrong about Hickory Hill's exact location. "Near" means different things to different people,and this goes double for locations of top secret radio sites. I was at CCC,and our radio relay site was on a mountaintop in Laos,with the call sign of "Leghorn". I pulled radio watch up there several times. If you flew bombing missions in that area you probably heard our call sign,but had no idea where we were or who we were. He actually escaped from the top of the hill as it was being overan,but was wounded and had lost his weapon. He was captured the next morning by a VN peasant that saw him and ran screaming to the local NVA. I have no idea why they thought he was important enough to take to North VN,but he got seriously lucky when they decided to take him there. Otherwise chances are he would have been listed as MIA and probably never seen again. heading again back to SEA to the AC-130 unit at Ubon Yeah,if you were flying Spooky gunships out of Thailand,you have heard the Leghorn call sign. If you were flying in 69,chances are we talked on the radio a time or two when I was running recon or Hatchet Force missions.
I pick at you sometimes while we banter back and forth, as you likewise do with me. I never had it rough at any time during the conflict. Some of my friends of course did. But I am here today to tell you and the world that I have the greatest respect for you grunts (to include all ground pounders) who served in Nam. I will salute each of you and buy beers anytime. No, this doesn’t mean we need to hug….it is just something I feel like saying at this time. With that, I will sign off for the evening …
That's mighty white of you....considering on the ground you and your uppity AF pals would never have anything to do with Pete and his fellow grunts at the time.
Not true. The USAF was never anything less than great with SF troops AFAIK. They even had at least one C-130 Flight Group in VN dedicated solely to flying us around and resupplying our camps. Then there were the USAF guys flying helicopters out of Thailand in support of CCS SOG missions,the 20th something,and ALL the guys that flew bombers and gun ships. ESPECIALLY the guys flying the old C-47's and the C-130's. It is no exaggeration at all to say that I wouldn't be here typing these words tonight if it weren't for them coming down low and circling around us on the ground,and "laying down the damn-damn". Once so close on my my yards got wounded by one of their 7.62mm rounds. LOTS of those guys,as well as Army helicopter pilots and crews were invited to parties at our camps as the guests of honor. The only military people I ever had trouble with were conventional Army people,especially MP's,and Jarheads. The Air Force were great,and they also had the best mess halls and the friendliest head cooks.
#83. To: sneakypete, redleghunter, all (#78)
...LOTS of those guys,as well as Army helicopter pilots and crews were invited to parties at our camps as the guests of honor. Glad to hear they treated you with utmost respect. AS THEY WELL SHOULD. You guys were probably legends to them. Symbiotic thing had to be going on, especially with chopper pilots and C-130 taxis and re-suppliers -- I get that. Good camaraderie and morale on both your part back them. Wonder what it's been like between the different branches for the past 10 years. ANYBODY? The only military people I ever had trouble with were conventional Army people,especially MP's,and Jarheads. The Air Force were great,and they also had the best mess halls and the friendliest head cooks. MPs and Jarheads? That's a shock. NOT. In later years they all become mods at FR.
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Gatlin>> There was no good reason to post this trash on LF. John McCain did absolutely nothing as a POW that was dishonorable.
#6. To: hondo68 (#3)
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THIS RECORDING HAS BEEN SEALED BY
THE US GOVERNMENT SINCE IT’S BROADCAST
IT WAS ONLY RELEASED THIS WEEK
WHEN SOMEONE FOUND IT MISLABLED
IN THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES. 1) Was he tortured for 5 years? No. He was subjected to torture and maltreatment during his first 2 years, from September of 1967 to September of 1969. After September of 1969 the Vietnamese stopped the torture and gave us increased food and rudimentary health care. Several hundred of us were captured much earlier. I got there April 20, 1965 so my bad treatment period lasted 4 1/2 years. President Ho Chi Minh died on September 9, 1969, and the new regime that replaced him and his policies was more pragmatic. They realized we were worth a lot as bargaining chips if we were alive. And they were right because eventually Americans gave up on the war and agreed to trade our POW's for their country. A damn good trade in my opinion! But my point here is that John allows the media to make him out to be THE hero POW, which he knows is absolutely not true, to further his political goals.
There are other favorable testimonials about McCain’s conduct as a POW which bear the same witness to support his bearing, character and actions….I have chosen to present only a few of those. There is no evidence that John McCain did anything that was dishonorable while he was a POW.
Attack John McCain for his political views and actions all you wish to. You will be correct and justified to do so. But unless you can show verifiable evidence McCain did something wrong as a POW that other POWs did not also do the likes of while under the duress of extreme torture and was not considered wrong….then let time McCain served as a POW be sacred and remain as such. The Canary Clan is charged with the responsibility to search impartially for the facts or actualities of a subject or situation. It is eminently qualified to perform this charge by devoting considerable time, deep reflection, careful deliberation, and serious consultation to approach decisions without any particular ideology or agenda. The Canary Clan has a commitment to respect precedent, fairness and a determination to faithfully present the facts.
Long live freedom of speech, long live the Canary Clan and God Bless America!
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#12. To: A K A Stone (#7)
Good morning Gatlin. Nice to see you.
Hello back to you. It was nice to read your post and to learn your thoughts on this matter.
I despise McCain. But you are correct it seems.
Hondo just makes stuff up. I think he has tourette syndrome and he just spouts random stuff. Mostly made up bullshit.
#55. To: Gatlin, ALL (#12)
http://macvsog.cc/jon_cavaiani%27s_pow_&_peace_committee_experience.htm
#62. To: sneakypete (#55)
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#70. To: Gatlin (#62)
I did find one thing most interesting in reading the report. I remember that you posted no enlisted personnel were in the Hanoi Hilton….I believer that was what you said. Well, contrary to this…the Sergeant Major stated that he was in the Hanoi Hilton at the time the Paris agreement was signed and in contact with Ted Guy there at that time. Minor point, but I am a nitpicker for details.
#72. To: sneakypete (#70)
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#74. To: Gatlin (#72)
I gathered from a previous post that he was either captured in Laos or Cambodia.
#75. To: sneakypete (#74)
#77. To: Gatlin, sneakypete (#75)
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I will salute each of you and buy beers anytime. No, this doesn’t mean we need to hug….
#78. To: Liberator (#77)
.considering on the ground you and your uppity AF pals would never have anything to do with Pete and his fellow grunts at the time.
Replies to Comment # 78. Not true. The USAF was never anything less than great with SF troops AFAIK. They even had at least one C-130 Flight Group in VN dedicated solely to flying us around and resupplying our camps....
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