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Title: Profile In Treason: The Inconceivable Evil Of John McCain—“Man Of Blood”
Source: The Unz Review
URL Source: http://www.unz.com/article/profile- ... l-of-john-mccain-man-of-blood/
Published: Oct 17, 2017
Author: James Kirkpatrick
Post Date: 2017-10-20 14:59:06 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 608
Comments: 87

There is no hatred more complete and no malevolence more fanatical than that held by the American political class for the American people. The commissar’s rage against the kulaks, the jihadist’s fury against the infidel, the inquisitor’s wrath against the unbeliever, all of this pales in comparison to the genocidal bloodlust Senators and Congressmen have against their own constituents. And even as they gleefully promote the outsourcing of jobs, the importation of cheap labor, and the ruthless extirpation of property, wealth and liberty, these shameless parasites demand their slaves die to export their filthy System all over the world.

The most contemptible and dangerous of these vermin is Senator John McCain. In a political career marked by near constant betrayal and hypocrisy, there are only two constants to his bloody career. The first is a passion for war, any war, for any reason, which can only be termed pathological. The second is the desire to replace the people of his own state and the voters of his own party.

Like a dying venomous snake, McCain is using his final moments to strike at President Trump and those who supported him.

In remarks gleefully repeated by the sociopathic controlled media, McCain simpered:

To fear the world we have organized and led for three-quarters of a century, to abandon the ideals we have advanced around the globe, to refuse the obligations of international leadership and our duty to remain ‘the last best hope of earth’ for the sake of some half-baked, spurious nationalism cooked up by people who would rather find scapegoats than solve problems is as unpatriotic as an attachment to any other tired dogma of the past that Americans consigned to the ash heap of history.

[Read John McCain’s Liberty Medal ceremony speech, Boston Globe, October 17, 2017]

It’s worth noting McCain gave his comments while accepting an award from…Joe Biden. Much like McCain’s “patriotism” consists of deconstructing the Historic American Nation itself, Biden poses as a champion of the “working class” because he rides Amtrak but supports “constant, unrelenting” immigration, outsourcing, anti-white racial preferences and endless, nihilistic wars. McCain and Biden, are, in all essentials, practically identical.

One aches to ask Senator McCain directly what “problem” he thinks will be more effectively “solved” by importing the Third World. National security? Health care? Collapsing wages? Rising inequality? Crumbling infrastructure?

McCain’s mumblings are practically self-discrediting. But as American journalists exist to serve power and suppress dissent it’s unlikely the Senator has been or will ever be asked to defend such ludicrous claims.

McCain draws a distinction between “nationalism” and “patriotism,” with the former being defined by the concrete realities of history and heritage and the latter formed by mysterious abstractions.

“We live in a land made of ideals, not blood and soil,” he explained. “We are the custodians of those ideals at home, and their champion abroad.”

These ideals, as is customary when they are invoked, are not defined. Yet given McCain’s tributes to the “immigrant’s dream,” the land which “reinvents itself,” and the current “international order,” his remarks are being hyped as a rebuke of “Trumpism” and celebrated by Leftist journalists who suddenly claim the right to define what is “conservatism” or “Republicanism” [John McCain just delivered a total and complete takedown of Trumpism, by Chris Cillizza, CNN, October 17, 2017]

McCain’s ideals would be unrecognizable, not only to the Founding Fathers, but to practically any other American generation in history. Would the Father of Our Country have countenanced endless interventionism? Would either Jefferson or Hamilton have recognized a moral imperative for self-annihilation? Would any Federalist or anti-Federalist celebrate the replacement of the very people who had just won independence from the British Empire?

McCain’s denunciation of “nationalism” is also selective. McCain is quite eager to defend the borders of other nations. “We are all Ukrainians,” he declared on one occasion [Senator John McCain: “We Are All Ukrainians, by Jay Newton-Small, Time, February 28, 2014]. “We are all Georgians” he pronounced on another.

It is only when it comes to America that McCain’s “patriotism” becomes abstract and imaginary. Indeed, it seems every people on earth has a right to “blood and soil” which must be safeguarded by American arms, except Americans themselves.

Even as this is written, Kurds and Iraqis are on the brink of war [The Kurdish War with Iraq, by Thomas Ricks, Foreign Policy, October 17, 2017]. If it erupts, once again, the tribal hatreds and border conflicts of peoples who should be of interest to us only in anthropology textbooks will be cause for the death of American soldiers.

The sacrifice of our military is framed as “leadership.” “That leadership has had its costs, but we have become incomparably powerful and wealthy as we did,” McCain gloats. And he is right, in speaking of his peers; he and his fellow parasites are indeed incomparably powerful and wealthy.

But such power and wealth does not trickle down to those he ostensibly represents. The wages of working Americans have stagnated for decades, and even skilled workers can barely earn a wage sufficient to support a family.

And “power?” The tyranny of George III that our forefathers rose against would be a glorious boon for ordinary Americans of today, as their lives, families, communities, and property are forfeit to the whims of unelected bureaucrats, publicly funded “activists,” or sadistic reporters eager to rouse a mob. McCain’s tribute to America’s “power” and “wealth” is reminiscent of an Ottoman sultan boasting about shared victories to the janissaries he’s kidnapped from Eastern Europe.

The democratic system McCain pledges Americans to defend is a form of government in which elected officials blatantly lie to their constituents and then taunt them at the very moment of betrayal. Consider McCain himself. He campaigned on repealing Obamacare, and then gleefully voted to save it [Mr. McCain Goes To Washington, by John Fund, National Review, July 30, 2017] He promised to “complete the danged fence” but instead has done his best to make sure Arizona ceases to be an American state in any meaningful sense.

One may disagree with monarchy or some other form of unelected leadership, but it seems vastly preferably to a system where political power is awarded to the most outrageous liar. Such a system should not be tolerated, let alone fought for.

Besides, the liberal international order McCain defends is nothing of the kind. The Western world is not free. [The Liberalism That Isn’t, by Costin Alamariu, Daily Caller, September 7, 2017] East Germany in the 1980s was in some ways more free than contemporary Germany is today: it would not have occurred to Erich Honecker to expose his subjects to mass sexual assault at the hands of Muslim invaders and then arrest anyone who protests. [Married couple sentenced for migrant critical Facebook post, by Chris Tomlinson, Breitbart, July 8, 2016]

The Occupation Government in Washington has presided over the Death of the West. The world order McCain defends is, quite explicitly, built on the dispossession of the European-Americans who actually created the American polity. If our civilization or country is to survive in any meaningful sense, that order must be destroyed.

And that means replacing the political class, the enemy collaborators, exemplified by the likes of Senator McCain. His warmongering against a nuclear armed Russia is unhinged. His desire to hurt our own nation is so unrelenting and energetic one wonders if he is working under duress or threat of blackmail. I almost hope so. To think he actually believes these ideas is a terrifying possibility.

It is not polite to speak ill of the terminally ill. Yet this cruel, murderous and thoroughly despicable character poses a threat not just to the existence of the American nation, but to the very lives of people all over the world.

I wish the Senator no harm. I only offer a desperate prayer in self-defense that his retirement will be forthcoming and his media megaphone removed.

The political life not just of our country, but of the world, must be rid of this Man of Blood, this sociopathic butcher—who, shuffling to his grave, seems determined to drag us all down with him.(2 images)

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#1. To: Deckard (#0)

The Stain is truly a mega douche bag! And he is not the only one in DC claiming to be a Republican. I wish N Vietnam would have kept him. I sincerely wish he would go ahead & retire!!!

I also wonder why he takes the positions he does. But I think it is simply that he is following orders from the NWO / Globalist / CFR crowd. How they manage it, I am not sure, but would imagine they are blackmailing him. With what, I do not know.

I will add that all those that voted to keep him in office are a bunch of douche bags as well !!!

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt

"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)

Stoner  posted on  2017-10-20   17:12:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Deckard (#0)

I never cared much for McCain... But if he's aggravating these neo-nazi pinheads, then he must be doing something right.

Willie Green  posted on  2017-10-20   19:18:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Deckard, buckeroo, Gatlin, BorisY, jeremiad, Abcdefg, rlk, Justified (#0)


Gatlin>> There was no good reason to post this trash on LF. John McCain did absolutely nothing as a POW that was dishonorable.

libertysflame.com/cgi-bin...?ArtNum=47351&Disp=14#C14

http://investmentwatchblog.com/john-mccain-1969-tokyo-rose-vietnam-confession/

hondo68  posted on  2017-10-20   19:23:55 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Stoner (#1)

The punishment for being a RINO, is being a McTumor.

I hope his final months are painful and he dies shitting himself.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2017-10-20   19:55:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: hondo68, GrandIsland (#3)

Without "yukon" on LF, I gotta say, we lost a contributor to belly-gut lafter. Kinda like GrandIsland.

buckeroo  posted on  2017-10-21   0:39:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: hondo68 (#3) (Edited)

THIS RECORDING HAS BEEN SEALED BY
THE US GOVERNMENT SINCE IT’S BROADCAST
IT WAS ONLY RELEASED THIS WEEK
WHEN SOMEONE FOUND IT MISLABLED
IN THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES.

Like U.S. Rep Frederica Wilson who is “all hat and no cattle” you are “all bullshit and no brain” for failing to portray this prime example of how important context is in understanding the meaning behind this video and the reason for it was that it was torturously and forcibly extracted.

By posting this video out of context you are attempting by insinuation to show that when he was a POW, McCain was a “Hanoi Hilton songbird” who collaborated with the enemy. You however show no evidence to back up this claim which is strongly contradicted by accounts from interviews with other POWs. Robert Timberg interviewed many POWs who served with McCain, said there's no evidence that he ever collaborated with the North Vietnamese. "I've never known of any occasion in which Sen. McCain provided the North Vietnamese with anything of value," Timberg said.

George "Bud" Day and Orson Swindle, fellow POWs, said that POWs sometimes were forced to talk when they were tortured, but they tried to tell lies to mislead their captors. "We were all tortured and we wrote confessions under the pressure of torture," said Swindle, who was a cellmate with McCain. "John McCain never collaborated with the enemy. He, like every one of us, submitted to severe torture. John McCain did nothing dishonorable. He was heroic." Day, a Medal of Honor winner, said about a flyer to portray McCain as a traitor, this is "the most outrageous f------ lie I've ever heard."

When he was interrogated, McCain gave his ship's name and squadron number and confirmed the target of his failed mission. He also gave the names of the Green Bay Packers' offensive line and said they were members of his squadron. Asked to identify future targets, he mentioned North Vietnamese cities that U.S. planes had already bombed. At one point after severe torture McCain broke down and signed a confession. But Timberg said McCain deliberately used misspellings, grammatical errors and Communist jargon to show he was writing under duress: "I am a black criminal and I have performed the deeds of an air pirate. I almost died, and the Vietnamese people saved my life . . . "

John McCain is a long-time acquaintance of Doctor Phillip Butler at the U.S. Naval Academy and as Prisoners of War in Vietnam. Phillip Butler is a 1961 graduate of the United States Naval Academy and a former light-attack carrier pilot. In 1965 he was shot down over North Vietnam where he spent eight years as a prisoner of war. He is a highly decorated combat veteran who was awarded two Silver Stars, two Legion of Merits, two Bronze Stars and two Purple Heart medals. After his repatriation in 1973 he earned a Ph.D. in sociology from the University of California at San Diego.

Butler has said he is disappointed to see John McCain represent himself politically in ways that are not accurate. He said there are instances where he doesn’t see that John is the "straight talk express" on politics he markets himself to be. While Butler said that McCain is a remarkable man who has made enormous personal achievements and he is a man that I am proud to call a fellow POW who "Returned With Honor" Butler did not support or vote for McCain is the election for McCain to be President of the United States.

Butler had this to say about McCain's treatment as a POW:

1) Was he tortured for 5 years? No. He was subjected to torture and maltreatment during his first 2 years, from September of 1967 to September of 1969. After September of 1969 the Vietnamese stopped the torture and gave us increased food and rudimentary health care. Several hundred of us were captured much earlier. I got there April 20, 1965 so my bad treatment period lasted 4 1/2 years. President Ho Chi Minh died on September 9, 1969, and the new regime that replaced him and his policies was more pragmatic. They realized we were worth a lot as bargaining chips if we were alive. And they were right because eventually Americans gave up on the war and agreed to trade our POW's for their country. A damn good trade in my opinion! But my point here is that John allows the media to make him out to be THE hero POW, which he knows is absolutely not true, to further his political goals.

2) John was badly injured when he was shot down. Both arms were broken and he had other wounds from his ejection. Unfortunately this was often the case -- new POW's arriving with broken bones and serious combat injuries. Many died from their wounds. Medical care was non-existent to rudimentary. Relief from pain was almost never given and often the wounds were used as an available way to torture the POW. Because John's father was the Naval Commander in the Pacific theater, he was exploited with TV interviews while wounded. These film clips have now been widely seen. But it must be known that many POW's suffered similarly, not just John. And many were similarly exploited for political propaganda.

3) John was offered, and refused, "early release." Many of us were given this offer. It meant speaking out against your country and lying about your treatment to the press. You had to "admit" that the U.S. was criminal and that our treatment was "lenient and humane." So I, like numerous others, refused the offer. This was obviously something none of us could accept. Besides, we were bound by our service regulations, Geneva Conventions and loyalties to refuse early release until all the POW's were released, with the sick and wounded going first.

4) John was awarded a Silver Star and Purple Heart for heroism and wounds in combat. This heroism has been played up in the press and in his various political campaigns. But it should be known that there were approximately 600 military POW's in Vietnam. Among all of us, decorations awarded have recently been totaled to the following: Medals of Honor -- 8, Service Crosses -- 42, Silver Stars -- 590, Bronze Stars - - 958 and Purple Hearts -- 1,249. John certainly performed courageously and well. But it must be remembered that he was one hero among many -- not uniquely so as his campaigns would have people believe.

John McCain served his time as a POW with great courage, loyalty and tenacity. More than 600 of us did the same.

There are other favorable testimonials about McCain’s conduct as a POW which bear the same witness to support his bearing, character and actions….I have chosen to present only a few of those.
There is no evidence that John McCain did anything that was dishonorable while he was a POW.
Attack John McCain for his political views and actions all you wish to. You will be correct and justified to do so. But unless you can show verifiable evidence McCain did something wrong as a POW that other POWs did not also do the likes of while under the duress of extreme torture and was not considered wrong….then let time McCain served as a POW be sacred and remain as such.

The Canary Clan is charged with the responsibility to search impartially for the facts or actualities of a subject or situation. It is eminently qualified to perform this charge by devoting considerable time, deep reflection, careful deliberation, and serious consultation to approach decisions without any particular ideology or agenda. The Canary Clan has a commitment to respect precedent, fairness and a determination to faithfully present the facts.
You gotta walk that lonesome valley.
Long live freedom of speech, long live the Canary Clan and God Bless America!

Gatlin  posted on  2017-10-21   6:23:17 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Gatlin (#6)

Good morning Gatlin. Nice to see you.

I despise McCain. But you are correct it seems.

Hondo just makes stuff up. I think he has tourette syndrome and he just spouts random stuff. Mostly made up bullshit.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-10-21   8:07:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: hondo68 (#3)

You must have really struck close to home if you got Tater to crawl out of his hole to defend the traitor McStain.

Well done!

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-10-21   10:35:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Deckard, Tater McCanary, Gatlin, A K A Stone, McCain treasonous POS, no lie (#8)

McCain with his Islamists in Libya one year before Benghazi, priming the pump for Hillary "What does it matter"?

hondo68  posted on  2017-10-21   12:56:37 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Gatlin (#6)

Dr. Butler, --- "John allows the media to make him out to be THE hero POW, which he knows is absolutely not true, to further his political goals."

Gatlin,--- There is no evidence that John McCain did anything that was dishonorable while he was a POW.

There is plenty of evidence that John McCain did a lot that was dishonorable while he was a Senator.

tpaine  posted on  2017-10-21   14:18:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: hondo68 (#9)

Tater McCanary

HA!!

Liberator  posted on  2017-10-21   14:49:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: A K A Stone (#7)

Good morning Gatlin. Nice to see you.
I despise McCain. But you are correct it seems.
Hondo just makes stuff up. I think he has tourette syndrome and he just spouts random stuff. Mostly made up bullshit.
Hello back to you. It was nice to read your post and to learn your thoughts on this matter.

You and I are in complete agreement about both McCain and hondo.

I supported McCain when I saw him as a right-wing conservative doing the job he was elected to do during his political career here in Arizona. Unfortunately I have been able to observe very closely as he morphed into a political mutant whose philosophy I can’t even understand and much less even tolerate to any degree.

Therefore I too have grown to despise McCain for what he has become.

It was because of this that I voted for J.D. Hayworth against McCain in the 2010 primary election. Furthermore, in the 2010 US Senate election in Arizona on November 2, 2010, I did something I never thought I would possibly do….I voted for McCain’s Democrat opponent because I thought he was the better man to serve Arizona. I did however have to hold my nose and vote for the least of the worst in 2016 because the two running against McCain in the primary and general elections were abject losers….totally deplorable. Not voting and then seeing either of those two losers win was never a choice for me.

No one needs to try and convince me that John McCain is worthless baggage for Trump supporters and the MAGA cause in the Senate. I agree with anyone on that. However, it is not McCain’s performance, or lack thereof, in the Senate that Hondo is discussing here. He is attempting to show that McCain’s actions as a POW was traitorous. That is something he simply cannot do!

In his misguided effort, Hondo is trying to take individual allegations and assumptions which collectively do not prove McCain was involved in any collaborations with the enemy. In doing so he has failed to fulfill the burden of proof effectively to capture the benefit of the allegations and assumptions.

The obligation to show factual truth lies with the claim maker, as the Latin maxim attests. Semper necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit, the translation of which is: The necessity of proof always lies with the person who lays allegations and charges. Hondo is an abject failure in his effort to fulfill the burden of proof to effectively capture the benefit of his false assumptions and personal opinions about what John McCain did or didn’t do while he was a POW at the Hanoi Hilton.

There were other POWs who were filmed for propaganda purposes during captivity in Vietnam. Like the John McCain film, Admiral Jeremiah Denton Jr. was also filmed making a film for propaganda purposes and that video was also broadcast around the world. You can look at a small portion of the video by clicking below to see Denton using his eyes to blink the word “TOTRURE” using Morse Code during his captivity in Vietnam.

Naval Intelligence was able to decipher his "strange" blinking. Admiral Denton was awarded the Navy Cross, our Nation's 2nd highest military honor for his heroism as a P.O.W.

The actions and inactions of all military personnel while they were POWs in Vietnam were carefully reviewed after their release and return home. Each POW was asked about what he did or didn’t do and what each of the other POWs to which they had knowledge did or didn’t do.

From the detailed interrogations of the POWs and a complete analysis of all information at hand, eight Vietnam POWs were charged with collaborating with the enemy while imprisoned. They had made antiwar broadcasts, cooperated with their captors and had written letters condemning the conflict. Fellow prisoners called them traitors and communists, and named them the “Peace Committee.” Formal military charges against the eight were filed after their release.

All eight had been accused by U.S. Air Force Col. Theodore W. Guy, who was the senior officer in their POW camp at a place called “Plantation Gardens.” Guy filed the charges May 29, 1973, claiming the men had aided the enemy, conspired to undermine discipline and disobeyed orders.

John McCain was not one of the eight POWs accused or charged for collaborating with the enemy and conspiring to undermine discipline or disobeying orders.

John McCain can rightfully be accused of doing many wrong political things, but accusing John McCain of being a traitor during his time as a POW is a charge that can never be intelligently and accurately made.

Hondo’s commenting on McCain’s actions as a POW is just as reprehensible as Representative Frederica S. Wilson’s commenting on the phone call the Commander-in-Chief made to a grieving military widow. Hondo has no standing in the matter. If Hondo had flown combat missions over Nam and had personal friends who were POWs in the Hanoi Hilton, as those of us who have….then and only then could he be qualified to directly comment on the individual actions of any POW held in captivity in Vietnam. Since he does not….he just needs to shut the fuck up!

Gatlin  posted on  2017-10-21   16:27:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: tpaine (#10)

There is plenty of evidence that John McCain did a lot that was dishonorable while he was a Senator.

You are absolutely correct, Sir.

I commend you on your astute observation with your having and showing shrewdness in your innate ability to notice and understand something clearly….IN THIS CASE.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-10-21   16:36:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Gatlin (#13)

I commend you on your astute observation with your having and showing shrewdness in your innate ability to notice and understand something clearly….IN THIS CASE.

We agree then, ---- IN THIS CASE.

By the way, did you really fly missions over NVN? Or were you claiming to have POW friends imprisoned there? Or both?

Just wondering.

tpaine  posted on  2017-10-21   16:50:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: hondo68 (#9)

McCain with his Islamists in Libya one year before Benghazi, priming the pump for Hillary "What does it matter"?
This garbage is way off the topic you called to my attention for discussion here.

Your point to me was a futile effort to show a good reason that John McCain did something traitorous by collaborating with the enemy while he was a POW at the Hanoi Hilton. You have grossly failed in your attempt to do that. Consequently, changing your axis of attack shows extreme weakness in your ability to carry on an intelligent discussion. If you desire to communicate with me, you must stay on topic.

To stay on topic, you need to simply stop and imagine for a moment what it would be like for you to be able to think clearly….to concentrate and remember what you are discussing. Yes, these are some of the things you must learn to handle while you are trying to deal with your Cognitive Dysfunction.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-10-21   16:57:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Gatlin, Songbird, Wet Start Johnny (#15)

You have grossly failed in your attempt

Your attempt to equate Admiral Denton a true POW war hero, to Hanoi John McCain has failed miserably.

Denton is a hero and McCain is an evil POS traitor, see the difference?

hondo68  posted on  2017-10-21   18:21:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: tpaine (#14) (Edited)

By the way, did you really fly missions over NVN? Or were you claiming to have POW friends imprisoned there? Or both?

Just wondering.

It is extremely strange that you should be “just wondering” about this enough to ask your specific questions. Because of that, I am “just wondering” why I should even bother answering you since you have never believed anything I stated on the forum about my military career. Now, have you?

However, since I am so magnanimous and can be very generous or forgiving towards such a doubting Thomas skeptic who refuses to believe anything without his direct personal knowledge of an event….I will take time to graciously answer your questions.

As to your first question:

I participated in Operation Arc Light. [Click HERE for information on Operation Arc LIght] I did not participate in Operation Linebacker or Operation Linebacker II….I spent that year attending the Air Command and Staff College.
As to your second question:
I had one friend who was shot down in a B-52 over Hanoi who fortunately survived the shoot down only to have the misfortune of spending some time in the Hanoi Hilton. Before leaving Air Command and Staff College to spend a year tour in Thailand crewing on the AC-130 Spectre Gun Ship, I had the good fortune to serve as sponsor for another friend who was shot down in a F-4 and who as a returning POW was entering the Air Command and Staff College the year after me. I had served with both of these returning POWs in the B-58 Hustler at Grissom AFB.
You can chose to believe any of this you want to or continue to disbelieve anything I state about my military career. I really don’t GAS. I did have some pleasant memories reviewing the Operation Arc Light article and the videos while recalling the times I spent with my friends so many years ago and that was satisfying to me for the effort to answer your post.

Now, if you like, you can come join in my memories …

Click HERE to see more Operation Arc Light videos.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-10-21   18:24:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: hondo68 (#16)

Denton is a hero and McCain is an evil POS traitor, see the difference?

You posted a video in which McCain lied.

I posted a video in which Denton lied.

You say Denton is a hero and McCain is an evil POS traitor.

Then you ask if I see the difference.

Well….No!

Both were tortured and both produced a video with a lie.

So, I don’t see the difference.

You show me the difference.

Semper necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit….the necessity of proof always lies with the person who lays allegations and charges.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-10-21   18:43:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Gatlin, Ho Chi Minh shill, what difference does lying make (#18)

I don’t see the difference

Denton said that he received food and medical treatment and that he was a loyal US gov employee, which is true. McCain said that he was a war criminal killing Vietnamese people, and that the Ho Chi Minh government was nice, which are lies.

You wonder what difference lying for the enemy makes?

hondo68  posted on  2017-10-21   19:25:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: hondo68 (#19)

On July 18, 1965, Denton was shot down in North Vietnam. He was captured by the North Vietnamese that day and he remained a prisoner of war for seven years and seven months, enduring years of solitary confinement and brutal mistreatment. Four of those years were spent in solitary confinement where he would spend day and night in a windowless 3-by-9-foot cell mostly in irons.

On May 2, 1966, as part of a propaganda campaign, the North Vietnamese arranged for Denton to be interviewed for television by a Japanese reporter. His appearance before the TV camera was scripted by the guards for him to say that he received food and medical treatment. That was a scripted lie he was forced to tell.

It was during this time before the TV camera that he blinked his eyes in Morse code the word “T-O-R-T-U-R-E” to show that he was appearing under duress and was being tortured. When asked about his views on the actions of the U.S. Government he had not been scripted to answer that question and “he strongly affirmed his government’s position, in defiance of his captors’ instructions. He then prepared himself for the torture session that followed.

Both Denton and McCain were tortured before they appeared on camera and tortured afterwards. Denton had an opportunity to make a patriotic statement because he was asked a question which he had not been scripted to answer. John McCain did not have that same opportunity. If asked the same question during the interview that Denton was asked, there is no way of knowing what McCain would have said.

Both men were tortured before and after the interviews and both men were given a script of lies to follow. Denton was afforded an impromptu opportunity to go off script when John McCain was not.

You don’t know what would have happened had Denton’s scripted statement and answers been given to McCain and McCain’s scripted statement and answers had been given to Denton and neither does anyone else. But you think that you are one uber-smart individual who can listen to different forced interviews and decide that Denton is a hero and McCain is an evil POS traitor. GET FUCKING REAL.

Denton spent almost eight years as a prisoner of war, suffering severe mistreatment and becoming the first U.S. military captive to be subjected to four years of solitary confinement. His book offers the true shocking details about his about that ordeal and is called, "When Hell was in Session."

Furthermore …

It has been reported and testified to that the North Vietnamese torture was so sufficiently brutal and ever prolonged that virtually every American POW so subjected was forced to make a statement of some kind at some time.[15] As one POW wrote of finally being forced to make an anti-American statement: "I had learned what we all learned over there: Every man has his breaking point. I had reached mine."[13] Realizing this, the Americans' aim became to absorb as much torture as they could before giving in.[11] After making statements, the POWs would admit to each other what had happened, lest shame or guilt consume them or make them more vulnerable to additional North Vietnamese pressure.[11] Nevertheless, the POWs obsessed over what they had done, and would years after their release still be haunted by the "confessions" or other statements they had made.[17] As another POW later said, "To this day I get angry with myself. But we did the best we could. [We realize], over time, that we all fall short of what we aspire to be. And that is where forgiveness comes in. "[17]

- [11] Mahler, Jonathan (2005-12-25). "The Prisoner". The New York Times Magazine.
- [13] Lieut. Commander John S. McCain III, United States Navy (1973-05-14). "How the POW's Fought Back". U.S. News & World Report. Reposted under title "John McCain, Prisoner of War: A First-Person Account", 2008-01-28. Reprinted in Library of America staff (1998). Reporting Vietnam, Part Two: American Journalism 1969–1975. Library of America. pp. 434–463. ISBN 1-883011-59-0.
- [15] Hubbell, P.O.W., p. 548.
- [17] Farrell, John Aloysius (2000-01-23). "'A refining experience'". The Boston Globe.
So….Hot Shot….There were nearly 600 American POWs released. The North Vietnamese torture was so sufficiently brutal and ever prolonged that virtually every American POW so subjected was forced to make an anti-American statement of some kind at some time. Denton was forced to lie as was McCain also forced to lie….along with virtually every American POW.

Now, asshole….you are one ignorant SOB to think that you can unilaterally decide who among these nearly 600 American POWs that were forced to make an anti-American statement were lying traitors and who are heroes simply based on the aspects of their lives as you see them following their release.

You wonder what difference lying for the enemy makes?
Nah, I can only wonder what makes you so damned stupid.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-10-21   22:36:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: hondo68 (#16)

Denton is a hero and McCain is an evil POS traitor, see the difference?

Tater's lips are so firmly pressed to McStain's ass that he can't see anything.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-10-21   23:47:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Gatlin, McCain, Kerry, POW MIAs (#20)

nearly 600 American POWs that were forced to make an anti-American statement

McCain did, Denton didn't! Your attempt to smear POW/MIA's with your lies is despicable. You're scum, like McCain.

McCain lied in his anti-American broadcasts. He's still blocking release of information on POW/MIA's.

Denton told the truth in his pro-American broadcast, and he's not the only POW to do so.

hondo68  posted on  2017-10-22   0:39:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Deckard (#21)

Tater's lips are so firmly pressed to McStain's ass that he can't see anything.

It's probably because he's voted for him numerous times and has a need to justify/rationalize his actions so he can feel good about himself, for some silly reason.

Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!

CZ82  posted on  2017-10-22   8:35:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Gatlin (#17)

It is extremely strange that you should be “just wondering” about this enough to ask your specific questions. Because of that, I am “just wondering” why I should even bother answering you since you have never believed anything I stated on the forum about my military career. Now, have you?

It's not strange at all to wonder about the veracity of a man who seizes every opportunity to toot his own horn.

Thanks for once again doing so.

tpaine  posted on  2017-10-22   13:28:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: tpaine (#24) (Edited)

Thanks …
Oh, you are more than welcome. But you really need to find a better way to occupy your time rather than continually stalking my posts.

You also need to get over your obsessive jealousy of me….then find a way to overcome your inferiority complex and also accomplish great things in your life.

Because …

In the end, you're measured not by how much you undertake but by what you finally accomplish ~ Donald Trump
I will leave you with this …

Gatlin  posted on  2017-10-22   16:58:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: tpaine (#24)

You asked him and he answered.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-10-22   21:25:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: A K A Stone, tpaine, Gatlin (#26)

I don't mean to step on your toes, but why do consistently defend "Gatlin." He is one of the worst posters on this chit-chat channel.

buckeroo  posted on  2017-10-22   21:42:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: buckeroo (#27)

YOU calling another poster "the worst" is as laughable as that cowboy hat wearing Florida racist cunt gorilla considering herself a rockstar

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2017-10-22   21:59:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Gatlin, sneakypete (#25)

I thought of you last night watching Pluto.tv. MST3K was featuring the 1964 movie The Starfighters, a documentary movie about the Lockheed F-104b fighter. It starred Bob Dornan and it laster was a part of his bid to become a Congressman. I'm sure you recall "B-1 Bob".

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-22   22:00:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: GrandIsland, Gatlin, A K A Stone (#28)

YOU calling another poster "the worst" is as laughable as that cowboy hat wearing Florida racist cunt gorilla considering herself a rockstar

Lets be brutally honest, although it will be difficult for you to swallow: I did not perform that post that you claim I did. Immediately below is what I said:

I don't mean to step on your [A K A Stone] toes, but why do consistently defend "Gatlin." He is one of the worst posters on this chit-chat channel.

As I re-think my earlier post, I should have included you, GI. YOU are the worst poster on this chit-chat channel. In fact, you are the scum bag of the Universe for incorrectly identifying my posts and playing some bullshit.

You are a fuckin' lamer.

buckeroo  posted on  2017-10-22   22:23:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Tooconservative, yukon, meguro, Gatlin, Bob Dornan (#29)

Is that yukon, meguro and Gatlin in the foreground?

Gatlin hates B1 Bob Dornan because he slams McCain for his POW/MIA information cover ups, as a Senator from Arizona.

hondo68  posted on  2017-10-22   23:29:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Tooconservative (#29) (Edited)

I'm sure you recall "B-1 Bob".
Of course.

I enjoyed the video, thanks for sharing. It brought back two pleasant memories.

First, I was on the both the receiving end and the pumping end of the KC-135 refueling boom many times. I was on the receiving end during my ten years in the B-58. Then I was on pumping end of the KC-135 during my final year of service awaiting retirement. The refueling squadron I was assigned to was based in Altus AFB Oklahoma but performed refueling support flying out of Eielson AFB Alaska for the RC-135 reconnaissance aircraft. And yes Sarah….”I really could see Russia out the window.”

Secondly, I had to hit a quick stop of the video at 3:48 when I saw the same 100-4 model of the red 1955 Austin Healey I had purchased new in Paris and shipped back to the states when my tour of duty in Europe was over.

Again, thanks …

Gatlin  posted on  2017-10-22   23:39:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: GrandIsland (#28)

Gatlin  posted on  2017-10-22   23:57:47 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Tooconservative (#32)

A 1955 Austin Healey 100-4 …

Link: 1955 Le Mans disaster.

Link: Austin-Healey racing car at centre of 1955 Le Mans disaster that killed 84 is set to sell for £1m.

Link: Tom drives the infamous 1955 Le-Mans Austin Healey 100S .

Gatlin  posted on  2017-10-23   3:06:09 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: hondo68 (#31)

Your being unable to continue an intelligent discourse can be considered a major reason for the posting community’s wide acceptance of your failure to post anything beneficially informative and the reason you attempt to interject humor.

Humor in forum postings can be acknowledged widely as a area of linguistic importance. However, failed humor will definitely not received much linguistic attention. After reading your asinine failed humor remarks an educated person can easily understand why.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-10-23   3:56:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: buckeroo, A K A Stone (#27) (Edited)

I don't mean to step on your toes, but why do consistently defend "Gatlin."

Understanding truth and the need to illuminate the notion of truth is a simple role played in an intelligent person’s ordinary objective thought. This has long been established in our logical, philosophical and scientific theorization.

Acknowledging truth involves the concern for substantive background issues and the identification of the bearers of truth and good will. A person who has the innate ability to distinguish truth from other notions and call attention to that should not be challenged or chastised….they should be complimented.

You may now say: ”Thank you, Stone, for defending truth!”

Gatlin  posted on  2017-10-23   4:30:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: buckeroo, A K A Stone, GrandIsland (#30) (Edited)

Lets be brutally honest, although it will be difficult for you to swallow: I did not perform that post that you claim I did.

Before being brutally honest, you first need to be brutally clear by stating exactly what GI claimed you performed you say that you did not?

You definitely need to illuminate and resolve the puzzle you created.

***SNICKER:*** And you have the intrepidity to suggest that I am one of the worst posters on this chit-chat channel. ***SNICKER:***

Gatlin  posted on  2017-10-23   4:52:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: GrandIsland, buckeroo, A K A Stone (#30)

… for incorrectly identifying my posts …

WTF is this stupid twit blithering about now?

Why in God's name can’t he think clearly so as to only talk straight and direct in his posts and be understood?

Never mind answering the second question….it’s rhetorical.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-10-23   5:09:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Gatlin (#34)

A 1955 Austin Healey 100-4 …

One of the most handsome sports cars, styling ahead of its time really. The early Covettes and Porshes had nothing over it.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-10-23   6:17:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Tooconservative (#39)

Side bar note:

I had planned to take the five hour drive from Toul-Rosières AFB France over to watch portions of the “1955 24 Hours of Le Mans” to see the Austin Healey run, but a last minute situation change made it unable for me to make the trip. I all to soon learned that cancellation may have been a blessing when information about the historic crash began to filter out.

I had a ’58 100-6 red-over-black four seater later on at Grissom AFB and my aircraft commander had a black ’62 3000. He lived across the street and we would head out to fly and return from flying in formation.

Enough about the Austin Healey….thanks for triggering the memories.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-10-23   9:45:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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