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Title: The twilight of the elites...in the European Union
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URL Source: https://hotair.com/archives/2017/10 ... wilight-elites-european-union/
Published: Oct 17, 2017
Author: Jazz Shaw
Post Date: 2017-10-17 10:35:59 by Tooconservative
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Signs of that happening come to us with additional news in a similar vein this month. For one example, can you name the youngest national leader in the world right now? If you said Emanuel Macron you’re probably in the majority, but you’re also wrong. Macron is already almost an old man compared to the guy who is set to take power in Austria. That would be 31-year-old Sebastian Kurz, leader of the reinvigorated People’s Party (OeVP), who is about to topple the Socialist Democrat establishment in his nation. This has resulted in what the Washington Times’ Wesley Pruden describes as, “An Austrian thumb in the eye of the elites.” But the new Austrian chancellor, youthful as he is, represents just the kind of new blood that Kennedy brought to the fore in the new world. He has achieved something close to rock-star status. He took over a fading political party whose party colors were black and black, replaced them with turquoise, rebranded the party as “a movement,” promised to get tough on runaway immigration, go easy on new taxes but to stay in Europe and “put Austria first.” Did Kurz come up with “put Austria first” as a copy of Trump’s America First or did they arrive at those catchphrases independently? At this point, it doesn’t really matter. But there’s more of a similarity here than simple sloganeering. Check out the details of the Kurz platform which the Daily Mail described with palpable alarm. Some of this may ring a bell to American observers of politics. (Emphasis added) Kurz, dubbed the Conservative Macron due to his age and his party reform, said: ‘I would of course like to form a stable government. If that cannot be done then there are other options,’ adding that he planned to talk to all parties in parliament but would first wait for a count of postal ballots that begins on Monday. Kurz may form a coalition with either the now weakened Social Democrats or with the more right-wing Freedom Party. But he’s also indicating a willingness to simply go it alone if he can’t structure a deal in keeping with his campaign pledges. But Kurz isn’t the only one. The Czech Republic, also part of that same eastern block, is closing in on their own elections and if the current polling is remotely accurate the race won’t be all that close. Their next leader is most likely to be a far less youthful, but equally revolutionary gentleman who is being referred to as “the Czech Trump” or “the new Berlusconi,” depending who you ask. 63 year old Andrej Babis is the leader of the ANO party and is on track to take control. He’s similarly alarmed the defenders of the status quo with comments about how he is, “done with multiculturalism.” (The Telegraph) To be clear, I don’t believe any of this signals the absolute end of the European Union, nor will the socialist tendencies of their more western member countries be completely subsumed any time soon. Neither Kurz nor Babis is signaling an immediate move toward leaving the EU and both of their nations still benefit greatly from trade through that organization. But at the same time, they have no interest in having Brussels micromanage the affairs of their respective nations and they want their borders to be secured. And seeing how well Hungary has done in thumbing its nose at the EU, both of these men have little reason to fear reprisal. “Make Europe Great Again?” When I recently wrote about the possibility of a coming east-west schism in the European Union (EU), I focused primarily on Hungary and Poland. They’re part of that eastern block of countries which joined the EU a bit later and introduced a definite culture clash with their significantly more socialist, globalist neighbors in France and Brussels. Recent events to the east seem to have signaled a swift erosion of the older, established “elites” who have been running the show. But there are still more dominos left to fall. Herr Kurz is called “the Austrian Trump,” and not, to celebrate his youth, “the Austrian JFK,” which illustrates just how far time has marched on. Two generations have been birthed in Europe that can barely recognize the late president by his mere initials. The young leader, dubbed Wunderwuzzi in his home country, which translates to Wonderkid, has pledged to cut benefits for all foreigners in Austria and has vowed to stop the European Union meddling in the country’s politics. “We have other enemies than Russia. We have to fight the human traffickers in the Mediterranean. Twenty thousand have died in that sea. We have terrorism blighting Europe. What are we waiting for?” Mr. Babiš insisted that there are no genuine refugees arriving in Europe.
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#1. To: All, IbJensen (#0)
The Czech elections are the likely tipping point between Old Europe and New Europe. The Czechs, Poles, Austrians and Hungarians could constitute a formidable counterweight against Germany's Merkel and her French boy-toy, Macron.
That would make perfect sense!
Liberals are like Slinkys. They're good for nothing, but somehow they bring a smile to your face as you shove them down the stairs.
Great Post. Multiculturalism (which let the Muslims in who are terrorizing Europe & America) is a failed experiment, and virtually every politician who has supported it has either already been defeated, or soon will be. Very soon, the EU will be either be completely disbanded, or else be forced to abandon its "open borders" policy if it is to have any chance of survival. Next, all NATO nations that continue to embrace Islam (the 7th head of Satan) will be kicked out, leaving the prophesied 24 Christian nations which are to rule the Earth for Jesus for a glorious 1000 years! It cannot fail to come to pass because Jesus said it and He doesn't lie.
Damage done. The Politicians/Tools have been compensated for their treason. They care not about "re-election" The enabling of an Invading Army of Jihadis was NOT any "experiment," but planned infection, designed to cripple and bloody the native serfs. Your Overlords and Occultist-Elites welcome the coming chaos. The "experimental" infection did NOT have the consent of any of its host nations, was based on blatant lie of "refugees," and rammed down the throats of the serfs by the Globalist overlords, whose End Game is anarchy. Then, "Order out of Chaos." Next, all NATO nations that continue to embrace Islam (the 7th head of Satan) will be kicked out, leaving the prophesied 24 Christian nations which are to rule the Earth for Jesus for a glorious 1000 years! It cannot fail to come to pass because Jesus said it and He doesn't lie. I don't know where you get your "prophesies" from, but you don't seem to be able to grasp what's actually going on, nor the timing. Fwiw, "NATO Nations" are run by Globalist-Elitist Occultists.
Too little, too late. Other than mass deportation or other means of elimination, there IS no antidote for the millions of Jihadis already firmly entrenched and organized within the bowels of Europe. This is nothing but Parlor Trick by the Elites. Random pro-nationalist elections are intended to give the illusion of "Democracy-in-action" and of nations "who still retain autonomy and sovereignty."
You assume that all Muslim immigrants are or will stay hardcore Muzzies. I think a lot of them, probably a majority, will be corrupted by living in free Western nations. Some will stay in Muzzie mode, perhaps for generations. But not all of them. We always assume that no one will defect from the Muzzie agenda. We see that isn't true here in the States.
Right. That's a crazy assumption. What am I thinking?? Forgive me -- for some reason I'm getting flashbacks of Bush's "Islam is a Religion of Peace," Neocons claims of a "Heroes' Welcomes" in Iraq as it was to become the world's first "Moslem Democracy" in 1400 years. I think a lot of them, probably a majority, will be corrupted by living in free Western nations. Some will stay in Muzzie mode, perhaps for generations. But not all of them. No, "not all of them." Just enough to go rampaging onward toward their Jihad and fulfilling Allah's Commandment to "crush the Infidel." The mandatory "Convert OR Die" T-Shirts will be sold by Amazon soon.
He misspelled "effete". In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
You are FUCKIN' NUTCASE.
You are the only nutcase. Can you name even one multi-culturist who has been reelected? Granted, the election in Germany is still up in the air, but Merkel, I'm pretty sure, will ultimately be defeated if she does not change her stance on immigration. Very soon there will be 23 other "politically incorrect" presidents/PM's just like Trump who will likewise build a wall around their nation, and they will rule the Earth for a thousand years unimpeded by the last head of Satan.
I know you "want" all this multiculturalism BS to go away ... but realize (assuming you can) that it is a pipe dream. The Europeans are socialists and they like foreign nationals invading their respective countries. Get over it and put down the pipe.
Who would have ever thought back in the 80s that Hungary, Poland and the Czech republic would be more western then west Europe.
It can't be too surprising that they don't like to be ordered around by Brussels any more than they liked being ordered around by Moscow during the Soviet era. Despite a rising resistance, I don't see Brussels stopping. They will keep pushing and may resort to more coercive measures. This is where Brexit has really hurt them. And the situation in Catalonia only makes things worse.
Nope. It is no pipe dream. I "paraphrased" it a bit, but it was Jesus who originally said it, not me. And He doesn't tell any fibs. There may still be some "socialists" in power, depending entirely on how you want to define that term, but they definitely wont be of the multi-cultural variety.
Despite a rising resistance, I don't see Brussels stopping. They will keep pushing and may resort to more coercive measures. This is where Brexit has really hurt them. And the situation in Catalonia only makes things worse. You have brought up what I have found to be a very, very interesting subject -- Catalonia and the Basque people/race. Linguists tell us that virtually all of the languages spoken in Europe and Asia and north Africa are derived from a common language that originated in Mesopotamia, that is, the Garden of Eden and Adam and Eve. The only exceptions are the languages spoken by the Basques (in Catalonia), and the Turks/Turkish language, and the Uralic languages. To make a long story very short, God only wants the descendants of Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply until they have dominion over all the Earth. IMHO, the Basque people should be very thankful that they even exist 6000 years later, and submit to being ruled by the descendants of Adam and Eve and be exceedingly glad about it. Barry Midyet
Well, we have at least one member here at LF who might take exception to your views on the Basque. I think the Basque are rather uniquely ancient, one of the few (or only) groups to retain their most ancient heritage in a way comparable to (or superior to) the Jews. I see no reason to find fault with them or suggest they are some kind of second-class citizens who are tolerated on the margins of society. The Basque have lived pretty quietly and inoffensively throughout the medieval and modern era. There are a lot of other groups (like Vikings) that are far more offensive historically than the Basque have been.
You can't get anything right or in proper perspective. All your predictions suck. All your comments on current events suck; so why not change your monicker to: "I suck?"
I think the Basque are rather uniquely ancient, one of the few (or only) groups to retain their most ancient heritage in a way comparable to (or superior to) the Jews. I see no reason to find fault with them or suggest they are some kind of second-class citizens who are tolerated on the margins of society. The Basque have lived pretty quietly and inoffensively throughout the medieval and modern era. There are a lot of other groups (like Vikings) that are far more offensive historically than the Basque have been. I agree 100% that the Basque people/language is older than Adam and Eve and the Jewish race/ language. But that does not mean that they are "superior." That, according to the Bible, makes them inferior. But they still exist and that's fine with me. And I have, I'm pretty sure, been communicating at times with the Basque person on LF you are talking about. I'm sure she is a very fine person. But the Basques/Catalonia, in my opinion, should not be allowed to secede from Spain. That's all I'm saying, and nothing bad. And before anyone on LF stoops to calling me a racist, let me just say that my wife is a member of one of the "inferior" races not descended from Adam and Eve. I.e., she is a Mexican-American with (I'm fairly sure) at least some American Indian blood/genes in her family tree. I am also, like most Americans, an American "mutt" and just happy to be here, as all people in our great nation should be. And while we are on this subject, I feel that African Americans should also be very thankful they are here, no matter how their ancestors got here.
I have got everything right so far. Every one of my annual predictions that I have been making for 25 years have come to pass just like I said they would. So I suggest/conclude that it is you that has never got anything right or in the proper perspective.
To make a long story very short, God only wants the descendants of Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply until they have dominion over all the Earth. IMHO, the Basque people should be very thankful that they even exist 6000 years later, and submit to being ruled by the descendants of Adam and Eve and be exceedingly glad about it. Barry Midyet You have interesting views. Now let's perfect them a bit. (1) Catalonia is not the Basque country. Catalonia is the territory of the Catalans, centered on Barcelona on the eastern, Mediterranean coast of Spain. (2) The Basque country - Euskal Herria (in Euskal, which is the Basque word for "Basque") - Vasconia in Spanish - is on the western, Atlanic coast, of Spain and France, centered on the Pyrenees, the Atlantic, coastal borderlands between the two countries. Catalonia and the Basque country (which includes both Vasconia and Navarre, on the Spanish side, and Lapurdi, Zuberoa and French Navarre on the Frenchside) do not touch geographically. The Spanish province of Aragon sits between them. My point: Catalonia is not peopled by Basques, and the Catalans do not speak Basque. They speak Catalan, a Latin language, which is essentially the same as the traditional language of Southern France - the "Languedoc" dialect. (3) We Basques are descendants of the post-Flood Nephilim. The biological difference between us and the rest of the Europeans, reposing in our blood type, makes us only partially interfertile with other people. Essentially, a Basque woman with Rh negative blood has typically only been able to have one child with a male who has Rh positive blood, because of the "blue baby" syndrome. After she has had her first child, the leakage of the positive blood allele across the placental connection causes an allergic reaction in the woman, which in turn causes her body to reject all later Rh positive babies. (4) What this means is that when other folks have come through the Basque country, as conquerors or colonizers, that Basque women have been able to produce at most one child with them, but they can produce unlimited children with other Basques. In time, this has acted to genetically reduce the presence of the foreigner with each successive generation, and to preserve the Basque race. Basques have always been seafarers, the first open-ocean Atlantic ones. This has been for the purpose of fishing, not conquest. On land, we've been sheepherders since time immemorial. Columbus was the hired head of the expedition, but he got to America and back on ships crewed by Basques - nobody else were deep-sea sailors. Ditto for Magellan. He died. It was his Basque crew who actually made it around the world. (5) As far as us deserving to be "very thankful that we even exist..." and that we ought to "submit", you sound like a Nazi. Other people did not give us life. The same God that gave you your life, and that will take it away, gave us ours. We are men like anybody else, descendants of Adam and Eve. We're partly descended from the giants also, but what is that to you? We don't have the Rhesus monkey factor in our blood because we're descended from angels. YOU have it because YOU are descended from monkeys. So we're superior to you, obviously. The royal families of France and Spain - the House of Bourbon - comes out of Navarre and are Basque in origin. So, really, we are the greatest explorers and rulers - even our blood rejects your monkey blood. See how idiotic that sounds? (6) We fish. We herd sheep. We leave people alone. We came over to Christ in Roman times and have stayed with him. We haven't invaded our neighbors. We've had various folks pass through, and some stay...Celts, Romans, Visigoths, Arabs (the Song of Roland takes place in the Basque country), French and Spanish. Once we're all Christian and people are not abusive, what difference does it make? We're a smallish tribe that never had any ambition to take over the world, and it's better for us to be connected with the wider world. Catching fish and herding sheep is a living, but there's more to life than that, and to get out of your little province and see the world you need to be able to get along with other people. Some people get the idea of making other people "submit" to their imagined cultural superiority into their heads. The Romans did. They're gone. The Muslims did. They're gone. Franco did. He's dead and has shuffled off to hell. We're still there. And here. And all over the world. (7) Another correction: All of humanity is descended from Adam and Eve, and from Cain and Zillah, and Noah and Na'amah and either Ham, Shem or Japheth. Some of us are also descended from fallen angels. I think you're probably not descended from monkeys, you just act like you are with all of this "SUBMIT" business. Chimps and imperalists beat their chests. Always have. They die and rot in the grave like fishermen and herders, just the same. But the fisherman and the herder has a better chance of spending the afterlife in Paradise than the imperialist. He gets to spend a longer spell in purgatorial Gehenna repenting his violence and arrogance. So no, we should not be "submitting" to you monkey-bloods, any more than you should be submitting to us angelics. Really, the only difference between us and you, when you get down to the brass tacks, is that we are much better looking and therefore get more girls.
Wow, I was pretty sure I would receive a lot of flak from all the Basques including you. And you have really let me have it exactly as I expected. And I will have to further investigate some of the things you have said. But one thing I know for sure is you are not descended from Adam and Eve, and not because I say so, but because every linguist on Earth says so. There is not one word in the Basque language that is derived from the language that Adam and Eve spoke (sometimes called the Indo-European language, but it actually originated in Mesopotamia (Eden) according to most linguists). So I stand 100 % behind what I have said. I am only repeating what what virtually all linguists say. And granted, the Basques are scattered throughout Spain and France in addition to Catalonia, but I fail to see how that makes any difference, or affects anything that I have said. I stand by my remarks 100 % as do all linguists. So I rest my case. But I am sure you are a very good person, and as I recall, a Roman Catholic? That, my friend will get you into heaven, and not your race for God's sake. BTW, we are all descended from monkeys, both you and I and all of modern (i.e, civilized) humans, through the process of Intelligent Design. In other words, God designed it that both you and I would be here and be able to have this very important (and civil) debate on LF. And I will have to agree that you are probably better looking than I am. I am pretty ugly and dont get many girls, that's for sure. Sincerely, Barry Midyet
BTW, you may have missed the latest reindeer news. TheLibertyConservative: Reindeer Farmer Turned Congressman Hopes To Regain Lost House Seat In 2018
Of course Basque isn't Indo -European. The Basques settled Iberia and Acquitania 40,000 years ago, painted the caves and bred with Neanderthals. Photo-Indoeuropeans didn't exist yet. The Steppes from which they eventually came 32000 years later were still covered with ice. So was Michigan, for that matter. There were no Great Lakes yet, and England and France were still a continuous, flat continent (with no people in them). The Basques have been in place for a long, long, LONG time - preparing Indo-European by tens of millennia. But Adam and Eve speaking Indo-European? No linguist will say that. For one thing, linguistics is a real science. Real science treats Adam and Eve as a cultural legend, not an actual fact. But beyond that, if we allow Adam and Eve actual existence, in a Middle Eastern Eden, with their lines traced forward among all men (and in particular the patriarchs of the Bible) THOSE people spoke Hebrew and Akkadian, Aramaic and Canaanitin and Phonecian, and Coptic Egyptian. And those languages are entirely Hamitic and Semitic in origin, two completely different language families utterly unrelated to Indo-European, as are Sinitic (Chinese) and Altaic (Mongolian) languages. Basque is unique not only because it's a European language unrelated to the surrounding Indo-European languages, but because it is not related to ANY other language or language family on earth. That is because we are descended from angels...or Neanderthalers.
Now THAT's good stuff! If I win the lottery, I'm going to do it: milk the white-tails! It's proven technology with the reindeer, so let's take it to the next step!
Finally, a GOP congressman that you can like. Anyway, it's very rare to catch any reindeer news so naturally I thought of your interest.
I am curious: have you ever even milked a cow? Or a goat? Both are a lot more domesticated than any deer or reindeer. It isn't as much fun as you might think. And forget about any vacations or leaving home unless you have a neighbor or employee stupid enough to keep up the milking twice a day. You have to milk on schedule twice a day to keep up milk production. And they don't make any milking machines that can fit a goat or reindeer AFAIK.
It isn't as much fun as you might think. Of course. And you're right, it's not particularly fun. It's not a horror either. A chore. I assume that I will organize the farms and make sure they operate efficiently and have proper facilities and veterinary care. I assume that once I have gone through the rather dreary business of establishing the best practices and the proper standards of kind treatment, by example, that I will be able to step away from the actual teat-squeezing and hire peasants to do that part.
Your prospects of finding enough reliable teat-squeezing peasants may not be as rosy as you think. Even so, I wish you luck with finding them. Finding milkmaids in the 21st century isn't so easy. It seems they do have milking machines for goats and sheep at Amazon. Not just one, a number of types. They offer different sizes of teat cups, goat hobbles (I only ever had hobbles for a cow), other equipment.
Finding milkmaids in the 21st century isn't so easy. I always figured that I would have an easier time persuading the Russians to let me turn Siberia into a vast set of linked farms than persuading any American state to let me turn the wild whitetails into a semi-domesticated herd. There are plenty of peasants in Russia willing to do things a lot more demeaning than that. In the US, I would prefer to use prisoners. Handling their own animals often makes really bad men better than they were.
Russia is willing, eager even, to bring in American agricultural producers with expertise. They have ranchers and cowboys over there from places like Wyoming and Montana (people who are used to cold weather and a hard life).
Back after their Revolution and before World War II, many skilled American engineers went over there to help them set up factories using modern techniques. Tsarist Russia was really pathetic at educating engineers to do that, due to the class and wealth strictures on education under the old monarchy. I had a great uncle who was an engineer in the auto industry in Michigan who went over there in the 1920s and helped them design and build modern factories for machine production. It's a good thing Americans went over and did that, because it was those same factories that churned out war material that ate up the German armies two decades later. Without those production facilities, the USSR would never have been able to survive the German onslaught, and we would have faced an ugly one-front war against the Third Reich on the beaches of France. After the Cold War ended, men like Tillerson went over there with their companies and helped the Russians re-establish their oil industry on modern lines. Russia really is a land of opportunity for American engineers with vision. It's a vast land with people who are well- educated in the sciences, but who do not have the benefit of modern systems theory or capital. Russians are hardy, and they will work as regular employees in places so harsh that American workers would demand - and get - high pay as an incentive to go. Russia's a hard place, to be sure, and if you try to set up any sort of financial system, you are going to get robbed. (That is also true in China, for different reasons: the Chinese government will steal your intellectual property. The Russian government won't do that, but the Russian mob will literally steal any money you bring in.) In Russia, you can have security if you build things in agriculture, in raw materials exploitation, in power generation. And you building things means that you provide the money and some expertise - the Russians themselves will build it and operate it, but if you provide the funds and some plans, the Russians will let you get a reasonable profit stream from it and won't just seize it. There is a rule of law, of sorts, in Russian when you stay down in beetroots and machine parts. Try to make money on money flows, which is to say usury, and you're going to get devoured. In China, you can make a profit for a few years, while you build your big factories. But then they will steal you blind and take all of your intellectual property. And anyway, China is not full of deer. Siberia is. One of the Soviet Winter War plans was to move large populations of defeated Finnish Laplanders to Siberia to make it productive in cold weather agriculture and industry. Of course those plans never came to be because the Finns fought the Soviets off pretty effectively until the very end - and then Stalin had far bigger fish to fry than little Finland. "So many Russians, and our country so small, where will we find room to bury them all?" - Finnish expression from 1940.
Siberia aside, I still think it would be difficult to line up and milk reindeer with milking machines. And they still only would produce something like two quarts of milk per day. A dairy cow can produce gallons. You would really have to have a market demand to justify creating the herd and barns and machinery and such. And then get the reindeer to be a little cooperative.
Yeah watch the closest hind leg closely.
You will at least need 8 maids a milking. Just think how the "12 days of Christmas" reinforces white privilege. :)
In Texas some Juvenile Corrections facilities teach ranching/farming skills. That could be a ministry for you Vic. Come on down to Texas and leave behind your Yankee ways (as I did). :)
Good stuff. You really ought to have been a University professor. You're problem would have been boredom if you were compelled to teach the same subject every year. (Still have that reindeer dream? :-)
You would really have to have a market demand to justify creating the herd and barns and machinery and such. And then get the reindeer to be a little cooperative. Now...THIS is classic LP/LF fare. Hilarious. I for one enjoy it. MLK had his dream; Vic has his. The couple quarts + untrainable reindeer does present logistics probs if the intent is commercial liability. Reindeer milk. Reindeer Mozzarella. Reindeer yogurt. Hmmm...
When the day comes when I'm milking a reindeer or cow, I'm hoping for a kick in the head ;-)
Just think how the "12 days of Christmas" reinforces white privilege. :) Uh-oh. 12 Days of a WHITEY Christmas. Great meme.
Excellent idea. Vic, first you've got to run a personal pilot program. I truly believe Vic could well conduct a Juvie project and turn it into a ministry... Or run seminars in his native New England. I can see one or all being successful for him... All those retired hippies up in Vermont, Mass, NY State and CT are BEGGING for something like this. Btw, dunno how anybody can leave NY/NJ/CT pizza and beaches for...Texas ;-/
Hence a proper set of hobbles. And a rope if they're really uppity. : ) My hobbles were very old and looked just like this I see they have nicer nylon hobbles now that would be gentler to the skin.
I'm not saying the reindeer are untrainable, just undomesticated. You can break even a herd cow in adulthood to milk. But you find that most aren't amenable. They just don't like us. I can't blame them. However, something around 15%-20% of herd cows can be bribed to docility with a quart or two of corn. Just make sure that you're done milking before they finish their bribe. : )
So...IF they can become domesticated, it is plausible they will hold still and cooperate for a quart or two per day? You can break even a herd cow in adulthood to milk. But you find that most aren't amenable. They just don't like us. I can't blame them. However, something around 15%-20% of herd cows can be bribed to docility with a quart or two of corn. Just make sure that you're done milking before they finish their bribe. : ) Don't like those odds. And timing. As a Joisey guy, I think I'd rather roll the dice and brave the lunatics in the dairy section of Walmart. WAIT....
Just for fun, do it all in remote Siberia. Vic had better win the lottery. You might be surprised. Sell it as all-organic, super-healthy, tell the rubes that the Eskimos are eating and drinking reindeer milk and living to be 185 years old, the usual sales blarney. It's not impossible, given adequate marketing and enough stupid rich hippie types. Vic probably knows tons of 'em right in his own neighborhood.
Being truly domesticated takes many centuries. Dogs are domesticated. Most cow breeds are domesticated. Cats are barely domesticated. Goats and sheep are mostly domesticated. So you wouldn't get truly domesticated animals in your lifetime probably. But if you raise them in captivity and that is all they know and they can't really forage for themselves, complete dependency of a herd on humans does look a lot like domestication. You could likely find feeds they would especially like, that would increase their milk production as well. Clovers, alfalfas, apple cube products, all that stuff you can buy to attract deer. You only need to get them to walk into their milking stall and hold still for five minutes twice a day. And they do have some discomfort if they aren't milked so that works for you. It would be a total yuppie product. Not in the price range of the People Of Walmart.
I'm from Michigan - a Midwesterner - not a Yankee.
Quite impossible, really. Reindeer, moose and elk are skittish. You have to do it by hand. Cervid milk is very rich in milkfat. Producer cow milk is 3.75% milkfat. Reindeer milk in on the order of 23%. Market demand is easy to generate. You take the milk and you make gjetost desert cheese out of it. You cut it into three ounce blocks and you put it in green, red and white wrapping with a picture of Santa's face and reindeer, and you market it at Christmastime as "Santa's own" - genuine reindeer milk cheese. You sell it for $15 a cube. Likewise, you make reindeer milk chocolate, in the form of a reindeer, and sell that. And finally, you market a triple-creamy Bullwinkle's Butter, made from moose milk.
Rudolph's own. Santa's own. Bullwinkle's own butter. And once you've milked the white-tails, Bambi Brand And Hart Healthy Elk milk.
There are ways to significantly gentle most any species. It may take a generation or so. We just haven't tried very hard yet. I can think of a number of approaches that might work beyond food bribery. First, you have to explain to the yuppie foodies what that is and why they want it more than life itself. You're making me uncomfortable. LOL
A man with ambitions. Heh-heh. I think you might be more commercially viable with elk than with whitetail or reindeer. A bigger animal, it can produce more milk per animal, reducing labor costs, facility overhead, etc.
But is it enough of a challenge? 8-P You might be surprised. Sell it (reindeer milk, cheese, yogurt, etc) as all-organic, super-healthy, tell the rubes that the Eskimos are eating and drinking reindeer milk and living to be 185 years old, the usual sales blarney. It's not impossible, given adequate marketing and enough stupid rich hippie types. Vic probably knows tons of 'em right in his own neighborhood. Absolutely. I wouldn't be surprised at all that reindeer dairy products could find a very viable marketing niche in New England as well as the Pacific NW. Yup...parade some wrinkled up 185 year old Yankees claiming IT has been THE reason for challenging Methuselah's longevity and good health.
SOMEWAY, I feel compelled to defer to the skilled hands of you midwestern types and Yankee types who find squeezing and tugging on select animal parts for milk more routine. Walmart might carry the Chinese "reindeer" milk for a very reasonable price ;-) Yes...the snob-appeal should also work in Vic's favor. I can see Whole Foods carrying Reindeer milk. Say $12 per quart (is that enough??)
Likewise, you make reindeer milk chocolate, in the form of a reindeer, and sell that. And finally, you market a triple-creamy Bullwinkle's Butter, made from moose milk. Duuude! Marketing looks done! ("Triple-creamy Bullwinkle's Butter"?) Get a move on with this dream! 23% fat? Moose and Squirrel Milk Shakes! Whatchoo waiting for? Seriously...
You're making me uncomfortable. LOL Heh...(now that you mention it)
Since we've had a number of posts now based on this reindeer "farmer", I thought I'd mention a bit more about him. He's a Santa impersonator and his thing is getting his reindeer to pull a sleigh in parades and at special events. I can't find a picture of them actually pulling the sleigh. Bentivolio said he took up acting in movies to get rid of his stage fright in front of cameras. In 2010, he acted in the low budget movie Lucy's Law in the role of a TV News reporter.[9] In 2011, he appeared in another low budget political satire, The President Goes to Heaven.[10] . . . Bentivolio's wife Karen is a registered nurse. They have resided in Milford, Michigan since 1982 and live on a small farm raising reindeer trained to pull Santa’s sleigh in various parades and special holiday events within Michigan. They also maintain a small flock of chickens, a 25-hive apiary of honeybees, and a 115-vine vineyard. Bentivolio is an avid sportsman and bass fisherman. He is a novice golfer and enjoys clay pigeon shooting.[49] I don't think he milks the reindeer or the chickens. I have to wonder if he's brave enough to stand that close to the reindeer bucks during the rut. I know I wouldn't.
It would be in that price range, I think. At least initially.
Bwaahaa!
Dunno about that; the menage a buck look kinda...happy. Especially the mammal in the middle.
I like the bovine faces of the reindeer and their larger bodies (more meat/milk) and fur type. More attractive than deer or mooses (who have been known to bite your sister). The reindeer faces/bodies remind me more of cattle.
Remember, I'm Basque AND Sami. Basques have been fishing herring and milking sheep for something like 40,000 years. And Sami have been fishing herring and milking reindeer for about 30,000. The reindeer thing (and moose) is already a think in Samiland - has been since before anybody walked into America from Alaksa. But milking the WHITE TAILS, our kind of deer way down here - THAT is a new thing! Not hard to see why. Cows and yaks and buffalo are relatively docile (bison aren't - and nobody milked them), and sheep and goats are relatively docile and small, so you can manhandle them. There are those things wherever there are whitetails, and deer don't have the same production. So, to milk the deer would have meant trying to tame an immensely skittish, dangerously strong animal you can't manhandle, and that can get away, and kick the hell out of you...in other words, you get hurt a lot, and you get maybe a cup of milk out of them for your troubles. And the males will kill you during certain seasons (not that you're going to be milking the males (...not that there's anything wrong with that...)). OR you could just get three cups of milk everyday from a little goat that isn't going to randomly go berserk and kick you to death. Deer are hard. Reindeer are quite a bit more docile. You can actually harness them up to pull a sleight. Moose also. Try pulling a sleigh with whitetails. Think of the insane, tangled, braying, kicking goat rope that would be! There's a reason that we haven't tried this yet. But there's a reason to do it. Truth is, forests are good and clean the air, but they are really not economically productive at all, unless you chop them down (and then you h'ain't got no more forest). The deer naturally thrive in woodland, so if you turn them into vast semi- domesticated dairy herds, the forest becomes a source of ongoing meat, milk and soft deer leather that is native to the environment and does not require anything like the endless care that other dairy animals require. The forested vastness of Canada and Siberia is mostly uninhabited and has no economic function or much of a future other than to become Japanese chopsticks. Systematize cervid dairy, and suddenly there is a modest but steady stream of useful products that will generate more economic return and employ quite a few more people than simply slashing down the taiga. Also, because the milk is unique, wild and healthy, and a new thing, it could be done in a very different way. If you run the taiga whitetail farms (and red deer also) as wild organic no-kill, you could create a food supply for the animal loving niche, and no-kill soft leather.
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Those aren't necessarily bucks. The thing with reindeer. In the summer, the males have antlers to compete for females. But as winter comes, the male antlers fall off and the females grow antlers, which form a redoubtable antler wall around the babies when the snows come. The relatively defenseless males get eaten in the winter by the wolves, while the antlered females circle and defend their babies and themselves. Come spring, the females lose their antlers and the males gain theirs. So, when you look at Santa's sleigh, you note that all of the reindeer have antlers, and it's winter, which means that Dasher, Dancer, Prancer, Vixen, Comet, Cupid, Donner and Blitzen are all females. Rudolph is confused.
Of course. But you see, that is the CHALLENGE. My people have been milking reindeer for 40,000 years. And moose. But nobody's done the whitetails yet. The poor whitetails just get shot and hit by cars. But there they are, grazing milk producers that don't need pasture at all - they take care of themselves and feed themselves on your flowers. I would be happy to take on the body management duty too. Lots of deer get hit. That meat would make great dog food and cat food, and the pelts are the softest leather. Let me have the bodies. Let me tag the deer and raise up the females to be tame enough to approach later - we do not tame the males - they don't produce milk, and they are dangerous in rut. Leave the males wild, and leave the females part-wild. Give them safe pasture for birthing and baby raising - and milk them there. This lets you hand tame the new crop of babies. Let them run wild and free the rest of the year. A side effect will be to clean up the diseases that run in the wild and have a healthier herd. But this will remain just a dream unless I win the lottery.
I suppose you could milk the males also - produce the cervid equivalent of Elmer's glue. It doesn't seem like a rewarding job for most, but it would give an economic function to serious sex offenders. Putting them in cages is costly. Put them on Svalbard on reindeer male-milking duty and they will have a function. Then we just have to find something to do with reindeer jizz. I'm sure you can make a fortune on it as an "ancient medicinal substance" in China, and as the "secret ingredient" in cosmetic skin care products in the rich West.
Yes the pizza and change of seasons is well missed. But we make the most of it when we visit.
The best beaches of all are those of northern Lake Michigan. Bright clean sand, blue clear lakes, no salt, no jellyfish, no sharks, no pollution...practically no people. You never get thirsty on the beach because you just go swimming and drink the water.
OR you could just get three cups of milk everyday from a little goat that isn't going to randomly go berserk and kick you to death. Deer are hard. Reindeer are quite a bit more docile. You can actually harness them up to pull a sleight. Moose also. Try pulling a sleigh with whitetails. Think of the insane, tangled, braying, kicking goat rope that would be! Yeah, I'd stick with the reindeer. Or try the elk maybe. Whitetails (or mulies) seem like an exercise in masochistic husbandry.
I was unaware. I can see why it would work for the survival of the species in very harsh climates. Males are pretty dispensable once they've contributed sperm. And they eat too much for Mother Nature to keep them around through the winter.
You don't know any farmers, do you? The whitetail is an evil parasite. It lives off the finest feed you can produce. Your best alfalfas and clovers and wild hay and cane that you stockpile for the winter are a favorite target for these foul creatures. Naturally, much of the Midwest was untreed before man settled so these were not areas where deer were native. So farmers do resent that the states will board these parasites on their property, eating and destroying their best feed.
Well, plenty of males DO survive - probably most of them, year to year. (Also, it's the old males who shed their antlers in the winter; young males keep theirs, as the females grow theirs.) There aren't THAT many wolves, or polar bears. But it is the males that get eaten in the winter, yes. You figure that a wolf will eat about a deer a week, if that's all they have to eat (it isn't - they eat salmon, rodents, rabbits, etc.) so a pack of 20 will eat 20 a week. If they were just eating deer, that'd be 1040 deer a year. Reindeer herds run in the tens or hundreds of thousands, and it is really humans that keeps them limited. Wild herds in wild Siberia where there are no people run to over a million. The wolf and bear populations are large to match.
I have known a few, back home and down South. In Connecticut, the deer herd is large and suburban, and there are no farmers or hunters. Their biggest predators are coyotes and cars. You can't keep flowers where I live without a fence, and the fence has to be a high wall. The "deer repellent" they sell makes the deer unhappy, but if they are hungry enough, they'll eat whatever it is sprayed with anyway. And it washes off with the rain. Cows and sheep would be pests to crop farmers also, if they weren't herded.
I've seen some footage of their migrations. Awesome stuff. Reminds me of the migrations of wildebeests across the African savannas. Like the reindeer, they have predators waiting for them and following their migration (lions, crocs, hyenas, etc.). Sometimes you start to see these herd animals as Nature's protein transfer systems. But they are more than that. Hey, if milking the reindeer and whitetails doesn't work out, you could try the gnus! : )
Naturally, the parts of the Midwest where my folks headed were the tree- covered, lake-splotched, snowy far north of it. The Upper Peninsula of Michigan is like Finland, but without the glitter. Up there, crop farming is hard, and people really didn't. They fished and hunted, and mined copper and cut trees, and trapped fur, and moved the stuff around, for employment. Some tried to cut down the forest and plant crops, and you can make rutabagas and cabbages grow there...which the hares will promptly devour...and you can get that sort of stuff down the lake by trading the local products. Today, everything comes in by truck, and nobody mines copper or traps fur anymore for a living. But the deer are there, waiting for somebody to come and make a new industry. Nobody else is going to do it, because nobody believes in it. I win the lottery, and that's what I do - starting in Michigan. I love animals, get along with them, don't like to kill them. So I'm going "no kill" with two native species: the white-tails. I'm happy to add the moose and the elk to that, but that's for show and to get interest. The whitetails are the heart of the operation. No-kill whitetail dairy and leather. That's one line. I don't pretend that it would be easy, but I do believe that it is doable, and that after a decade or two of unprofitability, a steady if low margin profit stream can be generated by the milk and the leather - maybe the meat as dog food and cat food (you don't want to be eating meat that dies of natural causes). The other line would be more profitable: there are wild sturgeon in the great lakes, and they spawn in certain rivers. Sturgeon produce caviar. The Michigan sturgeon are not used for that, and there is only a limiting fishing season, but the point is that they ARE there, naturally - this is sturgeon habitat. That means that certain of the breeding pools can be established as a sturgeon hatchery. Now, here's the thing: a German fellow has developed a means to hand milk the eggs out of sturgeon females, such that the females are not killed and continue to grow. This or similar techniques are already used at a Latvian sturgeon farm and a South Korean one, which produce no-kill caviar thereby. The fish live and get bigger and bigger by the season (no longer having human predators), and produce more and more eggs. Deer milk, soft deer leather, and no-kill sturgeon caviar - straight from Northern Michigan. That's a good start. The third thing I have in mind is zebra mussel harvesting. Thanks to the St. Lawrence Seaway, the Great Lakes have become infested with zebra mussels. These shellfish are not noxious, but they do cover everything...including the insides of municipal water pipes, causing issues. Shellfish are edible, and mussels are good for you. Their shells concentrate calcium and potassium and, ground up, make enriching fertilizer. Harvesting those mussels - just stripping them off of stuff - would be a public service. And a process could be made, maybe, to extract the meats. Otherwise, just grind up the whole mass and make fertilizer or salmon feed. And finally, duck, goose, swan and seagull eggs. These waterfowl abound in a place where one is never more than 1 mile from some body of water. Michigan is a wet place. Wild birds are free range, and seagulls, at least, are not a remotely endangered species. So set up nesting and harvest some eggs. Then there are the trees themselves and their edible products. A lottery win means freedom to pursue these things. If God wants them to be, He will make it possible.
That's a gnu idea. But first we gotta try milking pigs.
The Michigan tourism board wouldn't care for that description. : ) Now that is interesting, providing you can avoid disease. You know the challenges for fish farms. Pretty much the original Republican Big Gooberment project. The ruinous demands for taxation of the South that set off the Civil War were to be used to fund such projects. Goddammed Yankee scum.
Other than some bacon and the occasional pork chop, I tend to agree with the opinions of the Jews about swine.
You let the sturgeon be wild. It's just that when they swim up the rivers to spawn, you gate them in during the season and milk some of the eggs from the large, wild fish. You don't pen them all year, and you do let them naturally reproduce. Unlike salmon, sturgeon swim up river, nest, spawn, and swim back out to the big lake afterwards. They'll do that for a hundred years and more if they aren't killed. So you protect them from hunting, and you protect their spawning ground, and you hand-harvest some of the eggs. And you otherwise let the fish be.
Alright then, dogs milk and cat milk. We can turn the dog pounds into producing dairies!
The St. Lawrence Seaway opened in 1959. Don't think it was a cause of the Civil War.
The Michigan Tourist Board actually ran a campaign about 20 years ago called "Say Nice Things About Detroit". Sounded to me more like a desperate plea than a call for tourism. I'm thinking that something more pungent like: "Bite the Bullet: Try Detroit". Or "Detroit Convention Center: Dirt cheap, and you probably won't die."
Ah, of course. I was thinking of the Erie Canal which was in operation prior to the Civil War. Nevertheless, the Whigs and early Republicans were all about big national works projects of that type and establishing central banking again, along with using the established federal troops to drive the Indians onto remote reservations to clear the way for settlers. There was a canal mania in Britain and France and here in the States, even before the American Revolution. Canal-building was a great passion of progressive big-government types. Most of these canals were boondoggles that were a waste of public money.
If you want to make some big money, try to find an inexpensive way to wipe out the feral hogs that are ruining land and crops from Michigan to Texas and across the South. Rural people get very excited when a herd is spotted. Around here, the very mention of a sighting of feral hogs results in people organizing and spending a weekend or more hunting down and killing every last one of them.
The Erie Canal opened up the Great Lakes to eastern goods. And it opened up the Great Lakes farms to Eastern markets.
Today is the anniversary of the opening of the Erie Canal in 1852. Saw it on CBS News channel via Roku just now. But Wiki sez it was 1825, a justaposition by SeeBS. Wiki details how the canal was deepened and widened over the years from 1825 through 1855. So I'll take Wiki's word for it. SeeBS strikes again. Probably they'll next show the charter of the Canal in proportional font with Dan Rather presenting...
I'd have to find some PURPOSE for the hogs other than bacon. Some could be trained to snuffle truffles, but most would need some other purpose. The purpose to which they could effectively be put would be as natural rototillers. It is a very old French practice to fence in an area of tough soil one would like to plant and just put some pigs in there and let them root around for a season. They turn over the soil, they fertilize it. It's a zero-labor way to (irregularly) till soil and fertilize it. The broken soil can then be double-dug for French intensive gardening. So, you don't need a modern rototiller or any sort of machines, or labor. Just rooting hogs. Of course, they have to be fed, but they can and will eat many things. I'd imagine that if an area is infested with wild pigs, you could do a no kill hunt, round them up and truck them out as a group. A single normal- sized pig can root up a 300 square foot area and turn it into a mud pit - a fertile mudpit beautiful for planting next season, so a 1000 pound wild sow could probably tear up a good 500 sf easily. Get 100 of them going, and you'd have 50,000 sf of deeply turned, fertilized, gorgeously prepared land for intensive vegetable farming, without the need for any human labor. That works out to about 80 pigs an acre to get the equivalent of double dug beds. Let me have every wild hog in Texas, and I have the free labor to prepare 30 square miles of fertilized farmland - almost 19,000 acres - for planting. Some fencing and water is cheaper than equipment, gas and salaries. Essentially, if I win the lottery, I'll be happy to turn all of the wild hogs you've got into slaves to till my soil. And while I'm at it, I'll infest oak trees with the spores of truffles and scatter the seedlings everywhere. Forests of oaks infected with the fungus will end up meaning forests of truffles...at $1000 a kg, over time, and some of my labor force can snuffle them up. Obviously a key thing to do with a lottery win is an exhaustive nutritional and utility study of every native plant. Look, lambsquarters is a weed. We rip it up, we poison it, we drive it out. But all it is is wild American spinach. It's as nutritious as spinach, and it's a lot hardier than spinach, and it grows without labor. Dogs can pull carts. They can also get excercise buy pulling things in a circle. Anything that can be pulled in a circle can be attached to a water pump to bring up water or a generator to make electricity. Animals die, and when they do, they are meat for other animals. Essentially, I need the economic liberty to do these things, because nobody will ever co-invest. They would all be profitable in the end, but it would take decades, maybe even a century, to get them in place. That requires humans with long vision and lots of free time. The humans I would seek out would be the outcasts, the wretched, the prisoners, the drug addicts, the sex offenders. Any of them who wanted to be part of something meaningful and have a position of economic security and respect would have a role in providing the brains and leadership behind various animals doing various things. Drug lab guys would make expert nutrition lab analyzers. It is known that working with animals makes violent people tamer, and makes a bond between man and animal. That has been used for prisoner rehab, but it doesn't last. But I can create a structure that will last a lifetime, produce what we need for food and clothing and shelter, and take the blade away from the animals' necks too - a bucolic symbiosis quite unlike conventional agriculture. The lottery win is needed, and the interest stream from the tax-free bonds into which it is invested, to make the ongoing investment, year after year after year, into something that will not produce any profit for a very long time, but which, if incubated long enough, can. The broken humans, and the "useless" animals, can be intertwined in ways that pattern French Intensive vegetable farming. Do it, build it, show how, and it would certainly be emulated, and it would get the financial support to remain a self-licking ice cream cone. If it grows, it's edible in some fashion. If it trots, it can do work until it dies, and then it can feed something with its flesh, and clothe somebody or make a tent for someone with its skin. But I dream strange dreams that others do not. No human would ever fund it, so God will have to if he wants it done. Give me a natural phenomenon, and I will show you a way to produce something useful from it, a small economic return than can employ some otherwise broken man.
I think you aren't acquainted with feral hogs. Anyway, this talk of swine is a turnoff. Reindeer, even parasite whitetals, are fine. But wild hogs? Ewww. Just kill them all. Use machine guns, toxic poisons, run over them with tanks, whatever it takes. You're a city person or you'd know that some things really do need killing. You have a bit of a Dr. Dolittle complex. It would not survive direct contact with nature.
You would be surprised at some of the places I've lived and things I've done. There is no doubt that there is a standard way of doing things. There is no doubt that I generally find these "ways" to be wanting, and look for other ways.
That's a good thing (are you striking distance to the Gulf?) IF I were you, I'd buy a YUGE freezer and import mega-quantities of pizza and Eyetalian bread. That's what my son misses most in NC.
But...how about the sea lampreys?
Yes, Bambi and its family are a disease. I am pinging The Cure: GI. *BLAM!!...*BLAM!!...*BLAM!!!*
Vic (chased by herds of Gnus and packs of Pigmies on his exploratory Gnu-Milk Safari in Africa): "PLAN 'B': Ostrich Milk." :-/
They are rather foul-tempered creatures. I've read that emus are a little less uppity.
There's a long list of critters we simply cannot be friends with like Dr. Doolittle (or preach to as Saint Francis of Assisi was claimed to do). Wolves, badgers, coyotes, mountain lions, grizzly bears, polar bears, tigers, lions, etc. Some people may claim to tame them. Then they end up mauled like Roy (of Siegfried & Roy fame). For some reason, German and Brit animal trainers have to learn these lessons the hard way: they're never really tame and their disposition toward human beings can change in a heartbeat. And that, as Marlin Perkins would tell us, is the Wild Kingdom at work (even as he sent poor Jim far downrange unarmed to scout the local lions). When we have some experience and husbandry savvy with domesticated species, it is easy to convince ourselves that any animal can be tamed to be gentle and trustworthy. Well, it just isn't true.
Shellfish are edible, and mussels are good for you. Their shells concentrate calcium and potassium and, ground up, make enriching fertilizer. Harvesting those mussels - just stripping them off of stuff - would be a public service. And a process could be made, maybe, to extract the meats. Otherwise, just grind up the whole mass and make fertilizer or salmon feed. And finally, duck, goose, swan and seagull eggs. These waterfowl abound in a place where one is never more than 1 mile from some body of water. Michigan is a wet place. Wild birds are free range, and seagulls, at least, are not a remotely endangered species. So set up nesting and harvest some eggs. You are missing your calling... Making lemonade out of near-rotten lemons is an art. Do you have an economically feasible plan of harvesting these parasitic mussels? Too bad forward problem-solving people like you aren't usually allowed to engage their respective plan, help humanity, and be in charge of gubmint coffers. SOCIAL science + Illegal Invaders + Elites' pet projects (like CERN) are monopolizing the West's resources. Anyway, I've always had a theory that from the lowest and most disgusting life on this planet (like cockroaches) a cure for cancer will be discovered. Your "problem" is in having so much knowledge and ideas for taming the natural world that starting ONE project would take you away from a dozen others. Why not submit a number of your proposals to various authoritahs or influential people?? I think you ought to embark on and engage your favorite plan: The reindeer dairy farm.
Lampreys are eels. Their highest end use is as a French delicacy. Right now, lampricides are used to kill their eggs in the rivers, but here's an example of an invasive species that can be hunted to extinction for the purpose of eating them, and I will not shed a tear. Another species that can be squashed at will are mosquitoes. But really, if you don't want mosquitoes, you can put up bat houses and purple martin houses, and they do help a little bit - a few percentage, maybe. The REAL enemy of mosquitos is certain plants, and the most useful of those is basil. It's aromatic, and mosquitoes don't like the aroma. So, plant basil in windowboxes and around your outside table. You won't get bit as much, and you can always grab a handful and make your food tastier.
Lol... Ok, Emu-Milk it is.
Right now, lampricides are used to kill their eggs in the rivers, but here's an example of an invasive species that can be hunted to extinction for the purpose of eating them, and I will not shed a tear. Yes, but these species of Lampreys aren't generally THE eels used by the Italians and French, are they? I know -- they've been a voracious predator of useful fish in the Great Lakes for many a decade. THEY must be controlled if not exterminated. They are of no beneficial value as far as I know. Another species that can be squashed at will are mosquitoes. But really, if you don't want mosquitoes, you can put up bat houses and purple martin houses, and they do help a little bit - a few percentage, maybe. The REAL enemy of mosquitos is certain plants, and the most useful of those is basil. It's aromatic, and mosquitoes don't like the aroma. So, plant basil in windowboxes and around your outside table. You won't get bit as much, and you can always grab a handful and make your food tastier. Yes, Skeeters are on everyone's list. Good info on Basil as a natural deterrent. Plus who doesn't love fresh cut basil on their pasta or pesto? I throw handfuls of chopped basil in my meatballs as well. Basil's aromatics are a natural anti-depressant as well.
That tiger who mauled Siegfried (or was it Roy?) was a homophobe!! Marlin Perkins would tell us, is the Wild Kingdom at work (even as he sent poor Jim far downrange unarmed to scout the local lions). One and the same Jim HERE?
*BLAM!!...*BLAM!!...*BLAM!!!* I'm not sure he'll be that interested. He mostly wants to do his shooting from a rooftop. : )
But...he still needs target practice of moving objects. Bambi will do. ;-)
The same. Co-hosted (i.e. used as bait) with Perkins until he retired then Fowler hosted for 3 years on his own. Wiki: For all of Carson's jokes, Perkins was pretty scrappy for a small elderly man.
Yes. Sea lampreys are sea lampreys. Generally, you marinate them in their own blood for two days, then you take the lampreys and put them in a sauce of bordeaux wine and shallots. They don't have bones, just cartilage, so you cut them into pieces like mini-Vienna Sausages, and eat the whole chunk.
Shooting deer from a climbing tree stand is probably like picking off antifa from a rooftop... but I always enjoyed spot and stalking deer on my feet. A certain kind of reverence is obtained.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Making lemonade out of near-rotten lemons is an art. Do you have an economically feasible plan of harvesting these parasitic mussels? Too bad forward problem-solving people like you aren't usually allowed to engage their respective plan, help humanity, and be in charge of gubmint coffers. SOCIAL science + Illegal Invaders + Elites' pet projects (like CERN) are monopolizing the West's resources. Anyway, I've always had a theory that from the lowest and most disgusting life on this planet (like cockroaches) a cure for cancer will be discovered. Your "problem" is in having so much knowledge and ideas for taming the natural world that starting ONE project would take you away from a dozen others. Why not submit a number of your proposals to various authoritahs or influential people?? I think you ought to embark on and engage your favorite plan: The reindeer dairy farm. Thanks! I read that again, that was quite nice. I think things through systemically, and have lived often enough without electrical power, and walked far enough for want of a ride, and dislike bureaucracy enough that I am relentlessly low tech, always seeking the simpler and simpler and yet simpler solution. And I've always been particularly close to animals. I did actually propose one set of ideas to public officials in the area where I live, and have been persistent about bringing it up over the years. The Connecticut coast stretches up from New York City. From Westport Connecticut to Manhattan it's 68 miles as the wolf runs, 32 miles as the crow flies, and 35 miles as the dolphin swims - which is to say, getting there by water is half the distance of getting there by the congested highways and trains. Air travel there is not practical. Water travel is. Manhattan is an island. All of New York City is on three islands and a peninsula. The Jersey side is a coast and a river. Everybody in Connecticut lives in coastal towns. There is no reason at all why high-speed hovercraft, which don't care about ice, and don't throw up a wake, could not take tens of thousands of daily commuters from the Connecticut coast to the city in half an hour. All of the coastal cities have half-abandoned port facilities. There's dockage and parking on the Connecticut side, and hovercraft can dock all the way around Manhattan. Commute times would be more than cut in half, accidents reduced, weather clogging roads and tracks would not slow the hovercraft services. This is not high tech: hovercraft covered the cross-Channel trade between Calais and England for quite awhile, in much much worse sea and weather conditions. Hovercraft are not expensive to operate. There's literally no reason that it could not be done profitably and speedily, and drive up the property values all along all of the coastal areas of CT, Long Island, New Jersey, and even the Bronx and Brooklyn and Queens. Why hasn't it been done already? Simply put: the political entanglements of docking rights, and the intersecting squabbling of three states, multiple cities, and New York Port Authority has paralyzed action on any sort of New York ferry system for years. Looking at that, I've realized that to attempt any sort of public work, no matter how needed, is a fool's errand. Life is too short to overcome political inertia. So my mind turns to the private. Some of those thoughts, playful and serious, have been written above. But to do anything private requires money and oceans of time, and I do not have sufficient funds to be independent. So I've shifted my focus to developing my offspring's talents to the greatest extent possible, and dedicated myself to purely intellectual pursuits that I can control and don't cost money. Thus, I have analyzed most of the major foods and come to understand the complexity of the human nutrition requirements, and I've learned the pictographs and crawled letter- by-letter through Genesis, and I've gone out and found veridical miracles. The investment of time in the things I've studied has given me an interesting perspective on things. The investment of love, time, money and planning into my daughter has made her exceptional at everything she focuses on. Everything else is a shambles. I've decided that the only way I can really do the grander things is to crack the food and religion code and be granted a Methuselaic lifespan by God, which would give me the time through simple work to amass enough space of freedom to be able to cultivate my garden, und so weiter. But I think that some of my greatest desires will have to wait for Paradise to be fulfilled.
Hovercraft are not expensive to operate. I recall seeing video of those. There was even a short sequence of them in some old James Bond film. Here's a Wiki link. The company Seaspeed operated these, even trying for ocean-going catamarans before they finally gave up and closed when Chunnel put them out of business on the Dover-Calais route. Of course, that route was at least twice as long as a Connecticut-Manhattan route would be. Those hovercraft could haul up to 60 cars and 418 passengers by the time they built the Mark III version. The hovercraft in the film belongs to Seaspeed, which was a joint hovercraft operation of British Rail in association with the French SNCF. Seaspeed started cross-channel services in 1968. The hovercraft Bond is traveling on is called Princess Margaret and the model (SR-N4) was the largest hovercraft in commercial operation. This form of transportation was quite new at the time of filming and that is the reason why the cool, dramatic Bond theme was used when the hovercraft leaves port. The fact that this hovercraft service is no longer available makes this scene a nice piece of history, even though the excitement of a hovercraft feels a little dated today. Still, this was the fastest way of crossing the channel and the record of 35 minutes across has yet to be battered. The hovercraft technique was invented in Britain in the 1950's. Following the opening of the Channel tunnel (1994), the hovercraft operations were discontinued in 2000. The service had become unprofitable and the hovercrafts were getting old.
But Adam and Eve speaking Indo-European? No linguist will say that. For one thing, linguistics is a real science. Real science treats Adam and Eve as a cultural legend, not an actual fact. But beyond that, if we allow Adam and Eve actual existence, in a Middle Eastern Eden, with their lines traced forward among all men (and in particular the patriarchs of the Bible) THOSE people spoke Hebrew and Akkadian, Aramaic and Canaanitin and Phonecian, and Coptic Egyptian. And those languages are entirely Hamitic and Semitic in origin, two completely different language families utterly unrelated to Indo-European, as are Sinitic (Chinese) and Altaic (Mongolian) languages. Basque is unique not only because it's a European language unrelated to the surrounding Indo-European languages, but because it is not related to ANY other language or language family on earth. That is because we are descended from angels...or Neanderthalers. Well, by your own admission you have confirmed the Basques existed at least 32,000 years before the Indo-European language came into existence and you are descended from the Neanderthals. And many (if not most) linguists say the Indo-Euro language originated in Mesopotamia (aka Eden in the Bible). And all linguists say that virtually all languages spoken in Europe and north Africa and India today EXCEPT the Basque language are derived from the proto Euro-Indo language. So I rest my case. And Hebrew is of course one of the north African languages despite your ridiculous claim. But the main reason I am responding to you today is because today I read in the news that (1) Barcelona/Catalonia seceded from Spain Friday and (2)instead of the region's economy improving as promised, 15 major companies headquartered in the region have already announced that they are moving their headquarters elsewhere, and the new nation has now been cut off from the EU and from NATO. So what do have to say now?
And Hebrew is of course one of the north African languages despite your ridiculous claim. You are being silly. Hebrew is a Semitic language. North Africa speaks Arabic, for the most part: that is also a Semitic language. Semitic languages are Afro-Asiatic, not Indo-European. Farsi (Iranian), Sanskrit and Hindi, and all of the European languages except for Magyar (Hungarian), Finnish, Sami and Basque (and the languages of recent arrivals from Africa and Asia) are Indo-European. Finnish and Hungarian are related, and are related to the Altaic (Mongolian) languages. Sami is related to the Yakut languages. Basque is unique because it's not related to anything else at all. "By your own admission..." You make that sound like an accusation, like there's some sort of superior race of people. This is the sort of nonsense that Germans believed. The "mongrel" Americans and "untermenschen" Slavs, crushed them. There isn't any basis in Scripture for a Christian to esteem one human race over another; indeed we are called to do the opposite: to all be brothers and sisters owing to our common Father in Heaven.
And the Channel is a nasty stretch of water, with oceanic currents, waves and gales. Long Island Sound at the New York end is a placid place with virtually no commercial shipping traffic. Also, the Sound hovercraft would not have to take cars, just people. It would be a waterborne commuter train - but faster, without tracks or electrical lines that needed repair.
Eden was probably located on the Jerusalem Massif, not in Iraq.
#2. To: Tooconservative (#1)
#3. To: Tooconservative (#0)
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#4. To: interpreter (#3)
Multiculturalism (which let the Muslims in who are terrorizing Europe & America) is a failed experiment, and virtually every politician who has supported it has either already been defeated, or soon will be.
#5. To: Tooconservative (#0)
#6. To: Liberator (#5)
Too little, too late. Other than mass deportation or other means of elimination, there IS no antidote for the millions of Jihadis already firmly entrenched and organized within the bowels of Europe.
#7. To: Tooconservative (#6)
You assume that all Muslim immigrants are or will stay hardcore Muzzies.
#8. To: Tooconservative (#0)
The twilight of the elites...in the European Union
#9. To: interpreter (#3)
Great Post. Multiculturalism (which let the Muslims in who are terrorizing Europe & America) is a failed experiment, and virtually every politician who has supported it has either already been defeated, or soon will be.
#10. To: buckeroo (#9)
You are FUCKIN' NUTCASE.
#11. To: interpreter (#10)
#12. To: Tooconservative (#1)
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#13. To: A K A Stone (#12)
#14. To: buckeroo (#11)
I know you "want" all this multiculturalism BS to go away ... but realize (assuming you can) that it is a pipe dream. The Europeans are socialists and they like foreign nationals invading their respective countries. Get over it and put down the pipe.
#15. To: Tooconservative (#13)
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It can't be too surprising that they don't like to be ordered around by Brussels any more than they liked being ordered around by Moscow during the Soviet era.
#16. To: interpreter, Vicomte13 (#15)
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To make a long story very short, God only wants the descendants of Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply and have dominion over all the Earth. IMHO, the Basque people should be very thankful that even exist 6000 years later, and submit to being ruled by the descendants of Adam and Eve and be exceedingly glad about it.
#17. To: interpreter (#14)
#18. To: Tooconservative (#16)
Well, we have at least one member here at LF who might take exception to your views on the Basque.
#19. To: buckeroo (#17)
You can't get anything right or in proper perspective. All your predictions suck. All your comments on current events suck; so why not change your monicker to: "I suck?"
#20. To: interpreter (#15)
You have brought up what I have found to be a very, very interesting subject -- Catalonia and the Basque people/race. Linguists tell us that virtually all of the languages spoken in Europe and Asia and north Africa are derived from a common language that originated in Mesopotamia, that is, the Garden of Eden and Adam and Eve. The only exceptions are the languages spoken by the Basques (in Catalonia), and the Turks/Turkish language, and the Uralic languages.
#21. To: Vicomte13 (#20)
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#22. To: Vicomte13 (#20)
#23. To: interpreter (#21)
#24. To: Tooconservative (#22)
BTW, you may have missed the latest reindeer news.
#25. To: Vicomte13 (#24)
Now THAT's good stuff! If I win the lottery, I'm going to do it: milk the white-tails! It's proven technology with the reindeer, so let's take it to the next step!
#26. To: Vicomte13 (#24)
Now THAT's good stuff! If I win the lottery, I'm going to do it: milk the white-tails! It's proven technology with the reindeer, so let's take it to the next step!
#27. To: Tooconservative (#26)
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I am curious: have you ever even milked a cow? Or a goat? Both are a lot more domesticated than any deer or reindeer.
#28. To: Vicomte13 (#27)
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#29. To: Tooconservative (#28)
Your prospects of finding enough reliable teat-squeezing peasants may not be as rosy as you think. Even so, I wish you luck with finding them.
#30. To: Vicomte13 (#29)
I always figured that I would have an easier time persuading the Russians to let me turn Siberia into a vast set of linked farms than persuading any American state to let me turn the wild whitetails into a semi-domesticated herd.
#31. To: Tooconservative (#30)
#32. To: Vicomte13 (#31)
#33. To: Tooconservative (#26)
have you ever even milked a cow?
#34. To: Vicomte13 (#27)
teat-squeezing and hire peasants to do that part.
#35. To: Vicomte13, TooConservative, Liberator (#29)
In the US, I would prefer to use prisoners. Handling their own animals often makes really bad men better than they were.
#36. To: Vicomte13 (#31)
#37. To: Tooconservative, Vicomte13, redleghunter (#32)
I still think it would be difficult to line up and milk reindeer with milking machines. And they still only would produce something like two quarts of milk per day. A dairy cow can produce gallons.
#38. To: redleghunter, Tooconservative, Vicomte13 (#33)
Yeah watch the closest hind leg closely.
#39. To: redleghunter (#34)
You will at least need 8 maids a milking.
#40. To: redleghunter, Vicomte13, TooConservative (#35)
In Texas some Juvenile Corrections facilities teach ranching/farming skills. That could be a ministry for you Vic. Come on down to Texas and leave behind your Yankee ways (as I did). :)
#41. To: redleghunter (#33)
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Yeah watch the closest hind leg closely.
#42. To: Liberator, redleghunter, Vicomte13 (#37)
The couple quarts + untrainable reindeer does present logistics probs if the intent is commercial liability.
#43. To: Tooconservative (#42)
I'm not saying the reindeer are untrainable, just undomesticated.
#44. To: Liberator, Vicomte13, redleghunter (#37)
The couple quarts + untrainable reindeer does present logistics probs if the intent is commercial liability.
Reindeer milk. Reindeer Mozzarella. Reindeer yogurt. Hmmm...
#45. To: Liberator, Vicomte13, redleghunter (#43)
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So...IF they can become domesticated, it is plausible they will hold still and cooperate for a quart or two per day?
Don't like those odds. And timing. As a Joisey guy, I think I'd rather roll the dice and brave the lunatics in the dairy section of Walmart. WAIT....
#46. To: redleghunter (#35)
Come on down to Texas and leave behind your Yankee ways
#47. To: Tooconservative (#32)
Siberia aside, I still think it would be difficult to line up and milk reindeer with milking machines...You would really have to have a market demand t
#48. To: Tooconservative (#44)
#49. To: Vicomte13 (#47)
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Reindeer, moose and elk are skittish. You have to do it by hand.
Market demand is easy to generate. You take the milk and you make gjetost desert cheese out of it.
And finally, you market a triple-creamy Bullwinkle's Butter, made from moose milk.
#50. To: Vicomte13 (#48)
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And once you've milked the white-tails, Bambi Brand And Hart Healthy Elk milk.
#51. To: Tooconservative, Vicomte13, redleghunter (#44)
Just for fun, do it all in remote Siberia.
#52. To: Tooconservative, Vicomte13, redleghunter (#45)
You only need to get them to walk into their milking stall and hold still for five minutes twice a day. And they do have some discomfort if they aren't milked so that works for you.
#53. To: Vicomte13, Tooconservative, releghunter (#47)
Market demand is easy to generate. You take the milk and you make gjetost desert cheese out of it. You cut it into three ounce blocks and you put it in green, red and white wrapping with a picture of Santa's face and reindeer, and you market it at Christmastime as "Santa's own" - genuine reindeer milk cheese. You sell it for $15 a cube.
#54. To: Tooconservative (#49)
("And finally, you market a triple-creamy Bullwinkle's Butter, made from moose milk.")
#55. To: All, Vicomte13, redleghunter, Liberator (#22)
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TheLibertyConservative: Reindeer Farmer Turned Congressman Hopes To Regain Lost House Seat In 2018
Bentiviolio has worked as an autoworker, reindeer rancher, automotive designer, teacher, commercial home builder, Santa Claus for hire, and amateur actor before running for political office.[6][8] He taught in private schools, public schools, and adult education institutions. 
#56. To: Liberator (#52)
I can see Whole Foods carrying Reindeer milk. Say $12 per quart (is that enough??)
#57. To: Tooconservative (#55)
I don't think he milks the reindeer or the chickens.
#58. To: Tooconservative (#55)
I have to wonder if he's brave enough to stand that close to the reindeer bucks during the rut.
#59. To: Liberator (#58)
#60. To: Tooconservative (#49)
It may take a generation or so.
#61. To: Tooconservative (#59)
who have been known to bite your sister
#62. To: Tooconservative (#55)
#63. To: Tooconservative (#50)
I think you might be more commercially viable with elk than with whitetail or reindeer.
#64. To: All (#63)
#65. To: Liberator (#40)
Btw, dunno how anybody can leave NY/NJ/CT pizza and beaches for...Texas ;-/
#66. To: redleghunter (#65)
Btw, dunno how anybody can leave NY/NJ/CT pizza and beaches for...Texas ;-/ Yes the pizza and change of seasons is well missed. But we make the most of it when we visit.
#67. To: Vicomte13 (#60)
There are those things wherever there are whitetails, and deer don't have the same production. So, to milk the deer would have meant trying to tame an immensely skittish, dangerously strong animal you can't manhandle, and that can get away, and kick the hell out of you...in other words, you get hurt a lot, and you get maybe a cup of milk out of them for your troubles. And the males will kill you during certain seasons (not that you're going to be milking the males (...not that there's anything wrong with that...)).
#68. To: Vicomte13 (#62)
So, when you look at Santa's sleigh, you note that all of the reindeer have antlers, and it's winter, which means that Dasher, Dancer, Prancer, Vixen, Comet, Cupid, Donner and Blitzen are all females. Rudolph is confused.
#69. To: Vicomte13 (#63)
But nobody's done the whitetails yet. The poor whitetails just get shot and hit by cars. But there they are, grazing milk producers that don't need pasture at all - they take care of themselves and feed themselves on your flowers.
#70. To: Tooconservative (#68)
#71. To: Tooconservative (#69)
You don't know any farmers, do you?
#72. To: Vicomte13 (#70)
Wild herds in wild Siberia where there are no people run to over a million. The wolf and bear populations are large to match.
#73. To: Tooconservative (#69)
Naturally, much of the Midwest was untreed before man settled so these were not areas where deer were native.
#74. To: Tooconservative (#72)
#75. To: Vicomte13 (#73)
like Finland, but without the glitter.
Now, here's the thing: a German fellow has developed a means to hand milk the eggs out of sturgeon females, such that the females are not killed and continue to grow. This or similar techniques are already used at a Latvian sturgeon farm and a South Korean one, which produce no-kill caviar thereby.
Thanks to the St. Lawrence Seaway, the Great Lakes have become infested with zebra mussels.
#76. To: Vicomte13 (#74)
But first we gotta try milking pigs.
#77. To: Tooconservative (#75)
Now that is interesting, providing you can avoid disease. You know the challenges for fish farms.
#78. To: Tooconservative (#76)
Other than some bacon and the occasional pork chop, I tend to agree with the opinions of the Jews about swine.
#79. To: Tooconservative (#75)
The ruinous demands for taxation of the South that set off the Civil War were to be used to fund such projects.
#80. To: Tooconservative (#75)
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The Michigan tourism board wouldn't care for that description. : )
#81. To: Vicomte13 (#79)
#82. To: Vicomte13 (#80)
The Michigan Tourist Board actually ran a campaign about 20 years ago called "Say Nice Things About Detroit". Sounded to me more like a desperate plea than a call for tourism.
#83. To: Tooconservative (#81)
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#84. To: Vicomte13 (#83)
#85. To: Tooconservative (#82)
If you want to make some big money, try to find an inexpensive way to wipe out the feral hogs
#86. To: Vicomte13 (#85)
#87. To: Tooconservative (#86)
You're a city person or you'd know that some things really do need killing. You have a bit of a Dr. Dolittle complex. It would not survive direct contact with nature.
#88. To: redleghunter (#65)
Yes the pizza and change of seasons is well missed. But we make the most of it when we visit.
#89. To: Vicomte13 (#66)
The best beaches of all are those of northern Lake Michigan. Bright clean sand, blue clear lakes, no salt, no jellyfish, no sharks, no pollution...
#90. To: Tooconservative, GrandIsland (#69)
The whitetail is an evil parasite.
#91. To: Tooconservative, Vicomte13, redleghunter (#72)
Hey, if milking the reindeer and whitetails doesn't work out, you could try the gnus! : )
#92. To: Liberator (#91)
"PLAN 'B': Ostrich Milk."
#93. To: Liberator (#90)
*BLAM!!...*BLAM!!...*BLAM!!!*
#94. To: Vicomte13 (#73)
The third thing I have in mind is zebra mussel harvesting. Thanks to the St. Lawrence Seaway, the Great Lakes have become infested with zebra mussels. These shellfish are not noxious, but they do cover everything...including the insides of municipal water pipes, causing issues.
#95. To: Liberator (#89)
But...how about the sea lampreys?
#96. To: Tooconservative (#92)
I've read that emus are a little less uppity.
#97. To: Vicomte13 (#95)
Lampreys are eels. Their highest end use is as a French delicacy.
#98. To: Tooconservative, Deckard (#93)
Some people may claim to tame them. Then they end up mauled like Roy (of Siegfried & Roy fame).
#99. To: Liberator, GrandIsland (#90)
I am pinging The Cure: GI.
#100. To: Tooconservative, GrandIsland (#99)
He mostly wants to do his shooting from a rooftop. : )
#101. To: Liberator (#98)
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Johnny Carson used to have comedy bits about Marlon sending Jim Fowler into the jaws of death. Starring: Marlin Perkins (1963-1985), Jim Fowler, (co-host 1963-1985, host 1985-1988), Stan Brock, Stephanie Arne (2013-present)
#102. To: Liberator (#97)
Yes, but these species of Lampreys aren't generally THE eels used by the Italians and French, are they?
#103. To: Liberator, Tooconservative (#100)
#104. To: Liberator (#94)
You are missing your calling...
#105. To: Vicomte13, Liberator (#104)
This is not high tech: hovercraft covered the cross-Channel trade between Calais and England for quite awhile, in much much worse sea and weather conditions.
Bond is embarking from the ferry terminal in Dover, with Calais in France as the likely destination. Since the hovercraft service was not available to Holland, Bond would have had to drive up to Amsterdam from northern France. It is probably meant for the audience to believe that the hovercraft went straight to Amsterdam, but consequently that route was not available. The hovercraft would either go to Calais or Boulogne-sur-mer.
#106. To: Vicomte13 (#23)
Of course Basque isn't Indo -European. The Basques settled Iberia and Acquitania 40,000 years ago, painted the caves and bred with Neanderthals. Photo-Indoeuropeans didn't exist yet. The Steppes from which they eventually came 32000 years later were still covered with ice. So was Michigan, for that matter. There were no Great Lakes yet, and England and France were still a continuous, flat continent (with no people in them). The Basques have been in place for a long, long, LONG time - preparing Indo-European by tens of millennia.
#107. To: interpreter (#106)
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And all linguists say that virtually all languages spoken in Europe and north Africa and India today EXCEPT the Basque language are derived from the proto Euro-Indo language. So I rest my case.
#108. To: Tooconservative (#105)
#109. To: interpreter (#106)
Mesopotamia (aka Eden in the Bible
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